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Also on Radio Free Mississippi this week:

Schedule: (All times are Central Standard Time, CST)

Craig Cobb at 10:00 a.m. Sunday the 13th
Daniel Jones at 01:00 p.m. Sunday the 13th
Dr. Kevin MacDonald at 10:00 a.m. Monday the 14th
Mary Newsom (Chris Newsom's mother) at 8:00 a.m. Thursday the 17th

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http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/...alexlinder.mp3

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Also on Radio Free Mississippi this week:

Schedule: (All times are Central Standard Time, CST)

Craig Cobb at 10:00 a.m. Sunday the 13th
Daniel Jones at 01:00 p.m. Sunday the 13th
Dr. Kevin MacDonald at 10:00 a.m. Monday the 14th
Mary Newsom (Chris Newsom's mother) at 8:00 a.m. Thursday the 17th

http://rebelarmy.com/

Wow !!! That's a hell of an impressive line-up.
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Hunter Wallace responds to Linder's interview:


Interview: Alex Linder III

Dec 13th, 2009 by Hunter Wallace

Jim Giles has a two hour long interview with Alex Linder. Yesterday evening, I listened to the whole thing and have been mulling over writing a response. The first hour is given over to discussing the Bill White legal saga. The second is concerned mostly with the subject of White leadership. I found this latter segment to be of particular interest.

I like Alex Linder. In this struggle, I consider him an ally. We agree on fundamentals: raising the Jewish Question, a White ethnostate, the futility of conservatism. I’m willing to grant that Linder has an important role to play in the pro-White movement. Aside from Kevin MacDonald, I can’t think of anyone who has done more to raise awareness of the Jewish Question over the past ten years. He has created an institutional discursive space on the internet that has put out a consistent anti-Semitic product over a considerable period of time.

That said, I found myself disagreeing with Linder on a number of points made in the second half of the broadcast. This will be a critical review.

1.) Linder repeated his malicious attack on Greg Johnson. He reminded his listeners that he took pride in contributing to the death of Sam Francis. Linder danced on his grave. He revisited ridiculing Francis for his appearance. This is consistent with his ad hominem attacks on Jared Taylor as a “polished turd” and tool of the Jews. In Linder’s mind, this relates back to making a conscious choice to be either a radical or respectable.

I don’t see what trash talk of this sort accomplishes. It is not radical; It is dishonorable, adolescent, and counterproductive. In the eyes of his audience, it actually militates against the substantial point that Linder is trying to make. As a strategem, it recalls to mind the time Linder posted interracial pornography on the VNN frontpage. It completely backfired.

Abandoning any pretense of Jewish respectability, that is, speaking openly and honestly about race and the Jewish Question, mocking PC and multiculturalism; that should not be confused with disavowing White respectability per se, which is acting in an honorable fashion, conducting yourself as a gentleman.

2.) Linder attacked the whole stable of TOQ/TOO writers. His position is essentially this: MacDonald is taking us down the same misguided Sam Francis faileocon path; we don’t want to lead; we don’t want to get out in the street in engage in activism; we’re merely kibbitzing with our essays; we already have plenty of this material; these “dinner parties” accomplish nothing; we’re not infiltrating the elite; we’re academics who over-intellectualize what is simple; we want to be safe and respectable; we engage in fundraising and divert scarce capital from more worthy causes. That’s a fairly accurate summary.

My response:

- Linder is being mendacious. He knows the Sam Francis criticism is unfair. TOQ and TOO openly address the Jewish Question. He knows we endorse a White ethnostate. He knows very well that Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, Ted Sallis and others reject conservatism. He has said so himself. There is no substance to this charge. It is just more radical-than-thou posturing.

- Linder has a weakness for race-blind libertarianism. In fact, rhetorical attacks on “conservatism” aside, in substance he is a rightwing conservative/libertarian on most issues, especially economics and the relative size of government.

