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Wow! That's a great find.
This alone is enough for a reasonable man that the whole thing was a hoax. A false court cannot produce true evidence. |
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Read carefully. Erhard Milch was not jewish.
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I don't agree . You are reading things into the statement, just implications not solid fact .
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Milch can't be a jew. Everybody knows Hitler gassed every jew he could find!
Serously, why should Milch have denied being a jew if he was one and admitting it would get him a get-out-of-jail card? David Irving wrote his biography and he says Milch wasn't jewish.
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Crypto-jews have had centuries of practice at hiding their true identities . Milch , Morrel and dozens more of 'Nazi' jews kept their ancestory quiet . Append: for what it is worth ; wiki Quote:
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Re: Jew Erhard Milch and his exemplary NS-principles
Not exactly, but almost; there were Mischlinge (part-Jewish soldiers) and occasional Aryanized officers (e.g. Ernst Bloch). SS were required to be Aryan.
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Milch wasn't jewish. He was one of the smartest and most competent Nazis . Read David Irving's book on him.
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That's true, he was A HELL of a guy! As I recall in Irvings book, he had a bad accident and on the same day, in acute pain from busted ribs he flew to Stalingrad to see the situation the Luftwaffe was in for himself. He was one tough mother.
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arm ("Tatterarm"), the real Hitler survived and died as a dignified person which means the whole above story is BS. Quote:
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August 20th, 1986
Dear Sir, SINCE Field Marshal Erhard Milch is dead may I as his authorized biographer (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1971) comment on your story (Aug.20) that upon seeing the "corpses of concentration camp prisoners massacred by the retreating Germans," Milch remarked: "After all they are only Poles and Jews." Milch was the founder of Lufthansa, and Hermann Goering's deputy. In 1944 he was invalided by a car crash. Having surrendered to Scots troops he was turned over to a British Commando unit near Neustadt. His diary of May 4, 1945 describes: "Robbed. Cowardly maltreatment by British brigadier-general of Commandos. . ." While an army camera filmed the scene and commandos trained tommy-guns on the invalid this vengeful general had strutted in, seized the field marshal's silver knobbed "interim baton" and whipped him until his skull fractured and the baton broke in two. (Peter Ustinov describes in his memoirs seeing the secret newsreel film.) The brigadier then resumed the onslaught with an empty champagne bottle, and stole the baton. Milch's diary the next day states: "Driven back to Sierhagen. . . Among other things plundered are golden marshal's baton, gold cigarette case, gold Glashütte watch, gold wristwatch, two silver wristwatches, clothes, etc. Women were robbed with pistol held at their breast. Driven back to Lüneburg." I identified the general as Brigadier Derek Mills-Roberts, DSO. His staff confirmed it to me but, ashamed at the whipping episode, tried to link Milch with the corpses of "concentration camp prisoners" found littering the shore. In fact these prisoners had been evacuated to three liners anchored in the bay, including the Cap Arcona; a single British aircraft had sunk them the day before despite their Red Cross flags, drowning 7,000 passengers; their mass grave is still marked by a memorial on the beach at Neustadt. Writing the Milch biography, in 1967 I put the whipping episode to Mills-Roberts. Although he had once admitted it to a mutual publisher friend [William Kimber] he now denied it and threatened to sue. Weidenfeld's refrained from identifying him on lawyers' advice. Evidently the late brigadier was both a liar and a thief, since he not only did beat his captive unconscious but stole the proof of it -- the broken silver knobbed baton -- in breach of the Hague Rules and the Geneva Convention, and concealed it at home. That his daughter is now offering this looted relic for cash, instead of returning it with apologies to the field marshal's family as happened with the marshal's gold baton shortly before his death can only bring further shame on the British army. Yours faithfully, David Irving
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Download the book (or buy it, preferably) here:
