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Old October 21st, 2021 #1
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Unhappy Cold in Europe, Russian gas refused, prices skyrocket

Putin says new pipeline could quickly pump more gas to EU

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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Russia could quickly boost natural gas supplies to the European Union once German regulators allow a new pipeline under the Baltic Sea to start operation.

Speaking on a wide range of international and domestic policy issues during a conference of foreign policy experts, Putin argued that Russia already has increased gas supplies to Europe this year and could send more once the Nord Stream 2 pipeline is functioning.

He said one of the two links of the new pipeline already has been filled with gas as part of preparations for its launch, adding that supplies could start “a day after” regulators give their approval.

Putin said the pipeline’s second link will be filled with gas by the end of the year, to a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters.

Earlier Thursday, European Union leaders met to discuss ways to ease the pain of soaring energy bills for consumers. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday that with the 27-nation bloc importing 90% of its gas — much of it from strategic rival Russia — “this makes us vulnerable.”

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Baerbock (Greens): No to Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline

Greens chairman Annalena Baerbock wants the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to be shut down for the time being. Nord Stream 2 is to transport Russian gas to Germany via the Baltic Sea.

According to EU law, the operator of the pipeline must be "different from the one letting the gas through," Baerbock said in an interview with Funke Mediengruppe newspapers. She accuses the Russian government of playing a "poker game" with energy prices. Russia would slow gas supplies and push up prices, critics say. "We must not allow ourselves to be blackmailed," said Baerbock. The Russian ambassador to Germany denies that Russia uses gas supplies as a political means of pressure.

The controversial pipeline has recently been ready for use, but no gas is being transported through it yet. The Bundesnetzagentur, which supervises, among other things, German energy networks, is still investigating whether Nord Stream 2 complies with EU law.

Nord Stream 2 could become a thorn in the coalition negotiations between SPD, Greens and FDP. The Greens and the FDP are very critical of the gas pipeline, the SPD has always defended the project. Objections to Nord Stream 2 include that Germany and Europe are becoming dependent on Russia and that gas transit countries such as Ukraine are disadvantaged.

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Isn't having more potential suppliers always better than having fewer? Since they already have other energy sources, how could adding yet another make things worse? If Russia tried to manipulate the price, they still have their other energy sources to fall back on. Generally, when the supply goes up, prices go down.
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UK Energy Suppliers Face ‘Massacre’ Amid Soaring Gas Prices

By Tsvetana Paraskova - Oct 21, 2021, 9:00 AM CDT

More than a dozen power suppliers in the UK have exited the retail energy market in recent weeks

The UK has a so-called Energy Price Cap in place, which protects households from too high bills by capping the price that providers can pass on to them, but which additionally burdens energy providers


Another 20 energy providers in the UK could go bust in what looks like a “massacre” in the coming months unless the government reviews the energy price cap, the chief executive of one of the largest providers said on Thursday.

More than a dozen power suppliers in the UK have exited the retail energy market in recent weeks, and more are likely to do so, as wholesale gas prices rally.

Europe’s tight gas market, low wind speeds, abnormally low gas inventories, and record carbon prices have combined in recent weeks to send benchmark gas prices and power prices in the largest economies to record highs.

The UK has a so-called Energy Price Cap in place, which protects households from too high bills by capping the price that providers can pass on to them, but which additionally burdens energy providers.

Unless the UK government intervenes and reviews for raising the price cap soon, “we are in danger of just sleepwalking into an absolute massacre”, Keith Anderson, chief executive at ScottishPower, told the Financial Times.

“We think probably in the next month at least another 20 suppliers will end up going bankrupt,” Anderson told SkyNews.

The price cap currently costs providers around $6.9 billion (Ł5 billion), the top executive of ScottishPower, one of the largest utilities in the UK, told SkyNews.

Last month, the head of the UK’s energy regulator said more energy suppliers were set to go bust as soaring gas prices are putting an unprecedented cost burden on smaller electricity and gas providers.