- Different people have varying talents. The intellectuals who write for TOQ/TOO (who are mostly academics) tend to be highly educated introverts. They don’t have the personality type that would make them effective political organizers. This is not cowardice on their part. It is realism. They are making use of their strengths to contribute in their own way, which is all that can be asked, and far more than what most are doing.

- White Americans don’t have the requisite racial consciousness that would allow street level activism to succeed. The U.S. in 2009 isn’t Weimar Germany in 1931. A White ADL is a good idea, but a premature one. We have to change the culture first. That is mostly a war of ideas. Jews were fighting this war of ideas in the 1920’s (Boas & Co.) and the 1930’s (ex. Partisan Review) before they began influence public policy (1940’s and 1950’s). Aside from the TOQ/TOO community, can you point to anyone else on our side who is doing this, and by that I mean in a presentable way?

- We’re pushing at the margins of respectable discourse. These essays contain memes which can take on a life of their own. Memes that originate in the White Nationalist community have found their way (via discourse poisoning) into the national political conversation before. The discursive milieu that an individual is immersed has a strong influence on his/her identity.

For example, Americans who attend church on a regular basis tend to have attitudes and opinions that atheists/agnostics do not. Linder himself has stressed the importance of Jewish control of the media in socializing Whites into anti-racist mores. The WN media operates in the same way.

- We don’t have enough of this material. Occidental Dissent is one of the few blogs on the internet that publishes material about White Nationalism on a daily basis. We have a handful of people doing radio. Aside from Craig Bodeker, no one exploiting film. Aside from the skinhead and folk metal scene, no one doing music. White Nationalism has one huge forum, a regular newsletter, and a handful of other sites. That’s it. Our limited reach reflects the limits of the WN media.

- White Nationalism is almost exclusively a cyberspace phenomena. Internet relationships are fragile and tend to correlate with social withdrawl. We need more real life meetups, not less. These “dinner parties” are a good thing.

- The conspiracy we are engaged in has been reasonably effective, but Linder is not in a position to be privy to that information and consequently to judge its results.

- As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era.

- Kevin MacDonald has experienced considerable harassment and social ostracism. The Whites who write for TOO/TOQ are also subject to ritual shaming, but most of them are clever enough to avoid it by using pseudonyms.

- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.

I would like to end on a positive note. Linder has influenced my thinking on the Jewish Question. His constant hammering away at the issue stuck in mind. Jewish influence is a major problem in our society. I don’t think we should shy away from the Jewish role. That was the essence of Linder’s criticism. To this laudatory end, I have started a new website that focuses exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...ex-linder-iii/
 
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I detest it when White Nationalists spend their time attacking other White Nationalists, unless in the rare instances where there is some indication that the person under attack is a mole, which isn't the case with the Occidental Quarterly or Kevin MacDonald. As a matter of fact, WN who routinely attack other leaders in the movement place themselves under suspicion of being deep cover moles. What other reason is there for firing cannonballs within one's own lines, other than personality disorder and immaturity? Linder's great fault is that he picks a quarrel with every movement leader there happens to be, which makes coordinated efforts impossible. Not that it particularly matters. The movement is so marginal what real difference does marginalizing activity like attacking the OQ really have? None. It is a hopeless cause anyway. It is our own little buffalo dance.
 
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Jim giles is turning into the larry King of white talk, except he doesn't remind you of a lizard and he's not a sleazy kikester


He needs our support and promotion
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- White Nationalism is almost exclusively a cyberspace phenomena. Internet relationships are fragile and tend to correlate with social withdrawl. We need more real life meetups, not less. These “dinner parties” are a good thing.

- The conspiracy we are engaged in has been reasonably effective, but Linder is not in a position to be privy to that information and consequently to judge its results.

- As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era.

- Kevin MacDonald has experienced considerable harassment and social ostracism. The Whites who write for TOO/TOQ are also subject to ritual shaming, but most of them are clever enough to avoid it by using pseudonyms.

- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.

