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Old October 26th, 2014 #1
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GLOUCESTER, Va. – Neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe, a former boxer who billed himself in the ring as “The Aryan Barbarian,” took a dive today, publicly forfeiting his title as chairman of the National Alliance (NA), once America’s leading hate group.

After being pummeled for nearly a year by a band of disgruntled former NA members seeking to knock him out of power with a $2 million civil lawsuit, accusing him of “a myriad of instances of malfeasance, misfeasance, illegalities and irregularities,” Gliebe essentially told the Gloucester County Circuit Court judge presiding at a status hearing for the case “no mas” and announced he had quit the neo-Nazi group he has led for 12 years.

“I have resigned all my positions with the National Alliance,” Gliebe told the court, standing at the defense table in a black suit and blue shirt. “I am no longer director or chairman.”

It was, however, a split decision for Gliebe’s bitter courtroom opponents, a gang of six who call themselves the National Alliance Reform & Restoration Group, or NARRG.

While Gliebe stepped down as NARRG had desperately wanted, he handed over control of the West Virginia-based NA not to them but to William (Will) W. Williams, a gray-haired, retired Army Special Forces operator and a former NA official. Williams and Kevin Strom, a broadcast engineer and convicted child porn enthusiast with a long history on the racist right, had been competing with the NARRG Nazis for the keys to what’s left of the evil empire founded by William Pierce, a one-time physics professor and author of The Turner Diaries, the novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing. Gliebe took over as the anointed successor to Pierce when he died unexpectedly in 2002.

Gliebe’s announcement and the 66-year-old Williams’ ascension to the tarnished throne seemed to catch NARRG by surprise.

“This is the first time I’ve heard Mr. Gliebe is no longer the chairman,” NARRG’s lawyer, Daniel A. Harvill, told the court.

At one point during the 30-minute hearing, the judge asked Harvill, “What is the nature of this business” the two sides were fighting over?

“It’s a European-centric political organization,” Harvill said, adding, “I wouldn’t call it a white supremacist organization.”

After the hearing in which Gliebe was ordered to produce membership information and other documents to NARRG, Harvill declined to comment about the lawsuit or Gliebe’s announcement. NARRG’s most prominent members — Jim Ring, a longtime NA unit leader from California who resigned from the group in 2012, and Sanders Pierce, the brother of the founder — were not in the courtroom. The only member of NARRG to appear today was Brian Wilson. He left without comment or any indication whether or not NARGG intended to continue its lawsuit.

But as the two sides filed out of the courtroom, Williams introduced himself to Harvill and Wilson as “Will Williams, the new chairman.”

Gliebe’s announcement ended a tumultuous dozen years since he took the reins of the organization that then had some 1,400 members, 17 full-time salaried national staff members and an income of close to $1 million a year in dues and earnings from its neo-Nazi music label, Resistance Records. Gliebe’s lack of charisma, his authoritarian and ham-handed management style, his fondness for strippers (including his wife, who has since left him), and his financial bungling led to a series of splits, resignations and public attacks on Gliebe by his ostensible followers. The group went from being highly respected by the radical right in the United States and Europe to being something of a joke, with Resistance Records virtually out of business and NA membership down to fewer than 100 people.

The latest blow to Gliebe’s NA came this June, when a Canadian judge struck down a bequest worth an estimated $220,000 that was left to it by a Canadian NA member. That money might have helped put the NA under Gliebe back on track, but the judge ruled that allowing it to go to a neo-Nazi group was a violation of Canadian law and public policy. Gliebe’s lawyer in that case filed an appeal of the verdict that is still pending.

Gliebe resisted calls for his resignation for years, and engaged in a series of maneuvers to keep his enemies from power. But the number of people loyal to him or even willing to abide him as leader kept shrinking. Ring and the others who comprised NARRG, on the other hand, were respected by a great many former NA members, with many seeing Ring as the best candidate for leader. But Williams, known as a hard-liner even on the neo-Nazi scene, was also highly respected among many NA members and others on the radical right.

Outside of the red brick courthouse today, Gliebe told Hatewatch that he resigned to spend more time with his young son. “The best way to care for him is to be out of the Alliance,” he said, adding that he had been thinking about resigning for some time.

Gliebe said he turned over the chairmanship of the Alliance to Williams at the group’s last board meeting but declined to provide any details of the meeting. “I handed the Alliance over to Mr. Williams because I thought he was the best man for the job,” Gliebe said. “I think he’s the most knowledgeable. He’s not a cultist.”

