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Old January 25th, 2008 #1
Alex Linder
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Default Origins of Political Correctness

Going to copy relevant part below

response to diggbnini: continuing the debate on the origins of Political Correctness
http://www.kirksvilletoday.com/?p=102

To me, this very interesting stuff. In fact, I think I'll make a subforum on P.C.



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diggbnini Said,

December 12, 2007 @ 9:38 pm · Edit

Actually, the term ‘racism’ was coined in ‘34 by a Jew, as one would expect you to expect — Magnus Hirschfeld, a pioneer in “sexology” and one of the co-founders of the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft. The roots of political correctness lie directly in European Jewry; Lenin had nothing to do with it, he was not a Jew, and this “anti-communist” line you’ve taken up lately is, I should say, unworthy of your ability as a thinker. You should stop reading post-Soviet dissident literature. They know nothing of the “Jewish metanarrative” which was being crafted in Europe well before even the nineteenth century. Read any of the old anti-Semitic literature (France and Germany), read the Jewish literature, you’ll find all the same arguments and refutations and excuses and rebuttals as today. One can find it in Luther and all the way back in Chrysostom. The duel, the apparent logical stalemate, has been more or less the same for centuries and centuries. Political correctness was not invented, it developed and was perfected — but not really by Lenin, which is mere WN euhemerism, as is the drivel about Illumanti, Rousseau and the like.

It is true that Hirschfeld’s Rassismus was first translated and published in England by two Communist Party members, Eden and Cedar Paul. That much is true. ‘True’ also, as metaphor, as description, is it that Communist social engineering in China and Russia both hinged on the “inculcation of ‘correct political orientation’ ” — but this only as a metaphor for our own sociopolitical climate. The imposition of cultural and linguistic taboos, the climate/milieu is the same, but between the two examples lies the gulf of total state control (Bolshevism-Stalinism) and the Gramscian doctrine of cultural sabotage. The point is, there is no great genetic link between political correctness in the West and the necessity of political circumspection under the Soviet regime, though some Poles, Russians, Frenchmen and American conservatives are desperately pointing out the similarity as though analogy this proves ideological descent. It would be only slightly more ridiculous to point to 1984 as the blueprint or ‘Protocols’ of political correctness. What is the basic problem here? That WNs and “anti-Red” conservative Europeans are stuck on the need for an agent in the descent of political correctness upon us. The only real agents are Jews, but as I admitted above, the transmitters were often enough Western Communists. To prove that Political Correctness (capitals here) is a bona fide, patterned red diaper baby, it would have to be shown just which western intellectuals sat down and decided to construct a system of taboos designed to have the same effect as the political climate across the Iron Curtain — a formidable project considering that the specific psychological details of the latter were, back then, not nearly as popular as they are now, and Bruno Rizzi had trouble convincing even Trotskyites that the economy of the Soviet Union was corrupt. When was The Gulag Archipelago written? 1958-68. Published over here: 1973. This would mean that Adorno, Horkheimer, Arendt, Marcuse, the vicious gaggle of Jewish feminists, and handfuls of other Jewish cultural saboteurs from Washington to Berkeley and Montreal to Buenos Aires, on the airwaves (remember all that schmaltzy girl pop? they wrote that, too) and in the papers, in the colleges and in the theatres, back in the ’20s, ’30s, ’40s, ’50s and ’60s, were doing nothing of consequence — nothing, because these Soviet dissidents and their Western preachers assure us, it was Stalin and Communism which invented “political correctness” !

I am not Russian or Slavic, and have no latter-day romantic sympathy for the Soviet Union or Communism, historically or theoretically. This is simply a matter of mistaken beliefs and bad scholarship. To the extent that you, Alex, and VNN have inched closer to the simplistic view of modern history promoted by the Europeans and their Soviet dissident gurus, to that extent have you lost the track of a hard anti-Semitic science and, more than that, credibility in historical assignations. I swear these Russians, and russomania among white nationalists, and further euromania among American white nationalists, leads to this sort of error — fashionable errors of the moment, enthusiastic errors, mistakes made in the search for easy answers and the lack or breakdown of scholarly instinct. So my appeal here is for a more conscientious analysis on your part, if for nothing else than to better your own understanding. I realize that people like easily digestible answers, scapegoats, straw-men to burn and reburn, but it grieves me to see a mind I once earnestly respected descend to that level.

http://www.schwulencity.de/magnusracism.html
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diggbnini Said,

December 12, 2007 @ 10:20 pm · Edit

Some typos:

- Illuminati (or better: Weishaupt) for “Illumanti”, which sounds like one of those fake African names
- “as though analogy this proves”, remove “this”
- in “there is no great genetic link”, I meant to say genetic operational link, which, I think, puts a finer point on it: that there is only a very broad similarity of sociopolitical climate between the Kwa and the erstwhile Soviet regime — but in no appreciable respect is it genetic, that is to say copied or carried over from the Soviet regime in any detail, which would be, again, contrary to the very chronological development of these issues; the ascription of modern leftist terminology and its use to Lenin himself, or any Bolshevik or Soviet agent, is entirely simplistic and not supported by even the most in-depth reading of Lenin’s œuvre, nor his correspondence, both of which I have studied, nor does such a notion make sense from what one knows of his career; it also, in giving out false information, muddles the point against Jews, but that is another footnote…
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diggbnini Said,

December 12, 2007 @ 10:39 pm · Edit

And a short bibliography, if you care:

Hirschfeld, Racism, 1938 ed. (I will probably transcribe this in the near future.)
Jing Lin, Social Transformation and Private Education in China, 1999
Mao, The political thought of Mao Tse-tung, 1969
Lenin, Collected Works, 1960-70
Stalin, Stalin’s Letters to Molotov, 1996
Stalin, Dimitrov and Stalin, 1934-1943: Letters from the Soviet Archives, 2000
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Steve B Said,

December 12, 2007 @ 11:17 pm · Edit

Re: Bones

Hey fella, did you get the license plate number of that Linder truck that just ran over you?
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twilight ex-pat Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 3:55 am · Edit

Dears Bones,

I have come to many of the positions being put forward by Alex only lately. While you may not like his tone, you’d be wrong to dismiss where he’s coming from. He’s a pretty logical thinker and makes a case– whether you agree with it or not, you should respect the power of his reasoning. It is consitent and backed by data– where you offer only personal anecdotes.

For the record, I am increasingly of late a separationist. I attended a well-known New England state university– no Harvard, but no CC either. I scored 1280 on my SATs (old school scoring). I graduated college cum laude. I have held a series of executive management positions working at some of the biggest global media companies. I have won a number of industry awards throughout my career. I have traveled extensively throughout Europe and Asia, haved lived in Australia and currently work in the Middle East.

One of the things I have come lately to appreciate recently is that the views of a blog like this are articulate. You’re not talking to some Central Casting character for Missisppi Burning here– Alex is pretty damn smart.

