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Old December 17th, 2009 #75
Hunter Wallace
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Originally Posted by Alex Linder View Post
That's what those who can't point to any real influence always say. Sam Francis made the same empty claim for years. It's just a pose to impress supporters.
If I really wanted to, I could spill the beans. You don't know a fraction of what goes on offline. We do have people engaged in real world activism. In contrast, you talk about doing it. Greg Johnson is working with people right now who have been real world activists for quite some time. I have them on speed dial.

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Paleocon Francis didn't influence the power elite, the power elite kicked his ass. Causing him to break down blubbering about how we WN outsiders didn't support him but jews did! My term faileocon has already, in its short life, had more real influence on politics than SF's entire career.
In the 1990's, Sam Francis had Pat Buchanan's ear. In 1992 and 1996, Buchanan was a serious contender for the Republican nomination. Buchanan still commanded a huge base within the GOP at the time. Francis remained an influential figure within the conservative movement until his death. His influence continued to extend far into the political mainstream. While he lost his job at The Washingon Times, other conservative media outlets continued to publish him.

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KM has value when he's digging up quotations from jews. Less value when he's analyzing jewish strategy. And no value when he moves into activism down the same path as every other right-winger since WWII.
1.) MacDonald and others have observed that Jews have a certain harmony amongst themselves. They don't wail into each other like we see here.

2.) What is your strategy?

- Marginalize yourself within the movement. Check.
- Make yourself radioactive by advocating genocide. Check.
- Abandon what you are actually good at (writing). Check.
- Create as much division within the movement as possible. Check.

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Kevin MacDonald is a conservative. I wonder how long it will take you to grasp this. You seem to think that placing money and status ahead of racial politics = effective radicalism, but I suggest it is just more of the same old failed conservatism. It may raise money from donors, as conservative Vdare has done, but it won't produce the change we seek.
You would have us abandon civility, decency, propriety, manners, and morality. With this grand strategy of yours, who do you expect to reach? Honestly, who is going to listen to someone who advocates murdering little girls because they are Jewish? No one but kooks, sociopaths, and mental defectives.

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The premise of your lengthy responses on earlier posts in this thread, which I just read and will respond to later, is that there's a way to work the situation. It is clear you believe this Overton process will somehow get our ideas into the mainstream.
Yes, I do.

When you advocate genocide, I think you make Kevin MacDonald look more reasonable. Your position is unthinkable. By comparison, MacDonald merely sounds radical.

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It's dim to me how this is to be achieved, though - in practice, if not in theory.
Simple. We create discursive spaces that stretch from the margins to the mainstream. These are conduits that enable sympathizers to find White Nationalism. We have sympathizers in key positions along this ladder who draw attention to a more radical position.

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The fundamental problem here, which you don't seem to realize, nor does MacDonald, is that you don't have anybody sympathetic to you who owns anything substantial.
This is false. I know this for a fact.

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Where has the exact same approach gotten Jared Taylor in ten years? I went over there for the first time in a long time to read the responses to your article he printed. It appears to me that AmRen has already reached the point of diminishing returns. Which makes sense. It's just gerbil-wheel. Whine about black crime, but never do anything about it, not even discuss the "why." And you're defending this guy while claiming you're not conservative. I don't understand that. I don't think it meets the test of simple logic.
Amren is an excellent example. Taylor has created a discursive space that is less radical than my own. He teaches people the basics of racial consciousness. That's his assignment. This is the essential precondition of getting them to care about other more radical issues. We need a chain of these spaces that are progressively more moderate and stretch into the mainstream.

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But to get back on track, I don't see how your Overton theory can work in practice because, unlike the communist parallel you draw, you and I and KM and Johnson - we don't have sympathetic relatives owning/advertising in the relevant outlets. That right there kills the idea, far as I can see.
I would attribute that to the stupidity and individualism that prevails on the Right. This is a serious obstacle, but a tractable one.

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What I can also see, and what you should be able to see, is that Kevin MacDonald actually cares, deeply, about his cavalier treatment at the hands of John Derbyshire, a race-mixing conservative alien who admits he's scared shitless of the jews who sign his paychecks. He has actually written that, and practically in those very same words. Derbyshire may be scared of jews, but he's not scared in the least of shitting on MacDonald. No repercussions there. Yet MacDonald is concerned about how to curry favor with this Chinese-marrying, miscegenating cunt, per the quotation provided by Parker.
Derbyshire gave publicity to MacDonald's work. That is far more important than his review. It created a path from conservatism to White Nationalism that sympathizers can travel down.

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I will repeat this so the full measure of it sinks in. A guy who claims he wants to lead the way to save the White race has in the front of his mind the importance of currying the favor of a neocon race-mixer.
Derbyshire can be useful to us.

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If this isn't conservatism, what the hell is it?
What is your strategy? How do you plan to get publicity for VNN? In my review, I mentioned a whole host of names, including your own. I got the name "Alex Linder" and "Goyfire" and "VNN" all mentioned ... at Amren. That puts you a Google click away from getting discovered by Amren readers. I created a path from Amren to VNN.

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How is KM ever going to influence Derbyshire? Buying him? KM hasn't the pockets. Persuading him? What? That his jew bosses are a genocidal thread to his half-chink children?
Derbyshire has drawn attention to HBD and MacDonald's work within the mainstream. Would you prefer he had not?

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For your Overton window theory to work in practice, you're going to have to move up the food chain through neocon publications all the way along. Why are they going to promote your ideas when they are owned by and staffed by only two kinds of people: jews and those afraid of them.
They don't have to promote our ideas. If they attack us, they give us free publicity. The biggest obstacle in our way is the "dynamic silence" policy that the MSM uses to keep us isolated on the fringe.

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It just doesn't make any sense. The commies could do it because their relatives owned all the media. And owned the retail companies that advertised in the media. They had a natural network in place. Do you really think you're going to turn gentiles like Derbyshire to boost and borrow your memes, when they've already bought in to the extent of marrying outside the race, and in any case their paycheck depends on supporting the anti-White status quo?
Derbyshire and Buchanan spread out memes inside the conservative mainstream all the time. Sailer has a huge following in the mainstream. Don't think that so called "respectable conservatives" aren't reading our material.

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I appreciate your first-rodeo enthusiasm, your energy, but I don't see that KM's deal is anything other than the same old Sam Francis paleocon cowpath. I'm sure it will raise some donor money, and produce some good essays, but I sure don't see any political change coming from it.
Speaking of donor money, and your lack of concern for it, maybe you can explain to everyone what happened to Dietrich.
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