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Old January 2nd, 2017 #221
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Anthony - do finocchi, particularly game-players like Witzgall, have a place in our struggle, or not? That's what I'd like you to answer.

Witzgall is also what I call a cut and paste warrior - he doesn't have much at all beyond a whole lot of cut and pasting of the work of people whose boots he isn't fit to even lick the merda off.
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #222
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Anthony - do finocchi, particularly game-players like Witzgall, have a place in our struggle, or not? That's what I'd like you to answer.

Witzgall is also what I call a cut and paste warrior - he doesn't have much at all beyond a whole lot of cut and pasting of the work of people whose boots he isn't fit to even lick the merda off.

I just replied to what he wrote. That having been said. I see he is not only gay but jewish. So of course he doesn't .

Thanks.
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #223
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Bravo.

I wasn't having a go at you; I just wanted to put you in the picture about Witzgall. You can make up your mind from going back over his posting history here.
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #224
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Bravo.

I wasn't having a go at you; I just wanted to put you in the picture about Witzgall. You can make up your mind from going back over his posting history here.

Has he ever explained himself? He went from jew/gay to super Aryan.
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #225
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Has he ever explained himself? He went from jew/gay to super Aryan.
Explain?
Explain Frank Collin.
Or do you not know?
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #226
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Explain?
Explain Frank Collin.
Or do you not know?

Mn made me aware of his contradictions. I never really knew who he was. As you can see he posted something about nations. I just finished typing about nations in another thread and it caught my attention.

Thanks to M.N, I see who he is.

And no I don't know.
 
Old January 2nd, 2017 #227
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Mn made me aware of his contradictions. I never really knew who he was. As you can see he posted something about nations. I just finished typing about nations in another thread and it caught my attention.

Thanks to M.N, I see who he is.

And no I don't know.
Look Frank Collin up on Metapedia.
 
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Look Frank Collin up on Metapedia.
I see now thanks.
 
Old January 3rd, 2017 #229
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...he doesn't have much at all beyond a whole lot of cut and pasting of the work of people whose boots he isn't fit to even lick the merda off.
Exactly, my man -- he simply rewords thoughts of others and then twists them to fit his own warped, totally nonsensical philosophy; his definition of what Aryanism is and isn't. Fuck him.
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Old January 8th, 2017 #230
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Witzgall is Frank Collin?

I don't like Witzgall at all, very obviously, but do you have some particular evidence of that?

That Metapedia article is not very good in many ways.
 
Old January 11th, 2017 #231
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Witzgall is Frank Collin?

I don't like Witzgall at all, very obviously, but do you have some particular evidence of that?

That Metapedia article is not very good in many ways.
No.
Not the same person.
Witzgall's "motivation" is and was just like Frank Collin's.
 
Old January 15th, 2017 #232
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I see. Cheers!
 
Old January 16th, 2017 #233
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And this is what I finally have to declare the influence of Jesus upon our life to be. Whether at its worst, as it comes from the Church, or at its best as it flows from his teaching itself, it is an alien, oriental, Jewish infection. All through the centuries it has meant our weakening, our sickening, our self-betrayal. Indeed, from the beginning it virtually implied and actually involved our gradual enslavement to values, to ideals and to means that violated our instincts. Invariably, and inevitably, if any people gives up the religion of its own creation to take up the religion of an alien people, it surrenders its independence and to a considerable extent its identity. For our people to have adopted Christianity was to yield up their life to the direction of Jews. Jesus was a Jew by adoption if not by blood. The Bible is Jewish from cover to cover. And century after century we have prostrated ourselves before the one, and by the other have undertaken to guide our own footsteps and those of our children and our grandchildren after us. Inevitably our history since the latter days of the Roman Empire might quite properly be called “the Jewification of the West.” With all too complete justice, a Jew of our own day might claim, as the Jew Marcus Eli Ravage actually has claimed, “We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars: not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. Your religion, your education, your morals, your social, governmental and legal systems, are fundamentally of our making!” He speaks of the “proved control of your whole civilization by the Jewish Gospels,” and concludes triumphantly, “No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest of you.”