I would like to end on a positive note. Linder has influenced my thinking on the Jewish Question. His constant hammering away at the issue stuck in mind. Jewish influence is a major problem in our society. I don’t think we should shy away from the Jewish role. That was the essence of Linder’s criticism. To this laudatory end, I have started a new website that focuses exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/200...ex-linder-iii/

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Thank you for the thoughtful review Mr. Wallace.

Yes, the so called Civil war was a flat out crime by Northern folk lead by Bank elite's who stirred it up for years proceding that horrible tragedy. Also remember Northerner's were jailed and arrested by the thousands and NY State was never for it, though many of its natural born son's died on Southern soil, and the insurrection in NYC of 1864 killed thousands, but is erronously known as the draft riots.


As for jooish power they had alot of it in the U.S. with the hold on media prior to Dec. 7, 1941, but it was that crime of high Treason IMO that has allowed the boot to be put on our necks today and bent US over at airports with homoland insecurity savages handling US and our loved ones.

The White men and majority of Congress were steadfastly against going to war in Europe on the side of Joseph Stalin and his killers who controlled Russia with Terror calling it the USSR, for two plus years prior to Dec. 7,1941 hence the Cabal's need for the set up with the crime of murder and treason to get Japan to attack US With Pearl Harbor. The enemy alien media could then scream war with head lines of Sneak Attack b.s. Most of US then had no idea Where Pearl Harbor was.

As for Linder, I agree the attacks on Francis and Taylor are in the end not worthy at all. Any one who accepts money or gifts, should not yell about others who do so.

Insults and infighting with Straight Whites who are trying to awaken others too like Original Dissent Forum by some VNN posters is IMO the work of a sophist at best.

I do not listen to the radio show.
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Old December 13th, 2009 #7
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Wallace said

" - As numerous posts have shown, the Single Jewish Cause theory is indefensible. Northern Whites embarked on the suicidal path in the Civil War era."

Newsflash: Jews existed prior to the Civil War. They have undermined all the people of the earth with whom they've come into contact. There were jews behind the French Revolution, and behind the American Revolution. Read E. Michael Jones's _The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit_, and get his magazine "Culture Wars."

Wallace's position is either

a. I can't see the forest for the trees. After all, not everything can be blamed on disease theory; flu is a bad thing, too!

b. He's a crypto jew, infiltrating WN to blame White people for getting cancer instead of blaming the cancer.

JEWS ARE THE PROBLEM. Not Lincoln, not the estate tax, not the removal of the Stars 'N' Bars by "liberals," not even niggers. Those are merely heads of the hydra. The hydra is the jew.

Everybody has problems. Drink and divorce, perhaps, or being overweight, or not making enough money. Every people has problems. *But there is no problem like being genocided.* There is no problem like disappearing as a people. That the *THE* problem. And the root cause of that problem is that jews have wounded us, like a dog wounding a bear. The solution to the problem is NOT for the bear to blame himself. To wonder what internal weakness he has that caused his flesh to be susceptible to being wounded by the teeth of a dog. To fret that he is not as quick and agile as the dog. To wallow in morose soul-searching and naval-gazing. No, the solution is for him to KILL THAT DOG (and any others in the vicinity).

Jews are not the cause of all the problems that humans face; they are, however, the cause of THE problem (i.e., the fundamental problem) that our people faces. They are a predator that wounds us and is killing us. They must be beaten and exterminated before we die. They are not a COMPETITOR in the honorable sense, and we have not been bested in a fair fight. They're demons who have poisoned us, dogs who have ripped out the throats of our loved ones. You don't respond to that by blaming yourself and declaring: "The problem isn't them. It's ME...! Boo hoo, boo hoo!!!" You respond to that by KILLING THE JEWS.

Wallace should try reading a little more about jews and a little less about Civil War arcana.

Anyone who says jews aren't Problem #1 is stone-cold ignorant about most of history - or a jew himself.

