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Old February 27th, 2014 #11
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Of course, one needs a vehicle to start. But after that, you need complete control of details through the entire process. Everything thought out. WN remains mired, with one foot in the yee-ha-ism of the Old South, and the other foot stuck tight in the scared-shitless pile of money-mulcting conservatism.
Jews are organised crime syndicates. These get taken down by specialists.

The Jews shabbos goy frontmen running the US politically and its corporations since WW 2 have been WW 2 and Vietnam vets, who have to justify WW 2 and Vietnam, Serbia etc by opposing nationalism, but their days in power are almost over as they are at retirement age.
Also, the USSR and Eastern Europe, as well as their many client states, had immense resources to pour into the US and Western Europe to back up the Jews, that's gone.

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Even assuming you can get 501 status for a racial foundation - Pierce could not.

The point is, WN needs money and proper technical support, just as a successful football team does. Although this is not its most important need, as I have always maintained. The money follows the bravery or success.
It needs local meeting places. I've been involved in mainstream politics for many years, groups meet at tea and coffee shops and restaurants most of the time, not at rallies or events.

It also needs resources. My point is don't try to create foundations identifiable for such purposes.

Call them foundations for sports development, health, civil rights, better governance, anti-abortion, better city services, workers rights, create many, with single purposes, that don't ripple the surface, and that the public will buy into, and use them for such purposes, which benefit Whites.
The inner agenda is that they provide offices, furniture, computers, and resources and salaries etc. that can then or later be used for other purposes as well.
That's what most NGO's do, and how political parties run locally, people use their work and NGO and own resources most of the time.
The 80/20 rule always applies.

The 80 percent that accomplishes 20 percent of the real goal is what the public sees
The 20 percent that accomplishes 80 percent of the real goal, is unseen.
Many NGO's and parties and governments fail because their members are incompetent, and incompetence and inexperience in running groups and activities is a major reason WN fails as well.

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We struggle to reach the masses because we don't control the mass media, and can't even buy space in them most times.
The masses are irrelevant. They are sheep.
Start simple, like Pierce did, with a monthly/weekly article, then develop that later into videos as is being done with Pierces work on Youtube.
The former National Alliance members have had no leadership or direction. They are all there, waiting and wishing someone would take the lead.
You can provide that.

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The key is to focus on what-who is preventing our kind from organizing and getting what it wants. . Pretending it doesn't exist, as many so-called WN do, doesn't make that power go away or reduce the need to confront it head on.
All the world's best armies focus on flanking or rear attacks, on covert operations at first. When others see the enemy is weak,k they also close in and begin attacking. The US military 10 years ago was without compare. Today it can't handle shepherds. The police are afraid, look how many they call in for the smallest matters. Look at how many there are, but how few arrests they make relative to numbers, close to a million police and other agencies, but only 12 million arrests a year between them. That's an average of 12 per year per member. yet the justice system can't manage with that performance level

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You're just another guy claiming the failure is mechanical when it's not. It's systemic. The system created in the 60s exists to suppress white identity so that jews and blacks can feed off white money and other assets.

As you know, you're employing a strawman argument, which, as you know, is a logical fallacy. What you're trying to distract attention from is the fact that other men in other countries faced a problem remarkably similar to our own - and solved it. We would be fools not to pay attention to their words. The fact their writings from nearly 100 years ago are more apposite to our predicament today than the writings of anyone on the right is hair-raisingly amazing and suggestive.

Look to the US founding fathers, and the federalist papers, who took on the greatest empire in history, broke free and then created the freest, most developed, richest and most powerful empire ever. They had committees of correspondence, we have websites, blogs, youtube etc.
A government falls when the police will not back it, as we saw across the USSR, and have just seen in Ukraine.
The military are irrelevant politically inside a country.
Its always the police and intelligence agencies who keep the government in place.
Armies can put their own into power, but can only keep them there by becoming the police.
The intelligence capabilities and kill ratios of police and their paramilitary groups dwarf those of the military.

Look to the founders of the state you live in.
Who even knows the names of the founders of the various states?
The US states are each countries, held together in an empire.

