No One Believes Jew-Jovin' Jared Barnum Taylor's Bullshit Any Longer

[Alex Linder]

It does my heart good. If there was one fraud in our movement I could destroy with the push of a button, it would be this primus inter pares of ass-clowns.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t899883-2/

[Alex Linder]

I get a kick out of Taylor saying he just can't figure out why Whites are self destructive. Nope, it don't make sense, if you refuse to peek behind the curtain.

He speaks as if White people had some kind of genetic self destruct devise in their DNA. He chooses to ignore propaganda, and it's effects on the entire history of our people. The times before, when White nations did exactly what he prescribes, and throws off the self hate he leaves out how they did it, and who they had to shut out.

Total insanity.

[Alex Linder]

All these people who think that Taylor is somehow going to change something without naming the Jew need to read Revilo Oliver, George Lincoln Rockwell, and the other early 20th century WNs. These guys grappled with the same exact problems, and all came to the same exact conclusion: nothing will ever change unless you name the Jew.

There is a reason why your life, if you are a public persona, will become 10,000x more difficult once you name the Jew--because whereas before were harmless, you are now on the one topic that can change everything and bring the entire system down.

[Lew_]

This comment in the SF thread caught my eye:

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Decades of venomous anti-White brainwashing have made Jews a losing message. White genocide is the best message.

Declaring Jews as an enemy leaves Jews with no choice but to oppose us. That makes our struggle much more difficult. At least give them a choice not to be our enemy if they don't want to be. We can do that by naming anti-Whites as the enemy of our Race rather than a specific race.

This is not the first time I've seen comments like this one from a "BUGS" advocate. What kind of bullshit are they swallowing/peddling over there? I like a lot of what they do, and I use some of their techniques myself, but "Give Jews a chance not to be our enemy if they don't want to be?" Please. I was not aware the BUGSTERS are in the "let's not attack Jews camp" and that they push the idea there is even the slightest possibility Jews might choose not to be our enemy.

[Soldatul Vostru]

This comment in the SF thread caught my eye:

Glory14
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Decades of venomous anti-White brainwashing have made Jews a losing message. White genocide is the best message.

Declaring Jews as an enemy leaves Jews with no choice but to oppose us. That makes our struggle much more difficult. At least give them a choice not to be our enemy if they don't want to be. We can do that by naming anti-Whites as the enemy of our Race rather than a specific race.

It doesn't matter if you call jews your friends, they will continue to be anti-white, and seek to destroy you [and your kind] just the same.




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"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we need a world of our own." - Maurice Samuel 'You Gentiles', P. l55 Harcourt, Brace. 1924


"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. That is why gentiles were created." - Rabbi Ovadia Yosef




These are your "friends."

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Lew_

This comment in the SF thread caught my eye:

Glory14
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Decades of venomous anti-White brainwashing have made Jews a losing message. White genocide is the best message.

Declaring Jews as an enemy leaves Jews with no choice but to oppose us. That makes our struggle much more difficult. At least give them a choice not to be our enemy if they don't want to be. We can do that by naming anti-Whites as the enemy of our Race rather than a specific race.

This is not the first time I've seen comments like this one from a "BUGS" advocate. What kind of bullshit are they swallowing/peddling over there? I like a lot of what they do, and I use some of their techniques myself, but "Give Jews a chance not to be our enemy if they don't want to be?" Please. I was not aware the BUGSTERS are in the "let's not attack Jews camp" and that they push the idea there is even the slightest possibility Jews might choose not to be our enemy.

Whitaker has siphoned off a goodly number of simpletons; for that he's owed thanks.

The way you break through conditioning is to recondition people to hearing the term in a negative context, over and over and over. You use jew so many times people are sick of it, and always in a negative, hostile, mocking way. Associate jews with the things they're responsible. It's not difficult to understand the jewish role in our decline. No stages are required to understand it. It's a very simple thing. That in itself doesn't solve the problem - a common lie by many affecting to misunderstand 'name the jew,' even as they affect to be on our side - but it does take the first step: it teaches us to recognize the problem.

[Kievsky]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Whitaker has siphoned off a goodly number of simpletons; for that he's owed thanks.

The way you break through conditioning is to recondition people to hearing the term in a negative context, over and over and over. You use jew so many times people are sick of it, and always in a negative, hostile, mocking way. Associate jews with the things they're responsible. It's not difficult to understand the jewish role in our decline. No stages are required to understand it. It's a very simple thing. That in itself doesn't solve the problem - a common lie by many affecting to misunderstand 'name the jew,' even as they affect to be on our side - but it does take the first step: it teaches us to recognize the problem.