The presumption that you are more worldly and sophisticated than the folks you THINK you’re speaking to might just be misplaced.
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Hawkstone Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 11:17 am · Edit

Re: Bones

That was absolutely delicious to see this clown’s false and flawed world view utterly eviscerated. Thanks Alex!
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Will Stuteley Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 2:34 pm · Edit

As the ChanFags would say…

EPIC LOLZ!
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:13 pm · Edit

diggbnini:

I’m not sure how to respond to what you’ve said. I have always blamed the jew - for political correctness, for communism, for multiculturism, and for everything else for which the jew is directly responsible. However, as a matter of fact, the term racism was around before queer jew Hirschfeld, at least according to the . How you turn this into my exculpating the jews, or syncopating their responsibility - no way, man, no way. I blame the jews. First and more than anyone. As for your details, thanks for bringing them up. I urge all readers to make their own investigations. Essentially what you are are jews operating in a number of different contexts, but tied by mentality and hatred of goyim - ie., normal Whites of the type that founded Kirksville and your town, reader. The key, reader, the takeaway here, as they say, is that all the things you hate about our society and what our culture has become - these trace back to jews. If you hate rape, crime, communism, multiculturalism, political correctness, etc, you hate jews, whether you realize it or not.

Thanks for the comments, Diggbnini. I think you mischaracterize my position, but your elucidations, where they are factually correct, are much appreciated.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm · Edit

As for Lenin, he had one jew grandparent. Which would be enough to grant him Israeli citizenship, under their blood laws.

One of the main things to understand here, for the regular non-intellectual, is that every bad camp in the U.S. has a parallel in the old Weimar Republic and the USSR. Every failed policy here was first tested there. In fact, everywhere you go where jews obtain power, they practice the same sort of malevolence, and as the commenter says above, this goes back a lot longer than the 20th century. All the radical movements in the “West” were created by jews to undermine White Normality. The ultimate end of this radicalism is the campaign to “abolish Whites” as one jew prof has expressed it. If you want your kind to surive, White man, you have to defend it. That means naming and fighting back against the jew.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:29 pm · Edit

but in no appreciable respect is it genetic, that is to say copied or carried over from the Soviet regime in any detail, which would be, again, contrary to the very chronological development of these issues; the ascription of modern leftist terminology and its use to Lenin himself, or any Bolshevik or Soviet agent, is entirely simplistic and not supported by even the most in-depth reading of Lenin’s œuvre, nor his correspondence, both of which I have studied, nor does such a notion make sense from what one knows of his career; it also, in giving out false information, muddles the point against Jews, but that is another footnote…

I disagree, based on my reading of Frank Ellis’ “Marxism, Multiculturalism, and Free Speech” and E. Michael Jones’s work on the Enlightenment and radicalism over the last 300 years. The environment changes between the Soviet Union, Germany and the U.S. but the types and mentality are more similar than different.

Quoting Ellis: “…long before Marcuse and Derrida, and a host of other New Left and postmodernist writers were required reading on the campus, we fidn political correctness established as an ideological criterion of Marxism-Leninism. Official soviet sources clearly show that the term was in use as early as 1921 (Resheniya, 1967, 205). If one takes into account the role of Lenin as the architect of the Soviet Union, and his massive influence in shaping Soviet ideology, then a reasonable assumption is that it is to Lenin to whom we must turn in order to find the conceptual origins of political correctness and the term itself. Soviet sources support this assumption.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:32 pm · Edit

I find this via google:

According to the Oxford English Dictionary the term ‘racist’ was coined by Leon Davidovich Bronstein (Leon Trotsky). Anti-racism is a major focus of Cultural Marxism.”

I had heard it was coined by Lenin, a part-jew. Trotsky is Lev Bronstein is full jew. In either case, it is clear that the term was around well before the 1930s and queer jew Hirschfeld.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:44 pm · Edit

And a short bibliography, if you care:

Hirschfeld, Racism, 1938 ed. (I will probably transcribe this in the near future.)

Please do - and let us know, we’d love to post it.

Hirschfeld is someone very few Americans have heard of, but he’s an important figure in the history of normalizing sex perversion. He and his ilk were cashiered by Germany. Unfortunately cashiered does not mean put underground where they belong, rather flushed to the U.S. where they continued their dirty work. So when you go to TSU and see gay safe zone stickers, or you stroll through Wal-Mart and see the filthy Bratz dolls (created by Iranian JEW) tempting your daughter to sluthood, understand that you and Hitler are on the same side: you both reject the jewish culture of immortality, filthy and perversion.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:46 pm · Edit

Pardon the typos. Word press has a glitch that adds slashes if you try to edit a comment or post, so it’s easiest just to move along.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:48 pm · Edit

Twilight ex-pat -

thanks for the letter! Sounds like you’ve had a very successful career.

It is remarkable, isn’t it, how the TISSUES and prestigious-schoolers condescend, never realizing they’re spouting arrant bullshit brainwashed into them over their first 25 years. What really gets me is they’re so naive it never occurs to them that we’ve heard everything they have to say a 1,000x and have an answer for it.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 5:53 pm · Edit

You should stop reading post-Soviet dissident literature. They know nothing of the “Jewish metanarrative” which was being crafted in Europe well before even the nineteenth century. Read any of the old anti-Semitic literature (France and Germany), read the Jewish literature, you’ll find all the same arguments and refutations and excuses and rebuttals as today. One can find it in Luther and all the way back in Chrysostom.

I’m aware of this. I don’t knwo what post-Soviet dissident lit is, so I don’t think I’ve read much of it. I have not read 200 Years by Solzhenitsyn, which deals with relations between Russians and jews. I am familiar, altho not in scholarly depth, with the views of Luther and Chrysostom; both are covered in Macdonald, and of course Luther wrote directly on the kikes, advocating their extermination, essentially. Please remember: I’m not an academic, and I’m not writing for specialists. I’m writing for ordinary Whites, as for example the lower middle classes who inhabit Kirksville, and the thing they need to know is that all the things that threaten their family are caused by jews. Whether it’s the mexes let in by the no-borders kikes controlling immigration, the Bratz dolls created by jewish retailers, or illegal foreign wars started by neocons - the point is that ordinary White families are undre siege by jews.

That said, I and we welcome your scholarly eludications and corrections.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 6:02 pm · Edit

The point is, there is no great genetic link between political correctness in the West and the necessity of political circumspection under the Soviet regime, though some Poles, Russians, Frenchmen and American conservatives are desperately pointing out the similarity as though analogy this proves ideological descent.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. The bottom line to me is that if you try to speak against the System, the System will try to wipe you out, on a sliding scale from smears through employer-calls to execution. The left, which is a jewish production, does not sanction any departure from its Party Line. Be politically correct or get stomped into the ground. It will do whatever it can get away with to ensure conformity and uniformity. That’s my direct personal experience. It seems to me that while the distinctions between jews-producing-USSR, jews-producing-Weimar and jews-producing-AmerKwa are interesting, the common blood and mentality are essential. We may not know what form their evil will take, but since we know their drives and motivations, we know to look for something hostile wherever White-normal touches alien-jew.
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kville Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 6:16 pm · Edit

The point is, there is no great genetic link between political correctness in the West and the necessity of political circumspection under the Soviet regime, though some Poles, Russians, Frenchmen and American conservatives are desperately pointing out the similarity as though analogy this proves ideological descent.

There’s obviously a genetic link when the global left, which is a jewish production, uses exactly the same words and frames and arguments. It’s a coordinated, global phenomenon, at least in 2007.
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diggbnini Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 9:45 pm · Edit

However, as a matter of fact, the term racism was around before queer jew Hirschfeld

Right, that I know — it was used in France and England as far back as the 1850s. But in its infancy it floated between the eugenic and mildly pejorative in meaning. As a full political pejorative, however, it came into its own with Hirschfeld.

