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View Poll Results: confine antis to opposition forum yea or nay?
Yea 16 44.44%
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Yes and define anti broadly to include all disruptors 9 25.00%
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Old June 19th, 2005 #61
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Dude! Duuuuuude! Dude, would you like a grain of salt with this bowl of fuckoff?

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Sheee-it Dude! Don't get mad at me because you're not going to be made a mod. I mean Dude! Who wants a mod who types paragraph after paragraph(oh wait, you never use paragraphs) of wearisome verbose?

Wading through your posts are the most tedious and tiresome, monotonous, irksome task I have ever had the unpleasentness to undertake. It's as if you are deliberately trying to irritate the reader.

If you really want to be made a mod then I suggest a vote of forum members is in order. I predict you will get a grand total of two votes, yours and Doppels. And I wouldn't count to much on him as before he makes any type of decision he has to read 18 books, write 6 dissertations and then consult the Oracle of Delphi.

Good luck, sweetums!
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #62
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The only thing that I can agree with THamilton about is the desire for a more serious, activist VNNF mindset. His methods though I don't agree with.
Personally, I rarely even visit Opposition, much less post there. Itz bascially the same deabtes over and over again...but I can understand that some people enjoy this one chance to take on the liberals, jews and multiculturalists without mainstream bias out in the 'real world'.

When VNNF began, it was quite chaotic - SF rejects, pseudo-intellectuals, longtime VNN readers, angry ex-Alliance members, Nordicists, Pan-Aryans, etc. - it was mostly a flame fest to an extreme degree. The free speech model that Linder set up enabled people to say and insult others (including whole other cyber forums like SF) just because they finally could. You could pretty much sum it all up as everyone blowing off longstanding steam.
After about a year, things simmered down and many of the flamers left as there was nothing else really to say.

A few more dramas ensued - Glenn Miller controversy was the rage for about 6 months (it still pops up every now and then), WR attempt at a 'hostile takeover', draco being banished because he is pretty much just an asshole, and sometimes when the phora is down the phora people come here cause a bit of trouble. I think THamilton may take these young phorarites a little too seriously.

I do prefer that VNNF be a vehicle for more serious activism, but it is also beneficial to read others thoughts and opinions. One size doesn't always fit all in this thing. The fact is that this IS the interent afterall....I mean how serious do you want to take it? If people want to be involved in projects or send in donations, fine. But you can't make them, although a little peer pressure is not such a bad thing either.
Ultimately, people will do what they want to do. You do realize you have an ignore function, right?
If I see a thread that looks like a waste of time or is just pure negativity or by people I generally do not like, I just don't click on it and read it.
No one is forcing you to read or respond to a post.
Why do you take people like Intrepid and the women so seriously anyway?

I read somewhere that THamilton was MrOustis and I always thought your essays were well thought out and productive. I do enjoy and take something from MrOustis essays.
I don't see though that you would be adding anything by being a moderator here. I don't think you've been around long enough to learn the various internet personalities and what people 'mean' by what they are writing.
The current mods let 98.5% of WNist opinion go...they still very rarely censor someone or ban them. Really, one has to literally TRY to be banned and people have done this to sort of "martyr" themselves as hero like.
So people can pretty much still say whatever they want.

THamilton, one more thing. You said in another thread that you would not be having children. This I feel is an oxymoron for any Racialist minded person. I find it in stark opposition to pretty much the whole basic tenent to Racialism - which is our biological intregrity and future.
In a way, this "choice" is part and parcel of the problem. If it is a choice. If not, then that's ok..you would be making up for your inabilities by being an activist.
But I see having children as a core aspect of this ideology which is race and biology. I think you should aim for a Eastern European peasent girl and breed with her to help further the White race's world population.
There is a plethora of Slavic women that you may like that need a non-alcoholic man with some resources like we have here in the US.
This may be a 'activist' thing that is more important than any radio show or tabloid...if you are not having children by choice than all your writings are effectively useless.
My humble opinion only.
 
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The votes are in, a whopping 88 percent would like to see antis confined to a dark hole somewhere. Me, I would like to slit their throats with my favorite knife, but you can't have everything. Will the mods confine them to the opp forum or not?

Sorry, maybe that's been answered already, but I don't want to wade through the mountain of posts if I can get a quick answer this way instead.
 
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Another closet democrat. The only thing I've ever voted for here was to see more authoritarian decision making, which we've baby stepped towards. THamilton is only positing what White Will urged us to adopt a few months ago: expunging the dilettanti to leave a core from which a nascent cadre could grow.