I believe that we should say Jew among ourselves when speaking to other whites, while avoiding giving the ADL fund raising photo ops. In other words, avoiding flags/insignia. That sort of stuff draws Feds like flies to shit.

In other words, something similar to Muslim taqqiyah, or even the Jewish mindweapon of saying one thing to other jews, for example, in their Hebrew language newspapers, and another thing to us.

Writing about jews on a forum is fine. A quote from Alex Linder does not excite the Holocaust haunted rich the way a skinhead waving a Nazi flag does.

When we do get together and work together, we should not announce it or publicize it to the world. And we should focus on our own personal empowerment/betterment to create something like the Sikh middleman model minority culture.

Another thing that can set us apart is learning Russian to speak among ourselves, and to have connectiosn to Mother Russia, even if we aren't ethnically Russian. Dual language-ism is part of what sets Jews apart from Americans.

We can raise White children who will be effective Mindweapons against Jews. We need to own businesses and live in cities to do so, however.

We need to think of it this way -- Jews to us, are like Bugs Bunny to Elmer Fudd. But all of us Whites are not as dumb and close minded as Elmer Fudd. Plenty of us are as smart or smarter than Bugs Bunny. That cartoon character was never created by Warner Brothers. In Warner Brothers Looney Tunes world, the nice Jewish boys like Bugs Bunny (Segal) are smarter than all the White "pig people" as liberals call conservratives/right wingers.

The Jews carefully cultivated anti-intellectualism in White Americans. They carefully cultivated us into liberal and "nice" and "good" porky pig beta males, and mean, stupid adn dangerous elmer fudds.

We must be none of the above. We must be Mindweapons.

[Steven L. Akins]

You should start a new catagory for White Nationalist drama and gossip, for all of these "leading lights" to be featured in.

I have no idea who any of these personalities are, and they mean nothing to me, as I'm interested in ideas and ideals and not in individuals; but it seems that there are enough characters of this sort to warrant discussions of them having some sort of dedicated sub-forum.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

You should start a new catagory for White Nationalist drama and gossip, for all of these "leading lights" to be featured in.

I have no idea who any of these personalities are, and they mean nothing to me, as I'm interested in ideas and ideals and not in individuals; but it seems that there are enough characters of this sort to warrant discussions of them having some sort of dedicated sub-forum.

The problem is, no matter what I start, most people only post in the top two forums. We already have a White Nationalist subforum. Anyone can discuss Whitaker or anyone else in there they like. We have a long discussion of Greg Johnson in our general forum; at some point that will be moved into either WN or conservatism. We also have a strategy section where I've sticked every approach I've come across.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The problem is, no matter what I start, most people only post in the top two forums.

That is because of the nature of this forum. You want an "anything (almost) goes," a "fuck you" type forum and you have it. The people VNN attracts will be just that. Others will see that serious discussion gets that same treatment and they will either go away or post accordingly.

That's the way it goes. Nobody gets to have it both ways. You'll get the occasional serious post or thread. Then, somebody will VNN the thread and all seriousness will stop. It's the world you created, Alex.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Wayne

That is because of the nature of this forum. You want an "anything (almost) goes," a "fuck you" type forum and you have it. The people VNN attracts will be just that. Others will see that serious discussion gets that same treatment and they will either go away or post accordingly.

That's the way it goes. Nobody gets to have it both ways. You'll get the occasional serious post or thread. Then, somebody will VNN the thread and all seriousness will stop. It's the world you created, Alex.

Sorry, Wayne, you're equating seriousness with conservatism and its verbal and political taboos. A lot of people think the way you do, and that is why WN never gets anywhere, it just imitates the professional fundraisers.

The truth is that VNN is the only serious White Nationalist site out there.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Wayne

That is because of the nature of this forum. You want an "anything (almost) goes," a "fuck you" type forum and you have it. The people VNN attracts will be just that. Others will see that serious discussion gets that same treatment and they will either go away or post accordingly.

That's the way it goes. Nobody gets to have it both ways. You'll get the occasional serious post or thread. Then, somebody will VNN the thread and all seriousness will stop. It's the world you created, Alex.

The other thing you have wrong is that VNN is quite literally the only site or forum out there with restrictions agains personal slander. Every other site allows them, in fact doesn't give a damn about them. Their taboos are wholly political: you can't use certain terms necessary to make your arguments, as in politics the sense is inseparable from the style; nor can you mock the hosts with sharp arguments. See Greg Johnson censoring my comments purely for their content - they exposed him to ridicule, and he fears that in front of the cult he's cultivating. He is serious? He is not serious. He is a fundraiser.

