#1 Amanda Knox Thread

[Alex Linder]

According to Burleigh, the young men who lived in the downstairs flat at Via della Pergola 7, were unable to recall how Guede had met them, but did recall how, after his first visit to their home, they had found him later in the bathroom, sitting asleep on the unflushed toilet, which was full of faeces.[47] Guede allegedly committed break-ins, including one of a lawyer's office through a second-story window, and another during which he burgled a flat and brandished a jackknife when confronted.[48] On 27 October, days before Kercher's murder, Guede was arrested in Milan after breaking into a nursery school; he was reportedly found by police holding an 11-inch knife.[49][50]

Guede went to a friend's house at about 11:30 pm on 1 November, the night of the murder. He later went to a nightclub where he stayed until 4:30 am. On the following night, 2 November, Guede went to the same nightclub with three American female students he had met in a bar.[51]

This nigger is a real winner, clearly not tracing a criminal ascent culminating in an exceptionally vicious rape, murder. Nah, I think it was that Knox girl. She's a pretty white girl, and you know how they blame innocent black men and get away with everything.

So basically this nigger has a rap sheet as long as his unemployment history... Does Knox have ANY history of criminal behavior?

Trial
After his fingerprints were found at the crime scene, Guede was extradited from Germany where he had fled a few days after the murder; he had said on the internet that he knew he was a suspect and wanted to clear his name.[52][53] Guede opted for a fast-track trial, held in closed session with no reporters present. He told the court that he had gone to Via della Pergola 7 on a date arranged with Kercher after meeting her the previous evening. Two neighbours of Guede, foreign female students who were with him at a nightclub on that evening, told police the only girl they saw him talking to had long blonde hair.[54][55] He said Kercher had let him in the cottage around 9 pm.[56] Sollecito's lawyers said a glass fragment from the window found beside a shoe-print of Guede's at the scene of the crime was proof that he had broken in.[57][58]

Guede said that he and Kercher had kissed and touched, but did not have sex. He then developed stomach pains and crossed to the large bathroom on the other side of the apartment. Guede said he heard Kercher scream while he was in the bathroom, on emerging, he had found a shadowy figure, holding a knife, standing over Kercher, who lay bleeding on the floor. Guede said the man fled while saying in perfect Italian, "Trovato negro, trovato colpevole; andiamo" ("Found black, found guilty; let's go").[55][56][58][59]

The court found that his version of events did not match the forensic evidence, and that he could not explain why one of his palm prints, stained with Kercher's blood, had been found on the pillow of the single bed, under the disrobed body.[58][60] Guede said he had left Kercher fully dressed.[61] He was found guilty in October 2008 of murder and sexual assault, and sentenced to 30 years' imprisonment.[62] Micheli acquitted Guede of theft, suggesting that there had been no break-in.[63]

Appeal
Guede had originally said Knox had not been at the scene of the crime, but changed his story to say she had been in the apartment at the time of the murder. He said he had heard her arguing with Kercher, then glancing out of a window had seen Knox's silhouette leave the house.[64][65][66]

Three weeks after Knox and Sollecito were convicted, Guede had his prison term cut from thirty to sixteen years. A lawyer representing the Kercher family protested at a "drastic reduction" in the sentence.[67] Guede will be eligible for release in 2014.[68][69]

Amazing...it's like the west has lost its mind, and with it its will to defend itself. Jews and christianity are the reason - they bind the west externally and internally.

[Hugh]

Looking at the balance of probabilities:

The type of lifestyle Amanda's people create

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The lifestyle Guede's people create


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[Alex Linder]

Amanda Knox
Background

Amanda Knox was raised with two younger sisters. Her mother, Edda Mellas, a teacher, and her father, Curt, divorced when Knox was a few years old. She graduated in 2005 from the Seattle Preparatory School, and began to study linguistics at the University of Washington, making the university's dean's list in early 2007.[70] Relatives later described Knox as not always able to pick up on social cues.[71] She became interested in Italian culture while at school, and went to Italy on a family holiday when she was 15 years old. She decided to study there, choosing Perugia over Rome so as to mix with Italians rather than American expatriates. Her stepfather had strong reservations about Knox's going to Italy that year as he felt she was still too naïve.[72]

In September 2007, Knox became one of Kercher's three flatmates in Perugia, where she had arrived to attend the town's University for Foreigners for a year, studying Italian, German and creative writing.