“I think what is different this time is that dramatic change in the costs that those suppliers are facing,” Jonathan Brearley, chief executive officer of Ofgem, the independent energy regulator for Great Britain, said in September.

Back then, Brearley and the UK’s Business and Energy Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said in a joint statement that the energy price cap would remain in place.
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Since they already have other energy sources, how could adding yet another make things worse? If Russia tried to manipulate the price, they still have their other energy sources to fall back on. Generally, when the supply goes up, prices go down.
They want to eliminate CO2 emissions as soon as possible and replace them with alternative options, but the most cost-effective alternative, nuclear power, is never suggested.
 
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They want to eliminate CO2 emissions as soon as possible and replace them with alternative options, but the most cost-effective alternative, nuclear power, is never suggested.
It is.

China was going to build them one but it isn't now, ofc.

They are still going to let Bill Gtaesofhell build the extremely dangerous things everywhere however, and are "choosing" between Cumbria, Wales or Yorkshire for him to use to experiment on using molten salts for the fucking coolant, would you believe.

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Bill Gates Says Nuclear Power Will Become Politically Acceptable Again

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One rotten 'ordinary' nuclear power plant can serve one million houses, or something pathetic like that, when you consider how many millions of foreigners they have dragged into this small group of islands since 1997.

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The first new nuclear power station to be built in the UK in over 20 years; Hinkley Point C in Somerset will provide low-carbon electricity for around 6 million homes,
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No fucking wonder they haven't reported it in Holland, as you re upwind for most of the year.

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They are crazy in Holland, they use things that kill animals and disturb the ecological system.

They want to close the small-scale nuclear power plant, it would be better to build a few more. That thing hasn't caused any major problems in nearly 50 years.

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Dutch fishers express concerns over Offshore Wind Farms in North Sea

The fisherman Martijn van den Berg, who is also present, is not only sceptical about the future construction, but also about the existing wind farms. “The marine ecosystem is already suffering from this. We see that the areas around the wind farms are no longer as flourishing as they used to be. Fishing is actually completely gone around these parks.” According to Van den Berg, the parks are also disastrous for the reproduction of the fish: “Most wind farms are built in places where they reproduce.”

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Vulture’s death by wind turbine could have been avoided, says minister

Some 50,000 birds a year currently fall victim to the turbine blades which is enough to adopt the warning system across the board, Pohlmann said.

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Dutch NGO calls for government support for new build

Nuclear power has a small role in the Dutch electricity supply, with the 485 MWe (net) Borssele pressurised water reactor providing about 3% of total generation. The plant has been in operation since 1973 and is scheduled to close in 2033.

Last year, EPZ - operator of the Borssele nuclear power plant - called for an extension to its operation beyond 2033 and/or the construction of two new large reactors at the site in order to help the Netherlands meet its energy and "climate" goals.

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They want to close the small-scale nuclear power plant, it would be better to build a few more. That thing hasn't caused any major problems in nearly 50 years.
Dear Johan,

That is the point. The stable period is over. Earth is moving back into time of great upheaval, (great enough I hope to kill the parasites that infest us although some will live through it as they have always done)

It's a really stupid time to be building any new small/big nuclear power installations.
 
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Vulture’s death by wind turbine could have been avoided, says minister

Some 50,000 birds a year currently fall victim to the turbine blades which is enough to adopt the warning system across the board, Pohlmann said.
Things like the above make me so happy that humans are about to go down with the ship.

I wonder how many birds they manage to kill with the Haliade-X, AND it can only power a village full of houses


With a 107m blade length, 220m rotor diameter and 12MW output, GE’s Haliade-X wind turbine is the largest and most powerful offshore wind turbine produced to date. Once operational, each turbine will be capable of generating enough clean power for 16,000 households.
 
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Dear Johan,

That is the point. The stable period is over. Earth is moving back into time of great upheaval, (great enough I hope to kill the parasites that infest us although some will live through it as they have always done)

It's a really stupid time to be building any new small/big nuclear power installations.
Dawn I understand what you mean, but there are few or no alternatives.

