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Old December 13th, 2009 #3
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Hunter Wallace responds to Linder's interview:


Interview: Alex Linder III

Dec 13th, 2009 by Hunter Wallace

Jim Giles has a two hour long interview with Alex Linder. Yesterday evening, I listened to the whole thing and have been mulling over writing a response. The first hour is given over to discussing the Bill White legal saga. The second is concerned mostly with the subject of White leadership. I found this latter segment to be of particular interest.

I like Alex Linder. In this struggle, I consider him an ally. We agree on fundamentals: raising the Jewish Question, a White ethnostate, the futility of conservatism. I’m willing to grant that Linder has an important role to play in the pro-White movement. Aside from Kevin MacDonald, I can’t think of anyone who has done more to raise awareness of the Jewish Question over the past ten years. He has created an institutional discursive space on the internet that has put out a consistent anti-Semitic product over a considerable period of time.

That said, I found myself disagreeing with Linder on a number of points made in the second half of the broadcast. This will be a critical review.

1.) Linder repeated his malicious attack on Greg Johnson. He reminded his listeners that he took pride in contributing to the death of Sam Francis. Linder danced on his grave. He revisited ridiculing Francis for his appearance. This is consistent with his ad hominem attacks on Jared Taylor as a “polished turd” and tool of the Jews. In Linder’s mind, this relates back to making a conscious choice to be either a radical or respectable.

I don’t see what trash talk of this sort accomplishes. It is not radical; It is dishonorable, adolescent, and counterproductive. In the eyes of his audience, it actually militates against the substantial point that Linder is trying to make. As a strategem, it recalls to mind the time Linder posted interracial pornography on the VNN frontpage. It completely backfired.

Abandoning any pretense of Jewish respectability, that is, speaking openly and honestly about race and the Jewish Question, mocking PC and multiculturalism; that should not be confused with disavowing White respectability per se, which is acting in an honorable fashion, conducting yourself as a gentleman.

2.) Linder attacked the whole stable of TOQ/TOO writers. His position is essentially this: MacDonald is taking us down the same misguided Sam Francis faileocon path; we don’t want to lead; we don’t want to get out in the street in engage in activism; we’re merely kibbitzing with our essays; we already have plenty of this material; these “dinner parties” accomplish nothing; we’re not infiltrating the elite; we’re academics who over-intellectualize what is simple; we want to be safe and respectable; we engage in fundraising and divert scarce capital from more worthy causes. That’s a fairly accurate summary.

My response:

- Linder is being mendacious. He knows the Sam Francis criticism is unfair. TOQ and TOO openly address the Jewish Question. He knows we endorse a White ethnostate. He knows very well that Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, Ted Sallis and others reject conservatism. He has said so himself. There is no substance to this charge. It is just more radical-than-thou posturing.

- Linder has a weakness for race-blind libertarianism. In fact, rhetorical attacks on “conservatism” aside, in substance he is a rightwing conservative/libertarian on most issues, especially economics and the relative size of government.

- Different people have varying talents. The intellectuals who write for TOQ/TOO (who are mostly academics) tend to be highly educated introverts. They don’t have the personality type that would make them effective political organizers. This is not cowardice on their part. It is realism. They are making use of their strengths to contribute in their own way, which is all that can be asked, and far more than what most are doing.

- White Americans don’t have the requisite racial consciousness that would allow street level activism to succeed. The U.S. in 2009 isn’t Weimar Germany in 1931. A White ADL is a good idea, but a premature one. We have to change the culture first. That is mostly a war of ideas. Jews were fighting this war of ideas in the 1920’s (Boas & Co.) and the 1930’s (ex. Partisan Review) before they began influence public policy (1940’s and 1950’s). Aside from the TOQ/TOO community, can you point to anyone else on our side who is doing this, and by that I mean in a presentable way?

- We’re pushing at the margins of respectable discourse. These essays contain memes which can take on a life of their own. Memes that originate in the White Nationalist community have found their way (via discourse poisoning) into the national political conversation before. The discursive milieu that an individual is immersed has a strong influence on his/her identity.

For example, Americans who attend church on a regular basis tend to have attitudes and opinions that atheists/agnostics do not. Linder himself has stressed the importance of Jewish control of the media in socializing Whites into anti-racist mores. The WN media operates in the same way.

- We don’t have enough of this material. Occidental Dissent is one of the few blogs on the internet that publishes material about White Nationalism on a daily basis. We have a handful of people doing radio. Aside from Craig Bodeker, no one exploiting film. Aside from the skinhead and folk metal scene, no one doing music. White Nationalism has one huge forum, a regular newsletter, and a handful of other sites. That’s it. Our limited reach reflects the limits of the WN media.

- White Nationalism is almost exclusively a cyberspace phenomena. Internet relationships are fragile and tend to correlate with social withdrawl. We need more real life meetups, not less. These “dinner parties” are a good thing.

- The conspiracy we are engaged in has been reasonably effective, but Linder is not in a position to be privy to that information and consequently to judge its results.

- As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era.

- Kevin MacDonald has experienced considerable harassment and social ostracism. The Whites who write for TOO/TOQ are also subject to ritual shaming, but most of them are clever enough to avoid it by using pseudonyms.

- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.

I would like to end on a positive note. Linder has influenced my thinking on the Jewish Question. His constant hammering away at the issue stuck in mind. Jewish influence is a major problem in our society. I don’t think we should shy away from the Jewish role. That was the essence of Linder’s criticism. To this laudatory end, I have started a new website that focuses exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...ex-linder-iii/