How you turn this into my exculpating the jews, or syncopating their responsibility - no way, man, no way. I blame the jews.

Of course, I wouldn’t say otherwise. I have simply noticed that the rhetoric has slipped a little in the wrong direction, in this case Lenin. It is much more appropriate to blame Hirschfeld, who literally wrote the book on “racism”, than Lenin, even if one could find evidence in his works that he had the same idea — which I haven’t, for what it’s worth. And again, that would involve some slippery chronology. Hirschfeld and his British communist translators fits just right into the developmental timeline, and the geography, of this concept. My point, restated, is that WN is engaged in a sort of anti-Soviet revival, prompted by certain memoirs and historical accounts of the regime which, though apt analogically, do not point to any development link between Soviet practice and Western political correctness. My opinion is this is bad for WN — much as it was in the 50’s and thereafter, simply because it takes rhetoric in a mostly fruitless direction. One can point out these grim similarities only so much, after all. If we can introduce a new factor into the history of modern decline, trace back PC to its source, and that factor is a full-blown queer German-Jew, I think it should be done at the expense of anti-Communist rhetoric.

As for Lenin, he had one jew grandparent. Which would be enough to grant him Israeli citizenship, under their blood laws.

This is rather what I mean when I say “WN euhemerism”. If you’re concerned with facts, then there should be a pause here on the matter of Lenin’s alleged Jewish grandparent. We can all frankly confess that we have no access to any direct evidence that may exist. None of us can read Russian and even if we could, we wouldn’t know where to begin in determining whether Miss Blank was a Jew or, as is equally possible, a Volga German. In the spirit of taking Russian historians at their word, one could adduce the determination of Volkogonov that this Blank was German. You may recall the long, self-indulgent anecdote in Slezkine’s The Jewish Century claiming otherwise. I would say it is irrelevant — a possible Jewish grandparent, at least in this case, does not begin to exhaust Lenin as a mind and man, though clearly it would explain the Jewish mob atmosphere of the Bolshevik Party. It doesn’t, in any case, prove anything about political correctness.

is that every bad camp in the U.S. has a parallel in the old Weimar Republic and the USSR.

Yes, naturally, but the only direct, genetic link between political correctness, or sociopolitical discourse in the West today, and those two cultures lay in Weimar, not the USSR. A parallel, an analogy, but not the exact line of descent in rhetoric and practice. There is much more to be done in just piecing together the cultural sabotage wrought by German Ashkenazi “refugees” (vide - one of many - Permanent Exiles: Essays on the Intellectual Migration from Germany to America ) than in propping up the ghost of the USSR because before the Purge and in its primary thrust it was, as Céline might say, djibouk heaven. That is to say, the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution and the Soviet state up to the Purge was not intellectually consequential — it was a political adventure, much like its failed sister revolution in Hungary. It is true that Western Jews who had supported the Soviet state and were disillusioned by the Purge laid the roots for modern neoconservatism, the other, though more explicitly political prong in the Jewish discursive fork. It is not true that this had anything to do with PC as we know it. Neither do anxious references to brainwashing and thought police in the Soviet state. The same can be said of East Germany, but this, again, had nothing to do with the poisoning of West Germany with “multicultural” programming. In sum: PC is an entirely “Western”, Jewish beast. It did not arise from, nor did it receive any noticeable impetus from, Leninism nor any other theoretician of Bolshevism. As a Jew might say, and I think Slezkine does say very well, political correctness reflects the (German-) Jewish experience in America.

Now, you quote Ellis:

“…we find political correctness established as an ideological criterion of Marxism-Leninism. Official soviet sources clearly show that the term was in use as early as 1921 (Resheniya, 1967, 205). If one takes into account the role of Lenin as the architect of the Soviet Union, and his massive influence in shaping Soviet ideology, then a reasonable assumption is that it is to Lenin to whom we must turn in order to find the conceptual origins of political correctness and the term itself.”

