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June 3rd, 2008 | #1 |
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http://www.aish.com/dating/advice/Da...netic_Risk.asp Dear Rosie & Sherry, I have a slightly problematic situation. I am 20 years old and have very strong feelings for one of my cousins. Our families are very close, and every time we get together, I am excited to see him. I know that I like him for the right reasons -- he's considerate, kind, caring. He is a deep person and very smart. Also, the way he talks to me and smiles gives me a warm feeling inside. He happens to be everything I am looking for in a spouse. I am getting anxious because I really want to date him, and it's clear that he likes me. But maybe there are problems marrying a first cousin? Should I go ahead with this? Laurie Dear Laurie, Thank you for writing to us. We know of a number of pairs of cousins who are happily married, and we feel if two people and their families are comfortable with the idea, there is no problem. On the legal side: Jewish law permits marrying even first cousins, and this is permitted by Israeli law as well. Sherry is a family lawyer and has experience with these issues. In the United States, each state establishes its own laws, and marriages between first cousins are legal in many states. However, there is something such a couple should do before they begin dating. Because familial diseases have a stronger likelihood of being passed down to children when the parents are related, cousins who plan to date should be tested for genetic compatibility for marriage. Perhaps you have heard harrowing tales of families whose lives are upended by diseases that cause blindness, retardation, paralysis, and death in early childhood -- diseases like Tay-Sachs, Gaucher Disease, Niemann-Pick, Canavan's Disease, Fanconi's Anemia, familial dysautonomia, and cystic fibrosis. The diseases we mentioned appear in high proportion among American Jews. Apparently, they began with a mutation in DNA which, because of inbreeding, was passed on, rather than selected out. For centuries, the Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish community maintained a very successful "intra"-marriage rate. Thus in the Ashkenazi community, 1-in-25 are Tay-Sachs carriers, and an estimated one in seven Jews is a carrier of some genetic disorder prevalent among Jewish populations. Fortunately, scientists have now reached a certain understanding of the human genome that makes it possible to identify who is a latent carrier for genetic diseases. That's where pre-date testing comes in. A Brooklyn-based organization, Dor Yeshorim, carries out genetic testing for Jews and gives prospective couples the medical information necessary to make an informed decision. Dor Yeshorim uses a system of blind testing, so that even those doing the testing don't know the identity of the clients. After testing, each individual is assigned a code number. When he or she wants to begin dating someone, the other party's number is matched against his or her own. If both parties are carriers for the same disease, they are informed that their prospective union is "not advisable" and are offered counseling. The tests are done in strict confidence, and only the man and woman involved are told of the results. This avoids the problem of families who are concerned about being stigmatized. Dor Yeshorim was founded by Rabbi Yosef Eckstein, who lost four of his 10 children to Tay-Sachs, and then decided to do something about it. To date, the group has tested over 100,000 men and women, and such efforts have reduced problems in the Jewish community to where Tay-Sachs is actually more common today among non-Jews. There are other venues for genetic testing that advise individuals whether they are carriers of specific genetic diseases. These services are useful for people who prefer to "know" all the results of their tests. However, from a personal and professional perspective, we prefer the procedures that Dor Yeshorim follows, especially since a person's status as a carrier of a genetic disease only becomes significant if he or she is about to be paired with another carrier of that same illness. We recommend that every Jew get tested before entering the dating scene, and that two people find out whether they are compatible for marriage -- either before they begin to date each other or very early in the courtship process. If you wait, there is the possibility of discovering that both the man and woman are carriers, and then comes the difficult decision: Should we get married with all the attendant risks for our future children? Or do we suffer the heartache now of calling off the marriage? So we recommend that all single men and women get tested before they start dating, and certainly before they consider engagement. In the case of first cousins, the pre-testing is even more crucial. The number in the U.S. for Dor Yeshurim is 718-384-6060. We hope that everything works out for you. All the best, Rosie & Sherry For more information, see "Jewish Genetic Disorders: A Layman's Guide" by Ernest L. Abel (McFarland Pub.). (COMMENTS) (1) Ron Josephson 9/4/2003 Testing Easier Said Than Done Thanks for the excellent advice in this article. The nsgc.org web page recommended by the previous poster is a helpful resource. I would also recommend finding and copying the article "Genetic Profile of Contemporary Jewish Populations" by Dr. Harry Ostrer (Nature Reviews Genetics 2, 891-898 (2001)) in a library and to check genetic disease info at shamash.org. Arm yourself with the Ostrer article! In the interest of full disclosure, I am NOT a genetics professional. Here's why you need this info: When my wife and I were going to be married, our rabbi told us to get tested for Tay-Sachs. Well, my HMO told me that they do not cover such testing unless my wife gets pregnant! Fortunately, I was able to switch health insurers a few months later, but had to pay for the test out of pocket. Flash forward: My wife and I have a healthy baby boy. I have since read about a variety of other Jewish genetic diseases and heard a lecture by Dr. Ostrer. I decided to investigate further. Here's what I found out: 1) There are at least a dozen of these genetic diseases that affect Ashkenazic Jewish populations (with various incidence rates), and others that affect Sephardic and Oriental Jews. 2) Ask your insurance provider what (if anything) they cover. They may need a "code" from a doctor or lab before they answer. 