Police focus on Knox
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A still from Italian television, in which Sollecito comforts Knox outside the house. This frame, in which they kiss, became what the BBC called "one of the most incongruous images" of the case.[73]
In outlining the case for colleagues, Perugia Flying Squad Detective Superintendent Monica Napoleoni told them the murderer was definitely not a burglar.[74] She had concluded the apparent signs of a break-in were staged as a deliberate deception, partly because the smashed window did not seem to be the obvious point of entry for a burglar and was almost a dozen feet above the ground.[75][76][77] Knox was the only occupant of the house who had been near it on the night of the murder.[78] Knox was filmed soon after the body was discovered; a frame reproduced by the media showed her kissing Sollecito. Burleigh writes that Italian television played the video for months.[79][80] At her trial Knox said that she had been crying and trembling as she sat with Sollecito in a car outside the house, he then gave her his jacket and they left the car and were filmed kissing.[81]

At around 3 pm police requested the flatmates and their friends to attend the police station for further enquiries. In the car, Knox sobbed when she overheard that Kercher's throat had been cut.[82] One of the first to be questioned, she said she had spent the night of 1 November with Sollecito at his flat.[83] She burst into tears at the end of her interview.[84] English female friends of Kercher met Knox in the waiting room of the police station hours later, shortly after it had been confirmed to them that Kercher was dead. Some of Kercher's friends were to testify at the trial that Knox had shown "no emotion" and behaved in a way that they had found inappropriate.[85][86][87] In the early hours, Knox was seen pacing a corridor with her head in her hands. She remained at the police station until 6 am.[88]

On the afternoon of 3 November, Knox accompanied police back to Via della Pergola 7.[89] Edgardo Giobbi, of the Rome-based Central Operations Service, later told reporters Knox had sobbed uncontrollably outside the crime scene.[90] Knox was questioned at the police station for a second day. That evening, unable to return to the house to pick up fresh clothes, she was filmed by a store security camera buying underwear, a purchase which was portrayed as shopping for lingerie.[91][92][93][94] The following day, 4 November, the Italian flatmates and Knox were summoned for further questioning. To check whether any knives were missing, they were taken to the upper flat, where Knox broke down crying and shaking.[87][95]

Knox along with other witnesses was questioned repeatedly over the four days following the murder. She was officially being interviewed at that time only as a witness, and safeguards normal in Italy during questioning of suspects, such as the presence of a lawyer and recording of interviews, were not used.[96] The police had been listening to Knox and Sollecito's telephone conversations, and knew her mother was due to arrive from Seattle on 6 November; Burleigh writes that 5 November might have been the last night police could question Knox without a lawyer, parent, or the American Embassy being involved.[97] On the evening of 5 November, Knox went to the police station with Sollecito. She later acknowledged doing stretches including a split while in a waiting room, but directly contradicted an accusation that she had done cartwheels, as stated by officers Napoleoni told the trial.[98][94][99][100]

So you got a cunt prosecutor, most likely PC as all hell; a socially inept naive girl whose behavior might be misread by the dead woman's friends; you have an anti-american illiberal press selectively presenting Knox as an uncaring la-di-da lingerie-buying, boyfriend-smooching suspect when they know damn well it's not her... the cops BREAK THEIR OWN LAWS interrogating her over MULTIPLE DAYS, refuse to RECORD WHAT THEY'VE DONE, get her to speak her bar-boss's nigger name - which will later be used to jail her...that's all it takes. All. It's past hilarious how the same niggers who will cry their nigger tear ducts to pieces over profiling and other cop "abuse" of niggers use her tortured breaking under ILLEGAL INTERROGATION to find her guilty of blaming an innocent black "man," as if blacks can be men. It is to laugh.

Seriously - look at the nigger's history. Knox isn't in any way involved in this, it's not remotely plausible. Whereas it fits the nigger's past actions perfectly. People say I shouldn't use nigger. Well when the jewsmedia are trying to turn them into angels and the christian cult are trying to turn them into humans, don't you think we can afford one little cold buffoon in northeastern Missouri calling them WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE. Yeah, go FUCK YOURSELF. Knox's FOUR YEARS in jail is where your no-niggers policy ACTUALLY LEADS in the REAL WORLD. You tired of the kike and the pope holding your head underwater and telling you it's fresh air, white man? Or you still want to take a few more breaths to see if they're right?

[Alex Linder]

Interrogation

Knox was asked into the Flying Squad offices where, so she was told, Sollecito's interview was about to finish.[101] Napoleoni and detectives from the Central Operations Service interviewed Sollecito until 3:30 am. According to the police, at around midnight Sollecito ceased to support Knox's account of having been at his flat on the night of the murder, and an interview of Knox began at 1:45 am.[102] In a 2011 report by appeal court judges, the conduct of the interview was criticised on the grounds that, despite the seriousness of the offence for which she was in effect being treated as a suspect, no lawyer was assigned to her.[103][104] Noting that Knox "at the time neither understood nor spoke Italian well" the judges said an interpreter had "assisted police" in the interrogation rather than simply translating.[105][106][107]

Knox was told that Sollecito, in another interview room, was no longer saying Knox had been with him all night, but was now maintaining she had left him at 9 pm to go to Le Chic, and had not returned to his apartment until 1 am.[108] Giobbi, watching the interview from a control room, later said he heard Knox scream.[109] Chief Detective Inspector Rita Ficarra told the trial that Knox started to cry when asked about activity on her mobile phone before it was switched off on the night of the murder.[110]