Wallace continues:

"- Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White? Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site."

You're a liar. Linder solicited money once for a legal defense fund for someone else. He has never solicited money for himself. (New America used to do that, in the comments section of the main site. Remember his "Send Alex $50" mantra? But that wasn't Linder.)

Wallace, you liar, direct us to any online appeal for money that Linder has made for himself or for VNN.

I'm getting sick of these Stormfart types popping up with their little suspicious comments to the effect that "Linder is okay, but we need to take the focus off the jews." "Let's not blame the jews for this." "We need to de-emphasize all the anti-jewish stuff." "Don't look at the jews - look over here, instead! Look over there! Look anywhere but at the kike!" "It just isn't nice or rational to talk against the jewish faith," etc. etc.

Seems there are a lot of these suspicious types popping up lately.
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Old December 13th, 2009 #8
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His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.
Say what you want about VNN, but to me (a non-intellectual, average white guy), VDARE and OccObserver are both confusing, cluttered eyesores.

Plus, we don't need any more eggheadery. Alex is totally right on this point. Not to mention that Alex could out-egghead 95% of the so-called White Nationalist intellectual elite.

Alex is very smart, and he's very composed when he speaks in a way that is reminiscent (even superseding) Matt Hale. His way of putting his thoughts into clear, concise, inspiring speech is unmatched in the so-called movement right now. Listening to David Duke is like listening to Kermit the Frog.

I think if Alex got his health back, he would be a very effective leader for the proposal he made last night. The great thing about him is that he makes excellent, irrefutable points, AND NEVER MILQUETOASTS IT UP like some of these other so-called intellectual eggheads running their mouths (or keyboards as it were).

If it takes a change of scenery, then so be it. I know that it's difficult to uproot and move to an area that you may or may not have any support/family/friends in, but the old adage is true; if you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything.

Move to Utah or Arizona and fire it up.
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Quite the line-up indeed. I'm looking forward to all those guests.
 
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Alex is very smart . . .
Relax, nut hugger. Linder also says Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries is crap. He's no Charles Lindbergh.

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Move to Utah or Arizona and fire it up.
I lived in Utah for over five years, and in two different cities. It's both cold and snowy as hell there in the winter. Salt Lake also has serious smog problems. And yeah, Arizona's nice - if you like ovens.
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Whatever works. Dryer climate. If the Missouri air is literally fucking killing him, he needs to get to the southwest.

I'm no Linder nut-hugger. I accidentally called him a catfish once. The thing is, Linder fucking inspires me when he speaks. When I listen to the Arthur Kemps, David Dukes, and Jared Taylors of the world, the only thing that goes through my mind is how much I'd like to punch them in the nose.
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Relax, nut hugger. Linder also says Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries is crap. He's no Charles Lindbergh.



I lived in Utah for over five years, and in two different cities. It's both cold and snowy as hell there in the winter. Salt Lake also has serious smog problems. And yeah, Arizona's nice - if you like ovens.
And jews,...lots and lots of jews,...I would say Arizona is the Florida of the west at this point.

I like Linder's views on many subjects, however I think he is wrong believing that protesting niggers, spics and jews is going to accomplish a single thing, the time for petty protest is over my friends, it only gets your face out to be identified by the enemy, I agree with Tom Metzger on this 100%.

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S. Gruber- nice post. Yes, there are folks all over trying to soften the blow. Does MacDonald discuss the "bankers?" Is 911 or Silverstein or Madoff discussed on OD? Etc.

Hunter Wallace called himself a "Communitarian" several weeks ago. It is purely establishment.

"The modern communitarian movement was first articulated by the Responsive Communitarian Platform, written in the United States by a group of ethicists, activists, and social scientists including Amitai Etzioni, Mary Ann Glendon, and William Galston.