Windmills, besides the noise they make I have already mentioned the problems with those things.

Coal power stations, they don't want it because of the environmental craziness.

Gas from Russia, they make a fuss about it (Putin is a bad man they say).

We don't have hydroelectric power stations.

Wood stove is suddenly not good either (in Holland they are now talking about banning it in houses).

Gas from our own land, causes subsidence, resulting in damage to houses, etc.

New subsidence map illustrates effect of Groningen gas production

Subsidence in the Netherlands greater than expected

So in my opinion they should be happy with Russia's offer, but the EU is holding its leg (with the result that citizens, farmers and industry are the victims).
 
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Dawn I understand what you mean, but there are few or no alternatives.

Windmills, besides the noise they make I have already mentioned the problems with those things.

Coal power stations, they don't want it because of the environmental craziness.

Gas from Russia, they make a fuss about it (Putin is a bad man they say).

We don't have hydroelectric power stations.

Wood stove is suddenly not good either (in Holland they are now talking about banning it in houses).

Gas from our own land, causes subsidence, resulting in damage to houses, etc.

New subsidence map illustrates effect of Groningen gas production

Subsidence in the Netherlands greater than expected

So in my opinion they should be happy with Russia's offer, but the EU is holding its leg (with the result that citizens, farmers and industry are the victims).
Yes, its all part of what I have been calling The Global Warming Plandemic.

The Elites don't really give a shit as long as we are distracted.

 
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Yes, its all part of what I have been calling The Global Warming Plandemic.

The Elites don't really give a shit as long as we are distracted.
Well spotted Dawn, now that Ukraine is about to join NATO (they blatantly drop their masks, and play the "game" like this).

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The pipeline has been criticized a lot. The US and EU countries say Europe is becoming too dependent on Russian gas, allowing the Russians to use it as a political weapon. Ukraine also says it is missing out on revenue due to Nord Stream 2 not running through that country. A country receives income for the transit of gas.

Germany and the US have said in a joint statement that they will counter "Russian aggression and malicious activity" by imposing sanctions. This should prevent Russia from "misusing" the pipeline for geopolitical purposes.
 
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This should prevent Russia from "misusing" the pipeline for geopolitical purposes.
Yeah, geopolitical purposes such as preventing western people from freezing and starving to death.

Unbelievable.

Putin said months go he would give us gas, obviously seeing that Biden & Friends are now hell bent on an ethnic cleansing programme the scale of which has never been seen before.
 
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Putin's discussion on Russian Energy Week International Forum plenary session - https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2353555&postcount=8
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Putin's discussion on Russian Energy Week International Forum plenary session - https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2353555&postcount=8
To reiterate, the rise in natural gas prices in Europe stemmed from shortages of electricity, not the other way around. There is no need to lay the blame on other people, which is what some of our partners are trying to do. Occasionally, you get stunned by what is being said on this account, as if these people do not know the numbers – I will say more about this later – as if they do not see the reality and are just covering up their own mistakes. Systemic flaws have been gradually introduced in European energy over the past decade, which led to a major market crisis in Europe.

As a reminder, when nuclear and natural gas-based generation were the leading energy sources, there were no such crises, and there were no grounds for them.

Thankfully, problems of this kind have no place in Russia. A long-term approach to the fuel and energy complex allows us to set Europe’s lowest residential and industrial electricity rates. To put that into perspective, the average price of electricity in Russia is about 20 euros per megawatt-hour; in Lithuania it is 256 euros, 300 euros in Germany and France, and 320 euros in the UK.

The growth of rates in our country is limited and is strictly regulated, which is not the case in European countries, where, due to an increase in the cost of power generation, utilities bills have been climbing almost every month recently. I have these numbers on my fact sheet, but I am not going to bore you with the details now.