Power starts with paradigms and perceptions.

When the paradigm that the US is a single country is broken, and people realise they already live in dozens of countries held inside an empire, and that they don't need to bear the cost of the failed countries in the US, then things will change.
When the WN movement begins to refer to and think of the states as countries, that paradigm will begin to take hold.
Maybe we should start the trend here.

Countries I've lived in have withstood military style attacks for decades unharmed, but fallen within months or a couple years when the attacks turned to focus on their economy.
The USSR fell as Russia ran out of money to maintain internal control, and its member states realised that by just not paying their contributions to Russia, they could bring it all down, and keep their money for themselves.
The federales are the same.
As more US countries collapse due to non-Whites and Jews, the federales have to take more and more money from solvent countries to give to them. As solvent countries see themselves going bankrupt to finance failed countries like California , they will resent it. People only rise when they are hungry and have no money, then like cattle they mill around making noise and breaking things till someone leads them, then they all stampede together over all obstacles.

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Those men you Little English bigots hate were on to something.
They were often right, but that didn't stop them being killed. They were romantics, and fought fair, a fatal error when fighting professional killers.

The English have not ruled England for over a 1000 years.
First conquered and ruled by Viking descended Normans since 1066, then ruled by Dutch and German kings, Queen Elizabeth is a descendant of William the Conqueror, to this day.
For over a 1000 years, the English have been virtual slaves, robbed by kings and aristocracies, forced into their mines and factories, massacred when trying to break free, transported to Australia and other colonies as slaves in chains, pressganged into the navies, forced into the fyrd and then armies under pain of death. Most European violence is pent up frustration from the sheer misery of life in Europe under its rulers. Why do you think so many left for the colonies, preferring to start life over with nothing in often barbarous lands, just to get away?

Europe's wars have been fought by European dynasties, not countries or peoples.
Europe's countries were created out of their lands, and those of their supporters in the various aristocracies, forcing together hundreds of small nations into the "countries" we see today.
The people had no say.

Both world wars against Germany were declared and fought by the German monarchs who rule Britain to this day.
Their House is centred in Germany to this day at Coburg.
http://www.sachsen-coburg-gotha.de/en/

German monarchs of Britain created and ruled the greatest Empire on earth for 300 years, and were the driving force behind founding the US colonies in the first place.

The US backed by France fought its war of Independence and of 1812 against the German King George III of Britain who could barely speak English, and who was in a global war with 5 European countries at the time.
Britain made more money from it's sugar plantations in the Caribbean than all of the US, that's why it sent such a small force, compared to the immense forces it sent to fight the other European countries.

Hitler could not grasp the British empire was the greatest German ruled Empire in history.

When Wilhelm of Prussia then Hitler confiscated those monarchs own personal lands, and attacked their cousins who ruled various European countries, then Britain's German monarchs declared war on Prussia and NS Germany.

George V who waged WW 1 and George VI who waged WW 2, s is Queen Elizabeth, are of the house of Saxe Coburg Gotha.

George V was married to Mary of Teck, neither appreciated their lands being taken by upstart Prussian kinglets, nor their cousins kingdom in Belgium being attacked.
Hitler confiscated the lands of George VI in Germany, and allied with the USSR, who had killed the Tsarina of Russia, George's first cousin.

George V, Kaiser Wilhelm 2 and Tsarina Alexandra were first cousins, and related to the kings of Denmark, Greece, Norway, Romania, Spain.
Wilhelm and Hitler appeared to think Britain's monarch's would sit back and do nothing as their lands were confiscated, and family attacked.

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Whites have been organized repeatedly in the 20th century, and all their organizations were smashed by the enemy - the jew behind the system and the state. That's the fact of the matter. That is the understanding WN must have going in, rather than pretending our cause is treated like any other group. Just look at what is going on in Greece for an example of supposedly neutral democratic machinery in operation.
The Jews peaked in the 1980's.
They had absolute power in the USSR and Eastern Europe. No longer.
The Jews could use the US military to crush any other power on earth. No longer.
Empires only last as long as they expand and can destroy their enemies, and provide plunder for their troops.
When they can't, those troops turn on them and rip them apart, their enemies pour in looking for vengeance.