The Communitarian Network, founded in 1993 by (JEW) Amitai Etzioni, is the best-known group advocating communitarianism. One of the network's many initiatives to reach out to a broader public is the transnational project Diversity within Unity, which advocates a communitarian approach towards immigration and minority rights in today's diversifying societies. The project is endorsed by a diverse and international group of supporters, including current Dutch prime-minister Jan-Peter Balkenende from the Christian Democratic Appeal; Rita Süssmuth from the Christian Democratic Union; the Hungarian dissident and philosopher György Bence; British political scholar David Miller; and others.[6]

A think tank called the Institute for Communitarian Policy Studies is also directed by Etzioni. Other voices of communitarianism include Don Eberly, director of the Civil Society Project and Robert Putnam.

Influence in the United States

Reflecting the dominance of liberal and conservative politics in the United States, no major party and few elected officials advocate communitarianism. Thus there is no consensus on individual policies, but some that most communitarians endorse have been enacted.

President Bill Clinton was open about his support for much of Amitai Etzioni's philosophy, though whether this reflected on his actual policy program is debatable. It has also been suggested that the "compassionate conservatism" espoused by President Bush during his 2000 presidential campaign was a form of conservative communitarian thinking, though he too did not implement it in his policy program. Cited policies have included economic and rhetorical support for education, volunteerism, and community programs, as well as a social emphasis on promoting families, character education, traditional values, and faith-based projects.

Dana Milbank, writing in the Washington Post, remarked of modern communitarians, "There is still no such thing as a card-carrying communitarian, and therefore no consensus on policies. Some, such as John DiIulio and outside Bush adviser Marvin Olasky, favor religious solutions for communities, while others, like Etzioni and Galston, prefer secular approaches."[7]"

Communitarianism Communitarianism

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"Everybody has problems. Drink and divorce, perhaps, or being overweight, or not making enough money. Every people has problems. *But there is no problem like being genocided.* There is no problem like disappearing as a people. That the *THE* problem. And the root cause of that problem is that jews have wounded us, like a dog wounding a bear. The solution to the problem is NOT for the bear to blame himself. To wonder what internal weakness he has that caused his flesh to be susceptible to being wounded by the teeth of a dog. To fret that he is not as quick and agile as the dog. To wallow in morose soul-searching and naval-gazing. No, the solution is for him to KILL THAT DOG (and any others in the vicinity).

Jews are not the cause of all the problems that humans face; they are, however, the cause of THE problem (i.e., the fundamental problem) that our people faces. They are a predator that wounds us and is killing us. They must be beaten and exterminated before we die. They are not a COMPETITOR in the honorable sense, and we have not been bested in a fair fight. They're demons who have poisoned us, dogs who have ripped out the throats of our loved ones. You don't respond to that by blaming yourself and declaring: "The problem isn't them. It's ME...! Boo hoo, boo hoo!!!" You respond to that by KILLING THE JEWS.
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Relax, nut hugger. Linder also says Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries is crap. He's no Charles Lindbergh.
You're right about that. Lindbergh made only one mild mention of the jews operating the republic. And after FDR engineered Pearl Harbor, he flipped right over to the jew side.

Ride of the Valkyries is crap. The only reason you or anybody else likes it is because you think Hitler did and you associate it with Nazism. If you had never heard it, and someone played it, and told you it was written by a jew composer, you would say it sucked.

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I lived in Utah for over five years, and in two different cities. It's both cold and snowy as hell there in the winter. Salt Lake also has serious smog problems. And yeah, Arizona's nice - if you like ovens.
The advantage to the west, healthwise, lies in its dryness. The air is without the terrible humidity of the east and south.
 
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1.) Linder repeated his malicious attack on Greg Johnson.
How is calling him a homosexual a malicious attack?

He has never denied it. I'm not known a liar. I've never called anyone a jew/homo/informant when it couldn't be backed up. You know Johnson. Do you dare to ask him straight up whether he is a queer?

Greg Johnson is in fact a homosexual. And it is certainly relevant to know that someone in an important WN position is a homosexual.