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Biden Admits “I Don’t Have An Answer” For Sky-High Gas Prices, Admits Saudis Calling Shots

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President Joe Biden flopped when asked about any plans on the part of the federal government to bring down sky-high gas prices during a CNN town hall event on Thursday, frankly admitting he didn’t have any plans or concrete policies to lower prices at a moment where average Americans are more financially stretched than ever by inflation and rising prices.

Biden’s sole suggestion on lowering gas prices- dipping into the US government’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve- would only lower prices by around eighteen cents.

“I don’t see anything that’s going to happen in the meantime that’s going to significantly reduce gas prices,” admitted Biden in a unwelcome announcement to Americans finding their savings increasingly devalued.

“I must tell you, I don’t have a near-term answer.”




Gas prices have exploded to as much as $4.70 in major American cities such as San Francisco, with residents of more middle-class areas paying far more to fill up the tank as well.

As President, Donald Trump helped to lower American gas prices to levels unseen since the 90’s by enabling the American energy industry. Through restrictions on pipelines and the energy industry, Biden has merely ensured that the American public is reliant on Saudi petroleum, a supply problem that has plagued the United States geopolitically for decades before Trump’s presidency.



Biden admitted that the Saudis are calling the shots in regards to American gas prices during the town hall.

“It’s gonna be hard. It’s gonna be hard. There’s a possibility to be able to bring it down. It depends on a little bit on Saudi Arabia and a few other things that are in the offing.”



Elite liberals have long sought to price the average American out of a automobile commuter lifestyle, despite the wide majority of Americans unable to afford life in the handful of walkable high-end communities that exist in the country.

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The Green Agenda and the Plan to Collapse the Industrial World Economy

How this "Energy Crisis" Is Different from All Others

The price of energy from all sources conventional is exploding globally. Far from accidental, it is a well-orchestrated plan to collapse the industrial world economy that has already been weakened dramatically by almost two years of ridiculous covid quarantine and related measures.

What we are seeing is a price explosion in key oil, coal and now especially, natural gas energy. What makes this different from the energy shocks of the 1970s is that this time, it is developing as the corporate investment world, using the fraudulent ESG green investment model, is dis-investing in future oil, gas and coal while OECD governments embrace horrendously inefficient, unreliable solar and wind that will insure the collapse of industrial society perhaps as early as the next months. Barring a dramatic rethinking, the EU and other industrial economies are willfully committing economic suicide.


What only a few years ago was accepted as obvious was that ensuring an abundant, reliable, efficient and affordable energy defines the economy. Without efficient energy we cannot make steel, concrete, mine raw materials or any of the things that support our modern economies. In the past months the world price of coal for power generation has doubled. The price of natural gas has risen by almost 500%. Oil is headed to $90 a barrel, highest in seven years. This is a planned consequence of what is sometimes called the Davos Great Reset or the Green Agenda zero carbon madness.

Some two decades ago Europe began a major shift to mis-named renewables or Green Energy, mainly solar and wind. Germany, the heart of EU industry, led the transformation with former chancellor Merkel’s ill-conceived Energiewende, where Germany’s last nuclear power plants will close in 2022 and coal plants are rapidly being phased out. This all has now collided with the reality that Green Energy is not at all able to deal with major supply shortages. The crisis was entirely predictable.

Green Chickens Come Home to Roost

With the widespread covid lockdowns of industry and travel in 2020 EU natural gas consumption fell dramatically. The largest EU gas supplier, Gazprom of Russia, in interest of an orderly long-term market, duly reduced its deliveries to the EU market even at a loss. An unusually mild 2019-2020 winter allowed EU gas storage to reach maximum. A long, severe winter all but erased that in 2021.

Contrary to EU politicians’ claims, Gazprom has not played politics with the EU to force approval of its new NordStream 2 gas pipeline to Germany. As EU demand resumed in the first six months of 2021, Gazprom rushed to meet it and even exceed record 2019 levels, and even at the expense of replenishing Russian gas storage for the coming winter.