Significance of text to Lumumba

The last activity on Knox's phone on the night of the murder was a text to Le Chic's owner, Lumumba. On the day the body was discovered, police had asked Kercher's English friend whether Kercher knew any black men.[111] According to Burleigh, the police may have seized on a connection to an African immigrant as confirmation of their line of inquiry.[112] Interrogators asked Knox why she had not been working on that night; she told them that Lumumba had sent her a text saying she was not required because business was slow. Knox explained that the reason for switching off her mobile was to prevent Lumumba from contacting her again if he changed his mind about her not working.[113] Knox had deleted Lumumba's text from the memory of the phone. She told detectives she did not remember replying to it.[102] The detectives looked through the phone's messages and found that Knox had replied. Follain renders Knox's reply to the text as "Sure. See you later. Have a good evening!".[114] Detectives interpreted the "See you later" part of the message, not as a colloquial parting phrase, but as evidence of an arrangement to meet on the night of the murder.[112] The interrogators showed Knox her reply to Lumumba on the display of her mobile.[115] Anna Donnino, an interpreter for the Perugia police, told the trial that Knox had an "emotional shock" on being shown her text to Lumumba, and said: "It's him, he did it, I can feel it."[87]

Self-incrimination

According to the detectives, Knox told them she had met Lumumba at the basketball court at 8:30 pm, before going with him to Via della Pergola 7 where Lumumba had committed the murder, thereby implicating herself as his accomplice. Knox signed a statement, written by the police in official Italian, which said: "I have a hard time remembering those moments but Patrick had sex with Meredith, with whom he was infatuated, but I cannot remember clearly whether he threatened Meredith first. I remember confusedly that he killed her."[116][117]

Knox's account of interrogation

At her trial Knox's account of what had happened during her interrogation differed from that of the police. She testified that she had spent hours maintaining her original story, that she had been with Sollecito at his flat all night and had no knowledge of the murder, but a group of police[118] would not believe her.[119][120][121] Knox said "I wasn't just stressed and pressurised; I was manipulated";

This is exactly what happened in the McMartin Preschool case...they just keep going till they get what they want. They broke her. The key to this is they DID NOT TAPE IT. Because they knew what they were going to do going in.

Sorry, Italy, but you don't produce cops who have the credibility of the average American girl of Northern European descent.

[122] she testified to being told by the interpreter, "probably I didn't remember well because I was traumatised. So I should try to remember something else."[123] Knox stated, "they said they were convinced that I was protecting someone. They were saying 'Who is it? Who is it?' They were saying: 'Here's the message on your telephone, you wanted to meet up with him, you are a stupid liar." Knox also said that a policewoman "was saying 'Come on, come on, remember' and then – slap – she hit me. Then 'come on, come on' and – slap – another one."[121] Knox said she had requested a lawyer but was told it would make things worse for her, and that she would go to jail for 30 years; she also said she was not allowed access to food, water, or the bathroom.[124][125]

And see how all these things elicited under torture and abuse are used by the very side always endlessly prating about the dangers of rational, innocent, legal, NECESSARY profiling.

Ficarra and policewoman Lorena Zugarini testified that during the interview Knox was given access to food, water, hot drinks and the lavatory. They further said Knox was asked about a lawyer but did not have one, was not hit at any time[109][126] and interviewed "firmly but politely".[127] Napoleoni testified that Knox was not beaten, threatened or insulted.[128]

Statement and arrest

Napoleoni was backed by several other detectives in arguing for the arrest of Knox, Sollecito, and Lumumba. Her immediate superior, Chief Superintendent Marco Chiacchiera, thought arrests would be premature, advocating close surveillance of the suspects as the best way to further the investigation. Knox had been interviewed as a witness and what she had said could not be used to prosecute her.[129] Mignini placed Knox officially under investigation and at 5:45 am took a statement from her. According to Follain, Mignini began by telling Knox that anything she said in the statement could be used in evidence against her and that she was entitled to a lawyer. The statement had details changed from what she had previously said; for example, she now said she had met Lumumba at 9 pm, not 8:30. She also added that she had heard Kercher scream, though later in the same statement said she could not remember whether she had heard this. The taking of the statement ended when Knox broke down in tears.[130] After being formally arrested, Knox was told to remove her clothes for a forensic check. Doctors obtained samples of her DNA, saliva, urine, hair and pubic hair.[131] According to Knox, she was also subjected to a manual gynecological examination.[112]

In a different age, this would be all the excuse needed to kick the shit out of a crappy little Mediterranean country.

As Ficarra and Napoleoni were about to take her to prison, Knox, who still had not seen a lawyer, made a four-page note. In it, she wrote: "I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion." The Italian Court of Cassation ruled the official statement could not be used in court, but the note was adjudged admissible in a defamation suit brought against Knox by Lumumba, which was heard concurrently with the murder charges against her and Sollecito and by the same jury. Lumumba's lawyer was to use vituperative language about Knox in court.[132][133][134][135][136]

Hearing, Guede substituted for Lumumba

On 8 November Knox appeared along with Sollecito and Lumumba before judge Claudia Matteini, and during an hour-long adjournment Knox met her lawyers for the first time. Matteini ordered Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba to be detained for a year. On 16 November the Rome forensic police matched fingerprints found in Kercher's bedroom to Rudy Guede. On 19 December Mignini wrote a warrant for Lumumba's release in which he suggested that Knox may have named Lumumba to protect Guede.[134][137] The prosecution charged Guede for the murder, but retained the allegations against Knox and Sollecito that originally related to acting in concert with Lumumba.[138]