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He reminded his listeners that he took pride in contributing to the death of Sam Francis. Linder danced on his grave.
True. I was absolutely consistent in my attacks on Francis while he was alive and after he died. My attacks were completely correct, completely vindicated by all history. I have nothing to apologize for, and I will continue to attack the obese loser and any self-styled WN who makes excuses for him or encourage others down his cowardly path of failure. He is the poster boy for trying to have it both ways, and nothing you or anyone writes can change that fact. Sam Francis never called himself a WN in any public column, but he blamed WN for not backing him up when he was fired. That shows you his character.

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This is consistent with his ad hominem attacks on Jared Taylor as a “polished turd” and tool of the Jews.
Polished turd is the best possible term to describe Jared Taylor. It fits him exactly. Apparently you and TOQ and MacDonald are unable to separate your politics from your personal friendships. I am. I see exactly what PT is doing, and I will continue to call him what he is, and encourage others to reject him.

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In Linder’s mind, this relates back to making a conscious choice to be either a radical or respectable.
Yes. Another way of putting it, as I advised in my long piece on Buchanan (here) is that the right way for us to go, who want what you call an ethnostate free of jews is to draw an indelible line between WN and conservatives. That means rejecting and treating as jew-liberals people like Jared Taylor and Pat Buchanan. You don't agree with this position, apparently. You, and many others, while saying you are not conservatives, have truck with them, and in practice write and seem to think as though we are all part of the same movement. What I have been trying to get across, for years, is that we are not. Buchanan, Vdare, Jared Taylor, have nothing to do with our cause. They are our enemies, not our friends.

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I don’t see what trash talk of this sort accomplishes. It is not radical; It is dishonorable, adolescent, and counterproductive.
Are you sure?

Here are things I find dishonorable.

- Sam Francis refusing to call himself WN, but demanding WN support.

- Greg Johnson refusing to admit he is a homosexual, nor to detail just what kind of a homo-network he is part of, or buliding inside TOQ.

- Greg Johnson allowing his writer 'Edmund Connolly' to plagiarize my concept of loxism, while pretending he conceived the need for such a concept/term on his own.

- Kevin MacDonald publicly praising public conservatives like Pat Buchanan who never even mention him, let alone praise him, while saying that people at VNN "aren't helping" when we come to his defense when he's under attack by the SPLC.

Those are not honorable. They are the actions of men who are character conservatives. Yes, they criticize jews. Which is good and necessary. But it's not sufficient to change things. If they don't follow the correct line, which I have laid down, then I can hardly be blamed for blaming them. This idea we should go our own way, and not criticize others who might be on our side for the way they do things - in practice, that leads to problems. And it's also self-refuting. When you or Johnson say VNN and I should go our own way and not worry about others, you're denying us our way. I criticize anyone who needs critism, on my side or not. That's our way.

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Abandoning any pretense of Jewish respectability, that is, speaking openly and honestly about race and the Jewish Question, mocking PC and multiculturalism; that should not be confused with disavowing White respectability per se, which is acting in an honorable fashion, conducting yourself as a gentleman.
Who is on whose side? People who call themselves WN but fawn after Buchanan and Jared Taylor and jew Paul Gottfried are the ones acting dishonorably and, more than that, stupidly. They aren't Aryan in the least. They plagiarize and fawn after those with more money or public fame than they have. This is not WN. It is the conservatism you say you reject.

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- Linder is being mendacious. He knows the Sam Francis criticism is unfair. TOQ and TOO openly address the Jewish Question. He knows we endorse a White ethnostate. He knows very well that Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, Ted Sallis and others reject conservatism. He has said so himself. There is no substance to this charge. It is just more radical-than-thou posturing.
I've already answered this above. Here, my point is, why use an absolutely silly term like 'ethnostate' - it's as dumb and misconceived as 'ethnic genetic interests.'