Prince Phillip is actually Phillipos, prince of Greece and Denmark, born on Corfu.
His uncle was King Constantine of Greece. Phillip and his family were expelled from Greece when the King was overthrown.
Maybe he wants Greece back.
US politics is conducted with flags and bands and armies on the battlefield.
British politics is conducted with bribes, down at the Club.

There is a big difference today. Europe's monarchs and aristocracy whilst the remainder are immensely wealthy and powerful, mostly died out in WW1, the balance in and after WW 2.The USSR no longer exists, the British empire is shrunken and weak, the US is no longer a superpower except militarily, but even there it has gone bankrupt.
There are no superpowers left capable of projecting their power across the world sustainably, there is an immense gap and vaccuum in the world's power structures.
I expect the US to follow a similar route to the USSR and Eastern Europe, mostly just fall apart, with some horrific violence and mini wars in the majority non-white areas and bordering states, but mostly peaceful.
Also, with modern technology and science the various countries in the US are self sufficient in most areas in need.

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That's true. And I've written the general plan. Even without a party, we can change our culture - which is why I post all this sports strategy stuff, because changing a culture is a large necessity within WN. We need to separate and elevate our cause, and we do this not by chumming around with conservatives, as MacDonald and James Edwards do, but by attacking them. Our cause must be a jealous cause. As the wise Patrick Buchanan said, rising movement are intolerant. WN are generally too liberal and squishy for anyone to take seriously. Who likes who is a matter for 12-year-old girls, not grown men, but I despair of making white nationalists understand this.
As the Swedes say, many little streams make a river.
Streams are created out of little raindrops, post by post, action by action
In Ukraine, we've just seen the police turn their backs on the government, and just by their going home, as in the USSR, the government of the day fled.

The key is to build an opposition a broad front, as many different groups as possible, and then a small core, a culture stratum or thin layer as Yockey spoke of.

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As very often, you're missing the point. The state backed EDL - the media supported it. Purely because it was pushing a pro-jew line. That you don't acknowledge that throws your motives into question.
Maybe you missed this part
Whilst the leadership of the EDL in the UK were fakes,
The leaders have now destroyed the EDL

What I've said about the EDL since 2010 on the UK forum, which applies just as well to other groups.

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http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=611

What we have here is a false flag operation, run by highly intelligent, experienced and trained people with a military or police background, to control the opposition, and designed to smoke out extremists, or if they can't find any, create them, so as to discredit the movement.
The structure of natural organisations formed from the ground up is centred around family and friends who make natural cells, and don't take instructions. This type of structure is very hard to roll up or infiltrate.

The way this organisation has been structured is clearly done using a formally planed structure with neat little boxes that can be rolled up in hours if need be.

They will no doubt have legislation in place they want to put through, and will use this organisation to build up public support of that legislation, then stage a few hollywood style extremist events, and then put that legislation through.

All political power is derived from the ability to put through or influence legislation, policies and budgets.
Any group or activity that wants political change but is not focused upon achieving political power is either run by people who don't know what they are doing, or else who know very well what they are doing, and are deliberately trying to neutralise the group/activity and prevent them gaining any political power.

http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=700

Jews own the government, control the budget, and set policy for Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Commonwealth, and most EU policies.

British legislation and taxation is set by Jews sitting in Brussels, who bring in several thousand immigrants a day, and you protest against Muslim general dealers.

How many English get killed robbed and raped by Blacks?
What is the EDL's approach to Blacks?
To love them.

Is the EDL stated to be a Christian, pro Church of England/Anglican organisation, since that is England's national religion?

Or is the EDL a non-religious, anti-racist, curiously not anti communist, secular EDL defending Israel?

You are being conned.

EDL accomplishments to date consist of marching up and down, dancing, and waving cloths.


Marches mean nothing. Any soccer club can put out as many or more.