Williams, who was dressed in jeans and a gray shirt, stood next to Gliebe in the Virginia sunshine and told Hatewatch that there was no need for the lawsuit to continue. “Their demand was for Erich Gliebe to step down and put the Alliance under new leadership,” Williams said. “That’s what we’ve done. We’ve met their demands.”

read full article at source: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/1...ance-chairman/
 
Old October 28th, 2014 #2
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GLOUCESTER, Va. – Neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe, a former boxer who billed himself in the ring as “The Aryan Barbarian,” took a dive today, publicly forfeiting his title as chairman of the National Alliance (NA), once America’s leading hate group.

After being pummeled for nearly a year by a band of disgruntled former NA members seeking to knock him out of power with a $2 million civil lawsuit, accusing him of “a myriad of instances of malfeasance, misfeasance, illegalities and irregularities,” Gliebe essentially told the Gloucester County Circuit Court judge presiding at a status hearing for the case “no mas” and announced he had quit the neo-Nazi group he has led for 12 years.

“I have resigned all my positions with the National Alliance,” Gliebe told the court, standing at the defense table in a black suit and blue shirt. “I am no longer director or chairman.”

It was, however, a split decision for Gliebe’s bitter courtroom opponents, a gang of six who call themselves the National Alliance Reform & Restoration Group, or NARRG.

While Gliebe stepped down as NARRG had desperately wanted, he handed over control of the West Virginia-based NA not to them but to William (Will) W. Williams, a gray-haired, retired Army Special Forces operator and a former NA official. Williams and Kevin Strom, a broadcast engineer and convicted child porn enthusiast with a long history on the racist right, had been competing with the NARRG Nazis for the keys to what’s left of the evil empire founded by William Pierce, a one-time physics professor and author of The Turner Diaries, the novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing. Gliebe took over as the anointed successor to Pierce when he died unexpectedly in 2002.

Gliebe’s announcement and the 66-year-old Williams’ ascension to the tarnished throne seemed to catch NARRG by surprise.

“This is the first time I’ve heard Mr. Gliebe is no longer the chairman,” NARRG’s lawyer, Daniel A. Harvill, told the court.

At one point during the 30-minute hearing, the judge asked Harvill, “What is the nature of this business” the two sides were fighting over?

“It’s a European-centric political organization,” Harvill said, adding, “I wouldn’t call it a white supremacist organization.”

After the hearing in which Gliebe was ordered to produce membership information and other documents to NARRG, Harvill declined to comment about the lawsuit or Gliebe’s announcement. NARRG’s most prominent members — Jim Ring, a longtime NA unit leader from California who resigned from the group in 2012, and Sanders Pierce, the brother of the founder — were not in the courtroom. The only member of NARRG to appear today was Brian Wilson. He left without comment or any indication whether or not NARGG intended to continue its lawsuit.

But as the two sides filed out of the courtroom, Williams introduced himself to Harvill and Wilson as “Will Williams, the new chairman.”

Gliebe’s announcement ended a tumultuous dozen years since he took the reins of the organization that then had some 1,400 members, 17 full-time salaried national staff members and an income of close to $1 million a year in dues and earnings from its neo-Nazi music label, Resistance Records. Gliebe’s lack of charisma, his authoritarian and ham-handed management style, his fondness for strippers (including his wife, who has since left him), and his financial bungling led to a series of splits, resignations and public attacks on Gliebe by his ostensible followers. The group went from being highly respected by the radical right in the United States and Europe to being something of a joke, with Resistance Records virtually out of business and NA membership down to fewer than 100 people.

The latest blow to Gliebe’s NA came this June, when a Canadian judge struck down a bequest worth an estimated $220,000 that was left to it by a Canadian NA member. That money might have helped put the NA under Gliebe back on track, but the judge ruled that allowing it to go to a neo-Nazi group was a violation of Canadian law and public policy. Gliebe’s lawyer in that case filed an appeal of the verdict that is still pending.

Gliebe resisted calls for his resignation for years, and engaged in a series of maneuvers to keep his enemies from power. But the number of people loyal to him or even willing to abide him as leader kept shrinking. Ring and the others who comprised NARRG, on the other hand, were respected by a great many former NA members, with many seeing Ring as the best candidate for leader. But Williams, known as a hard-liner even on the neo-Nazi scene, was also highly respected among many NA members and others on the radical right.

Outside of the red brick courthouse today, Gliebe told Hatewatch that he resigned to spend more time with his young son. “The best way to care for him is to be out of the Alliance,” he said, adding that he had been thinking about resigning for some time.

Gliebe said he turned over the chairmanship of the Alliance to Williams at the group’s last board meeting but declined to provide any details of the meeting. “I handed the Alliance over to Mr. Williams because I thought he was the best man for the job,” Gliebe said. “I think he’s the most knowledgeable. He’s not a cultist.”

