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Where do you draw the line when calling other whites traitors? I'm not being antagonistic here. I've been through various stages as a WN. First hating blacks, then jews and now mostly the whites who sell us out. I can't find it in me to hate this kid though. I was never in the armed forces but my younger brother was. He joined because he left school with poor qualifications, was stuck in a dead end job, wanted to see the world and the army promised him they would teach him skills that would lead to better employment later in civilian life. Probably the same reasons Cyrus Thatcher joined. |
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So-called "bloodless" coup d'etats or revolutions that bring about drastic change are anything but that. And, any proactive, pro White revolution on behalf of the Folk cannot be accomplished without some support and contact from military Folk who are enlisted by the very government that we oppose. So, let's discuss this theoretically: We either find Men in the Military and take the time to discuss our concerns and goals with them or we dismiss them all as jew tools and insult and ignore them - regardless of the fact that they are Aryan and might well have more sympathy and empathy for our cause, and for our Folk than presumed. Taking such course is time consuming since trust, on both sides, must first be established. However the risk, for both is worth taking - so long as the contact being made by those in our cause does not endanger anyone within the movement except the initial contact (ie, potential for arrest should a contacted soldier decide to pass along one's name and information ect.) The Soldier who does realise that he is in agreement with our cause and decides to study and follow and eventually to protect our Folk in future by joining and committing himself to us actively takes a risk of being discovered for involving himself in what could be and would likely be considered "treason" or seditious acts against the Occupying government for whom he works and serves - at this point in time, ZOG or JOG for lack of a better term. For in agreeing to commit, the Soldier agrees to recruit from amongst other Soldiers those who he feels would also be good candidates to join our cause and who would not discuss this committment with those who would turn them in (nigger soldiers, COs who are careless of their men and are only interested in serving the government, furthering their own military careers ect) - However, starting with just a few such Soldiers, a liasion and even a beginnings of a well-trained and combat proven and ready Army of our own might be established. The other alternative is to somehow ignore the math which sets the odds against our taking control by expecting "bloodless" reclamation of our lands, Nations, governments as well as full or partial agreement of our populace within. This expectation is unrealistic in that common sense dictates that no Occupying government within our Nations is going to agree to just step down and go away when they have a fully armed and ready to go military apparatus and men at their disposal. So by disparaging and ignoring the Aryan Men who are serving and even fighting for the enemy governments which we oppose and expressing satisfaction over their deaths seems counter-productive to our ultimate goal which is to not just sit before computers and post on internet forums indefinitely. Either we look for and nurture and educate dissatisfied Aryan Soldiers, taking the above mentioned risk for both sides or we can set up from within our movement, and a basically civilian population who basically has little to none actual combat experience and make them into soldiers. This of course would the ideal, however, doing so requires much practical consideration: Armies are not built out of nothing. And committment and an oath does buy arms nor clothe nor feed such a citizen Army. We do not bring up for discussion living arrangement for this Army and their families nor training facilities and payment for their service since all would have to be very covert. It's not impossible to achieve this goal, however, certain type contacts which would be necessary for us to succeed ideally are extremely expensive. Such citizen based Nationalist Armies have been set up in other lands, so perhaps before we dispense with any attempt to find Soldiers from within the existing military, we might perhaps contact such Nationalist based citizen armies and find out how they did it, if they will talk with us. We must look at how successful they have been, and at what cost in lives and finances have their Armies been set up. In America, the more recent first wave of "zogbots", ie, White Men who joined the Military came on the heels of an unprecedented attack against America, on American soil, the mainland, in fact, the very financial heart of America, New York City. The Men who joined right after the attack did so out of anger and patriotism. They would not have been suitable for contact. America is now, several years later, still at war and Aryan Men are still enlisting as well as re-newing their contracts with military and it is not out of patriotism per se - for many it is simply the fact that the economy has failed, we are in Global Depression and military is the one job that guarantees an income with benefits for the Men and their Families, if they have them. All of those who decide to re-enlist usually do so after having taken some time off to take advantage government promises to give them a college education (a failed promise btw) but does not compensate them in any other way, so they also work while they study. Well, there is no work. So they re-enlist. So, Karl, I am asking you, in your opinion - which of above scenario is best. Regards EG Last edited by EireannGoddess; July 22nd, 2009 at 05:23 PM. |