With the EU now firmly committed to a Green Energy agenda, Fit for 55, and explicitly rejecting natural gas as a long-term option, while at the same time killing coal and nuclear, the incompetence of the think-tank climate models that justified a 100% CO2-free, electric society by 2050 has come home to roost.

Because financial investors on Wall Street and London saw the benefit of huge profits from the Green energy agenda, working with the Davos World Economic Forum to promote the laughable ESG investing model, conventional oil, gas and coal companies are not investing profits in expanded production. In 2020 worldwide spending on oil, gas, coal dropped by an estimated $1 trillion. That is not coming back.

With BlackRock and other investors all but boycotting ExxonMobil and other energy companies in favor of “sustainable” energy, the prospects of one exceptionally cold and long winter in Europe and a record lack of wind in northern Germany, triggered a panic buying of gas on world LNG Markets in early September.

The problem was the restocking was too late, as most available LNG from the USA, Qatar and other sources that normally would be available had already been sold to China where an equally confused energy policy, including a political ban on Australian coal, has led to plant closings and a recent government order to secure gas and coal “at any cost.” Qatar, US LNG exporters and others have flocked to Asia leaving the EU in the cold, literally.

Deregulation of Energy

What few understand is how today’s Green energy markets are rigged to benefit speculators like hedge funds or investors like BlackRock or Deutsche Bank and penalize energy consumers. The headline prices for natural gas traded in Europe, the Dutch TTF futures contract, is sold by the London-based ICE Exchange. It speculates on what future wholesale natural gas prices in the EU will be in one, two or three months hence. The ICE is backed by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank and Société Générale among others. The market is in what are called gas futures contracts or derivatives.

Banks or others can speculate for pennies on the dollar, and when news broke on how low EU gas storage for the coming winter were, financial sharks went on a feeding frenzy. By early October futures prices for Dutch TTF gas had exploded by an unprecedented 300% in only days. Since February it is far worse, as a standard LNG cargo of 3.4 trillion BTU (British Thermal Units) now costs $100-120 million, while at the end of February its cost was less than $20 million. That’s a 500-600% rise in seven months.

The underlying problem is that, unlike the case for most of the postwar period, since the political promotion of unreliable and high-cost solar and wind “renewables” in the EU and elsewhere (e.g. Texas, February 2021) electric utility markets and their prices have been deliberately deregulated to promote Green alternatives and force out gas and coal on the dubious argument that their CO2 emissions endanger the future of humankind if not reduced to zero by 2050.

The prices borne by the end consumer are set by the energy suppliers who integrate the different costs under competitive conditions. The diabolical way EU electricity costs are computed, allegedly to encourage inefficient solar and wind and discourage conventional sources, is that, as French energy analyst Antonio Haya put it, “the most expensive plant of those needed to cover demand (marginal plant) sets the price for each hour of production for all the production matched in the auction.” So today’s natural gas price sets the price for essentially zero cost hydro-electric electricity. Given the soaring price for natural gas, that is defining EU electricity costs. It’s a diabolical pricing architecture that benefits speculators and destroys consumers, including households and industry.

A fundamental aggravating cause for the recent shortages of abundant coal, gas and oil is the decision by BlackRock and other global money trusts to force investment away from oil, gas or coal—all perfectly safe and necessary energy sources—to buildup of grossly inefficient and unreliable solar or wind. They call it ESG investing. It is the latest rage on Wall Street and other world financial markets ever since BlackRock CEO Larry Fink joined the Board of the Klaus Schwab World Economic Forum in 2019. They set up front ESG certifying companies that award ESG “politically correct” ratings on stock companies, and punishing those who do not comply. The rush into ESG investing has made billions for Wall Street and friends. It has also put the brakes on future development of oil, coal or natural gas for most of the world.