Williams, who was dressed in jeans and a gray shirt, stood next to Gliebe in the Virginia sunshine and told Hatewatch that there was no need for the lawsuit to continue. “Their demand was for Erich Gliebe to step down and put the Alliance under new leadership,” Williams said. “That’s what we’ve done. We’ve met their demands.”

read full article at source: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/1...ance-chairman/
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Old November 5th, 2014 #4
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Outside of the red brick courthouse today, Gliebe told Hatewatch that he resigned to spend more time with his young son. “The best way to care for him is to be out of the Alliance,” he said, adding that he had been thinking about resigning for some time.
Translation: There is nothing of any value left to sell off. The Canadian windfall fell through, and he can't sell the NA property itself because he hasn't paid the property taxes in years.

Hopefully, they won't try and revive the Youth Division of the NA. That could be problematic. Just saying.
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Old November 5th, 2014 #5
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Regardless of what one thinks of Will White Williams and his associate, the long overdue resignation of Erich Gliebe as National Alliance chairman has to be considered as a positive development.

I can visualize Dr. Pierce gazing down on Midgard from the Hall of the Immortals and breathing a sigh of relief.

There are still many rough days ahead for the Piercist movement as various internal contradictions and problems are resolved, but at least things are moving in the right direction.

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Old November 8th, 2014 #8
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Interesting read: http://www.narrg.com/2014/11/additio...court-hearing/

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(A collaborative joint research and writing effort between Brian Wilson- Legal Liaison and other NARRG Team Members)

This is an updated analysis and further commentary on NARRG’s successful Second Court Hearing on Oct 24, 2014 attended by this writer (Brian Wilson), Gliebe and not so surprisingly Will Williams, as can be seen by his recent posting on one of his affiliated blog spots. There he states: “Mr. Gliebe reached out to me for advice, which I gave to him. That was back in January of this year.” Further on he then states: “… now that Gliebe has satisfied their (NARRG’s) demands for him to name a successor, I’m certainly not going to turn over any of the sensitive Alliance membership and financial records that I’ve inherited from Mr. Gliebe.”

So all along since almost the start of NARRG’s filing on the lawsuit on Jan 2, 2014, Mr. Williams has been in active communication with Gliebe, as this is stated as such in Williams own posting. Looking back at one of Williams’ previous postings from a forum, in regards to Gliebe’s ill handling of the NA, Williams stated earlier: “What has Gliebe won, exactly? The privilege of having to look over his (Gliebe’s) shoulder the rest of his life, waiting for retribution for having hijacked the Alliance and driven it into the ground? Some winner. He (Gliebe) actually believes he can convert Alliance assets for his own personal use with impunity. That’s treason in the eyes of many.”

One may ask, so if Mr. Williams previously believed that Gliebe was in it for the money illicitly and NARRG will attempt in Court to prove this was illegally done, then why the apparently sudden turn in Williams opinion of Gliebe, if in fact they were not all along working with each other since the beginning in some type of collusion?One may also note that the NARRG lawsuit is not just against Gliebe only, but against all three NA board members, and the proper effectual control of the NA.

No one yet mentions that Jayne Cartwright apparently has not yet resigned, nor even intends to resign. So one of NARRG’s goals of changing the entire NA board to one that Dr. Pierce would approve of has not yet been achieved, as it appears Cartwright has not resigned, and we do not know who will be the other board members (Kevin Strom perhaps if Williams has his way?).

As Williams purportedly proclaims that he has copies of NARRG’s lawsuit against Gliebe and company and the NA, he can plainly see that NARRG’s lawsuit is not just about Gliebe handing over control to some accomplice, but also is to seek Justice for hijacking the assets of the NA for Gliebe’s own personal peccadilloes. How else does Williams expect financial impropriety, malfeasance, potential criminal theft (if that can be proven), etc., if the Court does not have access to the NA financial records?

Now that Williams claims that he has all of the NA financial records, is he and his associate Mr. Strom going to exert the hands of justice so that Gliebe gets his day in Court and thus the wrath of legal justice? Or is Williams now going to forget all that and let Gliebe slide back into obscurity unscathed by his personal damage he has done to the NA?

In the past, Dr. Pierce was not shy about using the legal system whether for purposes such as incorporating his organization, nor appealing a lawsuit that went against his favor. Nor is Mr. Williams not shy about using the legal system to right what he considered was wrong. So how does Williams expect Gliebe to be forced to give over control of the NA and the NA documents, unless an enforced means such as a lawsuit verdict against him is hanging over his head?

One must note here that Williams and Strom resigned from the NA a decade ago, and thus could never get legal standing to even successfully attempt to file a lawsuit. If it were not for NARRG’s relentless legal proceedings, Gliebe would still be in control of the NA, and Williams would be just hunkering down at his private Tennessee mountain home, instead of his current fancy for taking on interviews with the SPLC.