Pre-trial publicity

Knox became the subject of intense media attention.[139] Shortly before her trial she began legal action against Fiorenza Sarzanini, the author of a best-selling book about her which had been published in Italy. The book included accounts of events as imagined or invented by Sarzanini, witness transcripts not in the public domain and selected excerpts from Knox's private journals which Sarzanini had somehow obtained. Lawyers for Knox said that the book had "reported in a prurient manner, aimed solely at arousing the morbid imagination of readers."[140][141][142]

According to US legal commentator Kendal Coffrey, "In this country we would say, with this kind of media exposure, you could not get a fair trial".[143] In the US there was a pre-trial publicity campaign supporting Knox and attacking Italian investigators, but her lawyer thought it counter-productive.[13][144][145]

Trial
Knox said she barely knew Guede; she pleaded not guilty to all charges, and remained in prison throughout the legal process. Knox and Sollecito's trial began on 16 January 2009 before Judge Giancarlo Massei, Deputy Judge Beatrice Cristiani, and six lay judges at the Corte d'Assise of Perugia.[146] Knox and Sollecito were accused of having gone to the house on the night of 1 November with Guede, and of having murdered Kercher in her bedroom. According to the prosecution's reconstruction, Knox had attacked Kercher, repeatedly banged her head against a wall, forcefully held her face, tried to remove her clothes, cut her with a knife, inflicted the fatal stab wound, and then took her two mobile phones and faked a burglary.[147] Guede's shoe prints, fingerprints, and DNA were found in the bedroom, his DNA was found on Kercher and her clothing, and his skin cells were inside her body. Guede's DNA mixed with Kercher's was in bloodstains on the inside of her shoulder bag.[148] No shoe prints, clothing fibers, hairs, fingerprints, skin cells or DNA of Knox were found on Kercher or in the room.[149][150] The prosecution alleged that all forensic traces in the bedroom which incriminated Knox had been wiped away by her and Sollecito.[151][152]

The prosecution's case centred on Kercher's interactions with Knox, and Knox's demeanor and movements on the day the body was discovered.[153][154] According to Follain, an investigator thought the judge's questions were "relentless". Massei had pointedly questioned Knox on numerous details, such as whether she had touched a particular light switch or the timing of mobile phone calls; she repeatedly answered "I don't remember".[155]

The prosecution alleged a knife found in Sollecito's kitchen had Kercher's DNA on the blade.[156] Expert witnesses called by the defence said the DNA on the knife consisted of an insubstantial trace which could not be considered evidence, and pointed to contamination by other samples as a possible explanation; they also noted that the dates when different samples were tested, which could indicate whether they had been tested on the same day with a resulting risk of cross-contamination, had not been supplied by the forensic police.[157][158][159][160] Both sets of defence lawyers requested the judges to order independent reviews of evidence including DNA and the compatibility of the wounds with the alleged murder weapon; the request was denied.[161]

In final pleas to the court, Sollecito's lawyer described Knox as "a weak and fragile girl" who had been "duped by the police." Knox's lawyer, Luciano Ghirga, told the court there had been DNA contamination in the police forensic laboratory, and pointed to text messages between Knox and Kercher as showing that they had been friends.[162] On 5 December 2009 Knox, by then 22, was convicted on charges of faking a break-in, slander, sexual violence and murder, and sentenced to 26 years imprisonment.[163][164][165]

Reactions to the conviction
Although acknowledging that Knox might have been a person of interest for American police in similar circumstances, Journalist Nina Burleigh said that the conviction had not been based on solid proof, and there had been resentment at the Knox family which amounted to "anti-Americanism".[166] Another journalist who attended the trial said that she saw no evidence of anti-Americanism in the proceedings.[167] An Italian jurist said: "This is the simplest and fairest criminal trial one could possibly think of in terms of evidence."[167]

Appeal and release
Under Italian law, two appeals are permitted to defendants, during which there is a presumption of innocence until a final verdict is entered.[168] Their first appeal began in November 2010 and was presided over by Judges Claudio Pratillo Hellmann and Massimo Zanetti. The court ordered a review of the contested DNA evidence by independent forensic DNA experts Stefano Conti and Carla Vecchiotti from Rome's Sapienza University. They submitted a 145-page report that noted numerous basic errors in the gathering and analysis of the evidence, further asserting that a police forensic scientist had given testimony in court that was not supported by her laboratory work.[169] In testimony to the appeal, Professor Conti said that a police video showed that when a vital piece of evidence was gathered, it was handled with a glove that was visibly dirty.[170][171] During cross-examination, Vecchiotti was asked by prosecutor Comodi whether a gap of several days between analysing samples was enough to remove the possibility of cross-contamination in the laboratory. "They're sufficient if that's the way things went," replied Vecchiotti.[172]

On 3 October 2011, the court overturned Knox's and Sollecito's convictions on charges of staging a break in, sexual assault and murder. The conviction of Knox on a charge of slander was upheld and the original one-year sentence was increased to three years and eleven days imprisonment.[173][174][175]

In their official report on the court's decision to overturn the convictions, the appeal judges wrote that the verdict of guilty at the original trial "was not corroborated by any objective element of evidence." Describing the police interviews of Knox as of "obsessive duration", the judges said that the statements she made incriminating herself during interrogation were evidence of her confusion while under "great psychological pressure".[176]

How would you hold up being grilled four days by guidos speaking a strange language and slapping you if you said the wrong things, denying you food and water and a lawyer?