First, I should say that Ellis is, if you’ll pardon the expression, highly biased — he is writing from staunch ideological opposition to both Communism and PC, which may be flattering to us, but is not really helpful historically. I believe that he has taken these two phenomena - one starkly political, the other cultural - and simply latched them together, very visibly, the better to convince readers. He says “we find”, and yet I haven’t found, in my studies of Bolshevik-Stalinist-Soviet theory and planning, anything resembling what we call political correctness. The “doublespeak” of the Soviet state is very different from the euphemisms we are expected to use in the West to keep face. There was nothing like Affirmative Action, nor racial quotas. Sexual deviance was not enshrined in law and in social discourse. The family was not, as would be logical if they had followed Marxist doctrine, abolished by social engineering; in fact the birthrates in eastern Europe have fallen since the fall of the Union — since it’s come into contact with the leprous West, one might say. This is all to say that the cultural freedom enjoyed by Jews in the West, and specifically in America, as Gramsci and the Frankfurt Schulers understood very well, allowed them to worm their way into the fabric of our society and gradually eat away at it. There was plenty of precedent in many currents of American life — feminism, urbanization, racial tension, and so on. What these Ashkenazim did, then, without any need for cues from the writings of Lenin, was elaborate on all this material using the ideology they carried with them from Germany (pre-Weimar and during) — again, all the clichés about rights, liberation, equality, was already to hand, perfected in their hustling for rights in Germany. — Getting back to Ellis: he says “criterion”, and I have to ask what that means. This is why I say he has committed, or rather promoted, a false concatenation of unrelated phenomenon for the sake of propaganda. What we know as “political correctness” was not a feature of life in the early or even late Soviet Union. It was necessary to tow the party line, but that is just one aspect of “political correctness” — which did not arise from a political party, anyway. Political correctness in its essence is the establishment of certain taboos in the public mind, which becomes self-censoring and engages in “altruistic punishment” of those who fail to exhibit these tendencies: while this also describes, in a general way, the public mind in the Soviet state, the two are still widely different in detail. Yes, a citizen of the DDR might overhear a neighbor say something questionable and rat him out to the Stasi. But this is not what we experience, exactly. Before the respective threats of punishment, there is the psychological state of the two subject populations — the Soviet has been called a “culture of fear”, whereas here, in the West, people are actually very happy, with the exception of those who have realized what is going on, of course. So how is that the Soviet system inspired fear and suspicion, and the “system” (which is strictly a metaphor) here leaves most people blinking, breeding ignoramuses? why aren’t they responsive to our words? It is because, unlike in the Soviet state, they have been “chloformed by the fœtor judaicus” — educated, programmed, guided in manifold ways (school, tv, community, newspapers, books), but allowed to continue their material existence unchanged, whereas the Jewish construction of the Soviet state was not “cultural Marxism”, was hardly Marxism at all; there is a huge difference between a Jewish commissar shooting a dissident and a Jewish philosopher studying the “pathology” of all forms of traditional or conservative sentiment among whites; the two produce, in turn, completely different societies, and that is what I am trying to demonstrate. The Ashkenazim who reworked our society were psychologists, philosophers, litterateurs — the Jews who staged the Bolshevik Revolution were agitators. This is a crucial difference, and with it the whole analogy, the line drawn between Soviet censorship and PC falls. It is actually useless to keep reminding people that both were Jews, as though no morphology is permitted after one has noted that where Jews are found, there society is in trouble. Yes, obviously, but the nature of that trouble (or change, or revolution as they might say) is distinctly different and must not be confused for the illusory goal of more poignant propaganda, which is what Ellis, and the whole post-War anti-Communist line, amounts to. It is politically worthless to us, and historically incorrect. — Then Ellis mentions “Official soviet sources”, and gives a reference unknown to me. I would be willing to investigate, to the extent I am able, such sources. I like to think I have done a fair amount already on my initiative, but I would undertake more. However, the fact is that we are talking about Lenin, and if he can’t “show me the money” in books by or about Lenin qua theoretician, and then link this evidence to the actual Jews and shabbos goyim who acted on such in the United States in the development of political correctness, his vague nod to “official sources” is utterly without merit, as indeed we see from his all-too-facile joining of Lenin’s name to this “criterion” in the sentence. He couldn’t say why Lenin is responsible for this “criterion” noted by “official sources”, he can’t point to anything specific in the writings of Lenin (which he hasn’t studied), but he can simply skip from abstracting the concept of “political correctness” from its modern cultural context - which does injustice to the phenomenon itself and obscures it for us - into a Soviet device, and the non sequitur that Lenin, being the architect of the SU and one of its primary theoreticians, is therefore responsible for it. But this “it” has lost all coherence, because he has already taken the sociopolitical phenomenon we call “PC” from its cultural context and psychological definitions, and simply inserted it, as an analogical device, into a description of the Soviet system. So how is Lenin responsible for “it”? how can “it” be shown to have been a feature of the Soviet system? Typically, they quote a line or two from Was tun?, which of course has nothing at all to do with, again, the exact sociopolitical phenomenon we call “PC”, or even close. I believe the oft-quoted line is: “Without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement.” Ok, so what? was tun damit? I can’t see any great link between this piece of dogmatism and all the many, many texts of PC and modernism to which I have exposed myself. You see how ridiculous it is to isolate this one little line, and this one little piece on dogma, and hold it up as a “cause” of modern, Western political correctness. I could just as well open Mein Kampf, flip the pages, and place my finger quite at random on any number of statements which mirror and probably surpass Was tun? in dogmatic fervor. So fucking what, you know? It proves nothing. The whole point of the piece is that ideological cohesion is necessary for revolution. What has that to do with PC as a modern “doctrine”? does that mean, by extension, that any thinker or writer who has insisted on ideological cohesion is directly responsible for PC? does Lenin here seem more important, more consequential, historically and ideologically, than Hirschfeld’s book on RACISM? or Marcuse’s Eros and Civilization? or Adorno/Horkheimer’s The Authoritarian Personality? or Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism? The very titles of these books are more relevant than any single line in all forty-five volumes of Lenin’s collected works. No line in Stalin’s Fragen des Leninismus was of any consequence in the formation of political correctness by Jews in the West. The very phrases coined by Western Jews have been far more important than any quaint analogy with the USSR. From “racism” to “melting pot”, and all the other ones I can’t be bothered to think of right now, all were brainchildren of Western Jews without any prompting or model from Lenin.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary the term ‘racist’ was coined by Leon Davidovich Bronstein (Leon Trotsky)

Well, if you want to believe that, all right — but I would read Trotsky first. I’ve read all I can of that nauseating shit, autobiography, essays, letters and recollections of others, and nowhere did I find the word “racist”. I certainly have seen a few online rumors that Trotsky “coined” or “said” something about racism. Even if he did, what the hell does that prove? I am not claiming that Hirschfeld coined the term: I am asserting that only with Hirschfeld was the term set on its path to full sociopolitical importance, “reified”, as it were. For all that, I’m still not convinced Hirschfeld wasn’t literally the first to use it pejoratively — considering that the only other instance of the word I have found was in an old Calcutta newspaper from the 1850s, referring to an obscure eugenic society which used the term positively. So at this point it would be helpful, or at least telling, to ask that we bring to the table our respective proofs of usage of these terms, so we’re not just batting about some internet rumors like everyone else!

Hirschfeld is someone very few Americans have heard of, but he’s an important figure in the history of normalizing sex perversion.

I would say his example was more consequential than what he actually did, at least in America. Havelock Ellis, a disciple, and Freud were more detrimental to the Anglo-Saxon mind than Hirschfeld. But if you are willing to accept that Hirschfeld was an important figure in normalizing sex perversion, surely you can accept that he was all the more important in popularizing, if not coining, the terms racism/racist in the modern pejorative sense? It has even the Commie link, it’s perfect — and yet somehow it is more opportune to believe Trotsky or Lenin were responsible. I don’t know, I just think you guys have it backward these days. The whole anti-Communist thing is a fad that needs to go away, because it adds very little to the debate.

It seems to me that while the distinctions between jews-producing-USSR, jews-producing-Weimar and jews-producing-AmerKwa are interesting, the common blood and mentality are essential.

I agree that it is up to a point. One can only go so far, theoretically, in pointing out that Jews are basically responsible for all three societies. For the lay reader - and I note that you reminded me you’re writing for him - that is usually enough to get them to the point of realizing Jews are nefarious creatures. And I am not about to excuse Jews here for any one of these examples, but I believe it is necessary to distinguish between two that are quite closely related in form and one that is farther removed. I believe it is more fruitful for propaganda, and simply getting the record straight, to focus on the descent of political correctness from its obvious and only possible source, German Jews, rather than falsify the record (and thereby falsify political correctness itself) in trying to attach it to the Soviet system. I believe that the very fact WNs are still talking about the Soviet Union is a mere a fad, a kind of hand-me-down bone to pick, which has absolutely nothing to do with us beyond the fact that Jews were involved, and which fact is then misrepresented. It is true that a Jew killed the Tsar and his ministers, as the song goes. It is true that many of the commissars and so on were Jews. It is possible that Lenin’s one grandparent, Blank, was a Jewess, not that this really has anything to do with Lenin as a man. It is true that Communist agitators in Weimar Germany were Jews. It is not true that political correctness descends from Soviet practice: though it is true that they share some social and psychological similarities. But try to get what I’m saying here: this is very different from proving actual historical descent, which you also claim, as Ellis claims, and whomever Ellis copied claimed. I am challenging this notion that Lenin himself is “responsible” for “political correctness” as we know it. A line from his little economic-dogmatic screed does not prove anything, is my point.

There’s obviously a genetic link when the global left, which is a jewish production, uses exactly the same words and frames and arguments.

Again: I don’t see that they are using the same words, frames and arguments — as those of Lenin, Trotsky, et al. I have tried to distinguish between a group of eastern-European political agitators and theoreticians on the one hand, and a “cultural Marxist” group of intellectuals on the other, and demonstrate that the latter is responsible for the present socipolitical malaise, and not the Bolshevik Party. What I mean by “genetic link” is simply ideological inheritance: what the Jewish intellectuals and writers brought over from Germany has had much more influence on public discourse today than anything said or written by Trotsky or anyone else involved in the Soviet state. I don’t believe this is a wild assertion — but I do believe the converse is.