Williams also in a published comment on one of his blog spots claims that by the use of NARRG’s civil lawsuit complaint against the board members of the NA, that NARRG intends to use the dissolution action supposedly for nefarious reasons. Williams is here disingenuous to say the least in attempting to personally persuade NARRG to follow his legal ill-advice. Williams expects NARRG to dump one of its several legal tools that provide extra enhanced leverage during the discovery process which Gliebe has repeatedly tried to circumvent.

Yet now Williams’s states will do the same evasive maneuvers in order to disregard the October 24, 2014 Court order signed by the Judge compelling them and the NA Corporation to turn over the subpoenaed documents and comply with the oral deposition. Note that the dissolution action can be dropped by NARRG at any time and gives NARRG enhanced capability for enforcement of the discovery process of both the defendants and also the Corporation of which Williams now claims he is in control of.

Several misleading and erroneous comments have been circulating about NAARG’s attorney and NARRG Team Members since the first hearing in April. One example is that of Williams claim that NARRG’s attorney at the first hearing stated that he thinks the NA’s views are repugnant. As I (Brian Wilson) was there at this first hearing, while Williams was not, let me categorically deny that false allegation. NARRG’s attorney stated that he did not agree with the NA’s views. He did not say that the NA views are repugnant. Let it be known that beside the Court officials, the NARRG plaintiffs, and Gliebe, Maziarka and Cartwright as defendants, there were no others present inside the Courtroom at the first hearing.

Thus any rumors or allegations purportedly made by Williams, or others, either in the past or future can only come from one of the three defendants, most likely Gliebe, as Williams nor anyone else were not present at the first hearing. If Williams wants to perpetuate undocumented false comments purportedly made at the hearing, let it be known that others will judge the validity of those comments based upon the trustworthiness and reputation of those sources making these misleading and erroneous statements.

Williams claims that he is now the NA chairman yet according to the Commonwealth of Virginia State Corporation Commission online records as of November 7, 2014, (two weeks after this purported changing of command at the NA), no such filing of change in officer has yet been filed. Thus one could possibly surmise that Gliebe is just pulling the wool over the eyes of NA current and former members, and presenting a charade of appearance of resigning, while it may very be that Gliebe has not resigned and may even have no intention to do so, unless he is forced to.

One may also wonder why would Gliebe turn over control of the lawsuit to an outside third party interest, such as Williams? If he does so, then what would prevent Williams from not throwing Gliebe under the bus and leak out damning evidence of potential financial impropriety previously performed by Gliebe, which would then ensure Gliebe to lose in Court?

On the other hand, if Gliebe is still legally in control, despite all such protestations and proclaiming by Williams who at this point may not legally be in control, then Gliebe can continue to control the flow of information and documents according to his own pleasure. Even if NARRG goes to trial and Gliebe who personally is being sued as a defendant, along with the NA corporation itself (with someone representing the current controlling office such as Williams), then the world will see if in fact whether Gliebe is bluffing and blowing smoke and whether Williams is playing a poker game of deceit. That all remains yet to be proven.

Note that Gliebe was not being questioned as a witness under oath, when he stated during the Court hearing that he was stepping down. Also note that at that time he did not say who was the new chairman, he remained silent on that issue. As this was legally off the Courts records, then he is not bound to go forth and resign. In addition, there is nothing preventing him from at any time being reappointed back to the chairman’s position.

Yet Williams comments made during the day of the hearing was after the Court hearing was adjourned. In addition it was made outside of the Court chambers, where neither the Judge nor the Court staffs were not present. One can make bold statements and proclamations, but it remains to be seen if this is legally binding, as no legal evidence has as yet been submitted by anyone.

The lawsuit continues to go on, even though the purported wrinkle of Williams may be in the mix, NARRG’s plan is still the same, and does not significantly change the legal game plan, for NARRG’s goal to have legitimate, ethical and morally responsible officers in charge of the NA. Williams purportedly now coming on board does not clean the slate. NARRG will continue on to trial with the goal of winning over both Gliebe and the Corporations officers (whoever may or may not be appointed by Gliebe to take his place in interim status or such). The fact remains that Gliebe is still on the hook regardless of who is now in command, and if Williams is now such that person, he now inherits part of Gliebe’s legal mess.

Williams and Strom have a dubious past, and their past performance in professionally running a corporation is questionable to say the least. Can Williams or Storm state one business or organization that they have led, or managed as either managers or officers? Some say that neither Williams (age 66) nor Strom (age 58) are presently gainfully employed. In the case of Strom one of his websites accessed 11/05/14 states “I’m looking for work”, while a web based biography of Williams states that “Williams dropped out of the workforce as a taxpayer in 1985, becoming a ‘starving artist’ and a full-time political activist.”

