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Old November 29th, 2004 #21
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I'm not so sure about that. Aryan is not an often used word. People may be more ignorant of it than you surmise.

Most American's cant find Afghanistan on a map. Why do we always think they will recognize these far less often presented concepts. If there is no swastika or brownshirts to group with the word, I think the word may tend to fly under the radar, like a dormant meme ready to be awakened.

as in, White man "ERWACHE!"
AE, you are detached from reality. The word "Aryan" is not a frequently used term because nearly everybody knows damn well what it means, and they don't like it. Then here you are trying to market ultra-controversial ideas to them under an even more controversial label. You might as well just put a swastika on the thing and be done with it.
 
Old November 30th, 2004 #23
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Perhaps a name like "The White Alternative" or "The White Hot Truth" might be more marketable?

Just an idea to help you avoid the Hitler/Nazi's/"Gas Chambers"/"Holocaust"/"Genocide" morass. It's hard to promote your ideas if you can't get a fair hearing and are always on the defensive.
There's no way to get a fair hearing, given a context in which white existence as a group is the very definition of 'hate.' By defintion what we are doing is immoral and ought to be rejected by all decent men - according to the jews who seek to destroy us. The best we can do is remain uncompromising in our message -- face the jew wind directly -- and keep our form, our appearance, customary. The Aryan Alternative looks like any other paper - until you read it. That is what we want. "If you don't like what you read in other papers, try our Aryan Alternative."

'Aryan's' elegant and accurate, starts with 'A,' which is much better than 'W,' and is formal and formally correct, as befits the name of a serious paper.

TAA's contents are 'grabbier' than its name or the symbols we use, so that readers are likeliest to make their minds up based on contents rather than form. Articles are funny and topical. They contain information and perspectives the reader can find nowhere else in print.

I wish to strike an inviting, playful tone...hence the subtitle of 1a: Uncensored news for whites...and freethinkers of any stripe. Subtext: we aren't afraid. We take all comers. We have the goods. The term Aryan is more proper, more dignified than white -- although, as you point out, often it is not as effective. For a name, an official title, it is appropriate. Inside the paper, we use both, to accustom readers to the technical name for their group. We don't happen to deal with any Nazi stuff at all, as we're focused on today's scene.

The real difficulty I'm seeing so far, when I get into arguments, online or off, is:

- the amazingly widespread belief that a single example invalidates a general rule. I cannot tell you how common this is in the midwest. It really is almost as if people find the making of logical inferences based on observations and evidence to be some kind of dirty game that only swindlers practice. Thinking too hard, looking too hard -- perceiving, which literally means seeing through, or letting light through -- is vaguely disreputable. The culture of civilty, after all, means just that: not looking too hard at what the other fellow is actually doing -- hell -- actually is.

"Well, I know some white families who are as bad as any blacks..." -- you'll get some version of this over and over and over. The voicers really believe this settles the issue. Really, the mass of Americans is extremely uncomfortable with thought. It says what it's conditioned to, then immediately retreats to moral posturing, which is used like Bondo to cover holes of logic. I think most people are primarily motivated not by power or lust but by the desire to preserve their safety. This reconciles their words moving one way and their feet another when it comes to race. Any mission in life beyond the accumulation of money is considered a weird and probably immoral obsession. People don't know anything, they think it's immoral to think, and they don't think anything can be done anyway. So go with the flow, and keep your head down. Don't rock the boat. The dumbing down of the population via government schools, dovetails with the "Jesus loves the little children of the world mentality." So that the minute you point out crime stats, you're "hating" or "blaming" a race, and they just don't think that's right. Perhaps the most difficult thing of all is that so many people are not capable of thinking in any kind of nuanced way. It is too complex for many white Americans to understand that the two are both true, that blacks possess a talented tenth, and that blacks and whites cannot live together in the same government.

When people don't read, don't think, have limited experience, are taught that one opinion is as good as another, and that facts are just opinions too, pretty soon it is well nigh unto impossible to hold a discussion worthy of the name. Far more than I thought coming out of college do I now see that thinking has to be taught, it is not natural. I seriously wonder whether more than about 10% of the population, unaided by public schools, is capable instinctively of grasping the fact that individual counter-examples do not invalidate general rules.
 
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I appreciate the responses of you gentlemen, and can see your perspective, though I do reserve the right to my own opinion.

