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Old February 4th, 2017 #341
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Default "Demean", indeed.

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The word is an attempt to demean, and it's sad, as I am clearly your superior.
Green grinning dude agrees:
"Demean", indeed.
But, only yourself, "skank".
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=3085

My "superior"? LOL!!
Clearly you are delusional.
Nothing new there.

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Old February 4th, 2017 #342
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Default You are so full of BS, Emily, just like George here.

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The thing is, the Jew that tried to call belief in empirical evidence and reason 'Scientism' started that lie to put Science on par with Faith.
Nonsense.
Science is NOT the same as Scientism.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=3085

Science is based upon a rational faith in a logical objective reality.
Scientism just like many religious beliefs are based mostly all just
upon blind faith, and not upon the actual factual scientific evidence.

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As is anything resembling 'intelligent design' or a 'creator' in this Universe. No evidence for such, and plenty against.
Again, not true.
The Cosmos is both inherently and intrinsically and intelligently designed
and it is also the Creator and there is plenty of real evidence for that fact.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=3026

Any such ignorance of this Whole Truth or real fact does not make it untrue.
Teaching this Whole truth fact to this skank is like teaching algebra to a dog.
A complete waste of time.

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Old February 4th, 2017 #343
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Default Your own "I" or self-aware consciousness is your "soul".

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breaking down, etc...) Maybe as we understand more in the future and get new paradigm shifts there will be some way to incorporate the pain you are feeling into our scientific theories.

But whether that happens or not, when I talk about a 'soul' what I'm referring to is the inadequacy of our current theories to account for the pain you are feeling (presumably, I can't know for sure since I'm not you, and maybe everyone is an illusion but me, but the one thing I do know for sure is that I feel things that aren't accounted for in the equations, so I do have a 'soul' in this sense).

This is not something 'religious' or 'spiritual' in the sense of an immortal soul that is bound for Heaven or Hell. Maybe science will eventually explain it. But even if it remains forever outside the realm of science, even if it doesn't 'exist' in the way matter and energy 'exist', I know it 'exists' for me (and I presume for you).
Your own "I" or self-aware consciousness is your immaterial "soul"
or "spirit" that is individuated as experiences and feelings or as an
awareness of having free-will.
It alone is what is most real to us all and which makes us sentient.
No machine will ever be "consciously self-aware".
That is just not how this "soul or spirit" actually works.

Heaven or hell are all creations of ones own psychology and beliefs.
 
Old February 4th, 2017 #344
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Default Exactly correct!

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Emily, It's 100% clear to me and some others here that Georgie is trying to sideline the jewish problem. He has an invested interest in doing this because he is one of them.
Exactly correct!
That is his actual agenda here.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=281
He only fools himself and the unwary that take him at façe value.
Fools like this skank Emily H., for example.

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Old February 6th, 2017 #345
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"..Yawn.."
"..skank.."
Paul: the nigger in opposing views is more intelligent than you.

You are like the old bitty who natters about the neighbors, vs. the people having a discussion about something of value.
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Old February 6th, 2017 #346
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The lack of a god does not add up to being 'a god itself'; unless a person is not looking with a rational mind at empirical evidence for answers.

The refusal to believe 'just anything' is not a religion. You made a comment in an earlier post about whether or not the people you are speaking to on the thread are an illusion or if you are an illusion.

That is classic 'crazymaking'. Manson used it on his tards. 'How do I know what is real?'

I don't like that kind of thinking at all. It's quite a step farther than simply recognizing one doesn't know all things, and is 'still learning.' That's basic humility.

Tangible things are exactly that, and we know what they are. In another time and space, things may be different: but the laws on this earth tell us certain things, and one for sure is that we are not 'illusions'. That is LSD Tim Leary kind of thinking, and White people should run with their legs flailing like a schoolgirl when they hear it.
IMHO.
Back on topic.

Justify, George. Because the kind of thinking you're proposing has a psychological term: 'crazymaking.' Religious and cult leaders have used it for eons.
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Old February 6th, 2017 #347
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Default You just are not very bright, Emily.

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Paul: the nigger in opposing views is more intelligent than you.
Sure, although both you and Fred Streed do speak more like one.

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You are like the old bitty who natters about the neighbors, vs. the people having a discussion about something of value.
Sure I am.
I am just waiting for you to discuss something of value but all in vain.

You just are not very bright, Emily.
Sorry.
And all your lying hypocrisy clearly shows that you are just a skank.

But, at least you resigned as moderator from the WB forum and SF.
That counts for some honesty and independence at least.
No longer a slave or "Flying Monkey" for Williams?

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Old February 6th, 2017 #348
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Default Illusions and Delusions all.

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Back on topic.