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Supposed Tennessee office building construction (12/28/13)

One may ponder, if in fact Williams has indeed not had a paying job since 1985, is he getting some type of monthly U.S. government check or other type of outside support for all of these years? Also one may wonder where did he get the money to construct the large building structure in Tennessee shown in one of his several websites, if in fact he is a self-proclaimed ‘starving artist’?

What have they done since, what are their qualifications if any? If they want to publicly refute their past lack of employment history, then NA existing and former members would like to see their past track records. Without such proven history of success, they are unqualified for the job. Gliebe states that Williams is the most knowledgeable person to take over the NA, but note that is coming from a person (Gliebe) who himself has a proven track record of over 10 years of being unqualified. Yet, it is reported that Dr. Pierce himself in 1997 forced Williams to resign due to Williams using NA resources for his own personal legal issues.

Williams implies that if NARRG gets Court documents that membership information will be revealed. He does not answer the rebuttal of NARRG’s attorney to Gliebe’s same claim made at the hearing. Membership information can remain sealed and confidential in Court. Under Gliebe’s management partial membership lists of a few chapters have leaked out. In addition Gliebe himself has purported leaked out membership information to employers or in the case of former NA board member Kitty Molz threatened to reveal her NA membership to her then current employer.

Katherine Molz Resignation Letter
Katherine Molz Affidavit 1
Katherine Molz Affidavit 2

In regards to the subject of membership security, it should be noted that due to insufficient security at the national office level, the membership list has several times been exposed to others by disgruntled employees who left Gliebe’s service. At least one of Williams’ current allies is among these people. Gliebe never took the precautions necessary to protect the membership rolls. Many times members found themselves recipients of mail from competing groups as well as exposition to the public from political enemies due to lack of proper security measures. If NARRG wins control of the NA then proper administrative and security measures to prevent these breaches from happening would be enacted and enforced, unlike what occurred during the carefree, slipshod Gliebe regime.

One should also wonder about one’s confidentiality when dealing with either Gliebe and/or Strom due to their purported use of routinely recording their phone conversations with others (which in some states is illegal). In the case of Strom this has been publicly revealed via published Internet sources. In the case of Gliebe this has confirmed by two separate independent individuals. Thus one should exercise extreme caution when in communication with either of these two individuals.

Due to Strom’s legal predicament, it is purported that anyone corresponding to him can possibly have their computers confiscated by government authorities, so why would anyone wishing to keep their confidentiality put themselves as risk by having Williams right hand man being associated with the NA? Strom is under supervised probation due to his particular type of criminal conviction. Yes, authorities can come and take his computer and/or scan its contents anytime they wish without warrant or legal process. The condition of his probation may also possibly allow authorities to access computers of those who communicate with Strom.

Williams’ up until recently had a well-documented friendship with Frazier Glenn Miller, the two-time government informer and mass murderer. As a result of that friendship, Mr. Miller was Williams’ mouthpiece on a Pro-White Forum as Williams was banned from posting there. It was quite hypocritical of Gliebe at the first hearing in front of the Judge to falsely claim NARRG to be like Miller, when at the second hearing Gliebe verbally resigns in front of the Judge and then purportedly appoints a friend of Miller, Mr. Williams to be his successor.

Membership in a new NA by necessity needs to be radically improved and more stringent. Both Williams and Strom wouldn’t even be qualified to be members let alone participate as in a leadership position. High profile officers of the NA cannot have damaging baggage in their personal and professional lives, caused by reported and documented bad behavior, etc.. The image of the NA and those representing it must be cleaned up in order to survive the scrutiny it will get from potential new member recruits who are looking for an honest and respectable organization to join.

For one thing NARRG wouldn’t allow membership for anyone who has documented mental disorder or instability. Also anyone with a freewill admission of possession of child pornography and/or conviction for any type of sex crime would be shunned from our society; especially so the nature of Mr. Strom’s admission, and probation in Pennsylvania.