How can such a slick, smooth, well financed operation appear overnight, with more branches and supporters than most political parties, yet mysteriously have no political power, and make no political changes?
Pro Israel, anti racist, pro gay rights, filled with homosexuals, blacks, Arabs, slick uniforms, badges, and marketing, and smiling Jews everywhere, helping.

How many MPs do you have?
How many councillors?
How many EU parliamentary groups do you belong to?
How many nationalist organisations with actual real political power across Europe are you in alliance with?
What are you doing about regaining Britains sovereignty?

Building planning regulations, bylaws, panels, commissions, boards, control of government means everything.

What percentage of your time is spent on policies, regulations, and bylaws, which matter?
What shadow positions in local and national government are you busy with?

You are being diverted from political power, which lies in controlling parties, taxbases, the civil service, laws, bylaws, courts, police, into meaningless activities.

Put down your beers and stupid cloths, go and study finance, law, town and urban planning and government administration, become political party and constituency chairs, councillors and MPs, and gain control of government, like adults



Yep.

An organised, planned, controlled march of 10 000 would require an organising group of in the region of 250 to 500 people, in just that one area.
How much effort, time and money was spent on the Christian/Newsom rally, for how many people?

One can expect a cost of in the area of between 50 to 100 zogbucks per local person, depending on transport, catering, phone calls etc.

So the EDL have an organisational capacity of probably 500 people, and are spending between 100 000 to a million zogbucks, just for one march.

Also note how few community groups are involved.
Usually in any march, calls are made to every cause and group that exists, especially trade unions etc and they all troop along to get media exposure for their cause.

Community marches contain especially animal rights activists, pro and anti abortion groups, groups saving the spotted swallow, anti capitalists, anti communists, people asking for higher pensions etc, and the ones who carry the flags are usually hippy types, and in reality often lose them, tear them, break the pole etc.
There are also some who wander off route and get lost, after an hour or two, most need the toilet, and that's when the march usually ends.
Young men usually take their girlfriends along so they can go to the pub, get drunk and bang like bunnies afterwards.
Note how few women there are in the EDL marches, yet the majority of activists are usually women.

Most protestors also wear very old clothes, because they can't afford to get their nice clothes dirty for work the next day. Look at the nice clean new clothes of the EDL leaders, smart, clean untorn flags.

The EDL march would accomplish absolutely nothing, which is why its being held, and why the state is pretending to be so nervous.

This is the same state that happily went to war in Serbia, Afghanistan and Iraq, bombing, burning, massacring, starving, and torturing, now pretending to be afraid of cloth wavers, that it has itself organised.

Those the state builds up in the media as opponents, are never the opponents, they are the opposite.
That's why the state builds them up, so their opponents are drawn into laughable activities.

Had those same 10 000 simply joined their local conservative and labour branches, and voted each other in as branch and constituency chairs, they would have put several MPs into parliament, as well as gained control of the entire municipality, of all councillors within that municipality, of all political branches and hundreds of millions of zogbucks in budget.
They would then have been in charge of all local government services, police, bylaw enforcement etc. and made a difference.

Compare that, to marching up and down the street waving cloths, then going to the pub afterwards, to get drunk.

Bearing in mind that these are supposed to be tradesmen, clerks, shop assistants etc. look at the front of the march.

Look at the plump, comfortable, healthy middle class faces, age and tip top physical condition of the protest leaders, and the spotless condition and quality of the flag. Most peaceful protestors are usually middle aged, usually half are women and children, and they bring umbrellas.

By the horizontal flag, you will see two Arabs, and two military or police types. Special branch are the political police, and usually wear scarves.
The army prefer wearing balaclavas.

Behind them are two with military and one with a police haircut, and about every five to 10 people, is another police or military haircut.
One is even wearing his nice new army jersey.
Observe the one to the right at the back of the crowd, talking into his sleeve mike.

Behind them holding an English flag is another Middle Easterner.

The other in the team at the front, who will throw the bottles, carefully so that they miss, do no damage and roll down the street, wears gloves.

That's just in one tiny area.