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- Linder has a weakness for race-blind libertarianism. In fact, rhetorical attacks on “conservatism” aside, in substance he is a rightwing conservative/libertarian on most issues, especially economics and the relative size of government.
True. We don't need government, not even a Nazi government, once we get the racial situation cleaned up. My position echoes with a lot more people than your big-government leftist academic view in which evil corporations are the real problem. Not only that, but you're completely missing what is unfolding right in front of your eyes. We don't need these government regulatory bodies. No matter where you look they are creating or exacerbating problems.

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- White Americans don’t have the requisite racial consciousness that would allow street level activism to succeed. The U.S. in 2009 isn’t Weimar Germany in 1931. A White ADL is a good idea, but a premature one. We have to change the culture first. That is mostly a war of ideas. Jews were fighting this war of ideas in the 1920’s (Boas & Co.) and the 1930’s (ex. Partisan Review) before they began influence public policy (1940’s and 1950’s). Aside from the TOQ/TOO community, can you point to anyone else on our side who is doing this, and by that I mean in a presentable way?
If TOQ or Vdare were serious about changing culture, they would be developing a HS curriculum, not writing high-level academic essays that are a long trudge, even for the educated.

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- As a supporter of free market capitalism, I am surprised that Linder is so critical of White entrepreneurs like Peter Brimelow and the successful enterprise he has created. Is it really a bad thing to make money off being pro-White?
Brimelow isn't pro-White. Ask him.

This is where you and I disagree most strongly. You think everyone out there who sort of agrees on some of the problems is on the same side. I think they are not. Brimelow is business to raise money. He is not a pro-White, and would never describe himself that way. He runs a government approved foundation and employs non-white writers, including jews.

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Pot calling the kettle black. I’ve seen Linder solicit donations on his own site. His neglect of the VNN front page is a contrast from the daily updated VDARE site.
VNN is updated daily, thanks to Socrates, and I have put out far more ideas, and better ideas, than anybody else on the Net. No one, by contrast, associates a single idea or expression with Brimelow - or anybody at Vdare. I haven't read that site in years, it's just there to draw money from the middle class, not to make change that helps Whites.

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exclusively on the JQ and fighting philo-Semitism, but in a measured way that avoids hyperbole and exaggeration.
Here's the truth about yourself, which you don't realize. Your value, which is great, lies in your knowledge of American racial history. That's where you are close to unique when it comes to 'net commentary. On the rest of the stuff, you'll come around to my position, as you already have in many ways. Sometimes you are echoing me without even seeming to know it.

I like your writing, and you. I get a little irritated at your straw man 'Single Jewish Cause,' but whatever, no big deal.

In conclusion:

- direct, vicious, even vulgar personal and political attacks are the right way to go, and we'll continue that here
- NOT crediting people, plagiarizing them, displaying a back-dog spirit of fawning after rich, successful conservatives, naming and citing them, but not naming and citing people on your own side - continues to be the wrong way to go, and TOQ and Johnson, and even MacDonald, should be ashamed of their actions in this regard
- altho personal attacks are good, specific claims should be backed by evidence. No one should be accused of being a jew, or a fed, unless there is evidence put out. Those who make false accusations should be and will continue to be shunned at VNN. I say our ethics are not lower than TOQs and the other jew-criticizing conservatives, they are higher. We have put out more and better ideas than they have, and our behavior has been stronger and purer.
- it IS the time for more activism. The woman down in StL can't get the school board to release the video of her daughter being attacked by a nigger. KM and TOQ and "Hunter Wallace" can write another 1000 essays, and that won't change. You can't change the culture except in very limited ways without controlling the government and the mass media. That means politics, and that means activism.

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"Everybody has problems. Drink and divorce, perhaps, or being overweight, or not making enough money. Every people has problems. *But there is no problem like being genocided.* There is no problem like disappearing as a people. That the *THE* problem. And the root cause of that problem is that jews have wounded us, like a dog wounding a bear. The solution to the problem is NOT for the bear to blame himself. To wonder what internal weakness he has that caused his flesh to be susceptible to being wounded by the teeth of a dog. To fret that he is not as quick and agile as the dog. To wallow in morose soul-searching and naval-gazing. No, the solution is for him to KILL THAT DOG (and any others in the vicinity).