Regarding exceptions and rules... here is a twist on an old saying:

"The exception often proves the rule, and the rarer the exception, the stronger the rule."

The fact that something is a lone "exception" to a rule only proves that the rule is generally true.

It is also true that people tend to shift from thinking in generalities to thinking in selective, out-of-context specifics when it serves to protect their sentiments.
 
Old November 30th, 2004 #25
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AE, you are detached from reality. The word "Aryan" is not a frequently used term because nearly everybody knows damn well what it means, and they don't like it. Then here you are trying to market ultra-controversial ideas to them under an even more controversial label. You might as well just put a swastika on the thing and be done with it.
Maybe everybody in your neck of the woods, not mine. You overestimate the public's knowledge of Jewish hate propaganda. Aryan is a far more obscure concept than the swastika. If I had ten thousand bucks to piss away on hiring a consultant to design a valid attitudinal study on these two concepts I might be able to prove my point. I can see how a person could hold your view especially if they lived on the coasts where Jewish power is stronger than it is here in flyover. Again, I dont think Aryan is half as well known or disliked a concept as you suggest.
 
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Perhaps you are correct. However, in the cases where you are not, and where the individuals in question really do know what Aryan means, the benefit of the word is that it clearly delineates your stance, which is for Whites, against Jews, and against non-Whites. At least you guys practice truth in advertising.

I can understand Alex's strategy of going after the more hard-core inclined people instead of trying to reach the masses. For his purposes, it makes sense.
 
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Maybe everybody in your neck of the woods, not mine. You overestimate the public's knowledge of Jewish hate propaganda. Aryan is a far more obscure concept than the swastika. If I had ten thousand bucks to piss away on hiring a consultant to design a valid attitudinal study on these two concepts I might be able to prove my point. I can see how a person could hold your view especially if they lived on the coasts where Jewish power is stronger than it is here in flyover. Again, I dont think Aryan is half as well known or disliked a concept as you suggest.

I would have to differ with you, as well. The term has nowhere near the association as a swastika per se (in all fairness, that was an official flag of the 3rd Reich, so its recognition is really moot). While the public, as you rightly assert, might not necessarily always tie "aryan" to the Dachau, Malmedy & the "Blitz," they will, however, tie it to another not particularly glamorous group: the prison gang, Aryan Brotherhood.

Color me crazy, but I doubt the hip, bright college kids, who would crave Shit Magnet reviews, might not find the correlation to penitentiaries all that swell. (Btw, I do remember the term as a child.)
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I would have to differ with you, as well. The term has nowhere near the association as a swastika per se (in all fairness, that was an official flag of the 3rd Reich, so its recognition is really moot). While the public, as you rightly assert, might not necessarily always tie "aryan" to the Dachau, Malmedy & the "Blitz," they will, however, tie it to another not particularly glamorous group: the prison gang, Aryan Brotherhood.

Color me crazy, but I doubt the hip, bright college kids, who would crave Shit Magnet reviews, might not find the correlation to penitentiaries all that swell. (Btw, I do remember the term as a child.)
I agree with you that they will tend to connect the word aryan to the gang. I am reminded of "American Me" and a few other movies in which the gang plays a role in the story
 
Old December 20th, 2004 #29
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On Saturday (12-18) 275 VNN papers were distributed in NC & SC. Went by the Redneck Shop in Laurens, SC and left Mr. John Howard a bundle to distribute. Says he'll give out anything to his customers that are pro-White. If you have a chance or pass through the area stop and see John Howard. He deserves our business. You don't see very many openly proud to be White businessmen these days,
 
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Good blows struck against our enemies, SA Mann. Thanks. Yeah, I've visited John Howard's Klan store. It's right downtown too. Several years ago, an irate nigger rammed his car into John's front store window in broad day lite. No injuries to anyone, and I understand the nigger wound up paying all the damages, plus other court fines. Lots of all kinds of White racialist literature, paraphanalia, and historical Klan pictures, books, uniforms, etc. - a regular Klan museum.

John says the city offered him something like half a million bucks to close down his Klan store/museum, but he declined the offer.
 
Old January 17th, 2005 #31
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Default TAA distribution in Ft. Lauderdale

Since I was terminated from my job last month, I have been in Florida for a little R&R and to visit some relatives.
Can't say I'm not enjoying this winter break from -10 degrees.