Whilst they create fake mayhem, they will carefully monitor real civilians who copy them, and see that those get arrested afterwards.

The scarves are there both to hide their identities so they are not compromised for future operations elsewhere, and to protect themselves against the tear gas etc.

Their role like that of the police controlled "Black Bloc" in European demonstrations against globalism, is to create the appearance of leading the resistance, to prevent real resistance being conducted.

In actual clashes, there are usually real molotov cocktails used filled with gasoline and soapflakes, to make the flames stick to the polices clothes and boots, and create walls of flame, or if there's a shield wall, thrown up in the air so they fall vertically onto the heads of the police behind the shields, or against the polices feet, not harmlessly against the shields.

There are flares, small cans of insect repellant or aerosol paint to spray just below the polices faceguards or into the faces of police dogs, knuckledusters, spikes, and darts.
Gasoline soaked rags etc get thrown into dustbins and down kerb inlets along the route, to be ignited later.
Fires are set behind the police in abandoned buildings etc, to draw police attention and numbers away from the crowd in front.

Real clashes occur in semi industrial areas, near major transit routes, so that groups of police can be sucked out into warehouses etc and ambushed, and attackers can flee.
Marches also occur an hour or two before dark, to aid escape.

None of these have occurred in the EDL "clashes".

The first stop for any political group that really wants to clash with the police, is the local ultras and organised soccer fans, who do it for fun

This is what civil disturbances by cheeky local lads looks like, when they're having a bit of fun after a soccer match. These are classed as minor.


Top 5 Hooligans - YouTube

Look at the handfuls of police out to deal with these, compared to the massive police presence at EDL marches, yet compare the damage done at EDL marches, with that by normal everyday civilians.

Compare the clothing especially, the clear class differences, wellshaved, clean clear eyed faces and behaviour of the EDL, their neat organised rows and ranks, with how the public actually look and behave, chaotically, in clumps with large gaps between them, in a minor disturbance

The army and police send their raw recruits out, accompanied by many who volunteer for the overtime,and have a marvelous time gassing, clubbing and kicking civilians, riding horses around, and having great fun racing around in their vehicles blaring sirens.

The more considerate cops snatch a couple out the crowd, take them to the station and into the cells, so those cops at the station don't miss out on the fun, who in turn spend many happy hours kicking and punching in the cells, showing each other their karate moves etc. and having a good laugh.

Civilians dance and yell, light fires, everyone has a grand old punch up, and goes home contented.

Here are two clashes, classed as major.

The first is a spontaneous clash, from the days before the police began to take over all forms of resistance.

Again, look at the public's faces, earnest, unshaven, long hair, spectacles etc. when it starts, full of working class folks, tradesmen in overalls, folks in jeans etc, drunks stagger out the pubs, the public mill around, dance, wander off, guys chat up attractive women activists, vendors sell cokes and beers etc.

Then in the second recent one watch how when things begin to get serious, suddenly the police special branch arrive in snatch squad formation, dressed in black as always so the other police don't mistakenly shoot them or beat them, masked, in tip top physical condition, creating carefully orchestrated mayhem, to gain credibility as the real hard core protestors, so they can control and lead all forms of resistance.

Notice though how the men in black never speak to the police, whereas the public do the whole time, some try to reason, others taunt, and watch how special branch focus upon smashing windows etc, to attract crowd attention and establish themselves as the crowd leaders, yet note
how they never actually harm the police, whereas civilians swear at and attack the police, are unmasked, act spontaneously etc

Some of that same public will then a few minutes later go up to the police in the middle of the riot and complain they have had their bag or watch stolen or that someone has scratched their car etc and what are the police going to do about it?
Why don't they go and catch the thief who's over there somewhere, they didn't see his face, but he was wearing jeans they will add, helpfully.

If the public are involved, there is always chaos and confusion.
If not, then it's not the public involved.

Poll Tax Riots London 1990 - YouTube


London Riots 2009, Police, Riot, RBS, Protestors, Fighting - YouTube
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Last edited by Hugh; February 27th, 2014 at 05:23 PM.