In conclusion, upon information and belief, the following points are only a few examples of what can be made summarized from what we now know and/or suspect about what some may have alluded to be some sort of Gliebe- Williams- Strom cabal:
  1. Whereas if Gliebe stayed in command he could potentially settle before trial, thus avoiding the courtroom proceedings. In doing so, this would allow the NA to clean house and also allow proper management for the NA via the NARRG team.
  2. If on the other hand, Williams is legally in charge, then the lawsuit may likely proceed to trial, with nothing changed for Gliebe except he won’t have the power to stop the trial by settling and thus will be forced into the witness stand.
  3. Going to trial on a positive note will flush out the full and true nature of Williams & Gliebe’s business connections. (Gliebe on the witness stand may be anxious to have his revenge on Williams for forcing him into trial.)
  4. Strom’s supervised probation due to his particular type of criminal conviction is a serious liability for any respectable organization. Authorities can come and take his computer and/or scan its contents anytime they wish without warrant or legal process. The condition of his probation may also possibly allow authorities to access computers of those who communicate with Strom.
  5. Membership in a new NA by necessity needs to be radically improved and more stringent. Both Williams and Strom wouldn’t even be qualified to be members, let alone participate as in a leadership position. In Strom’s case, no one with a freewill admission and/or conviction for any type of sex crime would be shunned from our society; especially so the nature of Mr. Strom’s admission.
  6. Now that there is published written proof of collusions between Gliebe and Williams, since at least January 2014, Gliebe’s silence on Williams and Strom using the NA’s trademarks, service mark, other assets, etc. can be considered by some to be a conspiracy.
  7. By Williams publically stating to this writer and NARRG’s attorney that he intends to not hand over any NA documents, Williams is thus in effect making a concentrated effort to try to protect Gliebe from potential future prosecution and possible further punitive legal actions.
  8. By Williams publicly stating on his weblog thread that he has carefully positioned himself for this purported change in NA control to himself, can one possibly with some conviction believe that Williams is potentially alluding to himself now taking on the role of a crook, similar to what has been purportedly alleged against Gliebe?
  9. There are others items not summarized here, that the readers can come to a conclusion for themselves.
 
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Seems like you are trying to try the case here, rather than in
ZOG's courts, Mr. Wilson. I also have second-hand information
that you are a Christian. Perhaps your "Holy Ghost" up in the
sky or on the back side of the Moon will help you prevail in ZOG's
court and that way you can make sure Dr. Pierce's ban on your
worship of the dead Jew Jesus Christ will help you prevail. However,
i wouldn't bet on it.
 
Old November 8th, 2014 #10
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Honestly, can anyone imagine an effective WN organization WITHOUT K.A. Strom and his extensive sweater collection? I thought not.
 
Old November 8th, 2014 #11
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Seems like you are trying to try the case here, rather than in
ZOG's courts, Mr. Wilson. I also have second-hand information
that you are a Christian. Perhaps your "Holy Ghost" up in the
sky or on the back side of the Moon will help you prevail in ZOG's
court and that way you can make sure Dr. Pierce's ban on your
worship of the dead Jew Jesus Christ will help you prevail. However,
i wouldn't bet on it.
Mr. Wilson's post on the NAARG site was posted here, I don't think the poster here is Mr. Wilson, perhaps P Marc can affirm or deny that.

One thing that needs to be said about Mr. Wilson is that he is a person who took a hell of a leap for our struggle by becoming involved in the suit. He is a professional and after it became apparent to scumbag Gliebe that he was involved in the suit we then see the "coincidence" of the SPLC making this the subject of an article on their website. While it cannot be confirmed, much evidence points to EG leaking some of his details to the SPLC in an effort to make Mr. Wilson turn tail and run.

The effort failed and this says something about Wilson. How many people involved in this struggle who have something to lose would and have succumbed to these sort of tactics? Are these the kind of people we need to be chasing away or being supportive of? I don't believe that Wilson puts any religious convictions over the fate and interests of the race and that is fine by me.

As far as anyone being skeptical of WN tackling this rotten court system, I would normally be skeptical of the idea myself. However in this case we have on both sides parties that the system is not going to curry favor with, it is not like NARRG is opposing a Jewish group or organization.

Like it or not the lawsuit was the ONLY way that we stood a chance at saving the NA. And it was 110% the reason behind the recent change at the top, I will go into a more in depth description of this shortly.
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Old November 8th, 2014 #12
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I don't believe that Wilson puts any religious convictions over the fate and interests of the race and that is fine by me.
You and Mr. Wilson are entitled to your 'religious' beliefs which is fine
with me. However, by whatever name you want to call it, the same
spiel (CI) is not going to cut it.

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You and Mr. Wilson are entitled to your 'religious' beliefs which is fine
with me. However, by whatever name you want to call it, the same
spiel (CI) is not going to cut it.

http://carolynyeager.net/heretics-ho...-william-finck

Sorry, your boat is not going to float.
Does Yeager believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"? Since she put shooting in quotation marks, I mean.
 
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The sudden and surprise announcement that Gliebe resigned has resulted in a lot of confusion which is to be expected, it shocked the hell out of me and this whole process going at Gliebe in an effort to save the NA has not been lacking for surprises that is for sure. I say this as a member of the National Alliance Reform and Restoration Group. I can only say so much because there is an ongoing legal battle but I wanted to try to clear some things up for those parties who care about the NA. I don't wish to tell people what to think but do think it is proper to give people a more clear picture of what has lead to the recent events with regard to the announcement regarding Williams and Gliebe.