He and I both have an aversion to agnosticism and other compromises that enervate passion. He has fervor and he wants to get something done. Some are already attacking his motives and semantics. Pshaw.

He has the kind of Futurist energy we need if WN is ever to emulate the 8th century Islamic sweep that David Duke nearly prophesied. Like another "newbie" Brian Stone, I think he well understands that political momentum comes from righteous certainty. It's a moral, anti-rational thing. Hence the talk of a White Crusade.

He's also said if he exerts a braking effect inadvertently, then he'll have to go. There's a lot to be said for the new, improved Mr. Outis.
If anybody thinks Otis is mod material(I believe it was Intrepid who outed Outis) then I suggest they read this little gem. He is replying to AE, by the way.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.p...657#post113657

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Who is Robert Matthews?
And who said we even have a thousand ships? I'd be surprised if a dinghy floats out at low-tide with more than the back-paddle of a palm to propel it.



If you like. No, I didn't pitch in to help Matt Hale -- because I have no idea who Matt Hale is, apart from seeing his name every time I visit a WN website. Matt Hale, Chester Doles: if you think this is to prove my lack of credentials, let me help you out: I don't know the first thing about Hale, know little of Doles, and I don't care to know anything more about either. I state I have absolutely no concern for them, be they rotting in prison or stretched on a rack being pissed on by negroes. Now, would you like to know why? Whatever they are getting, they should be proud of it, because either they did something brave or they did something an inch above radar and got cut down for it: either way I respect them. You may think me juvenile for this, but would you say that, e.g., of the Celts who, when appealed to for help by the Etruscans, told the Roman ambassadors that they assumed the Romans must be brave and warlike people, because it was they the Etruscans feared? No, you'd find that very charming: but you will ridicule me for it, perhaps. So be it. The fact is this: Hale and Doles do not matter. Zündel does not matter. A thousand dead HAMAS leaders do not matter. I do not matter. You do not matter. None of us do. The only thing that matters is routing the Jew: that is my sole concern: and it should be yours as well, but a stay-at-home Mary cares more about his wife and his Five Foot Shelf of White Nationalist Books than action. I say this to you without personal malice, for I don't know you; I say it to you as though you were every lazy, self-satisfied sonofabitch who cries down others who would make Hell for the enemy, instead of making websites about making Hell to please our own ranks.



Why?



Yes, you're right about that: and one should be so lucky to end this way. I know I should envy you your wife, your domesticity, your secure path to a comfy death, which I suppose is your point of departure for condescension and presumption; but I cannot envy any of it, for we can all see that the only thing a wife, a house, and money to spend on pet projects produces, is a guy like you, who finds it easier to patronize than fraternize. What you and the others who here will insist on this notion that I am playing "Macho Man" - and your resentful rankling over this stinks, let me tell you - miss is that this has nothing to do with me: I don't speak for my own sake, to aggrandize myself, which is the very reason I use the name "Outis", as opposed to some grandiloquent bullshit like "Apollonian" or "Antiochus". You speak down to me, you ridicule me, you make a big stink over one little mention made of you, and why? Because I assert that you are a coward, that you tailor your aspirations and will to meet the determinants of your life, one and all geared toward your comfort within the 'kwa: I daresay you would even resent a rising against the 'kwa, against the Jews, because this would upset your patronizing insistence on flyering, rallies, wheatpasting, hand-holding, kitty-petting, sun-worshipping Devi-idolizing wife-loving hippie inconsequence. Moreover, this is clearly the case, for everyone can plainly see that you are bothered by what I am telling you: you resent me. You rankle, you call me a dickhead and a Macho Man, and I have repeated over and over that this is not about you or me, but about getting past our miserable personal lives and asking ourselves if we can do more than act like middle schoolers in government class playing at activism and "education". What should we do now, write messages on balloons and hope they land in the laps of white kids? No, thank you: some of us still have the balls for other tasks. I merely raise the question: are these tasks feasible? how can we go about them? etc. I raise the question to each individual, to put it to himself squarely, forgetting that it is the odious Mr. Outis who broached the subject: Am I a coward? are analysis and wheatpasting the only things to be done? are they, perhaps, rather an indication that I am cowardly and too given to other things in life? -- Mundane shit, you know, that anyone can get from ten minutes of reading Kierkegaard.
But to you, this is all "bravado" -- God! as though what I'm doing is making a show to appear 'tough' to you maries and dipshits and bigots. Why the fuck should I care how I appear to any of you? You faggots read Savitri Devi: you presume I need to prove anything to you who are so easily taken in by hacks?




