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Old December 17th, 2009 #86
Hunter Wallace
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Well allow me to introduce myself then (though I resent being lumped in with Phelps, as I am not religious).
You share the same point of view. I don't see why you resent the association. Phelps is out there in the streets fomenting hate against homosexuals. Perhaps you should build bridges to that wing of Christianity. Good luck trying to find sympathy for your perspective in the atheist community. You won't find it.

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Let me repeat myself: anyone who thinks that gay marriage is OK is not going to be responsive to anything you have to say about race or the jews. Period. There aren't as many Robert Lindsays out there as you think there are. Robert Lindsay is a freak, a teenager in his 50s; why does it even matter what guys like him think?
That hasn't been my experience. Many of these people pride themselves on their tolerance and openmindedness. I have found that some of them are willing to give me a hearing.

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What does it matter what you get labeled as by your opponents?
It matters a great deal. We are trying to reach out to these people and get them interested in racialism. Why attach racialism to albatross like hatred of gay people?

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In case you hadn't noticed, we already get called all sorts of names, some of which carry a far heavier penalty than "homophobe." I don't care what I get called because I'm not trying to reach the people who would pay attention to such labels.
We're trying to reach a demographic that thinks of itself as enlightened and sophisticated. Their position on homosexuality is considered a huge status marker.

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Linder's right -- you're too preoccupied with respectability. You don't control what is "respectable"; your enemies do. Try to be respectable and you're allowing yourself to be controlled by your enemies.
I haven't sacrificed our core beliefs while chasing after respectablity. As for my attitude on homosexuals, it is not a strategic gambit on my part. I honestly don't have a problem with them. I'm content to let them live their lives provided they don't throw their sexuality in my face.

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50 years ago, buggery most certainly was not considered respectable in all but the fringes of society. What has changed since then? Think about that. Who determines what is respectable?
Americans became more tolerant.

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I happen to be a good example of the demographic you claim to be trying to reach: I have a college education. My IQ is higher than the norm. I come from a nominally middle- to upper-middle class family. My family is extremely liberal, particularly on my mother's side. My mother, an artsy bohemian euroliberal type, had many homosexual friends while I was growing up. So it's just a bit amusing that you're coming at me with this strawman argument (a favorite of the queers themselves) that I must be some backwards Bible-thumping hick because I don't approve of their obnoxious, underhanded, socially-destructive political movement.
The vast majority of people who share your attitude fit that description in some ways.

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To put it bluntly, everything that I see the so-called "gay rights" movement do is consistent with trying to increase the sexual access of queer men to underage boys. And I mean that literally. Any parent who doesn't care about that is downright negligent.
Well, I don't believe in "rights" of any sort, gay or otherwise.

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If the people you're trying to reach are truly intelligent, then honesty is your best course. Crude propaganda is for the morons.
I am being honest with you.
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