Donnie your translation leaves out a couple of pertinent facts.

One, yes the McCorkell estate escaped Gliebe but Gliebe certainly had aims to sell that property and he saw plenty of $$$ in that proposition. The only thing that kept him from selling it (remember he had it on the market in an online posting) was the work of NARRG. During a hearing in April EG was forbidden from selling that property as a part of the legal proceedings.

Two, the taxes went delinquent a couple times which was a result of his flawed performance as Chairman. They were however paid and are not currently delinquent.

The reason that Gliebe resigned was 110% due to the work that the National Alliance Reform and Restoration Group has done to hold Gliebe accountable for his awful performance as Chairman, one in which was more than just bad decisions and poor leadership.

The whole matter of Gliebe resigning and making Williams Chairman was quite a surprise, and while Gliebe being out of the picture (supposedly) is a great thing, the circumstances in which it happened just stink to high heaven, so much so it is hard to tell what is going on.

I mean these two were known to hate each other. All you have to do is research past posts online, Williams and Gliebe in the past have been the worst of enemies, Williams had some of the most scathing things to say about Gliebe in the past, which in themselves were not incorrect. I am not inclined to think that this is a case of two WN figures putting differences aside to better the chances of achieving our goals either, far, far from it in my opinion.

Also online are a number of claims made by Williams that he and Strom were creating "their own NA" and that the property in Hillsboro and the fate of the authentic NA did not matter according to him. He made this clear in posts online, saying that NAARG was wasting their time and that the property and the authentic NA mattered not.

How quickly things change though, and they both walk into the court hearing a few weeks ago and sit down and right in tow is the SPLC guy and his cameraman. I mean the whole thing just stinks.

My advice would be to hold off judgement on this change of leadership until a future date, the people involved know that what has been announced is not etched in stone. I think it is harmful to the future of the NA, harmful to the possibility of it being rebuilt and revitalized, to have people thinking things are going in one direction when in fact these "changes" may be short lived. And might I say that with regard to those currently claiming control over the organization that may be a good thing, a NA with leadership including the likes of Strom is as much of a non-starter as it is with Gliebe in control. Proof of this has come with the lion's share of the reaction to the news, few want to be involved with anything that has Strom as a part of it, and for good reason of course.

For starters, Gliebe is still on file with the State of Virginia as the Chairman. There has been an SPLC article saying otherwise, Williams has triumphantly announced he is the Chairman, but this has not been made official in the real world, that is what NARRG has been pursuing with this lawsuit, real solutions to this problem at the top, not just smearing the charlatan on the Internet like Williams did years back, that amounted to nothing, no actually taking steps to hold him accountable and take the NA back is what NARRG has been working toward with this lawsuit.

After all the hard work NARRG has done to make it to where FINALLY Gliebe stepped down Williams came in and was the supreme opportunist. Instead of taking the steps NARRG did with the court case Williams chose to align himself with EG, making who knows what sort of deal with him for the opportunity to be named Chairman. I have a hard time believing Gliebe would give up control without some sort of agreement between the two for compensation of some sort, and again he has not officially given up control, perhaps this is a planned move to ensure he gets what has been promised to him.

Again it cannot be overstated, Williams would have never had this opportunity had it not been for the lawsuit brought by NARRG. Does anyone actually think Gliebe just gave it up, and to Williams of all people? Fact is NARRG's legal case is on such solid ground that Gliebe knew he was in big trouble. He hates the people involved in NARRG so badly, for bringing the suit, that he actually chose to give control to Williams, anything to keep it from the NARRG group which stopped him. And again who knows what sort of deal or promises that Williams made to Gliebe.

Williams may well intend to sell that sacred ground in the end as he is on record saying his imposter NA's home is in Tennessee there. I did not know much about Williams before he created his own NA with Strom a year ago except that he had been involved in WN for a long time, I now have zero respect for him after his choice to align first with Strom and now Gliebe. Others can make their own decision.

People can choose who to put their faith in. Williams is aligned with Strom and we know what his record is, and not just with the criminal case either. He headed the National Vanguard organization on his own and nothing happened except a bunch of good people being disappointed in the end, and also money and donations taken for a magazine that never came out.

Now Williams is all buddy-buddy with Gliebe. Put my being aligned with NARRG aside, this just stinks to no end.

I am not sure if one could pick two worse characters to align themselves with and I am not sure how any racialist who is aware could have any hope in putting any hope behind this outfit.