Prosecution appeal
In March 2013, the Court of Cassation, Italy's supreme court, granted a prosecution appeal, and set aside the judgement of the appellate trial that had acquitted Knox and Sollecito, ordering Knox and Sollecito to be retried. According to Hellmann, the Court of Cassation had not confined itself to technical matters of law, but interpreted evidence. Hellmann said the "ruling has explained to the judges in the new trial how they should convict the two accused".[177][178][179] On 30 January 2014, after 12 hours of deliberation, the judges in Florence reinstated the guilty verdicts against Knox and Sollecito for the murder of Kercher in 2007. They further ordered that damages should now be paid by the pair to the family of Kercher. Kercher's brother Lyle and sister Stephanie were present when the verdict was read out. Extradition proceedings against Knox, who refused to return to Italy for the case, will probably occur if her next appeal at Italy's supreme court fails, which could happen by 2015.[180][181][182]

Raffaele Sollecito
Background
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Knox and Sollecito were held in Capanne prison, Perugia.[183]
Raffaele Sollecito[184] (born 26 March 1984, Giovinazzo, Bari), the son of a doctor, was 23 years old at the time of his arrest, and nearing the completion of a degree in computer engineering at the University of Perugia. Sollecito had met Knox at a classical music concert, seven days before Kercher was murdered.[185]

And these two types are conspiring with a nigger to murder some English student? Come on.

Interrogation and detention
Sollecito was interviewed without audio or videotaping, on 5 November 2007 from around 10 pm, while Knox waited in a side room. He later said detectives had told him he was lying about Knox's having spent the evening and night of the murder in his apartment, and treated him "with violence and coercion".[186][187][187] At some point, he signed a statement saying that he and Knox had been out on the evening of the murder and had parted company at 9 pm, and that she had not shown up at his apartment until 1 am.[187] Sollecito was arrested with Knox, despite objections by several detectives that evidence against him was too weak.[188] At a hearing on 8 December, Sollecito said his statement made to Napoleoni was untrue.[189] According to Sollicito, he was pressurised by authorities and his family to support the police against Knox in return for being released, and although he refused, he was 'terrified' she would succumb to similar pressures.[190]

So basically these dirty filthy greaseball wopcops turned off their cameras and browbeat these two until they signed false confessions. That's what's went on here.

Notice that out of all the parties involved only two have a history of criminal behavior: nigger Guede and the Italian prosecutor's office. Knox and bf are clean. The conclusion is obvious about who's lying and who's telling the truth.

Trial
Sollecito, who said he had never met Guede, was held in custody without bail. The defence called Professor Francesco Introna, who challenged the prosecution's reconstruction of the murder in almost every detail. Introna said the crime scene and injuries to Kercher indicated she had been overpowered by a single attacker who clamped his hand over her mouth, forced her to her hands and knees and used his legs to immobilise her; inflicting the fatal wound from behind with a knife much smaller than the one the prosecution said was the murder weapon.[191] The prosecutors advanced a single piece of forensic evidence linking Sollecito to Kercher's bedroom, a DNA fragment (Sollecito's Y chromosome) detected during analysis of Kercher's bra clasp, which had been cut from the strap.[192] The clasp was visible in crime-scene video taken on 2 November when it had been found by Perugia's forensics squad who placed a marking card beside it for Stefanoni's team from Rome. Stefanoni's team only realised it had been missed 46 days later, by which time they had inadvertently moved it four feet across the room, where it was found under a rug in a pile of other items.[193][194] Giulia Bongiorno, leading the defence, questioned how Sollecito's DNA could have got on the metal clasp of the bra, but not on the fabric of the bra strap from which it was torn. "How can you touch the hook without touching the cloth?" Bongiorno asked.[195] The back strap of the bra had multiple traces of DNA belonging to Guede.[196] During a cross-examination Bongiorno screened film of the belated recovery of the bra clasp that appeared to show Stefanoni touching the hooks of the clasp with her glove; Stefanoni admitted that, contrary to what she had said at pre-trial hearings, she may have touched the hooks.[197] DNA evidence remained the central plank of the prosecution case against Sollecito. Convicted in December 2009 on charges of staging a break-in, murder and sexual assault, he was sentenced to 25 years.[185]

Now that is fucking astonishing. Even for Italians, that is beyond belief.

Appeal and release
Independent forensic experts appointed by the court for Sollecito's appeal (secondo grado) were unable to re-test the bra clasp because it had become rusted due to incorrect storage

Notice the wopcops can't do ANYTHING not ONE SINGLE THING correctly. Bunch of fucking criminal clowns.