PUSSY. LIMP DICK. COWARD. FAGGOT. NUMBNUTS. SACK OF SHIT. LOSER. WORTHLESS KEPT DOG OF A MAN WHO PREFERS BLOWJOBS AND TV-DINNERS TO ACTION AND TRUTH AND CAN'T TEAR HIMSELF AWAY FROM WIFEY'S KISSES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THAT HE'S FULL OF SHIT AND LIKES PATRONIZING EVERYONE ELSE AND PARROTING THAT ALL WE NEED TO DO IS EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT ALEX LINDER WILL SAVE US WE'LL ALL BE OK YOU FUCKING MACHO MAN RAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



So go whine to Alex, ok? Tell him to delete my posts. If he do, great. If he don't, you'll have cause to not forget what I done tolt you a few hours ago: that I say nothing more than what Linder himself has said on the mainpage many times.



Lay off the SoCo, old man: coherent sentences are also the rule of this forum, are they not? But look, I'll be frank again, because I know it gets you going: I don't care if this forum is taken down. Let it be taken down! Does it not always go back up? And if it doesn't? So what! What really do we have to lose at this point? It's either the end of the world or it isn't, Antiochus: che si dice? If it's the end, losing VNNF shouldn't matter to us; if it isn't, there's still hope, as you guys like telling yourselves, and it again shouldn't matter to us. Eh? what say you, Old Man? I am sitting on three crisp $20 bills that Matt Hale won't see in his lifetime: oy vey, what a penny-pinching Jew I am for saying a man should take what he gets and be proud of it!
You ninny -- go back to your lousy little wife! I guarantee you this: you have your hand cupped harder over your balls than I have mine over my wallet!
Is this really someone you want as a VNN mod?
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #65
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If anybody thinks Otis is mod material.....

Is this really someone you want as a VNN mod?
IMHO People who set themselves up as politicians, or even as wannabe Moderators ought to avoided like the plague.
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #66
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IMHO People who set themselves up as politicians, or even as wannabe Moderators ought to avoided like the plague.

I agree. It seems like every other post I have seen from this guy, he is talking about how he should be made a moderator. Strange,itz. He talks about how he wants everything on here to be more serious,etc but It would seem he just wants to play some internet power games. Kind of pathetic actually
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There you go sidestepping the issue and attacking motives again. Sure Alex didn't write this on the main page re: you?

I wasn't the one who brought up "motives" those motives were already implied in DM's post, I was just being a good girl and agreeing with a man.
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Old June 20th, 2005 #68
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Another closet democrat. The only thing I've ever voted for here was to see more authoritarian decision making, which we've baby stepped towards. THamilton is only positing what White Will urged us to adopt a few months ago: expunging the dilettanti to leave a core from which a nascent cadre could grow.
It will happen. Slow going at the moment, but it will pick up.

I am always amazed by the insistence on democratic procedure; seeing "what others have to say" is usually the quickest way of going nowhere in solving problems. I understand that White Nationalism is, for the most part, in essence an American creed, thus carrying a considerable degree of nostalgia for democracy [—Macchiavelli: a people that has once been exposed to freedom will never forget it], but I cannot consider myself democratic for as long as we are concerned with petty matters. At present the only relevant criterion is Linder's opinion of me and whether he feels I can be trusted; and really, when he has time to bother with this. You will see in the meantime a handful of people yelping in fear lest someone ruin their childish games, as though VNN is or should be Fiumi in the days of dannunzian rule. And because I want to put the lid on a few girls, I become the tyrant waiting to happen. Kinda pathetic really—I shoulda quoted some out of context remark in my sig, that's the way to go. Smirk.

"Futurist energy" is a great phrase. Ultimately we want something that can, in addition to more practical matters, shatter the stereotype of "hick" White Nationalism - pace hick WNs - and maybe others, "Hessian" or skin, or just the circus atmosphere obtaining here. Certain people are a drain on the precious dynamism at work in other individuals—a dynamism which would be best served by pruning the ranks and promoting a more serious aspect. A few guys I know have told me that VNN is "a big joke", which is of course true in that Linder is a big joker who happens to be armed with the Truth, but insofar as it pushes away these spirits, the image should be destroyed. The spirit of fun for the innocent—the spirit of gravity for the initiated.