The ‘German Disease’

Now after 20 years of foolish investment into solar and wind, Germany, the once-flagship of EU industry, is a victim of what we can call the German Disease. Like the economic Dutch Disease, the forced investment into Green Energy has resulted in the lack of reliable affordable energy. All for an unproven 1.5C claim of IPCC that is supposed to end our civilization by 2050 if we fail to reach Zero Carbon.

To advance that EU Green Energy agenda, country after country with a few exceptions have begun dismantling oil, gas and coal and even nuclear. Germany’s last remaining nuclear plants will permanently close next year. New coal plants, with latest state-of-art scrubbers, are being scrapped even before being started.

The German case gets even more absurd.

In 2011 the Merkel government took an energy model developed by Martin Faulstich and the state Advisory Council on the Environment (SRU) which claimed that Germany could attain 100% renewable electricity generation by 2050. They argued that using nuclear longer would not be necessary, nor the construction of coal-fired plants with carbon capture and storage (CCS). With that, Merkel’s catastrophic Energiewende was born. The study argued, it would work because Germany could contract to buy surplus, CO2-free, hydro-electric power from Norway and Sweden.

Now with extreme drought and a hot summer, the hydropower reserves of Sweden and Norway are dangerously low coming into winter, only 52% of capacity. That means the electric power cables to Denmark, Germany and now UK are in danger. And to make it worse, Sweden is split on shutting its own nuclear plants which give it 40% of electricity. And France is debating cutting as much as one-third of its clear nuclear plants meaning that source for Germany will also not be sure.

Already on January 1, 2021 because of a German government mandated coal phase-out, 11 coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 4.7 GW were shut down. It lasted only 8 days when several of the coal plants had to be reconnected to the grid due to a prolonged low-wind period. In 2022 the last German nuclear plant will shut and more coal plants will permanently close, all for the green nirvana. In 2002 German nuclear power was source for 31% of power, carbon-free electric power.

As for wind power making up the deficit in Germany, in 2022 some 6000 wind turbines with an installed capacity of 16 GW will be dismantled due to the expiration of feed-in subsidies for older turbines. The rate of new wind farm approvals is being blocked by growing citizen rebellion and legal challenges to the noise pollution and other factors. An avoidable catastrophe is in the making.

The response from the EU Commission in Brussels, rather than admit the glaring flaws in their Green Energy agenda, has been to double down on it as if the problem were natural gas and coal. EU Climate Czar Frans Timmermans absurdly declared, “Had we had the green deal five years earlier, we would not be in this position because then we would have less dependency on fossil fuels and natural gas.”

If the EU continues with that suicidal agenda, it will find itself in a deindustrialized wasteland in a few short years. The problem is not gas, coal or nuclear. It is the inefficient Green Energy from solar and wind that will never be able to offer stable, reliable power.

The Green Energy Agenda of the EU, US and other governments along with the Davos-promoted ESG investing will only guarantee that as we go forward there will be even less gas or coal or nuclear to fall back on when the wind stops, there is a drought in hydroelectric dams or lack of sunshine.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize this is a road to economic destruction. But that’s in fact the goal of the UN 2030 “sustainable” energy or the Davos Great Reset: population reduction on a massive scale. We humans are the frogs being slowly boiled. And now the Powers That Be are really turning the heat up.

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"Let’s not forget that when Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 were being built, the European Commission did everything to retroactively apply the requirements of the EU’s Third Energy Package to these gas pipelines, contrary to EU lawyers’ official opinion that they should be excluded from the Package because all investments were made before it was approved. This was one of the reasons why Nord Stream 1 operates at only 50 percent capacity. And it will be the same with the capacity of Nord Stream 2, as I understand it, if everything with its registration and issuance of permits ends well." -
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s opening remarks and answers to media questions at a meeting with members of the Association of European Businesses in Russia, Moscow, October 8, 2021
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Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak:

Of course, production in Europe, which is declining, is also affecting the situation. The most recent European policy to reorient long-term contracts to the commodity exchange and spot gas prices is the key factor. What we have as a result is an out of balance market. Ineffective policies have unbalanced supply and demand.