I've always had a good feeling about Italy, partly from having traveled there, but this is really ridiculous stuff. It is genuinely third-world-level clownage. Instead of calling Northern Europeans barbarians, perhaps these Italians ought to focus a little more on BASIC HONESTY and PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE.

by the Scientific Police, but noted that video of the clasp's recovery showed it had been handled using a glove that was "dirty".[198] The experts said the DNA evidence was faulty, possibly because of contamination, and that the "international procedures for inspection, protocol and collection of evidence were not followed" by the police or forensic team.[199] The conviction was overturned on appeal on 3 October 2011.[185] A ruling that there was insufficient proof, similar to the verdict of not proven was available to the court, but they acquitted Knox and Sollecito completely.[200] In an explanation of their decision, the appeal judges noted that there was no evidence of phone calls or texts between Knox or Sollecito and Guede, that a tramp who testified to seeing Sollecito and Knox in the Piazza Grimana on the night of the murder was a heroin addict, and that Massei, the judge at the 2009 trial, used the word "probably" 39 times in his report.[94][201]

It's just a bunch of made-up horseshit, anyone can see that. The wopcops had a preset conclusion and beat the suspects and evidence into line with it.

Aftermath and new guilty verdicts

Meredith Kercher scholarship fund
Five years after the murder, the city of Perugia and its University for Foreigners in co-operation with the Italian embassy in London instituted a scholarship fund to honour the memory of Meredith Kercher.[202][203] John Kercher stated in an interview that all profits from his book Meredith would be going to a charitable foundation in Meredith Kercher's name.[204]

Prosecution appeal successful
In March 2013, the Court of Cassation, Italy's supreme court, granted a prosecution appeal, and set aside the judgement of the appellate trial that had acquitted Knox and Sollecito. Ordering Knox and Sollecito to be retried, the Court of Cassation instructed the judges at a new trial to give weight to the official explanation of the verdict at Rudy Guede's trial, which asserted that he did not act alone, as well as Knox's accusation of Lumumba. According to Hellmann, the Court of Cassation had not confined itself to technical matters of law. Hellmann said the "ruling has explained to the judges in the new trial how they should convict the two accused".[205][178][179][206]

New trial
The rehearing of Knox and Sollecito's second level trial was in Florence, northern Tuscany. Judges ordered analysis of previously unexamined DNA found on a kitchen knife of Sollecito's, which the prosecution alleged was the murder weapon.[207] [208] The forensic police had asserted that Kercher's DNA was present on the knife; a court-appointed review of DNA evidence at the first appeal trial concluded that no evidential trace of Kercher's DNA had been found on the knife.[209] When the unexamined sample was tested by court-appointed experts for the new appeal trial, no DNA belonging to Kercher was found.[210][211][212]

Guilty verdicts
On 30 January 2014, after 12 hours of deliberation, the judges in Florence returned guilty verdicts against Knox and Sollecito on charges of murdering Kercher in 2007. They further ordered that damages should now be paid by the pair to the Kercher family. Lawyers for both the defendants said they planned to appeal.[213][214][215][216] Following the verdict, Italian police caught Raffaele Sollecito between Udine and Tarvisio which is close to Italy's border with Austria.[217]

Prospect of extradition
Commentator Alan Dershowitz said that there was no legal basis to refuse to extradite, and that hundreds of people, many from minorities, were in US prisons on less evidence than there was against Knox without any public outcry. Citing the prosecution claim that Kercher's injuries indicated several attackers, Dershowitz expressed the view that the American supporters of Knox were one-sided and poorly informed about the evidence against her. According to Dershowitz, in view of the US government's need for international cooperation in its own extradition requests, Knox would be extradited to Italy regardless of American public opinion.[21

You'll notice Dershowitz doesn't actually cite any evidence, he just runs the garbage grinder under his jewy nose.

[Hugh]

I feel bad for him and them. More important, I fear they still have not drawn the right lesson from their experience.

Aye, to this day, you will see the farmers living on their farms, one or two white families, in the bush, with a sea of black labourers, often hundreds of them, in little villages all around the farmhouse.

The love of cheap black labour is a primary cause of the farm killings.

[SaraT]

"Commentator Alan Dershowitz said that there was no legal basis to refuse to extradite...."

Unfortunately for Amanda Knox, Dershowitz is correct on this point. The review of an extradition request only involves whether the request is a legal one or not. The fact that the investigation and trial were so botched is not a part of the process.

If the Knox's had been smart, they would have had Amanda out of the US and hiding out "off the radar" well ahead of this verdict.

[The Bobster]

Burleigh writes that Guede was given his own flat in a gated villa.....

This is why gated communities don't work. Libtards allow niggers inside them.

[ELF]

All in all there is doubt in anyone's mind that the nigger raped and murdered the paki chick and that the reduction of his sentace is a slap in the face of Real Justice.

As for Knox's part in all this it is possable that she was in on the deal because women/girls can be just as evil as men and boys for whatever reasons.

However if Amanda is innocent then she should have the respect of of her fellow whites male and female.

However if she is guilty then she should do the hard time for her part in the murder.

All in all this whole case has been nothing but one big media circus and smoke and mirrors to the point that I feel no one will ever really know the truth of this case.