3) Find out from the lab what they are really testing for. They may only run a test for three genetic diseases, and tell you that others are fantastically expensive. Find the codes for these tests in advance to see if your insurance company will cover them anyway. 4) Ask your doctor (or whomever orders the test) specifically what tests he or she wants conducted. Some doctors know more about this stuff than others. In our case, a genetic counselor told my wife to go to her OB/GYN. 5) Do NOT expect everyone to be supportive of your decision if you go through with these tests. Some doctors will think you are crazy, and your family members may take it personally. Stand your ground. You may have to deal with the ethical implications of the results afterwards, if you test positive for anything. My wife found the whole ordeal nerve-wracking. On a personal note, some very good friends of mine (non-Jewish in this case) of very different ethnic backgrounds found out the hard way they were Gaucher disease carriers. They had a girl who died at age two months. No one should have to experience what they went through. Best of health to all, Ron J. (2)Sidra Shapiro 6/29/2003 Genetic Counseling Genetic counseling (which is private and confidential) is available in most cities in the US and Canada. Contact the National Society of Genetic Counselors www.nsgc.org for more information. Sidra Shapiro, MS, CGC Certified Genetic Counselor |
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Dear Abbieberg
Only the mentally ill Kikes would have "genetic counselor".
I remember rebbi Tannenbaum in NYC who married his first cousin. Two hundred thousand hasids attended the wedding, stretching for blocks and listening via outdoor speakers. IT IS ILLEGAL IN NEW YORK. Yet, the record bureau issued the license. Hmmmm.... Quote:
DEAR LAURIE, Stop f**king your cousin, you sick Yid. Go back to your puppy dog as he is now very lonely & licks his b*lls a lot. Aunt Abbieberg
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August 15th, 2008 | #4 |
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[To put these numbers in context, Jews are 2.2% of the US population. If they were as devoid of ethnocentrism as they expect us to be, their intermarriage rate would be 97.8%.]
Friday January 14, 2000 New study debunks 52 percent intermarriage rate J.J. Goldberg One of the nation's leading experts in Jewish demography recently completed a new study of national Jewish population trends. It's a bombshell. Once you've seen it, you can't look at the Jewish future the same way. Simply put, this University of Miami study shows that intermarriage isn't the problem everybody thinks it is. First, Jews aren't marrying non-Jews at a annual rate of 52 percent. That was a statistical error in the 1990 national Jewish population survey. The true figure is lower, perhaps much lower. Moreover, surprising numbers of intermarried couples are raising their children as Jews. The 1990 survey said only 28 percent do so. The new study shows it's as high as two-thirds in some major communities. The study doesn't draw big conclusions, but they're obvious if you do the math. America's Jewish community is growing, not dying. Don't pop those corks yet, though. The Miami study's sponsor, the newly formed United Jewish Communities of North America, is sitting on the document. UJC officials are "reviewing" it and won't predict the publication date. Only a handful of copies have leaked -- "illegally," gripe UJC officials. They won't discuss the contents. For good reason. These are the folks who, in their previous incarnation as the Council of Jewish Federations, brought you that 1990 survey. They've touted it ever since as the biggest and best Jewish demographic study ever done. The 1990 survey's 52 percent intermarriage figure sparked a nationwide panic over impending Jewish disappearance that continues unabated. They're planning a year 2000 update at 10 times the expense, using the same methods. Now they're sweating bullets because the Miami study raises big questions about their methods. Partly as a result, UJC decided last month to put the 2000 survey on an indefinite hold -- weeks before polling was to begin -- over the research department's bitter objections. Officially, the delay is meant to let the UJC's new committees study the questionnaire. In fact, it reflects new doubts about the 1990 survey. This is serious stuff. The 1990 intermarriage figure utterly transformed American Judaism. It moved Jewish spiritual survival to the very top of the Jewish community agenda. It put liberals on the defensive. It inflamed communal tensions, as Jewish movements blamed each other for the looming disaster. Now it appears there's no disaster. Whoops. The news puts the UJC and its researchers on the spot. And they weren't just wrong. They have fought bitterly to defend their blunder. A few respected Jewish population specialists have challenged the data for years. The CJF-UJC researchers responded by vilifying the critics. Everyone else kept quiet, convinced it was too complicated to follow, yet ready to believe the worst. The Miami study is different. It merely summarizes local Jewish population surveys conducted in various cities in recent decades. Its tables compare individual findings from 40 cities, with the 1990 national findings alongside for comparison. Only in passing, in a footnote, is the intermarriage error noted. "The much cited 52 percent figure for intermarriages would be 43 percent if calculated only for Core Jewish households," writes Ira Sheskin, the Miami study's author. "Core Jewish households" is survey-speak for homes that contain an actual Jew. Besides Jews, the 1990 survey interviewed hundreds of others who had some Jewish ancestry but never considered themselves Jewish. Inexplicably, the survey included their marriages in the intermarriage rate. Of course, 43 percent is still high. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. Critics have found other flaws that exaggerate intermarriage in the survey. Sheskin's comparative charts seem to strengthen some of those claims. In fact, Sheskin's charts make it clear how assimilated American Jews were made to look in the 1990 national survey. Nearly every one of Sheskin's tables, from intermarriage to Sabbath candlelighting, shows a broad range of religiosity among Jewish communities, from old-fashioned, deep-rooted communities like Cleveland's to newer, more transient ones like Orlando's. Somehow, the 1990 survey's results always land near Orlando. That can't be right. Older Jewish communities in the Northeast still outnumber Sunbelt transplants by two to one. The national averages shouldn't resemble Orlando. Critics also argue that the 1990 survey used mistaken methods that exaggerated signs of assimilation. The most important of these was data "weighting." All surveys "weight" or overcount responses from blacks, Southerners and rural folks, to compensate for their tendency not to cooperate with pollsters. But Jews who are black, Southern and rural are more educated and probably more likely to cooperate, not less. At the same time, these three groups are less likely than average Jews to eat kosher food or marry Jews. According to Hebrew University sociologist Steven M. Cohen, one of the 1990 survey's critics, removing those weights puts intermarriage at 38 percent -- a figure now gaining acceptance. But even that ignores a critical question. What kinds of Jews avoid pollsters? Nobody has ever checked. Still, certain groups come to mind: the Orthodox, immigrants and Holocaust survivors. Weight those groups more heavily, and intermarriage might be as low as one-third. The difference is critical. If half of all Jews marry non-Jews and less than one-third of them raise Jewish children, the prognosis is demographic disaster. That's what the 1990 survey reported, and what most Jews now believe. But if intermarriage is one-third -- and if half the interfaith couples are raising Jewish children -- then the community is growing. That's what the Miami study seems to show. The issue isn't intermarriage alone. The 1990 survey initially called 125,000 households and asked their religion. About 5,000 said "Jewish." After eliminating false positives -- pranksters, schizophrenics, Bible-thumpers calling themselves the children of Israel -- they were left with 2,441 inteviewees. That's how they calculated 5.5 million Jews in America, another sign of stagnation. But they never called back the other 120,000 to weed out the false negatives. How many Jews heard the religion question and simply hung up? A hint came in 1991, when New York's Jewish federation ran a local population survey. After the polling began, the federation started receiving calls from area police. The cops were hearing from frantic Jews who thought the PLO was out to get the Jews by pretending to be the UJA. They were wrong. It was the demographers. http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html Last edited by Mike Parker; August 15th, 2008 at 07:35 AM. |
August 16th, 2008 | #5 |
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The jews put out lies to make it appear they're swallowing the diversity poison they prescribe for the rest of us. This has the added bonus of scaring the duller among them back onto the plantation, i.e., growing jewier and jewier for fear of vanishing.
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Intermarriage and The NonCommitted Jew
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Jerusalem: Ads warn parents – keep daughters away from Arabs
Jerusalem: Ads warn parents – keep daughters away from Arabs
Ad made to look like imaginary wedding invitation distributed throughout Jerusalem's streets in bid to demonstrate what would happen if parents fail to keep watch over their daughters - Lehava, the extremist Jewish organization for the prevention of assimilation in the Holy Land, has come up with a new gimmick that is creating a stormy debate on the issue of mixed marriages between Jews and Arabs. In an ad made to look like an imaginary wedding invitation between Michal and her chosen groom Mohammad, distributed throughout Jerusalem's streets, the organization is seeking to demonstrate what would happen if parents fail to keep watch over their daughters. Lehava, the extremist Jewish organization for the prevention of assimilation in the Holy Land, has come up with a new gimmick that is creating a stormy debate on the issue of mixed marriages between Jews and Arabs. In an ad made to look like an imaginary wedding invitation between Michal and her chosen groom Mohammad, distributed throughout Jerusalem's streets, the organization is seeking to demonstrate what would happen if parents fail to keep watch over their daughters. The "invitation" asks you to join Michal and Mohammad as they celebrate their marriage on a Friday night at the Shahid (martyr) events hall in Ramallah. Next to the invitation the ad reads: "If you don't want your daughter's wedding invitation to look like this then…Don't let her work with Arabs or do national service with non-Jews, don't let her work in place that employs enemies and don't bring home migrant workers…" The Lehava organization's goal is to "save the daughters of Israel who have been tempted into a romantic relationship with a non-Jew." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...226495,00.html |
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"Jewish Genetic Disease Consortium - Working together to prevent jewish genetic diseases"
http://www.jewishgeneticdiseases.org/ Ashkenazi Jewish Genetic Diseases http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../genetics.html |
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