Anyways, Alex was kind enough to send me a whole big batch of TAA #1a down here. It is a great collection of VNN material. VNN fans would really enjoy it.
So, there was a great opportunity for recruitment and VNN distribution this past weekend as Ft. Lauderdale was hosting a large Gun & Knife show at a local Auditorium.
Obviously, a market that needs to be tapped.
Ok, so I go all by myself to a place I have never been before and don't know a damn soul.
Truth be told, whenever I plan to hand out the TAA to people face to face, I do get a little bit nervous because as Optimistic as I may be, you don't know exactly how someone may react. I'll get to this point later.......

I had a backpack on with a large number of papers in it, I was wearing basic black jeans and a collar polo type shirt. Looked like a nice College grad student I'm sure. Did I mention I was wearing my glasses as well?
So, no boots, no braces, no tatts, no shaved head...NOT That there is anything wrong with this, but remember, people like people who are like themselves, looks, dress, mannerisms, etc.
Basic marketing 101 here.

I put a few on the windshields of large pickup trucks and vans that were parked close behind the building. Obvious vendor vehicles, with lots of pro-gun/pro-America sort of stickers and crap.
But, it was starting to rain, so then I decided to go to the front of the building under a overhang and strike up conversations and hand out papers.

As people were coming out, I asked them how was the gun show with a smile, then offered them a paper. I handed out a lot, so here are some basic things about this effort:

-I'd say about a little less than half of the people I offered papers to took them

-Probably half of the non-takers did not even bother to glance at the TAA and probably thought it was some jesus material or some sort of pro-gun paper

-more than a few initially said 'No thanks' and as I was holding the paper out, they did glance at it and saw "Aryan Alternative" and then, stopped and said 'Ah, ok I'll take one, thanks'.

-I tried to use targeting marketing and not give them to any obvious mutt types, possible jews, or CEO types with expensive watches. Why?
Because the boating/yacht crowd of Ft. Lauderdale almost always said "No".
Why waste a good TAA paper on a no sale?

-About equal success with younger 20-35 types as with older, more milita sort of camo wearing types who probably have their own arsenal at home.

-I only saw 1 person take the TAA and then walk and throw it in the trash can.

-Focused primarily on more blue collar looking gun sorts and hunters, confederate flag wearing dixie outfitters wearing types more than couples and fishermen/boaters.
Not really sure why, just instinct I suppose.
But, not always, kind of gave a few out to every sort of White person/family that I saw.

-was surprised at the number of niggers who went in and out attending the gun show. Then again, that is the nigg culture...guns and violence! Gotta repesent, right?
No, I did not give any TAAs' to niggs.

-2 guys looked at the paper and said in southern accents "Is this some White boy shit?"
I said "Yes, it sure is". He said, "alright sounds good to me, I'll like it I bet".
Had a few beers before the gun show I'm sure....whatever works I guess.

-had a couple of long conversations and both of these older guys were somewhat jew aware, but more pro-White as they both talked about exceptions. I mentioned Kevin MacDonald and the CofC.
Both wrote it down and said it sounds interesting and they'd check it out.

Then, it really started to rain and I was low on tabloids.
That was Saturday
 
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more of the same, cloudy and drizzly (they call FL the sunshine state?), more Tabloids passed out.

Sunday's crowd was not nearly as big and busy as saturday's.

Went through the parking lot in front and in back and put a whole bunch on cars and trucks.
Then, stood out inside and did my face to face TAA recruiting.
Had a few takers and more "no thanks" today.
Even the confederate flagers were declining!?

I don't think too many were wanting to take anything today.
Then again, I decided my passive approach of "would you care for a paper sir?" was not getting the point across that I was holding racial gold in my hands and everyone was too busy to even bother to take a look.

So, I changed my approach and said something like 'care for a paper representing the interests of White Americans?'

A few takers, somewhat looking surprised and walking slow as they were reading TAA....a little shocked perhaps?
I had another long political/social conversation with another nice guy, a real War buff...gave him TAA...said it looked good, but was still a little skeptical..more libertarian, paleo-con than racial...but aware that inter-racial mixing was a "detriment to our country".
No shit.