Mr President,

I would like to say that our monitoring shows that the current situation is negatively affecting the performance of companies in related industries, primarily in the global chain.

What are we seeing? We are seeing a substantial decline in the production of nitrogenous fertiliser and the closing of petrochemical capacity. As of today, about 40–50 percent of ammoniac capacity has been suspended in Europe. This is a very high level, and it has doubled nitrogenous fertiliser prices today.

In terms of where this is happening, I will mention a considerable reduction in output from Norway’s Yara, one of the biggest fertiliser producers; Achema, a nitrogenous fertiliser producer in Lithuania; Germany’s BASF and the Dutch fertiliser producer OCI. The Odessa Port Plant has been completely shut down. This is Ukraine’s second largest plant producing ammonia and carbamide. Ostchem has also suspended part of its capacity in Ukraine.

As a result of increasing prices and a general decline in production, we are seeing the risk of a new round of soaring prices on agriculture products. This is how the market is already reacting to the current situation.

Regarding the impact of growing prices on electricity on the current economic situation, which I mentioned before, I would like to note that gas and electricity suppliers are going bankrupt in many countries. Price increases have already led to the bankruptcy of 12 suppliers serving about 1.5 million households in Britain. Importantly, this is a persisting trend and we are seeing that industries in addition to what I mentioned are being affected. Metallurgical plants that use a lot of electricity are also suspending production. These include, for example, zinc producers and foundries. Thus, a large zinc producer from Belgium has cut production in half at three plants: in the Netherlands, Belgium and France.

But soaring electricity prices are not just affecting these industries alone. As of today, we see that, for example, in China, about 160 textile and light industry factories have been shut down due to lack of electricity. There are problems in food production, especially at greenhouse facilities. Producers of greenhouse tomatoes and cucumbers are at risk.

We are monitoring the situation closely. The situation, of course, is causing concern. Unfortunately, we do not see any chance of supply and demand in Europe regaining balance any time soon. Much will depend on temperatures during autumn and winter and the demand for gas in Europe and on other markets. This is unsettling, as I mentioned earlier, especially for industries related to the production of essential goods and food.

Considering that we are part of the global economy and we maintain economic ties, I believe we need to carefully follow the developments that are unfolding on the energy markets and in other industries in Europe and Asia-Pacific region, that affect production chains and our economy.



Vladimir Putin:

You are right. I am worried about and, as I understand, the Government is worried as well about the potential consequences. I have in mind here the measures to support consumers being proposed by some of our colleagues in Europe. That is the right thing to do, and people must be supported. A number of European countries are planning measures to support households. How will this play out in real life? The households will not cut consumption, but there will be a further reduction in industrial consumption, primarily, in energy-intensive industries, which you just named – the metallurgical industry, the production of ammonia fertilisers, and so on.

This will have consequences, which, first, will affect people and ultimately increase prices for other goods. The proposed approach to support the people seem fairly straightforward, but, ultimately, we see that these are most likely decisions dictated by the domestic political situation, the campaign season in a number of European countries, among other things.

Ultimately, it will affect the people all the same. If the metallurgical industry consumes less, the prices for its products will rise, which will send prices higher along the entire chain in the same way prices on food markets rise if not enough fertilisers are used, and fertilisers are produced with the use of natural gas.

This has consequences for us as well. I am not talking about energy now. If it leads to a decrease in consumption – and this situation will ultimately lead to a decrease in consumption – it will affect our production companies, including Gazprom. So, we are not interested in seeing prices for energy, including gas, grow endlessly. Nevertheless, what is happening now is beyond our control. These are the things that were largely done by our colleagues, including in Europe.

- Meeting with Government members
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Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak:

Of course, production in Europe, which is declining, is also affecting the situation. The most recent European policy to reorient long-term contracts to the commodity exchange and spot gas prices is the key factor. What we have as a result is an out of balance market. Ineffective policies have unbalanced supply and demand.