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He's also said if he exerts a braking effect inadvertently, then he'll have to go. There's a lot to be said for the new, improved Mr. Outis.
My sincerest thanks—for all your support. You were even more gracious than Brutus, who described me as a "bright misogynistic sociopath".
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #69
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If anybody thinks Otis is mod material(I believe it was Intrepid who outed Outis)
Your belief is wrong. I made this known to AE a week ago, as you can verify if you search my posts (but given your short attention span in anything but slander, you will probably not find it), so I assume Intrepid took his cue from that. If however he guessed or had other information, so what? why are you nuzzling up to Intrepid? You make it seem as though I was "hiding" and needed "outing". In fact, Linder dubbed me "Thomas Hamilton" when I submitted a response to Apollonian—as he has renamed a few characters who stirred up the pond a bit. I am convinced that the pieces on Lukashenko and the French vote were by Von Boffmeister, for example.

You're right, that thread is a gem—it was exceedingly well written. But you are making yourself a real nuisance. Why? what is at stake for you? and what is your aim in posting that entire response? reviving bad blood? It ain't there, for my part. I myself am a married man as it were, so I might as well go read that whole thing off in the mirror!

What this boils down to for me is creating a cadre of "necessaries" who can, at some point, dispense entirely with ad hominem attacks and the like, focussing on other matters. The presence of "antis" begs one to sling mud and have mud 'slung' at one. Shaw wrote that you teach men the way you clean horses, by scalding them; but the only way to purify raw human material is by boiling it and boiling it again, distilling the salt.
 
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I am always amazed by the insistence on democratic procedure; seeing "what others have to say" is usually the quickest way of going nowhere in solving problems.
People like you(or at least how you seem to be) are amusing in that you seem to want to believe that only your opinions matter. It sounds pretty arrogant, but I tend to think it is actually the opposite. It says a lot about how strongly, you truly believe in your opinions if you are completely unwilling to look at anyone else's
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After about a year, things simmered down and many of the flamers left as there was nothing else really to say.
That is still a problem, really, and on even the main forum among "pros". Someone will post an article, someone else will make the same outraged remarks as always, and the thread will string itself out for days.

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I think THamilton may take these young phorarites a little too seriously.
Not really, I simply don't see the point of letting people come here to cause trouble. "Thoughts and opinions" are pretty common, you ask for one and you get a bushel of the same. I have to drop the insistence on "hearing people out", hearing their precious and unique "thoughts and opinions" - which in most cases seems to be code for mere advocatus diaboli - in the leftist rhetoric trashbin. Of course I am not calling you a Leftist, only alleging that the insistence on "thoughts and opinions", which are fine if of real value, makes us tread water if the principle is generalized into that paralysis of conscience which accomodates even the most hostile opinion because it wants always to be "fair".

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I read somewhere that THamilton was MrOustis and I always thought your essays were well thought out and productive. I do enjoy and take something from MrOustis essays..
Thank you, but I don't think I've ever written anything really good. Nothing that would grab someone by the shoulders and give them that existential jolt which some of us have experienced.

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I don't think you've been around long enough to learn the various internet personalities and what people 'mean' by what they are writing.
You are probably right to an extent, but I would be focussing on such types as "womyn", sycophants, obnoxious borderliners, incessant mockers and hecklers, anyone caught speaking of "oral sex" or "lesbians" or any other vile practice in a positive manner, and any Iranian or Asian trash I stumble across along the way.

And to conclude, as always, with the injunction to find some tail and mate mate mate: I disagree, as you know. I do not believe we can Baron Münchhausen our way out of the swamp of decline by picking through this rather mythical "plethora" of Eastern European women - who do no doubt loathe drink and require a man with considerable resources - and having a few tots each. Apart from the varying functional worth of each WN, there are a dozen other problems with this hopeful scenario: what about breakups and custody battles, to name one? The problem here is abstracting one phenomenon - the growth of population - from its evolutionary context: freedom to grow. No matter how unfree we become, I suspect the pretty idea that all we have to do is keep breeding will persist. The pool of racially-aware whites is small enough: how much smaller is the pool of breeders? The only way this could work outside of natural morphology is under explicit governmental direction, as in the Reich. Our government throws money at untermenschen to breed, breed, breed; we cannot match it. You may be limitlessly fond of white phenotypes - as am I - but you must not assume your fondness corresponds to the situation. I would love to find some pretty Slavic girl and have a dozen spawn and I would teach every one of them a dead language apiece - Tocharian, Latin, Avestan, Hittite, Akkadian - but really, this is not necessary. We ourselves have to abandon these pleasant thoughts and become more grim, more willing to take risks and be ugly. I am a hundred times more fond of the thought that every year fresh crops of jobless, frustrated young men are birthed by the "system", than the rather torturous thought of when I myself will get some good tail. I still hold to this: The less one has to live for, the more damage one can inflict if the potential is harnessed and directed. But I recognize the value of all action in favor of increasing white self-consciousness and for this task most of us are useful.
 