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You are correct when you state that the government that currently exists isn't simply going to disappear, because one wishes that it would do so. To think otherwise is to engage in Alice in Wonderland type thinking, but what must be recognised here is that the government will likely not be wholly hostile. Since treating a government as being a wholly hostile entity de-racialises the folk who are within that government: since government is, if you want to use a model everybody understands, a business or a corporation depending how you look at it. In every revolution of all the various types (palace conspiracy, external conspiracy, popular etc) there has always been an element, varying in size and ostensive importance (but usually integral to the success of that revolution), that was committed, or at least positive about, that revolution. Treating 'government' as an enemy as the leftists do is a considerable mistake, because as I said it de-racialises the folk and makes them simply part of an abstract legal entity. That causes people who claim to be care about the folk and to be fighting for them: to believe that anybody who is employed in that entity is 'the problem'. When in fact if targeted with propaganda and a little respect and kindness they would respond to this revolution positively, because they were viewed as people with real hopes, fears and lives rather than as cogs of some vast machine whose only existence is on a legal document. This applies to the point about soldiers in so far as the soldiers are viewed not as a people, but as cogs of the machine of government. This takes away their racial identity and allows people to treat them with contempt, because they are not part of their reality, but rather simply something they can attack as the source of their problems. Now if we understand this: we can look at the pros and cons of recruitment of soldiers in a little detail. Since we have now understood that the soldiers are not just 'cogs in the machine', but rather members of the folk who are, by en large, there because they have all the right feelings and ambitions, but these feelings and ambitions have been misdirected into simply blaming the liberals, muzzies and the commies for the ills of America without pointing out that jews, like the muzzies, are racially-opposed to the very ideals that they are fighting for. In terms of creating an army from scratch, as you would have to if you rejected soldiers as 'cogs in the machine' as Thomson's 'ZOG' theory does, there are some pros and cons to this. On the pro-side of the fence we have that at this level: one could build up a more ideologically, and potentially selective, force based more around complete homogenuity rather than allowing for a certain amount of hetereogenuity. There is also more opportunity to do so in secret without being found out as it isn't hard to acquire large amounts of weapons in the United States if one goes about obtaining them individually/in small batches and legally. There is also more opportunity of successfully training a guerrilla force if you were to do so from scratch (for example: Farc in Columbia, the Maoist guerrillas in Nepal and India as well as the IRA in Ireland). On the con side of the fence you have the fact that your forces would be amateurs with little to no practical experience of fighting and no matter how much one thinks one is ready for combat: one doesn't know how one is going to handle it until one has actually experienced it. There is also the additional point that it will take a considerable amount of monetary resources to set up such a force, the expenditure and movement of which would, perforce, need to be concealed in some fashion, and one would have to question how such capital would be raised and then spent. There is also, with a force raised from the scratch, the increased probability that a person involved, despite the potentially increased ideological homogenuity, is going to turn king's evidence (i.e. informant). Since if we face the fact that there is likely going to be individuals who think it is all a great idea and an adventure at the start, but then when it comes down to brass tacks and the gritty reality of being political soliders will become disatisifed and even scared by what they are doing and seek to protect themselves by offering information to the security services. Now with a force raised from the existing military we also have pro and con arguments. On the pro side of the fence we have that the members of your force are already going to be trained, possibly even combat veterans, so little additional training will be required as they already have all the skills and knowledge they will need for a force of this kind. They also will have experience under fire, in training or in actual combat, and will know how they should react to such situations i.e. dealing with the situation rather than going into a panic and holding down the trigger at a nearby bush. There is also the plus point that these soldiers will already know the importance of keeping secrets and know that one does not explain to your local bar the fact that you are conducting black ops and how many throats you slit yesterday (whilst those acquired from scratch are more than likely to do this). We also have to consider that less of an investment, in terms of capital and other resources, will be required in such a force, because they will not require much training, less disciplinary measures and likely will have access to their own weapons and ammunition. On the con side we really only have the risk in their intial acquisition. In so far as talking to soldiers about political subjects is quite hard to do and would require special expertise, because soldiers are not going to risk their family's source of bread for some half-baked pamphlet. There is also the very real possibility that, as you say, the acquisition process might reach somebody who is unfriendly to it, such as a nigger, who would report it to the security services exposing the propagandist. In essence then there are good arguments for both strategems for creating the necessary revolutionary force, but it is plain I think that creating a unit from scratch with people who barely know the meaning of discipline let alone tactics as well as the significantly larger capital and resource investment (and all the risks that causes) is simply not practical today in the era of electronic surveillance and the internet. The only way to proceed with such a plan in theory would be to look to acquire soldiers and that, as we have said, can only occur when we recognise that soldiers are not simply 'cogs in the machine', but rather are members of the folk who are simply doing the best they can. To view them as anything else is to simply de-racialise the folk and propound the leftist viewpoint that the world is full of abstract entities that need to be fought for their own sake, rather than there being a world full of our folk who need to be fought for not against. You don't fight against something, but rather you fight for something, but we both know you already know that.