For a proud people, certainly at the least one of the strongest and most gifted of which we have historic record, thus to surrender its own soul and let its life pass into leading strings to another race, is a thing of supreme ignominy. And it is a thing of supreme peril. The longer I live, the more do I find myself outside of Christianity, and, moreover, alien and hostile to Christianity. A reading of Prof. Hans F.K. Guenther’s The Religious Attitudes of the Indo-Europeans (London, 1967) reveals that we had a better religion, a religion truer to our own traditions and essential instincts, than is to be found in Christianity. And if in the end Aryan man, the supremely gifted and most masterful race known to history, should disappear from the Earth, the primary reason for it will be his having succumbed to the virus of Christianity. This has been the direst calamity in his entire history.

But I am not going to dwell on this negative aspect of the situation. On the contrary, no matter how disturbing this may be, for the present at least I intend to avoid dwelling on it. Our supreme need is for a new religion, a religion that is our own, consonant with all the best in our past, equal to all the exigencies of our present. But I am convinced that no amount of negative attack on the deficiencies of Christianity can ever of itself bring a better religion into being. And all my experience and all my thought, over a lifetime, completely and profoundly satisfy me that any real and final recovery of life, and the elevation and advance of life, can come only out of what is positive, out of some kind of gestation and birth. Let us count on the sun to put out the candle!

Yet how to come by the sun!

Our supreme need is indeed for a new religion, a new religion of our own. And certainly no amount of criticism of the old will of itself ever produce it. But it is no less certain that it is never going to appear because some man, or any number of men, stand up and cry, “Go to now, let us have a new religion!” It is not to be called forth by the magic of any incantation, however marvelous or importunate. Nor is it to be thought out in men’s heads, put together deliberately, promoted by paid secretaries, and enthusiasm for it whipped up in regional conferences, supported by tons of printed matter. Not at all. Our day is all too familiar with mechanics and antics of this kind, and with their futility. Anything consciously worked up and artfully fabricated, with a view to an end, would be artificial, and as such, totally devoid of life. Any real religion, really new, really our own, if it comes at all, will have to come gradually and organically, for a long time almost without anyone’s knowing of its existence, and taking a shape of its own, taking it silently and invisibly, mysteriously feeding on forces in the racial soul by which it has been conceived and within which it is moving toward birth.

In short, if such a religion comes—as I pray it finally may—it will have to grow—grow out of the living necessity of our people, out of their innermost mind and soul, as they are forced in mortal struggle to draw at last upon their ultimate resources, their own instincts, immemorial traditions and ideals—much as Jesus, perhaps, came out of the instincts and soul and accumulated tradition and gathering crisis of the Jewish people.

But this implies that it is not something for which we should wait, or dare wait, in the expectation that it will one day stand full-formed and among us. Rather, although for the most part unrecognized and inchoate, it is among us already, here and there and somewhat everywhere, a living, growing and moving force—long ago started, and quickened, and down through the centuries kept growing and moving by the daring efforts of one great mind of our blood after another. Even we may have a part in it—you, my reader, and I, and many another like us. More than we know, mayhap more than we dare dream, its final coming depends upon whether or not we faithfully do our part, however inconspicuously and unrecognized that part may be. For verily, everyone of us who undertakes to be, in the profoundest sense, true to himself, to recognize and to throw off alien influences, to plumb and to set free the innermost being of our race as it seeks to find expression and come to flower in him, will be making his sure contribution toward the final consummation. He will be adding his modicum of experience and of strength by which the new life will take shape and build up size and energy to do something titanic, beyond the power of the old forms to contain, so that it will at last burst forth a new comprehension of life, a new vision, a new faith, a new discipline for every side of our life, personal and social, for man and woman and child, from the top to the bottom, for the lowest and for the highest. Believe me, my friends, what I long lived for unconsciously and now knowingly give over my whole life to, even developing special eyes by which to detect each little sign of promise—that shall come. Out of the record of those men, and of those parts of their written works that prove the chief source of strength and guidance to our people through the fire and night that are ahead, we shall yet form our own Bible, our own Book of Life. Why should not the Laws of Manu or one or two of the books of Nietzsche be our Leviticus; Zoroaster or Aristotle our Moses; Homer and some of the Icelandic sagas our Exodus and Judges; Dante or Goethe’s Faust take the place of Job, and Shakespeare take that of Ecclesiastes; the Revelation of St. John give way to William Blake, the Psalms to the Songs of Kabir; and the Gospels of Jesus be supplanted by Nietzche’s Thus Spake Zarathustra, or by the record of some man or men yet to be born, whose life and teaching prove to be the most satisfying and inspiring epitome of our racial soul?