http://fpp.co.uk/books/Milch/index.html David Irving recalls something of the history of this book: AFTER I embarked on my research for the Hitler biography Hitler's War, in the mid 1960s, I invested a lot of time and effort in tracking down the surviving high ranking officers and their families. It became evident, as I read the Nuremberg interrogation reports on Field Marshal Erhard Milch, that he had kept voluminous diaries. I visited him in 1967 in his Düsseldorf apartment, where he lived with his niece, and he showed me a suitcase full of the diaries. He explained however that he was retaining them strictly for the use of whoever would write his biography. I volunteered at once, and thus came into possession of the diaries. I spent two or three years on this little detour, meticulously cataloging his papers and diaries, and committing them to 35mm microfilm with his permission. I provided the films and catalogues to the German military archives (Bundesarchiv). I also transcribed the more significant entries from these diaries from the 1920s right through to the 1950s, this being my first introduction to Old German handwriting (my microfilm DJ-59 has the transcripts). From time to time in 1967, 1968, and 1969 I went back to Düsseldorf and interviewed him on the basis on these diaries; I reeled out of his apartment each evening, my head swimming from the choking cigars that he smoked throughout our interviews. The tape recordings are still preserved, and the tapes were all transcribed verbatim at the time by my secretary Jutta Thomas née Padel (she turned out to be the daughter in law of Generalmajor Georg Thomas of the OKW's Wehrwirtschafts- und Rüstungstab, but she kept that from me for twenty years). The transcripts are in my collection, the Sammlung Irving, at the Institut für Zeitgeschichte. In 1967 I had met my publisher William Kimber's US agent, Max Becker, and he persuaded me to take a literary agent, namely himself. Very soon he telephoned me from New York with the welcome news that the book had been bought for $35,000 by Little, Brown, Inc. in Boston, and then by Bild am Sonntag and the Ullstein publishing house in Germany. The research was not without incident. Alerted by comments in Milch's Nuremberg diaries, in 1969 I went to the National Archives to compare the sound recordings of the Nuremberg trial testimony with what appeared in the famous blue volumes of the Trials. There were such shocking discrepancies and obvious manipulations that I decided never again to trust the IMT volumes as a source, and I recommended others not to. In November 2000 the National Archives revealed in a press release that Robert Kempner, Milch's persecutor at Nuremberg, had asked the FBI to have me watched in case I destroyed the IMT recordings. THE German edition is slightly different from the British/American; the latter carries more of the postwar story of Milch's career, and of his 1947 trial at Nuremberg which ended with a life sentence; he served about ten years in Landsberg prison. But the German edition of course has the original language of the quotations from his documents (which included about seventy volumes of verbatim records of his German Air Ministry conferences 1942-1944. These volumes I also roughly catalogued and indexed for other researchers: my index is in the Institut für Zeitgeschichte). When the book was ready to be published in London (by my friend George Weidenfeld), I invited Milch over to the city for his first visit since 1935, before the war (he had dined then on one occasion with Mr Churchill.). I put him up at a suitable suite at the Grosvenor House hotel in Mayfair. BBC Television News filmed him visiting the Imperial War Museum, where he saw once again the V1 flying bomb (a cheap and cost-effective 1944-45 Nazi cruise missile) which he had championed against Albert Speer's expensive and extravagant A4 (V2) rocket missile program. Publication of the book in Germany was marked by a lavish luncheon paid for by Ullstein's at the Hotel Breidenbacher Hof in Düsseldorf. My German publisher Wolf Jobst Siedler was there -- as were Milch's friends Nicolaus von Below (Hitler's airforce adjutant) and his wife Maria von Below, and Albert Speer and his wife too. Two minor incidents from the luncheon stick in my memory. My wife asked Mr Speer if she could film him together with myself and his old Dutzfreund Erhard Milch (we had a 16mm film camera). Speer, embarrassed, said he had no objection to being filmed with me, but he would rather that his old friend Milch was not included in the picture (at that time Speer, freshly released from Spandau, had still not given up his hopes of rehabilitation and a major Cabinet post in Germany). It was on this occasion that Maria von Below, sitting next to me at the banquet table, related to me the vivid descriptions of Hitler's last tour of the Berghof, on the evening of July 15, 1944, accompanied by herself and Anni Brandt, the wife of his personal surgeon (whom the Americans would later hang at Landsberg); the Führer had formally taken leave of each of his favorite oil paintings at the villa -- he knew, she said, that he would never be returning. The scene is in my Hitler's War. Surprisingly, it also figures however in Joachim Fest's Hitler biography, which appeared a few months ahead of mine, credited by Fest to an "interview with Maria von Below." She phoned me, puzzled, as she had never given Fest any interviews -- all of Hitler's staff were very close-knit, and they spoke with nobody but me at that time. I explained to her that Fest was the gentleman who had sat opposite us at the luncheon; he had eavesdropped on her conversation with me, and he had got it into print first. MY book was published just after Erhard Milch died. He had read it however, and he liked the biography, though it was less flattering than he had hoped. At one stage I described him as being James Cagney to Albert Speer's Henry Fonda. Puzzled, he tapped the manuscript with his cigar and asked who these two men were, Fonda and Cagney. "Fonda," I explained, "was the suave, westernized, educated, academic. Cagney was the stocky little guy who burst into rooms spraying people with a round-drum Tommy gun." "Couldn't I be the Henry Fonda one?" he said, wistfully. Alas for the subject of many a biographer, you are what you are.