Jews are not the cause of all the problems that humans face; they are, however, the cause of THE problem (i.e., the fundamental problem) that our people faces. They are a predator that wounds us and is killing us. They must be beaten and exterminated before we die. They are not a COMPETITOR in the honorable sense, and we have not been bested in a fair fight. They're demons who have poisoned us, dogs who have ripped out the throats of our loved ones. You don't respond to that by blaming yourself and declaring: "The problem isn't them. It's ME...! Boo hoo, boo hoo!!!" You respond to that by KILLING THE JEWS.
Yep. Very well put.

And this is the reason I will never let up hounding cunts, fakes and seducers like Sam-Jerry "Polished Turd" Taylor who tell us to blame our own grandparents but never ever mention the jews.
 
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No doubt in my mind that Alex Linder's struggle to keep the VNN Web Site up for almost ten years. Ten Years! Is a monument in its self of courage and he stayed out various traps I would Guess too.

I would presume with out VNN or some one else to have done it, there might not be half of us White folks awake today to the truths about jooo's and their history of back stabbing Western Nations with their folk.



As for Jerry Taylor and his A.R. which I have not read for five years now, but I do make use of their past articles and add to it What the joos role was in making a certain problem worse or creating it to begin with. For as every thing Alex Linder and others have critized Taylor have been the truth told about him which he deseve's, but I believe that A.R. has caused alot of White men to find/read VNNF.

A.R. and other coward's have helped plow the fields for VNNF to plant robust seeds.

With out a doubt joos read VNNF every day too and post too is my bet.



As for the spelling of jooo's that all they deserve.

One note on David Duke His Book "My Awakening" did reach what 300,000 copies, and he made such a great lecture on C-SPAN that the Congoids, joos and race traitors at CSPAN never let him on again as far as I know.
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As for Jerry Taylor and his A.R. which I have not read for five years now, but I do make use of their past articles and add to it What the joos role was in making a certain problem worse or creating it to begin with. For as every thing Alex Linder and others have critized Taylor have been the truth told about him which he deseve's, but I believe that A.R. has caused alot of White men to find/read VNNF.
If so, then against PTurd's policy, because he never linked to us once, except when a certain someone wrote a review of one of his conferences. And then the link was in the tiniest font size possible. It truly was funny.

Too many of you people are far too generous in assessing motives. Politics is dirty stuff. You have to be very careful who is your real friend and who isn't. Who is actually on your side, and who is only pretending to be. AmRen has nothing to do with VNN, and Samuel Jared "Polished Turd" Taylor is our enemy. We are white nationalists. He is a kosher nationalist.

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One note on David Duke His Book "My Awakening" did reach what 300,000 copies, and he made such a great lecture on C-SPAN that the Congoids, joos and race traitors at CSPAN never let him on again as far as I know.
I don't criticize Duke because he names the jew and truly has fought the fight for Whites. Not to say I like him or support him, but he is truly a WN, despite his flaws. PT Taylor is not.
 
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Ride of the Valkyries is crap.
No it's not.

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The only reason you or anybody else likes it is because you think Hitler did and you associate it with Nazism.
Once again you're wrong, although you'll never admit it. I've liked Ride of the Valkyries since I first saw Apocalypse Now when I was in high school. And I wasn't a racialist at the time. Stop second-guessing my motives, Linder. You don't know me.

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If you had never heard it, and someone played it, and told you it was written by a jew composer, you would say it sucked.
Oh, would I? Do you own a crystal ball, Linder? I happen to like Mendelssohn's music, and he was a Jew. I also think Joel and Ethan Coen have made some great films, and they're Jews. What do you have to say about that, smart guy?
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