Justify, George. Because the kind of thinking you're proposing has a psychological term: 'crazymaking.' Religious and cult leaders have used it for eons.
That is not "on topic" at all.
Illusions and Delusions all.
What actually is "on topic" is "Aryanism" and "Racial souls" and whether or not these topics are being correctly analyzed with the intent to discover the truth or the real validity of either.
The original thread topic: "Aryanism as the Gateway to our Race-Soul"


Neither George W. nor Emily E. have any real clue about either of these topics.
The blind leading the blind.

Neither WGS nor FN support George's thesis of any valid "philo-Semitic" Aryanism.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=344

And Emily, with her ignorant "scientism" and "hard atheism" is equally clueless.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=342
and
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=3085

What else isn't new?

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Old February 6th, 2017 #349
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Emily,

I was trying to make the point that physics might not ever be able to prove that people have souls*, but because I know I have a soul, I'm reasonably certain everyone else does as well (and not just people, higher animals also have souls in the sense discussed earlier, that is they can feel pain, etc...). Just don't ask me pointed questions like "where does your soul reside?"; or "what exactly do you mean when you say you have it?"; etc...

Statements like "I feel pain" are in some sense fuzzier than statements about "reality" such as "the Earth revolves around the Sun", but in another sense they are more accurate or "real".

Any rate, I agree we shouldn't get carried away with the "crazy talk", but I think we can healthily talk about things like this as long as we acknowledge that we don't really understand what we're talking about, holding out hopes that maybe in the future we'll come to a better understanding. Paul provides a case study in what we want to avoid in his latching onto a reasonable man like Pierce and taking his word as Gospel, trying to turn him into a cult-figure; this is very un-Aryan.

(* although quantum mechanics sorta starts to provide tantalizing hints along this line of inquiry, but I don't want to get into that now)
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Old February 7th, 2017 #350
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Default Un-Aryan? Cult-figure? Case study?

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Emily,

I was trying to make the point that physics might not ever be able to prove that people have souls*, but because I know I have a soul, I'm reasonably certain everyone else does as well (and not just people, higher animals also have souls in the sense discussed earlier, that is they can feel pain, etc...). Just don't ask me pointed questions like "where does your soul reside?"; or "what exactly do you mean when you say you have it?"; etc...

Statements like "I feel pain" are in some sense fuzzier than statements about "reality" such as "the Earth revolves around the Sun", but in another sense they are more accurate or "real".

Any rate, I agree we shouldn't get carried away with the "crazy talk", but I think we can healthily talk about things like this as long as we acknowledge that we don't really understand what we're talking about, holding out hopes that maybe in the future we'll come to a better understanding. Paul provides a case study in what we want to avoid in his latching onto a reasonable man like Pierce and taking his word as Gospel, trying to turn him into a cult-figure; this is very un-Aryan.

(* although quantum mechanics sorta starts to provide tantalizing hints along this line of inquiry, but I don't want to get into that now)
You have no real clue George.
You are not one of us anymore than "Frank Collin" was one of us.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=220052
A "case study", indeed! LOL!

Nothing is "gospel" that does not resonate with reality
and with their Whole truths. Cosmotheism is anti-cult.
Dr. Pierce is just one of many to see Semitism as the
greatest danger to Aryan survival and advancement.

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Old February 8th, 2017 #351
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Anti-Semitism is a slave morality:

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Masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master-morality with their slave-morality. Unlike master morality which is sentiment, slave morality is based on re-sentiment—devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as 'good'.
I lump Anti-Semitism in with Christianity as being a dead-end for our race since both are slave moralities based on ressentiment:

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Ressentiment is a sense of hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one's frustration, that is, an assignment of blame for one's frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the "cause" generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one's frustration. This value system is then used as a means of justifying one's own weaknesses by identifying the source of envy as objectively inferior, serving as a defense mechanism that prevents the resentful individual from addressing and overcoming their insecurities and flaws.
Nietzsche explains why ressentiment keeps us weak:
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The problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."
—Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morality
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Old February 8th, 2017 #352
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Default Taking quotes out of context to promote Semitism.

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Anti-Semitism is a slave morality:



I lump Anti-Semitism in with Christianity as being a dead-end for our race since both are slave moralities based on ressentiment:



Nietzsche explains why ressentiment keeps us weak:
Sure George.
Homosexual perversion is really a "dead-end".
Any Christianity is actually just another "slave morality" of Semitism.

Christianity was designed by Saul of Tarsus to weaken and destroy the hated Gentiles.
Saul saw what it did to the Essenes and he wanted to "replicate" this spiritual disease
to all non-Jews and thus help to make these Gentiles become just as extinct as well.
See:


Is this also your plan here or with your "philo-Semitism", George?
Your "so-called" Semitism-friendly "Aryanism"?
It sure looks like it to me!