[Alex Linder]

[this nails it, altho of course you don't get the racial why]

Why Knox verdict baffles us
By Nina Burleigh

Fri January 31, 2014

Editor's note: Nina Burleigh is an investigative journalist and author. Her last book is "The Fatal Gift of Beauty: The Italian Trials of Amanda Knox."

(CNN) -- When Amanda Knox was convicted again on Thursday, Americans reacted with bafflement. The appeal was the third round through Italy's grinding, multi-level legal system, with its numerous checks and balances. But the saga is also confusing because, while the crime is simple, the case built around it is a grand spectacle combining aspects of national pride, sexist archetypes and race.

Knox and her co-defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, were first convicted by a jury in 2009 for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in 2007. An appellate judge overturned the conviction in 2011 and Knox returned to the United States after four years in jail. The prosecutor then appealed the acquittal to the Italian Supreme Court, which sent the case to the new appellate panel that reinstated the conviction.

It isn't over yet. The defendants will now appeal and the case eventually could be returned to another appellate panel for yet another review.

I spent two years researching and writing a book about the Knox case, living in Perugia, attending the trial, interviewing every lawyer involved in the case, reviewing thousands of pages of police documents and court transcripts, interviewing forensic police, coroners, the principles of the case, their family members and associates.

Americans like me who believe the case against Knox and her then-boyfriend is fatally flawed have been accused of disliking Italy or disrespecting its judicial system. But what has happened in the Amanda Knox case is not an Italian problem. When prosecutors make mistakes anywhere in the world, they don't like to admit it. It takes an exceptionally brave and wise "Solomon" to reframe a case after arresting the wrong people.

The latest Italian proceeding did not involve any new evidence and, sadly, didn't shed any new light on the crime. There is still no proof that Amanda Knox was in the bedroom where someone stabbed Meredith Kercher. The DNA and fingerprint evidence is still entirely linked to a man named Rudy Guede, who is serving a 16-year jail sentence for the murder -- shortened thanks to testimony that put Amanda Knox on the crime scene.

After he arrested them, the trial prosecutor proposed that the motive was a post-Halloween ritualistic sex game. But when authorities soon realized the DNA and fingerprints in the murder room belonged to neither Knox nor Sollecito, rather than reframing their case, the small town prosecutors and police in the glare of international media dug in their heels. In the latest proceeding, a new prosecutor abandoned the sex game motive but suggested Knox murdered Kercher after an altercation over Knox's poor hygiene and sloppy housekeeping.

In other words, out with Satan and in with the dirty laundry.

With no hard evidence and no credible motive, spectators around the world are right to wonder what's going on in these Italian courtrooms.

Rudy Guede has never denied watching Meredith Kercher bleed to death, and he left a bloody handprint in the victim's blood on her wall. According to testimony from Italian forensic police, his DNA was inside the victim—although it was not clear whether there was a sexual assault. In his prison writings and in his testimony at his appeal, he talked of how difficult it was for him to get the image of the blood that flowed from Meredith out of his head.

Did this garish confession shock the Perugian authorities and courthouse press corps into trying to ascertain just who and what this young man was? On the contrary, he apparently elicited mercy, and had his sentence cut in half. He may well be walking free before the Knox case is settled.

In his first comments on the case, before he was captured, Guede was surreptitiously recorded by Perugia police in a Skype conversation with a friend, according to police wiretap transcripts in the trial record, saying that Knox had nothing to do with it. But as soon as he was connected with a defense lawyer, he started to change his story.

It's a trope of the case that Knox (and Sollecito) had a P.R. machine, vast amounts of money and great legal defense, while Guede was legally under-served. In fact, his attorney was one of the busiest criminal defense lawyers in Perugia, well-connected with the prosecution, with a career behind him handling hundreds if not thousands of local crimes, often involving drugs and violence.

Prosecutors' reluctance to deeply investigate Guede is understandable; they don't want to know. But Guede may be the most interesting character in the story. Born in Ivory Coast, brought to Italy at age 5, he is more Italian than most immigrants, but, like other immigrants, he is legally just a guest in the homogenous country, not a citizen, required to report to the authorities annually (which was why his fingerprints were on file in Perugia).

In the months before the Kercher murder, Guede was broke and showing signs of mental illness, and was involved in three and possibly more home invasions, according to police reports, trial testimony and interviews with victims.

His apparent modus operandi was to break into what he thought were empty houses and make himself at home. A few weeks before the Kercher murder, someone broke into a Perugia law office through a second floor window, according to trial testimony from the lawyer who practiced there, turned up the heat, rearranged small trinkets, drank an orange soda from the refrigerator and appeared to have slept on the couch before making off with a laptop.

At a nursery school in Milan a week later, director Maria Antonietta Salvadori Del Prato, walked in on a Saturday and found Guede sitting at her desk, she told me in an interview. She called police. They found the stolen laptop and a knife in his pack. Del Prato suspected he might have gotten a key to the nursery school from one of her employees who frequented the Milan club scene. Del Prato told me she believed he spent a night on the children's cots and cooked a pot of pasta in the kitchen, then placed it in little bowls around the room.