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It is particularly foolish to attack those who you are supposed to be for as 'stupid', 'dumb' and otherwise lacking in mental faculties that you believe you especially possess. To be honest: I've met more stupid 'WNs' who thought they were God's gift to the world than I have conservatives in general. Most of the conservatives, and even liberals, I have met have been genuinely good people who merely need to be shown they are cared about and lavished a little attention on to begin to bloom into a healthy weltanschauung. Quote:
As for the evident cynicism of your post: I agree to a degree from a purely intellectual standpoint, but unfortunately in the real world good propaganda has to be genuinely felt, rather than putting out crocodile tears the tears must be real. People want you to care about them and if you don't it is soon reflected in your actions and thought. If you don't care about the folk and those people you are so quick to insult then you are no racialist let alone a nationalist. As I said you have to be for the folk you say you fight for and not simply against an imagined entity that you lambast in the term 'ZOG'. Quote:
'Children' attack (while maintaining they are merely 'questioning') all authority on the presumption that they have 'natural/individual/God-given rights', while 'Adults' criticise those in authority who work, actively or passively, against the folk and seek to replace them by any and all practical means, rather than attacking authority itself as an easy substitute for more detailed analysis. Comprehend the distinction? Quote:
It is evident you know very little (i.e. do not apply what you may or may not have read) about history, revolutions and/or the American armed forces: no matter what you claim. The reason for that is simple in so far as you are apparently far more interested in slandering the very people who you would need to help you in a revolution of any kind than actually thinking logically about how to advance the 'radical right' revolutionary cause. It is far easier to sit behind a computer launching invective against 'da man' rather than doing something a little more productive both intellectually and on the ground. You'll whine, bitch and try to make a cutting remark (or two) about that I am sure, but that is in essence the reality of your existence: isn't it? Quote:
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Oh wait! You are an ex-Green Beret who was awarded numerous medals for bravery and now has become his local radio station's choice pundit on all military matters: right?
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Ya know it really burns the fuck out of me when I see so much troop/veteran bashing. 99% of them do not know the governments motives, and they are fighting for us and what they think is right.
If most of the people on here truly believe that the only thing a fallen soldier that was fighting for us deserves is a spit in the face, then fuck this place. I would never degrade our troops in such a way, especially the white ones. And the ones who do, are true pieces of shit.
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To degrade the people that put their lives on the line and lose their lives fighting for their country and what they think is right is so childish and immature, and everyone that does it should be sent out to the front lines.
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Fighting for us? How the fuck was he fighting for us? I live in Colorado. My family lives in Texas. I can't recall ever hearing that Afghanistan has invaded Texas or Colorado...or threatened to.
The only country on Earth that has attacked us in the last 50 years is Israel. If this kid died on the line killing Israelis I would honor his memory profoundly. I'm not happy with this kid's death, but I'll never blame the Afghans who fight the invaders, nor the Iraqis. Mike
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I won't argue on this. I do remember our country being bombed (and no one start with the theories on that, because I'm not getting into it.). It was only natural for us to respond, even if there was an ulterior motive. And what are you talking about? The muslims are just as bad as the jews. All of their countries need to be taken out.
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Tony, Donnie, myself and I'm sure several others here are veterans. I would hope that we at least can remember being 18 or 19 and thinking that enlisting was the right thing to do...whether it was for adventure, travel, college tuition or simply because there were no other options in life at the time. The kid's family, friends and neighbors will remember him as a hero. And that's fine by me. |
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The point I was trying to make is that it is so disrespectful and in horrible taste to mock White Vets, soldiers, and especially dead ones.
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I believe that they think they are doing their country a service, and I will not hold that against them.
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Nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out!
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Naturally, because 80% constitute the majority, you must fit in right? Why are you here if you're so concerned about popular opinion? May as well be a Liberal.
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Where have I been so concerned about the popular opinion??? I think it's apparant that quite a few people disagree with a lot of what I have to say...which is fine by me. So, no, sorry I don't see myself as part of the majority.
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