First we must become conscious that we as a people have a soul, and that it can be lost; that in fact, it is now in terrible danger of being lost forever. But if and when we do become conscious of our soul at last, and behold what it contains of strength and beauty, and stand before it in mingled reverence and pride, our great ones shall mark out the path that belongs to us, and shape the disciplinary measures necessary to ensure that our feet shall follow it. And out of this will come our own, our Aryan, Nordic Bible—what else should I call it?—that will hold up before us our own ideals and traditions, the record of our supreme achievements and triumphs, the story of our saints and heroes, the admonitions of our great wise men and guides, the vision of our own hopes and dreams and purposes pushed deep into a distant future. It will be the Book of Life not of the poor or the weak or the meek, but of the strong and masterful, who by their mastery over themselves will shape their life into something ever more beautiful, in soul and in body, until at last they deserve again that name with which they began, the proud, head-lifting name of “Aryan,” “the noble ones.” It will be their book of gratitude to Life, their book of rejoicing, their cradle-song and their battlesong, and the mirror of their soul soaring over vast abysses and with eagle eye studying far horizons. It will be the supremely Yea-saying book of a people resolved at all costs to live on the heights, and to be itself, and that will rather perish than give place to any other, or serve his will.
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Old January 17th, 2017 #234
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Anthony - do finocchi, particularly game-players like Witzgall, have a place in our struggle, or not? That's what I'd like you to answer.

Witzgall is also what I call a cut and paste warrior - he doesn't have much at all beyond a whole lot of cut and pasting of the work of people whose boots he isn't fit to even lick the merda off.
Yes, some of the material Witzgall posts are good but his motives and agenda are quite suspect especially his version of Aryanism that is not anti-Semitic and of which is just nonsense.
 
Old January 18th, 2017 #235
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Sorry Paul, but at the core of Aryanism is the Race-Soul, not anti-Semitism. A phony racialism based on anti-Semitism/anti-Otherism is doomed to failure because you'll never be able to form a team; you'll always tend to be fractious and mistrustful of each other and divided, and therefore weak.
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Old January 18th, 2017 #236
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You need more than one view point to make up a solid ideology. Anti-semitism is just anti-those who would destroy you. You're acting like it's just blind hate with no merit. If you don't agree that semites (jews) are trying to destroy the Aryan Race, then you're either really slow, or have an agenda based around sidelining the jewish problem.

Most here already recognize that you can support the Aryan Race, and also be an anti-semite. You're making this about one or the other, when it's never been about one or the other.

I'd prefer to hear about Aryanism from real Aryans, not a kike spewing from his poop-slurping chops.
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Old January 18th, 2017 #237
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I. Christian or Aryan. You can't be both.

II. Anti-Semite or Aryan. You can't be both.
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Old January 18th, 2017 #238
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Sorry Paul, but at the core of Aryanism is our race-soul, not anti-Semitism. A phony racialism based on anti-Semitism/anti-Otherism is doomed to failure because you'll never be able to form a team; you'll always tend to be fractious and mistrustful of each other and divided, and therefore weak.
Nonsense, George.
Without Semitism there would not be any defensive need for Aryans being opposed to it, with anti-Semitism.
You are just full of bs, George, and your earlier posts do prove that you are either a nut, or a usual suspect.
 
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I. Christian or Aryan. You can't be both.

II. Anti-Semite or Aryan. You can't be both.
I. True.

II. False.

Semitism is really just the antithesis of any true Aryanism.
That is just how the "racial soul" cookie crumbles, George.
 
Old January 18th, 2017 #240
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Paul, re-read quote in post #233:
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But I am convinced that no amount of negative attack on the deficiencies of Christianity can ever of itself bring a better religion into being. And all my experience and all my thought, over a lifetime, completely and profoundly satisfy me that any real and final recovery of life, and the elevation and advance of life, can come only out of what is positive, out of some kind of gestation and birth. Let us count on the sun to put out the candle!
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