NARRG's intention was to take back control from this charlatan Gliebe, not make any deals with him where he was able to walk away with anything that was made possible by the work of Dr. Pierce.

Now Williams is telling NARRG to just give up the suit, after we have spent the time and money in bringing about the conditions to bring about the supposed resignation of Gliebe. We didn't come this far to allow the organization to be headed by a pedo like Strom along with a man who has just proved himself to be as unscrupulous as Gliebe with his actions in regard to his being named Chairman by Gliebe.

The founder's brother Sanders Pierce is a part of NARRG, I personally want to see to it that he knows that his brother's organization is secured and headed back on an upward path while he is still on this earth. This man is a quiet and reserved individual, a gentleman, but he has been angered along with everyone else who cares about Dr. Pierce's legacy in what has taken place since his passing. I can personally attest to the fact that he has been very happy to see this lawsuit come to pass, all because a few folks who stuck around would not see this creep Gliebe destroy everything and just run off after liquidating everything.

I am proud to be aligned with Sanders Pierce and the others in NARRG as well as its supporters.

Again people can choose with whom they put their faith and support behind, but it should be made clear that NARRG made it happen, Gliebe would have run off with hundreds of thousands of dollars after selling that property had it not been for NARRG's hard work. No amount of bashing Gliebe online, ala Williams, got it done, no, real action in the real world got it done and it sure as hell wasn't easy.

The fight we have had to embark on here, with all the twists and turns (this Williams thing has not been the first dip in this roller coaster ride) will prove to show us worthy and able of completing the task in which we are ultimately engaged, restoring the NA to its past relevance and vaulting it forward and upward from there.

And again, the fight is not done yet, be certain of that if not of anything else.
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You and Mr. Wilson are entitled to your 'religious' beliefs which is fine
with me. However, by whatever name you want to call it, the same
spiel (CI) is not going to cut it.

http://carolynyeager.net/heretics-ho...-william-finck

Sorry, your boat is not going to float.
I am not religious just so you are aware.

I also don't believe in picking fights with people who happen to be religious as long as they don't push their religious beliefs on the racial struggle in a negative and arduous manner.

If they put religion over the fate of the race, I say go practice your religion, your not welcome among those who care about their race. If they care about their race above all else and show it, I don't care one way or the other what their religious beliefs are. Serious racialists will know that we don't have the time to argue among ourselves about matters that can be settled after the eternal enemy of our people are addressed and dealt with.

Unless and until they are dealt with, the place religion will or won't have in a future White world is a waste of time to discuss, we simply won't have a future if we don't focus on the enemy.
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Does Yeager believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was a "false flag"? Since she put shooting in quotation marks, I mean.
You are asking me what Carolyn Yeager 'believes?'

 
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I am not religious just so you are aware.

Christians have demonstrated enough times for me as to where
their true loyalties lie:

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Also online are a number of claims made by Williams that he and Strom were creating "their own NA" and that the property in Hillsboro and the fate of the authentic NA did not matter according to him. He made this clear in posts online, saying that NAARG was wasting their time and that the property and the authentic NA mattered not.

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After all the hard work NARRG has done to make it to where FINALLY Gliebe stepped down Williams came in and was the supreme opportunist.
Two quick points:

(1) Yes, the NARRG does deserve great credit for putting legal pressure on Gliebe to resign. He probably would have resigned in the end, anyway, as he was clearly not interested in being the chairman of a functional National Alliance. But the NARRG hastened his departure--perhaps by years--and it prevented him from selling the Mill Point property, as he was threatening to do.

(2) The accusation of Will Williams being an "opportunist" is wrong, to the degree that it is meant to cast aspersion on his personality.

I have before me Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition (1993). On page 815 it gives the definition of "opportunism," to wit:
"the art, policy or practice of taking advantage of opportunities or circumstances often with little regard to principles or consequences."
So, if by "opportunist" you mean that Williams is unprincipled, you are wrong. Rather, he showed tactically flexibility in taking advantage of an opportunity that presented itself. He did not sacrifice or compromise any principles in doing so.

The ability to act in a tactically adept manner is a good thing in a leader: it is a quality that is to be desired.
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>Thom McQueen Says:
>30 October, 2014 at 4:43 pm
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>Dude sounds good. Mud on his
>boots. But is he a “starving
>artist.” I would like to see
>some of his artwork, as an
>artist myself. What is his
>canvas, the naked flesh of
>the beautiful airbrushed
>women who Tim McGreen is
>so afraid of? or is it
>ordinary canvas, or
>masonite, or wood.
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>


Thom McQueen, the "starving artist" does indeed have
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http://national-socialist-worldview....-for-sale.html
 
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If Williams doesn't have the sense to get rid of Strom he's not qualified to join a White organization, let alone lead one.
 
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