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Things are getting very circle jerkish and clubhousy around here, I don't want to miss a chance to eliminate the dross.
Again, it depends on Linder's assessment of me. A few people have said that the present moderators are doing a good job, but actually I have seen most of them, at one time or another, say that they simply don't have the time to moderate much. I do. It is nothing to me to ban a few idiots & antis and close a bunch of worthless threads. Half the people decrying this vision now will thank me when it is done, or at least note the change for the better. And if they don't, fuck them.
 
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As in every other case, you miss the point. There are levels of opinion and discussion. We must move beyond a certain level of opinion and discussion and find out who can follow us upward. If we have to tolerate every week some new anti or woman coming in and bringing us down to the level of "but is it really the jews?" or "but don't you think women are just as valuable as men?", we'll never become more refined as a group. (For this reason I would create a "newbie" forum to accomodate the genuine newbies who need some real-time encouragement, and anyone established could feel free to take up the task.)

Also, this is "not about opinion" for another reason: in every group are those who seek to climb and step on others to do it. My only reason for wanting to do so is that those I'd be stepping on would begin with you, so real comrades can have a real WN forum. That is my only goal, as far as the forum. All I want to do aside from that is pass out TAA, meet Cobb at Yorktown, write a few essays and move out of this shithole. The future from that point on is, as the Magic 8-Ball used to say, "unclear".

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People like you(or at least how you seem to be) are amusing in that you seem to want to believe that only your opinions matter. It sounds pretty arrogant, but I tend to think it is actually the opposite. It says a lot about how strongly, you truly believe in your opinions if you are completely unwilling to look at anyone else's
 
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Your belief is wrong. I made this known to AE a week ago, as you can verify if you search my posts ..........
You're right, that thread is a gem—it was exceedingly well written. But you are making yourself a real nuisance. Why? what is at stake for you? and what is your aim in posting that entire response? reviving bad blood? It ain't there, for my part. I myself am a married man as it were, so I might as well go read that whole thing off in the mirror!

What this boils down to for me is creating a cadre of "necessaries" who can, at some point, dispense entirely with ad hominem attacks and the like, focussing on other matters. The presence of "antis" begs one to sling mud and have mud 'slung' at one. Shaw wrote that you teach men the way you clean horses, by scalding them; but the only way to purify raw human material is by boiling it and boiling it again, distilling the salt.
Outis/TH is a great writer, extremely knowledgeable, and getting moving on activism. I don't have any problem with him at all. Happy he's back.

Sometimes people get impatient. Part of my volunteer job here is to draw a line about certain legalities not based on what we would like but based on what the law is. The purpose of which is to use 99-100% of our First Amendment Free speech rights in our pro-White political struggle, but not cross the line and thereby take down the whole board. If somebody gets impatient and strays into certain specifics, we will have to draw some bright and clear lines, and ask that people not cross them.

As for culling the herd, we've thinned it out, and Chain has thinned it out a little as of late, for which I'm grateful. Maybe we'll trim some more fat. I'm not telling other mods what to do, nor can I. We all have the same level of "powers" and within the limited directives that Alex has given us I think we do a good job in a collegial fashion. So if members go too far astray of some guidelines, and a mod cuts you, dont whine to any other mod because we wont be divided. Anyhow, back to cullings. Do we take it down to the bone? My thought is closer perhaps but not radically so and here is why (I refer to the alleged dead weight as "ballast"):

1) the ballast serves to attract newbies with their chatter and entertain. If we get 2 or 3 activists for 100 new registrations that eventually go dormant, it's a gain for us. Whereas, too much squelching will run the risk of whittling this too far down to the choir. VNN's liberal mod policies have been a big factor in attracting lively conversations both for good and for bad. The net result has been good for VNN.