Anyway, thank you for responding to my criticisms. I’ll begin the transcription work on Racism this weekend, and maybe something else of note will turn up.
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diggbnini Said,

December 13, 2007 @ 10:40 pm · Edit

Well, one more thing — to clear up a major source of misunderstanding. It is necessary to recall that “political correctness”, the term, in modern usage dates to the ’70s. (One would not claim that Chisholm v. Georgia is responsible for that, though the wording is the same — unlike anything we find in Lenin, et al.) In its modern usage it has undergone “reification”, it is a concept, an abstract thing, rather than a mere turn of phrase (which is probably what gave rise to two occurrences of the phrase so widely removed in time); it has certain culture-specific referents which make it uniquely “modern” and even “American”. Ellis, and others, abstract this concept into an analogy based on certain similarities of procedure in the Soviet system and “politically correct” America. That is to say: it goes from turn of phrase, to a cultural concept, to a sociological concept — which it then becomes necessary to retroactively blame on the target, Bolshevism. There is no textual evidence for this whatsoever, though the field is replete with rumors and suggestions, based again on analogy — much as orderliness is casually referred to as being an “x-Nazi”, but in this case rather disastrously in political discourse: in other words, people have gone from noting that there is some similarity between political correctness and the phrase (only associated with Soviet Russia and China and nowhere demonstrated) of “towing the party line” or keeping the “correct line”, and from this actually trying to prove that political correctness descends from Soviet doctrine and practice — which it quite obviously cannot do without absurd leaps of logic and constant regurgitation of rumors. It is indeed a logical problem in that the nature of the concept changes — the “PC” I am discussing is literally not the “PC” Ellis is discussing: and that is, without meaning to sound solipsistic, precisely why Ellis is wrong about it. What’s more interesting to me is who first decided that political correctness was invented by the Soviets? who didn’t realize that it was a fad among American leftists, then a useful metaphor among American rightists, and isn’t an all-embracing term like “das System” is to the Germans? I have no doubt it was a European — I would guess an eastern one, but I can’t be sure. I am sure however that political correctness, both the “thing” and the cultural ramifications of Jewish social engineers it is meant to cover, have absolutely nothing to do with Soviet doctrine (the analogy with Soviet practice aside — also different, however): which is after all widely available on the web for anyone to examine. Trying to locate it in the Soviet canon is a total red herring, a false path, one politically determined by the purview of anti-Soviet dissidents living in Europe. The Bolsheviks weren’t Gramscians, one could say, and the failure of modern Western nationalism on this point results from the (deliberate) confusion of two very different species of “Marxism”. I realize “the point is” that Jews are responsible for both, but it just isn’t correct to say Lenin (or Trotsky, or Stalin, or Kamensky) coined, invented, theorized, developed, etc. “political correctness” as we know it. It is permissible and quite correct to say that Western Marxist theorists (mostly German Jews of course), like Bloch, Gumperz and Lukács, all assisted in creating the kind of society summarized by the phrase “politically correct”, on conjunction with God knows how many screenwriters, producers, talent scouts, psychiatrists, philosophers, parapoliticos, bankers, comptrollers, etc. ad naus. That much is very true.

Ok, now I’m done.
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sgruber Said,

December 14, 2007 @ 8:36 pm · Edit

diggbnini,

Are you using the term “genetic” as a DNA term, or a logic term? Jews - out of Germany or Russia - are genetically (i.e. racially, ethnically) related.

Forget borders. The international jew does. Whether it scratches in Cyrillic or not, it is scratch, scratch, scratching away at us everywhere and every time.

By the way, what’s wrong with anti-communism as such? Which species of Marxism is great? Since someone has deliberately confused us as to the “two very different species of ‘Marxism,’” please unconfuse us. Thanks.
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diggbnini Said,

December 16, 2007 @ 11:12 am · Edit

Logical term, obviously.

“By the way, what’s wrong with anti-communism as such?”

As such, it is more a fad than a worldview or anything like familiarity with some very important political events and theories spanning the 19th to 20th centuries. Needless to say, no one here has read Marx or Engels, Trotsky or Lenin, nor anyone else, and would never believe any of these men had anything of note to say. You don’t need to — because anticommunism in WN is meant to covertly symbolize opposition to Jewry and leftism generally. It’s a patch worn on your sleeve, nothing more. Same with skinheads and blight-wing music. It serves more to locate the faithful on one side than it clearly says something about the other side (outside of the anarchists with their “red” fad). All of this takes place well beneath actual political discussion. And it’s the same all the way up the line to 50’s fear of “the Reds” to modern WN’s stupid latter-day obsession with the advent of Russian involvement in the scene.

” Since someone has deliberately confused us as to the “two very different species of ‘Marxism,’” please unconfuse us.”

I don’t see the point in your tongue-in-cheek. There are a lot of things you don’t know and could stand to learn, and a lot of things people in WN, like Linder evidently, are inclined to obscure if not suppress for the sake of their own “party line” — any deviance in which they can’t suffer, because they imagine it hurts their case with “the masses”. They think anti-Communism, that precious Jewish link, is the golden ticket to showing up the Jews. Ah! Stalin and his Jewish henchmen killed ten-billion Ukrainskians! ah! — As your own sarcasm demonstrates, though, most discussions in WN are in extremely bad faith, to use a term once popular on the left. Another word is lying, or fudging, or obfuscating, or propagandizing. Also seen in Linder or whomever’s trotting out this Milano character to reassure the flock that political correctness really is Bolshevik (because Trotsky used the word “racists” in a book), and of course to capitalize on my introduction of Hirschfeld to the discussion. It’s dirty tactics, that’s all. And that’s why I’m not a “WN”.

For the record, here’s the passage from Trotsky:

“Slavophilism, the messianism of backwardness, has based its philosophy upon the assumption that the Russian people and their church are democratic through and through, whereas official Russia is a German bureaucracy imposed upon them by Peter the Great. Mark remarked upon this theme: “In the same way the Teutonic jackasses blamed the despotism of Frederick the Second upon the French, as though backward slaves were not always in need of civilised slaves to train them.” This brief comment completely finishes off not only the old philosophy of the Slavophiles, but also the latest revelations of the “Racists.” “

You are asked to believe, by Linder and the whole WN cadre of believers, that this one use of the term (which I admit I had forgotten), is the primary cause of its becoming a major political epithet in our time, and is directly responsible for what we call “political correctness”. Does this sound plausible to you? I could give a hundred analogies to this grandiose bit of nonsense, but it would serve no purpose, because the absurdity of it is plain enough already: the believe that PC arose from Bolshevism is an article of faith, not one of fact.
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diggbnini Said,

December 16, 2007 @ 11:14 am · Edit

*belief
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diggbnini Said,

December 16, 2007 @ 11:26 am · Edit

The Milano “piece” by the way is extraordinarily humorous, if you look at it right. Some people didn’t like that I was challenging the idea that PC = Bolshevism, so what gets slapped on the mainpage is this atrocious op-ed actually cobbling together the two opposing theories, the better to pull the wool over the eyes of the flock for the sake emphasizing, yet again, the precious “Jewish link”. That’s all that matters, doesn’t matter exactly what this link is, just that it’s there and needs to be constantly reinforced because that’s what Hitler and Goebbels said makes good propaganda — uniform statements constantly repeated, much like Lenin’s ideological cohesion, which really does point to the mob-mentality theory shared by Bolshevism and its nationalistic imitator, the NSDAP. But the same pigheadedness that forced Hitler to break the Pact and attack his one useful ally, the one ally of supreme historical importance, is what animates WNs in their pointless anti-Communist prattle.
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kville Said,

December 18, 2007 @ 11:22 am · Edit

Thanks for the comments, I will respond later this week.
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kville Said,

January 23, 2008 @ 3:11 pm · Edit

But the same pigheadedness that forced Hitler to break the Pact and attack his one useful ally, the one ally of supreme historical importance, is what animates WNs in their pointless anti-Communist prattle.