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There's no such thing as a "good National Socialist" Jew. jews=devils, liars theifs, con artist, bull shitters extrodinaire.
We aren't buying it. You can't trust ANY of them. Last edited by Armanen; June 15th, 2008 at 08:52 AM. |
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He did everything in his power to destroy Willie Messerschmidtt. He hated Messerschmidtt . Why all the hatred , why the viciousness ? That alone, kept German aircraft development back , by several years . |
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Milch probably wasn't a Jew, but he was definitely incompetent (he made many decisions that was VERY counterproductive to the air force). I think Milch was a wartime bud of Goering's, and even if Milch was Jewish Goering would have saved his ass in any case, being that Goering once said, "I will decide who is a Jew." |
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Has anyone in this thread bothered to read Irving's book on Milch?
Milch, Udet etc didn't do a bad job compared to their contemporaries in other countries. Germans are not that special.With hindsight its always easy to judge.Same goes for all Nazi what if questions. |
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It is no secret that The Fuhrer used jews in what is known as 'Hitler's jewish Army' -the majority held low level functionary jobs in the military. Milch was the one jew that held a rather high post.
Milch was one of the most devious jews. He helped Germany lose the war. One can only speculate as to why there was even a "jewish Army" in the Reich; however, it does prove that 'the holocaust' as described, ie, that The Fuhrer and his command were determined to holocaust every jew in Germany. It's a thing that Holocaustians try to play down. If ever an error in judgment was made by The Reich, it was this inclusion of jews; especially in the military. The number of which range between 1200 jews - and, the jews inflated number of up to 10,000 jewish soldiers. I do not fully understand why any jews at all were allowed in the military. They aren't known for their military prowess, even today in israel. I googled Milch and found numerous accounts of his being a jew. The jewish sources [ie, all of google it seems] seem oddly proud on the one hand, in a sort of 'AHAH, see!!" pride; whilst alternately condemning Milch for having served for helping to kill them. I do not fully understand why The Reich bothered with these jews at all, perhaps each jew selected for service was either cannon fodder for the Russian Front, or, like Milch, was percieved to have some degree of intelligence helpful to the war. Were I around then, and had I a say in the matter, these jews would have been placed in a work camp - where they could be put to better use. I would have trusted no jew to serve in the Reich, especially as soldiers. Quote:
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It is important for us further our abilities for wise judgements. Wherever a cunning jew is on the loose earth becomes a hellish chaos. Jews were all powerfull in Russia and were responsible for the gruesome war crimes against German civilians. You wrote: Quote:
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Because of their superior intelligence? Or because of connections or cunning? Jews have been around and worked their goyims in Russia and Germany for hundreds of years. How would Hitler be able to brake their power in less than 12 years? To break all the "STEINS" (gold/silver/rubin/franken/felsen) takes time. 12 short years...even god needs more time than that. EG: Quote:
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Lots of refrences to Milch in Irving's book Goering, which I liked very much...Irving did an excellent job of illustrating Goering's sense of humor. |
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