2) the ballast serves to confuse and conceal the better conversations that go on here. The dipshit antis and would-be censors of the ADL/SPLC and that ilk are less perceptive than one might think. These better conversations are not about unlawful activities. But, they are often about important directions and decisions to be taken. A little bit of fog here is a good thing especially for those whose eyes are sharp enough to see through it. Meanwhile we all get used to the idea of the bad guys reading our comments as if in an open book. The day is coming folks when your First amendment will be even more curtailed than it is, and part of the project is to set up a practice area for learning to communicate what you need to in a way that won't cause the roof to fall in on you.

3) the ballast adds buzz. if all the phoramites come here to chatter and then they go out and repeat the words and domain name "vnn" etc., they go good for us even if they are saying bad things. buzz, will on occasion attract a new person worth having. so there is a deliberate choice to allow a certain measure of dissent and complaining and disrespect towards mods that would not be tolerated almost anywhere else, simply because we think it suits our objectives. the minute we think otherwise, we'll act accordingly.

4) As for adding mods, that is only up to Alex. If he asked me, I would say do not add any mods at all until they are personally known to you and you have verified as much personal information as you need to be sure that they are both on our side and are completely reliable. But, I am extremely risk averse. Which is part of the reason I didnt want to be a mod in the first place! lol. Anyhow, unfortunately in the past we thought we had that with the forum host but then there was the hijack. the hijack was bad, but it was not the worst it could have been that is for sure. Tom88 and them helped out at a critical time, and I'm thankful for that. Certainly, they made their position clear, and in a way which I thought was excessive. However, it certainly could have been worse. That is water under the bridge, and I dont have anything else bad to say about them at this time. I mention it only to point out that adding moderators can be a perilous venture for a board such of this. In the end, Alex is the judge of that not us. This is his forum and we are all volunteers.
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #75
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...the ballast adds buzz...
In that case, I want to place an order for a McBallast
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Old June 20th, 2005 #76
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In that case, I want to place an order for a McBallast
You are the designated jester KLM and have by example marked the outer limit of tomfoolery that will be tolerated. Which is less than it used to be. And will be even less as time goes by. Out of respect for your ten percent of posts that show profound insight we tolerate the chaff.
 
Old June 20th, 2005 #77
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THamilton makes some points that probably should be addressed, to avoid confusion of focus of this board. "No Jews Just Right" is forthright but can be vague in some respects.

For example, New Nation News was criticized a while back. In my opinion, any org that works against jewish interests and/or for white interests should be considered an ally of any org that considers it white nationalist.

Right now, only a small fraction of whites consider themselves WN. Of WN's, VNN is a smaller subset, a bit more hardcore on the political plane.

Seems to me once white nationalism becomes a substantial political movement then that would be the time to hone the ideology. I'm not suggesting that VNN should disregard core principles.
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Old June 20th, 2005 #78
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As in every other case, you miss the point. There are levels of opinion and discussion. We must move beyond a certain level of opinion and discussion and find out who can follow us upward. If we have to tolerate every week some new anti or woman coming in and bringing us down to the level of "but is it really the jews?" or "but don't you think women are just as valuable as men?", we'll never become more refined as a group. (For this reason I would create a "newbie" forum to accomodate the genuine newbies who need some real-time encouragement, and anyone established could feel free to take up the task.
I don't neccessarily disagree, but there are quite a few threads on here that bash (white) women, do you expect no one to ever react to this? As I have said before how do you think some of these things that get said may look to white women who may look at this website. Do you not think that is going to turn them off? Why would you want to turn away white women who may be racially aware? If you are simply seeking a "club" of angry white males who also agree on everything all of the time then I don't even know what to say, but good luck to you.

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My only reason for wanting to do so is that those I'd be stepping on would begin with you, so real comrades can have a real WN forum. ".
LOL. I will give that an 8 for attempt at comedy.
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Old June 20th, 2005 #79
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If we have to tolerate every week some new anti or woman coming in
I am still not sure if you're a troll. Probably not, I think you're serious.
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Old June 20th, 2005 #80
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Why would you want to turn away white women who may be racially aware?
Look, it can go two ways—the way it is or the way we would prefer it be. VNN is at root too masculine for females, no less than a soldiers encampment, and that is why to "tone it down" for your sake is actually emasculating. Better to tone you down than ourselves on this minor point. We don't need "snow bunnies". We need a dozen Brian Stones.
 
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