Taking quotes out of context to promote Semitism.
The same way you did or with WGS in his WWWM?.

What else isn't new?

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Old February 8th, 2017 #353
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Sure George.
Christianity is a Semitism.

Taking quotes out of context to promote Semitism.
The same way you did or with WGS in his WWWM?.

What else isn't new?
Nietzsche's analysis based on Christianity applies equally well to Anti-Semitism (both are emotional crutches used to deflect a sense of weakness or inferiority away from the believer via ressentiment, preventing the believer from addressing and overcoming his insecurities and flaws; btw a similar phenomenon among blacks, namely the "we wuz kangs" slave morality, holds them back). Why don't you critique the argument for a change? Why don't you think for once instead of being a slave to your instinct?

BTW which quotes in WWWM did I take out of context? Explain, use your brain.
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Old February 8th, 2017 #354
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Nietzsche's analysis based on Christianity applies equally well to Anti-Semitism. Why don't you critique the argument for a change? Why don't you think for once instead of being a slave to your instinct?

BTW which quotes in WWWM did I take out of context? Explain, use your brain.
No, it actually doesn't apply "equally well" to Anti-Semitism at all.
Nice try, George.
There is no valid argument to critique only than to call it out as BS
based upon false premises.

Nietzsche's condemned the slave morality being imposed by Jews
with Christianity that were resentful of their masters, the Romans.
Typical of you to reverse what the truth of this matter was and is,
George.

Another Jewish Semitism or slave morality of resentment verses
the Master Morality of having civic duty and also an older better
or naturalistic religion of Roman or Aryan Pantheistic Paganism.

You see this today with Semitic Racial Egalitarianism and the "if
it feels good do it" immorality and hedonism promoted by same,
verses anything that is healthy spiritually to and for any Aryans
like Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism.

Other authors noticed this degeneration of the Roman Empire by
Christianity. Gibbons in his "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire"
for example. Semitism ALWAYS is a "spiritual poison" to Aryans.

Me use my "brain"?
Oh the irony!
Are you a "slave to your perverse Semitic instinct to lie" and also
to just be a "homosexual degenerate"?
Obviously so.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=344
and
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=118

WGS is clearly an "anti-Semite" but you only quote what you so falsely
believe fits into only your false narrative of what Aryanism should be
and it so clearly can't be. Like a round square it just is an oxymoron.

It and you clearly don't fit. Aryanism and Semitism are alien to either.
You are just another psychologically sick "Frank Collin" wanna-be here.
See:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

What else isn't new?

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Old February 8th, 2017 #355
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Paul, you need to prove assertions like "WGS is clearly an anti-Semite."

The problem here Paul is you are an insect. You can either continue to be in denial about being an insect, or you can realize you are an insect and aspire to be a man. The choice is yours.
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Old February 8th, 2017 #356
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Default We all know what kind of insect you are, George.

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Paul, you need to prove assertions like "WGS is clearly an anti-Semite."
That is easy enough to prove that assertion, George.

Just actually read his book, WWWM?, and the index to it,
as well as Chapter 19, Page 671, C: The Jews:
See:
http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=767
and also:
http://whitebiocentrism.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1366

We all know what "kind of insect" you actually are, George.
See:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...spider_web.jpg

Only the "unwary" here can ever get caught-up in your quite perverse
and Semitic "web of lies", George.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=281

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Old February 8th, 2017 #357
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Aryanism is a master morality:
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The essence of master morality is nobility. Other qualities that are often valued in master morality are open-mindedness, courage, truthfulness, trust, and an accurate sense of one's self-worth. Master morality begins in the 'noble man' with a spontaneous idea of the good, then the idea of bad develops as what is not good. "The noble type of man [race] experiences itself as determining values; it does not need approval; it judges, 'what is harmful to me is harmful in itself'; it knows itself to be that which first accords honour to things; it is value-creating." In this sense, the master morality is the full recognition that oneself [race] is the measure of all moral truths.
An Aryan following/advancing our racial soul is by definition moral. And true and noble and good. This is what gives us our strength.
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Old February 10th, 2017 #358
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Default You are by "definition" immoral or amoral at best, George.

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Aryanism is a master morality:


An Aryan following/advancing our racial soul is by definition moral. And true and noble and good. This is what gives us our strength.
You are by "definition" immoral or are just amoral at best, George.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=281

You do have no real clue what "following or advancing our racial soul"
actually is nor should be and what is true and noble/Aryan and good.
See:
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=354

Or, to say it in your own words, and I quote:

You lost your dignity with those early posts, George.
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Go fuck yourself.
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This one post alone proves it, George.

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Old February 13th, 2017 #359
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Love what is Aryan; hate what is anti-Aryan.
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Love what is Aryan; hate what is anti-Aryan.
Take your own advice and begin with yourself, George.
 
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