Hitler attacked because he was going to be attacked. The mistake Hitler made was not destroying the British at Dunkirk.
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kville Said,

January 23, 2008 @ 6:00 pm · Edit

I apologize for the long delay in responding. I’m impressed by your knowledge, but I disagree with your arguments. I will respond to specific points below, but will sum up by saying that my basic view is that the jews are the main drivers behind communism, multiculturalism, political correctness (PC) and anti-racism. I see jews as mounting a global campaign against White culture. No matter where you go, the same terms and arguments are used. Jews vary their attacks over time, as they learn what is more effective, but, my main point, the antecedents of what we see today in America can, almost to a one, be traced back at least far as the Soviet Union, which was founded by jewish gangsters. I really don’t get what you mean with the metaphor and cultural vs genetic arguments. The point is, jews take power and establish a Party Line that you get fired, shot, or smeared for failing to toe. The difference is not in the jews or mentality, as you look from USSR to Weimar to AmeriKwa today, the difference is in emphasis. Jews will do whatever they think they can get away with. But always the same end is pursured: reducing the goyim in money and power, and pathologizing their norms, their everyday culture.

As a full political pejorative, however, it came into its own with Hirschfeld.

Agreed. I was concerned with who coined it. You say it was used in the 1850s, ok. I’ve never seen that, just talk about racism. It appears that Trotsky was if not the coiner, the first to make racism a smear, and that Hirschfeld launched it into the mainstream with his book.

Of course, I wouldn’t say otherwise. I have simply noticed that the rhetoric has slipped a little in the wrong direction, in this case Lenin. It is much more appropriate to blame Hirschfeld, who literally wrote the book on “racism”, than Lenin, even if one could find evidence in his works that he had the same idea — which I haven’t, for what it’s worth.

I thought I remembered having heard that Lenin coined racism, but apparently this is not the case. Lenin and his commies do seem to have been the originators of political correctness, again according to Prof. Ellis.

My point, restated, is that WN is engaged in a sort of anti-Soviet revival, prompted by certain memoirs and historical accounts of the regime which, though apt analogically, do not point to any development link between Soviet practice and Western political correctness.

The link is the mentality: crush all opposition. Do not argue with the opposition, destroy it. Stamp it out. The mentality of the Soviets is the same as the mentality of the campus left, Hillary Clinton, and the SPLC. No opposition to the party line will be tolerated. To me the connection is obvious: the same folks think the same way then as now: our opponents are evil, and every aspect of life must come under our control - “the personal is the political,” as the feminists said.

My opinion is this is bad for WN — much as it was in the 50’s and thereafter, simply because it takes rhetoric in a mostly fruitless direction. One can point out these grim similarities only so much, after all. If we can introduce a new factor into the history of modern decline, trace back PC to its source, and that factor is a full-blown queer German-Jew, I think it should be done at the expense of anti-Communist rhetoric.

The way I see it, people hate communism. All we have to do is show that what they really hate is jews, because communism = jews. So we meet them where they are, and we entice them in our direction by offering a deeper explanation of the thing they already don’t like. I don’t see why you see these as opposed. We’re not birchers. We’re not going after NWO and commies, yet kicking out people like Pierce and Rockwell who observe that the jews are the source of communism. We’re emphasizing the jewish roots of both the USSR and the cultural decay in Weimar.

None of us can read Russian and even if we could, we wouldn’t know where to begin in determining whether Miss Blank was a Jew or, as is equally possible, a Volga German. In the spirit of taking Russian historians at their word, one could adduce the determination of Volkogonov that this Blank was German.

Ok, fair enough. I do not mean to call jews those who are not. It was my understanding this was settled, but you may be right. However, let us at least note that while Lenin was the leader, even if he was 100% non-jewish, he was surrounded by jews, and I believe married to one as well. The USSR was neither conceivable nor possible without jews. It was created by jewish gangsters backed by jewish moneymen.

I haven’t found, in my studies of Bolshevik-Stalinist-Soviet theory and planning, anything resembling what we call political correctness. The “doublespeak” of the Soviet state is very different from the euphemisms we are expected to use in the West to keep face.

The only difference I see is in the penalty. Here you get fired rather than shot for breaking party taboos. The mentality of the enforcer is exactly the same.

There was nothing like Affirmative Action, nor racial quotas. Sexual deviance was not enshrined in law and in social discourse. The family was not, as would be logical if they had followed Marxist doctrine, abolished by social engineering

This is wrong. All these things were tried, in slightly different forms, and to different degrees. The similarities are far more significant than the differences. I guess we disagree on this. I don’t understand your view on this at all. For affirmative action, well, instead of simply discriminate against Whites, the USSR killed and starved off the brains of the Aryan population. It massacred priests and shuttered churches. It let in students from the third world as part of promoting global revolution. I think it is more a legacy of the need to preserve the revolution, resulting in totalitarian control, that made it impossible to shift peacefully to open, multicultural drip erosion program. The jew gangsters did what they had to do to win and keep their revolution. In America, the circumstances were different, so the SAME jew mindset and agenda found different ways to go after the same goal. In Russia the jews murdered the Czar and set up a dictatorship; in Weimar and America they bought up the papers and took over the professional schools. But exactly the same agenda was pursued in all three cases.

Sexual deviance was not enshrined in law and in social discourse. The family was not, as would be logical if they had followed Marxist doctrine, abolished by social engineering

This is factually incorrect. The Marxist very certainly tried to do away with the family. Now, so far as I know, the jews did not promote homosexuality under Lenin’s regime. But, it is an undeniable fact that they did promote free love and the entire freewheeling sexual circus we associate with the sixties in America. The reason I’ve been so slow in responding is I had to dig out the E. Michael Jones where he discusses this.

Remember, Lenin said sex is no more significant than drinking a glass of water. So when he took power, after making anti-semitism a capital offense, he put in easy divorce laws. This led to broken marriages, reckless free love, and the predictable plague of misery and STDs. Just as in economics, when his socialism and free-love policies failed, Lenin was forced to go back to traditional morals and economics, just to keep from losing the revolution.

Here’s EMJ on a woman named Kollontai, a non-jew, but typical USSR ideological communist.

“Life as a rootless, unmarried cosmopolite led inevitably to loneliness, which led to an affair, which led to an even greater sense of alienation after it was consummated, which led to desire to be free from the chains of love, which led to more work, which led to more loneliness. Kollontai’s new woman is a slave to her passions, a slavery which is all more effective because she can never identify its source, blaming instead “the slavery” of marriage, “bourgeois morality,” and the extant social order.”

So, Lenin appoints a woman like this to be “commissar of social welfare” right after the revolution, in October 1928.