We have plenty of people who use this forum the way it's intended, but, as is probably inevitable, most are here for entertainment. I wish there were more who were genuinely serious. But now that our server works ok, I think we will see substantial progress in that direction in coming months.

[Alex Linder]

The rest of our jewed culture, including all WN culture except VNN, follows the English model: be as filthy as you like in private, be as dirty, corrupt, hypocritical as you want to be, but, online, don't swear, and cater to women and treat the host or editor like he's jesus II.

In the Anglo-jewish culture, it's not what you are that matters, it's what you seem to be.

VNN is the opposite. You can express yourself as you like, but you are accountable for your ideas, your character, and your behavior.

[OTPTT]

VNNing a thread to me is when someone goes completely off topic like Fakins (posting hard core porn as one example) and redirects the thread in a direction not even remotely resembling its' original intent. Additionally, ad hominem attacks for the sake of attacking someone based upon personal animosity which also destroys otherwise good threads is another VNNing a thread type behavior.

Those two behaviors should be addressed.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

VNNing a thread to me is when someone goes completely off topic like Fakins (posting hard core porn as one example) and redirects the thread in a direction not even remotely resembling its' original intent. Additionally, ad hominem attacks for the sake of attacking someone based upon personal animosity which also destroys otherwise good threads is another VNNing a thread type behavior.

Those two behaviors should be addressed.

I have never posted hardcore porn. I posted a photo showing a woman's face (from the neck up), and it was completely on-topic.

[notmenomore]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

Those two behaviors should be addressed.

I think both behaviors ARE addressed, but not in a formal sense.

In the intelligent and valuable threads here, the ad hominem and the off-topic, both, are IGNORED by thread participants. Nothing hurts a troll worse than to be totally ignored, and that is a developed skill.

Sometimes it might be nice for certain posters/content/off-topics to [be made to?] just "go away", but their usual disappearance when effectively ignored is better.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

I have never posted hardcore porn. I posted a photo showing a woman's face (from the neck up), and it was completely on-topic.

What, that was soap on her face?

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

What, that was soap on her face?

What was the title of the thread I posted the picture on?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by notmenomore

I think both behaviors ARE addressed, but not in a formal sense.

In the intelligent and valuable threads here, the ad hominem and the off-topic, both, are IGNORED by thread participants. Nothing hurts a troll worse than to be totally ignored, and that is a developed skill.

Sometimes it might be nice for certain posters/content/off-topics to [be made to?] just "go away", but their usual disappearance when effectively ignored is better.

Some people have a fixed view of The Right Way(tm) to run a forum. And if you don't do it their way, you fail.

Some people consider threads deviating an inch to be hijacked, and the value lost. I don't see it that way. I see it like a conversation that usually stays on topic, but sometimes strays. I do get irritated, and it is a flaw with this forum, that certain personalities attract silly dogs that can't stop barking. They're basically the equivalent of little children in adult bodies. They can't let anything go. They run right back to the postman yipping idiotically the moment he appears. They're the ones endlessly crying about hijacking. Unfortunately, there is no good way to solve this problem.

Forums can't be perfect. Trying to make them so basically kills them, or turns them into boring, paceless blogs. I try to to make this forum so that there is plenty of material of standing value that is rationally organized. And then enough free flowing current to keep things lively, topical, and even fun.

I WANT some personality here. But BETTER personalities. We tend to get a type of personality that makes my eyes cross and my hands reach for a swingin' bat.

Like I've said many times: I want this forum to be interesting but at least mildly dangerous or unpleasant to everybody. I don't want people to feel safe here, I want them to feel like they might be criticized in sharp terms for anything they say. This is a guard-up forum. But it's not anything goes. Idea-competitors are held to limits. No lying, basically. With that restriction, argue the best you can.

And it's not even against the rules to get along, it's just we tend to get prickly independent types like me, I suppose. That's ok. If you want real or fake but in any case enforced bonhomie, you can go...everywhere else. No cults here. No one beyond criticism. Everyone accountable, legally and morally, for what he posts. That's our ideal. I think we approach it fairly closely.

[OTPTT]

Originally Posted by notmenomore

I think both behaviors ARE addressed, but not in a formal sense.

It's the behavior exhibited in this recent post that I'm talking about in terms of pure ad hominem attacks. There was no genuine relation its' content\context and my post that was quoted therein. My quoted post was merely a pretext to continue the pursuit of a personal and vicious vendetta that to this day I don't understand.

Such posts are simply unnecessary and counter-productive in terms of the big picture. There are several posters here that I don't care for but I generally tend to ignore them although I have recently called out Fakins only after he derailed several of my threads.