Then, I had my first real altercation. Wouldn't you know it was a woman that was the problem?
I saw a group of 4 30-something White people, 2 men, 2 women. Looked like the gun type, maybe open to the message.
I asked them how was the show and they said good. Then, offered them a tabloid. They said 'what is it?'
I responded with 'it's a newspaper representing the interests of White Americans and my friend Alex publishes it in MO'....then, they were all looking at it with a little shock and confusion and then the little brown haired woman with a piercing in her nose said "this is some nazi crap"., "what is this? Racism!!"
I was calm, but a little shocked and said 'it's more pro-White, pro-European culture minded political commentary'...then nose piercing started ranting and raving that I was a "Racist" at the top of her lungs....saying I was wrong and an asshole for giving out this "crap".
I believe she said something about having a black brother/step brother or something, and she had lots of black friends and was going to get my ass kicked....

Wow, what passion and hatred she displayed. Her boyfriend/husband was a very large, bald headed biker type..looking somewhat angry at me.
I said 'sorry, you don't want to read it'..
The other guy, another biker type with long hair said "we can solve this this way!" and then he took the 2 copies I gave them and crushed them and threw them in the trash..then I turned away trying to remain composed.

They left, muttering to themselves about "racism" and the like.

First time I encountered such utter hostility. Most everyone else who doesn't want one says "No thanks".. Fair enough.
Can't always make a horse drink I guess.

So, I went off for a bit inside to the show..walked around, offerred a few to people..a guy selling books and militaria said "yes, he got one yesterday, it was on my car". I asked him if he liked it. He said somewhat hesitating, "yea, I liked it".
So, I walked through the show, watching hunters, cops, ex-military, lone wolves and niggers all check out guns and ammo and buy up stuff...exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights....good for them I say.
Don't trust ZOG taking our weapons I will admit.

At these Florida gun shows you can buy almost anything.

One other note: a nice old couple was driving around in front asking people directions, but didn't seem like they were getting the info they wanted.
I sprung into action thinking Sale of TAA and also to try and help out.
They were looking for a coin show.
Must have had the wrong date..
Offered them a tabloid, granny took it and said 'Why thank you' , LOL, just like in the movies.

So, that was my weekend in Ft. Lauderdale spreading the VNN message.
Hopefully, it will result in a few new Racially aware White people!!
If it helped even 1 lost White person to our side of our race, than it was well worth it.

With the exception of nose piercing and her biker friends, it was pretty normal.

Oh yes, 2 British guys also seemed to be really peeved when they saw the word "Aryan" on the front page...went from friendly to upset in seconds, not seeming to want to actually read the thing.

Alex, in theory, I do agree with 'Aryan' as a term that illustrates us.
But, in practice on the mean streets of Amerikwa, I was thinking that possibly "White" may help because people still are very anti-nazi in many facets.
'Nazi' seems to be worse than 'Racist' as a term probably due to the amount that the word 'Racist/racism' is used in our society.

One rarely hears the word 'Nazi' anymore in the serious present tense form anymore.

Just some thoughts.
 
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Derrick. You are a stud. Very fascinating report. It takes balls to go out and hand them out, even at a gun show, even to folks you wont know from Adam. Great job and interesting observations. I am sure this report will be considered carefully. Thanks for getting it out there, I have long thought gun shows an under-utlized venue for WN literature handouts.

Let me say this: on content, TAA beats the crap out of "the New American" the Bircher rag.
 
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Bravo Derreck !!! Great job !!! Hand-to-hand is the most effective method of tabloid distributions.

I agree that the word "Aryan" probably should not appear on page 1, for the reason you mentioned. I prefer "White". I also recommend "This is the White Friendly newspaper", appear in large letters on front page.

When someone complains that it's a racist newspaper, you can say, "What's the matter with you? Blacks have hundreds of newspapers. Why the hell do you object to one White one? Do you hate your own people ?" (Something like that).

When I pass tabloids out, I say something like, "Hi, here's a newspaper for White people. You look like a good White man to me." And look them straight into their eyes with absolute confidence. Which puts them a bit on the defensive to start with.

I get some refusals, but since I expect some, I'm not discouraged. I have CHUTZPAH you see, and refuse to allow refusals to adversely effect my efforts to EXPOSE THE JEWS and wake up White folks.

INITIATIVE and CHUTZPAH !!!!

Again, great job Derreck. And thanks !!!
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I received $200 in today's mail from A.E. Bringing A.E.'s total amount contributed to the tabloid project to a whooping $497.00. We now lack around $700 to pay for the printing of 20,000 copies of the 16-pager, issue #2, though Alex says he'll kick in $200.

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I'm not so sure about that. Aryan is not an often used word. People may be more ignorant of it than you surmise.