“In December of 1917, the Bolsheviks legalized divorce. … [On the same day,” Kollontai announced that her commissariat would be reorganizing children’s homes to accommodate the 7 million homeless children that the revolution and subsequent civil war had created by 1921.”

“On November 16, 1918, Kollontai welcomed over 1,000 delegates to the First All-Russia Congress of Worker and Peasant Women. … Kollontai planned on 300 delegates and was stunned when four times that many showed up, hungry and cold, dressed in the sheepskins and traditional garb of the countryside. The purpose of the conference was evident in its slogan — “through practical participation in Soviet construction — to communism.” And it soon became apparent from the tenor of Kollontai’s opening address that she didn’t consider raising a family “participation in Soviet construction.” … She proposed in her speech destruction of the individual household and what amounted to taking away these women’s children to be educated in state schools. Kollontai asked the Russian peasant women to open themselves up to a life in which they would no longer be dependent on men.”

Again, this isn’t America in the 60s, or Germany in the 30s, this is Russia before 1920.

EXACTLY THE SAME THING. The same types, the same mindset, the nostrums, the same results - death and misery and mayhem.

Kollontai = Rosa Luxemburg = Hillary Clinton.

The Soviets wanted to do just what Meathead, a few years ago, and Hillary today want to do: institutionalize federal pre-kindergarten. The goal is to destroy the family by getting the kids away from the parents, so the state can brainwash them even before official brainwashing begins at 6-7 years old.

Here’s more proof that jews have had the same program of cultural degeneracy for at least 100 years.

“In 1920, the Bolsheviks decriminalized abortion…”

[All these quotations are from Libido Dominandi, part II, Chapter 8]

So, we have feminism, we have easy divorce, we have day care, we have abortion on demand, we have liberated women, we have - everything but gay-straight alliances.

I think it’s very clear that destroying the family and sexual morals was highly important to the Bolsheviks, as they put in their destructive policies practically from day one of their regime.

The irony of the matter is that the mostly or wholly non-jew Lenin was apparently LESS in favor of sexual revolution than the jews around him. When these kikes + Kollontai went nuts and introduced all the stuff America would suffer first in the sixties, Lenin actually put the brakes on - for pragmatic reasons, if nothing else. Consider this amazing quote, same source, page 237-9.

“You must be aware of the famous theory,” Lenin told [Klara] Zetkin, “that in communist society the satisfaction of sexual desires, of love, will be as simple and unimportant as drinking a glass of water. This glass-of-water theory has made our young people mad, quite mad. It has proved fatal to many young boys and girls. Its adherents maintain that it is Marxist. But it is completely un-Marxist. Of course, thirst must be satisfied. But will the normal man in normal circumstances lie down in the gutter and drink out of a puddle, or out of a glass with a rim greasy from many lips? But the social aspect is most important of all. Drinking water is of course an individual affair. But in love two lives are concerned, and a third, a new life arises. It is that which gives it its social interest, which gives rise to a duty towards the community.”

As EMJ says,

Lenin’s views on sex reflected his pragmatism on other political issues. Just as he was willing to grant a certain measure of entrepreneurship and ownership of property in order to pull the country out of the chaos caused by eight years of war and revolution, so he was also willing to tolerate a certain amount of sexual common sense for the same reason. Promiscuity was causing chaos, and chaos was threatening the very existence of the revolution.

- …veneral disease rates soared during the early ’20s to epidemic proportions…

Kollontai was blamed for a wave of brutal rapes that swept the country during 1925-26, which were precisely the years whenthe debate over the sexual revolution were taking place.

In Leningrad a girl was raped by fifteen students, who then tried to justify what they did by appealing to the withering away of family and morals that communism was supposed to bring about.

So, I don’t see how anybody can deny that in fact there was the same EXACT craziness pushed by the BOLSHY-JEWS in Russia as was pushed in Weimar and in America. The only difference was that the USSR didn’t formally promote homosexuality, as far as I know, but I suspect even that might not be true if one knew where to look.

all the clichés about rights, liberation, equality, was already to hand, perfected in their hustling for rights in Germany.

All this could be found in Eastern Europe and Russia before the revolution. Not just Germany. The split between east and west is not as strong as you make it seen. The whole point of jews is they are international in scope. Jew radicals across Europe were discussing things in the same terms for time immemorial. When they acceded to power in Russia and Germany, by different routes, they nevertheless advanced the same agenda.

…a false concatenation of unrelated phenomenon for the sake of propaganda. What we know as “political correctness” was not a feature of life in the early or even late Soviet Union. It was necessary to tow the party line, but that is just one aspect of “political correctness” — which did not arise from a political party, anyway.

PC was invented by Lenin’s party, and that party certainly did force people to follow its line. The similarities are far more significant than the differences.

Political correctness in its essence is the establishment of certain taboos in the public mind, which becomes self-censoring and engages in “altruistic punishment” of those who fail to exhibit these tendencies: while this also describes, in a general way, the public mind in the Soviet state, the two are still widely different in detail. Yes, a citizen of the DDR might overhear a neighbor say something questionable and rat him out to the Stasi. But this is not what we experience, exactly. Before the respective threats of punishment, there is the psychological state of the two subject populations — the Soviet has been called a “culture of fear”, whereas here, in the West, people are actually very happy, with the exception of those who have realized what is going on, of course.

There’s a difference between having material goods and being poor and hungry, that explains the difference in happiness. The difference in fear is the distance between fear of being shot and fear of being fired. The difference between the USSR and America today is that the jews have hit on better ways of achieving the same ends. Or, ways that do not bother the host population as much, and yet which are in many ways even more difficult to resist. There’s no change in the mentality of the jew behind the System. Just a change in tactics.

So how is that the Soviet system inspired fear and suspicion, and the “system” (which is strictly a metaphor) here leaves most people blinking, breeding ignoramuses?

The Soviet system was direct and brutal. You could get shot or sent to concentration camp for opposing the ruling jews. The System in America is more informal, but only because formality isn’t needed. Decades of dumbing down have produced brutes incapable of seeing the System, let alone rising against it. In Russia that was not the case. People remembered a time before, and they had seen the battles in the street. As a jew said, you only feel your chains when you move. AmeriKwa seems like a free country until you try to use that freedom. Then you realize our vaunted freedom is more like being stuck in a ziploc bag.

…there is a huge difference between a Jewish commissar shooting a dissident and a Jewish philosopher studying the “pathology” of all forms of traditional or conservative sentiment among whites; the two produce, in turn, completely different societies, and that is what I am trying to demonstrate.

You are trying, but as the Kollentai shows, it’s all there, however vestigially, back in Russia in 1920. The ashies in Germany may have done it better, and the New School more recently, but it’s the same thing. Traditional society, ways, mores are bad and must go, be replaced with the revolutionary new form, a jewish production. Same mentality, different terms and emphases, but same basic plan: destroy existing Russia/Germany/USA, and replace it with the new and improved Jewish Tyranny, a Politically Correct (Semitically Correct) joynt.

The Ashkenazim who reworked our society were psychologists, philosophers, litterateurs — the Jews who staged the Bolshevik Revolution were agitators. This is a crucial difference, and with it the whole analogy, the line drawn between Soviet censorship and PC falls.