Mr President,

I would like to say that our monitoring shows that the current situation is negatively affecting the performance of companies in related industries, primarily in the global chain.

What are we seeing? We are seeing a substantial decline in the production of nitrogenous fertiliser and the closing of petrochemical capacity. As of today, about 40–50 percent of ammoniac capacity has been suspended in Europe. This is a very high level, and it has doubled nitrogenous fertiliser prices today.

In terms of where this is happening, I will mention a considerable reduction in output from Norway’s Yara, one of the biggest fertiliser producers; Achema, a nitrogenous fertiliser producer in Lithuania; Germany’s BASF and the Dutch fertiliser producer OCI. The Odessa Port Plant has been completely shut down. This is Ukraine’s second largest plant producing ammonia and carbamide. Ostchem has also suspended part of its capacity in Ukraine.

As a result of increasing prices and a general decline in production, we are seeing the risk of a new round of soaring prices on agriculture products. This is how the market is already reacting to the current situation.

Regarding the impact of growing prices on electricity on the current economic situation, which I mentioned before, I would like to note that gas and electricity suppliers are going bankrupt in many countries. Price increases have already led to the bankruptcy of 12 suppliers serving about 1.5 million households in Britain. Importantly, this is a persisting trend and we are seeing that industries in addition to what I mentioned are being affected. Metallurgical plants that use a lot of electricity are also suspending production. These include, for example, zinc producers and foundries. Thus, a large zinc producer from Belgium has cut production in half at three plants: in the Netherlands, Belgium and France.

But soaring electricity prices are not just affecting these industries alone. As of today, we see that, for example, in China, about 160 textile and light industry factories have been shut down due to lack of electricity. There are problems in food production, especially at greenhouse facilities. Producers of greenhouse tomatoes and cucumbers are at risk.

We are monitoring the situation closely. The situation, of course, is causing concern. Unfortunately, we do not see any chance of supply and demand in Europe regaining balance any time soon. Much will depend on temperatures during autumn and winter and the demand for gas in Europe and on other markets. This is unsettling, as I mentioned earlier, especially for industries related to the production of essential goods and food.

Considering that we are part of the global economy and we maintain economic ties, I believe we need to carefully follow the developments that are unfolding on the energy markets and in other industries in Europe and Asia-Pacific region, that affect production chains and our economy.



Vladimir Putin:

You are right. I am worried about and, as I understand, the Government is worried as well about the potential consequences. I have in mind here the measures to support consumers being proposed by some of our colleagues in Europe. That is the right thing to do, and people must be supported. A number of European countries are planning measures to support households. How will this play out in real life? The households will not cut consumption, but there will be a further reduction in industrial consumption, primarily, in energy-intensive industries, which you just named – the metallurgical industry, the production of ammonia fertilisers, and so on.

This will have consequences, which, first, will affect people and ultimately increase prices for other goods. The proposed approach to support the people seem fairly straightforward, but, ultimately, we see that these are most likely decisions dictated by the domestic political situation, the campaign season in a number of European countries, among other things.

Ultimately, it will affect the people all the same. If the metallurgical industry consumes less, the prices for its products will rise, which will send prices higher along the entire chain in the same way prices on food markets rise if not enough fertilisers are used, and fertilisers are produced with the use of natural gas.

This has consequences for us as well. I am not talking about energy now. If it leads to a decrease in consumption – and this situation will ultimately lead to a decrease in consumption – it will affect our production companies, including Gazprom. So, we are not interested in seeing prices for energy, including gas, grow endlessly. Nevertheless, what is happening now is beyond our control. These are the things that were largely done by our colleagues, including in Europe.

- Meeting with Government members
Bloodyhell. Who owns those plants in Odessa? Not Ukrainians, I presume.

all this going on but eyes are firmly on the one thing that matters to them - Death for the unvxxecuted and lethal injections into little children.
 
Old October 31st, 2021 #20
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Three days ago:

Putin orders more gas shipments to Europe in
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