Most American's cant find Afghanistan on a map. Why do we always think they will recognize these far less often presented concepts. If there is no swastika or brownshirts to group with the word, I think the word may tend to fly under the radar, like a dormant meme ready to be awakened.

as in, White man "ERWACHE!"
People may not be able to find Afghanistan on a map, but they have watched and read enough jewish poison to know Aryan=Nazi. It's kinda like the 6 million myth. No one can tell you how many Americans died in WWII but they sure know about the magic 6.

There should have been a different name for the paper but that's water under the bridge now.
 
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Bravo Derreck !!! Great job !!! Hand-to-hand is the most effective method of tabloid distributions.

I agree that the word "Aryan" probably should not appear on page 1, for the reason you mentioned. I prefer "White". I also recommend "This is the White Friendly newspaper", appear in large letters on front page.

When someone complains that it's a racist newspaper, you can say, "What's the matter with you? Blacks have hundreds of newspapers. Why the hell do you object to one White one? Do you hate your own people ?" (Something like that).

When I pass tabloids out, I say something like, "Hi, here's a newspaper for White people. You look like a good White man to me." And look them straight into their eyes with absolute confidence. Which puts them a bit on the defensive to start with.

I get some refusals, but since I expect some, I'm not discouraged. I have CHUTZPAH you see, and refuse to allow refusals to adversely effect my efforts to EXPOSE THE JEWS and wake up White folks.

INITIATIVE and CHUTZPAH !!!!

Again, great job Derreck. And thanks !!!
Seeing you on that Forrest Sawyer interview, I can believe it. You probably win em for our side just with that one phrase.

Sometimes one sentence spoken in person with confidence can make all the difference.

Having been subjected to integrated schools and years of "higher edumafacation" I learned to reflexively apologize for anything good spoken of "Whites." VNN has been a year after year un-learning of that conditioned self negating response. The younguns here will know what I mean.

Thanks Rounder, thank Alex, and everyone for helping us gain confidence in our own kind.
 
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Yeah, Steve Miller and I enjoyed our all-expense-paid trip to the Rotten Apple where I appeared on that TV show with Forrest Sawyer in 85. I told millions that the jews control the media and rule America while knowing that few believed me, but confident I was at least planting the "jew-seed" inside many gentile heads.

Plus, being on TV pleased our Redneck "rooters" back home and caused many more to join the White Patriot Party.
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Yeah, Steve Miller and I enjoyed our all-expense-paid trip to the Rotten Apple where I appeared on that TV show with Forrest Sawyer in 85. I told millions that the jews control the media and rule America while knowing that few believed me, but confident I was at least planting the "jew-seed" inside many gentile heads.

Plus, being on TV pleased our Redneck "rooters" back home and caused many more to join the White Patriot Party.
You looked ten times more sane and calm than nearly every other pro-White figure I have ever seen on tv. WLP and Matt Hale excepted. But you were more telegenic than Pierce, I will say. Maybe I'm biased because you looked like my cousin. LOL

I dont know if you saw Matt Hale's last interview on TV, with John Kasich, but it was a winner and we enjoyed it greatly around here. "But we reject your values Mr Kasich..."
 
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You looked ten times more sane and calm than nearly every other pro-White figure I have ever seen on tv. WLP and Matt Hale excepted. But you were more telegenic than Pierce, I will say. Maybe I'm biased because you looked like my cousin. LOL

I dont know if you saw Matt Hale's last interview on TV, with John Kasich, but it was a winner and we enjoyed it greatly around here. "But we reject your values Mr Kasich..."
Compliments are always appreciated by this old Redneck.

Yeah, I have a video tape of Matt giving a lengthy speech at a public library, and an audio tape of another. I was highly impressed with his intelligence, and proficiency in presenting our case. I still mail books to Matt BTW, though the feds won't allow my letters to reach him.

That day in the CBS coffee lounge, the then kike Secretary of Defense, Harold Brown who also appeared on CBS that day, came in and got himself a cup of coffee. I'm certain he was aware of who I was because he got extremely nervous and aggitated when he looked at me standing about 12 feet away. He had the appearance of a crazy man about to commit murder, as he figgeted and frowned. I stared him down and he wouldn't look me in the eyes for more than a second, but would glance back quickly, then turn away again with jerky body movements. After about 3 minutes tops, he turned and walked out the door.

I remember it like it was yesterday.
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