Wrong. All those beasts were present among 19th and 20th century Russian (read: jewish) radicals. You’re pointing out differences that are largely a product of new times and technologies and techniques, but what matters is that the blood, the agents and the agendas are the same. I mean, today the kikes use TV because it reaches everybody. If TV had been around in their time, Lenin’s gang would have used it too. The similarities are 100x more signficant than the differences.

It is actually useless to keep reminding people that both were Jews, as though no morphology is permitted after one has noted that where Jews are found, there society is in trouble.

That’s the most important thing: where you find jews, you find a society on the road to destruction. The only thing more important is figuring out how to defeat the jewish peril.

Yes, obviously, but the nature of that trouble (or change, or revolution as they might say) is distinctly different and must not be confused for the illusory goal of more poignant propaganda, which is what Ellis, and the whole post-War anti-Communist line, amounts to.

I don’t agree at all. Ellis and Jones offer valuable help in seeing that we face the exact same problem as our European relatives and forbears. The key is knowing the what and why. Once you know those, it’s easy to realize that the tactics and techniques will change depending on the tools and times. People can see clearly enough what is being done, the hard part is to get them to understand the who and why. People see nigs commit crimes, they blame nigs. They don’t understand that nigs are a function of jews. jews loosed nigs under civil rights. Why did they do this? We know. We have to teach the others. That’s the harder part. The common thread in all these European countries is jews being radical agents of destruction. Our people must learn to identify these jews as hostile aliens and fight back.

It is politically worthless to us, and historically incorrect.

This is completely wrong. People HATE communism. But they’re told they should love jews. For once we have something we can work with - a legitimate hatred. Half our work is done. All we have to do is show people that communism is jewish. Once they get that, we can show them that the jews, who are blood and idea-related to the original commie gangsters, have a plan for America (or Germany or Australia) that is just as destructive.

I’m no expert on Lenin or his writings. My point is simply that Lenin or his guys apparently used a term that equates to PC to describe their line, and the need to crush any opposition to it. That’s all. I say what matters here is the mentality, and that what you find in Lenin you find in James Carville, Hillary Clinton, their jew moneybags, and the neocons on the other side. Academic distinctions are important to academics, but to people trying to grasp politics, what matters is the same type thinking the same thoughts leads to the same results. If we want change, we must cashier the jews.

does Lenin here seem more important, more consequential, historically and ideologically, than Hirschfeld’s book on RACISM? or Marcuse’s Eros and Civilization? or Adorno/Horkheimer’s The Authoritarian Personality? or Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism? The very titles of these books are more relevant than any single line in all forty-five volumes of Lenin’s collected works. No line in Stalin’s Fragen des Leninismus was of any consequence in the formation of political correctness by Jews in the West.

This is true, but not relevant. What’s relevant is the early Soviets were primarily jews, and among them were all the same nasty types and bloody nostrums as we saw in Weimar and see in America. And in fact, as EMJ shows with Kollontai, you can find all the same radical sex crap in 1920s Russia as in 2008 AmeriKwa. There is nothing new under the sun.

From “racism” to “melting pot”, and all the other ones I can’t be bothered to think of right now, all were brainchildren of Western Jews without any prompting or model from Lenin.

Except that racism came from the East - from Trotsky. Hirschfeld merely popularized it. And the term PC came from Lenin. So, the terms came from everywhere, east or west doesn’t matter. What matters is that the same agenda is pursued by the same type.

But if you are willing to accept that Hirschfeld was an important figure in normalizing sex perversion, surely you can accept that he was all the more important in popularizing, if not coining, the terms racism/racist in the modern pejorative sense?

I don’t think you’re wrong, I think you’re just making too much of small differences. The soviets don’t have AA precisely, but they do have class enemies,and they did essentially cut the heads off the captured White populations in Eastern Europe. And they did bring in nigs and vietnamese and other muds. Not the extent the jews did in America, but, you know, you can only deal with what you have at hand. I am sure that if the Soviets had ten million niggers at their disposal they would have done what their fellow jews did in the USA. In fact, Hitler in Mein Kampf talks about the French (ie jews) bringing in black francophone troops to mix and mess up the Ruhr. So, you are trying to make a western jew thing of what is simply a jew thing. There’s more than one way up Goy Mountain, and the jews know all the routes.

The whole anti-Communist thing is a fad that needs to go away

I’d rather blame jews for communism, show that communism, which people hate, was created and sustained by jews, would never have existed without them, and that multiculturalism is just a fancy name for communism in America.

I believe it is more fruitful for propaganda, and simply getting the record straight, to focus on the descent of political correctness from its obvious and only possible source, German Jews, rather than falsify the record (and thereby falsify political correctness itself) in trying to attach it to the Soviet system.

Well, we disagree here. I think I’ve demonstrated that PC does in fact predate Weimar, and that parallels can be drawn pretty much across the board, with the possible exception of the promotion of homosexuality. And I wouldnt bet on that - I’m not a scholar and must rely on the Jonese and Ellises to unearth the facts.

To the extent PC is recognized, the neocon writers blame it on leftists, liberals and “Germans” or “Continental European philosophers,” rather than German jews. I agree that we must always emphasize that these are NOT germans, these Adornos and Marcuses, they are jews. That is what the syndicated columnist will never mention, and it is the crucial fact. We must always point out to the average person that the Germans, commies and leftists the Limbaughs blame for political correctness are in fact jews.

…this is very different from proving actual historical descent, which you also claim, as Ellis claims, and whomever Ellis copied claimed. I am challenging this notion that Lenin himself is “responsible” for “political correctness” as we know it.

Well, I believe what Ellis said. I think the problem is that to you PC means something other than the English translation of the Russian term for the Party Line. As for historical descent, I can’t really respond to that. What I see is jews across the world pursuing the same agenda. And sharing with each other “best practices” for subduing the goyim. In an age of global media, and even in the 1920s there was global pollination, historical descent is the wrong way to conceive of the phenomenon. It’s just jews pursusing the same agenda in different times and places, and sharing the results through the mass media they control, and through their international gangster/political/academic milieus.

Again: I don’t see that they are using the same words, frames and arguments — as those of Lenin, Trotsky, et al. I have tried to distinguish between a group of eastern-European political agitators and theoreticians on the one hand, and a “cultural Marxist” group of intellectuals on the other, and demonstrate that the latter is responsible for the present socipolitical malaise, and not the Bolshevik Party.

Yes, I see what you are trying to prove. And I’m not versed in Lenin, Trotsky enough to talk much, but I observe that wherever you dip into Soviet practices, you find the same thing you do here. Class enemies, speech controls, hate objects/crimes, sexual perversion, economic controls, jews legally privileged, christians hated, traditional society attacked… To me, it is obvious that the differences pale beside the similarities. Regardless of who came up with the particular term, the crucial thing is that the terms then becomes used wherever Jewish Tyranny obtains. I have a box of East German books, and they are full of the same exact language that is used in the West - racisim, fascism, etc etc. I will take some photos and post them.

Anyway, thank you for responding to my criticisms. I’ll begin the transcription work on Racism this weekend, and maybe something else of note will turn up.

Sorry for the delay. There is so much interesting stuff in Jones that is pertinent to this discussion, I’ll post more here when I dig it up. There’s not one thing a Hillary Clinton administration will propose the Bolshy-kikes haven’t already tried.
 
 

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