From that interview and many more, I pieced together a picture of a young man who seemed to be acting out some sort of fantasy of a home, a fantasy that perhaps abruptly cracked when Meredith Kercher came home unexpectedly while he was burgling her house, and unwittingly locked herself into the house with him. (Guede has maintained "whoever committed this terrible crime is still free.")

I believe one reason for the lack of interest in this young man is that a man killing a woman is mundane and boring, compared with the more titillating image of women fighting and killing each other. The other reason, sadly, is a kind of reverse racism. He's black, and innocent black men are far too often railroaded in white systems bullshit - that's the CLAIM, not the reality. all we hear about from leftists is 'privilege' this and 'entitlement' that - well where is it here? It's 100% on the side of the nigger criminal! the media are ENTIRELY against knox - they don't even discuss Guede at all when the knox stuff comes up. think about how ridiculous this is: this is an open and shut case of nigger-done-it, happens dozens of times a day. the only difference is the court tried to peddle a bunch of conccoted lies about some sex ring, when knox and sollecito barely knew or didn't know guede at all. the only reason the court can get away with such hogwish is the complicity of the media - they are the ones making it appear there is ANY debate here. there isn't. the nigger did it. that's all there is to it. the only other story is about the incredible corruption of greaseball cops, prosecutors and judges - court system., Italian and American. To suggest that this young man might have been the lone killer has a taint of political incorrectness.

Male violence against women is a major public health problem worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

In the end, in this case, it appears that the commonness of the crime is what the Italian prosecutors—and many others--refuse to accept, searching for something more interesting and unique, in an elaborate, headline-grabbing crackpot theory that, they unfortunately still cannot relinquish.

Just another nigger murder... trumped up by a third-world greaseball court and jew-owned antiwhite media into something else.

Remove the racial aspect, forget national pride and whether you "like" Amanda Knox, and we can see that this simple tragedy is all too routine.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/opinio...-knox-verdict/

[Tintin]

Amanda Knox is given a lifeline after judge who convicted her for a second time breaches legal rules with a series of revealing interviews about the verdict

Her new "partner".

[Sean Gruber]

Going overseas is usually a bad idea, particularly if your intention is "to avoid American expats" and "to mingle with the real natives."

1. As an American, you are hated. Hated. Hated. Even in a White country like Italy. Rub that into your skin and get used to it. It didn't used to be like this; it is now; deal with it.

2. Knox is pretty and White. That's enough to elicit seething irrational barbarian hatred from uglies (like greaseballs) and non-Whites anywhere, especially in their own countries. Are you White? Are you even passably attractive or physically well-disposed if someone squints at you from a murky distance? Then rethink your trip abroad.

3. In addition, Knox seems a bit Aspergery, a bit naive. She seems like a nerd girl; i.e., intelligent. Are you smarter than the average person in the countries to which you contemplate traveling? Are you more intelligent by, say, 2 standard deviations (~30 IQ points)? Then you're just asking for trouble with all the goombas, spics, darkies, soulless chinks, and other assorted trashy people out there. Dumb people can smell smart people from a mile away, and they are always prepared to give the smart person a hard time at a moment's notice. It's what some of these creeps absolutely live for.

I'm not saying these problems don't exist in America; they do. I'm saying the problems are exacerbated outside of America.

In fact, going overseas is not different from visiting an inner city. You're a fool if you go abroad without taking extreme precautions. If you do go, stay with other expats or keep to the tourist path, stay away from native areas, and leave as quickly as possible.

I find it ironic that the Knox prosecution happened not long after the ridiculous fantasy movie (and book) "Eat, Pray, Love" came out. What a contrast. Fantasy vs. truth.

[MikeTodd]

not trying to be a dick here, Sean, but do you have a lot of experience traveling abroad, particularly in Europe? the reason I ask is that I often read accounts written by tourist and expats of their experiences in European countries and never got the impression that rank and file Americans are hated solely for being Americans provided they know how to behave themselves properly.
Also does this hold true in the UK?

[Jan Kruss]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

Going overseas is usually a bad idea, particularly if your intention is "to avoid American expats" and "to mingle with the real natives."

.......

In fact, going overseas is not different from visiting an inner city. You're a fool if you go abroad without taking extreme precautions. If you do go, stay with other expats or keep to the tourist path, stay away from native areas, and leave as quickly as possible.

What do you say on, say, white-only towns of Brasil? Prudentópolis is racially whole an enclave of Ukrainian flourishment.

For the Germans, we have Pomerode:

Vem Para Pomerode - Turismo - YouTube

Vem Para Pomerode - Turismo - YouTube

2. Knox is pretty and White. That's enough to elicit seething irrational barbarian hatred from uglies (like greaseballs) and non-Whites anywhere, especially in their own countries. Are you White? Are you even passably attractive or physically well-disposed if someone squints at you from a murky distance? Then rethink your trip abroad.

Numerous VNNers have commented on their own Euro trips and they say the quality of European women is miles better.

3. In addition, Knox seems a bit Aspergery, a bit naive. She seems like a nerd girl; i.e., intelligent. Are you smarter than the average person in the countries to which you contemplate traveling? Are you more intelligent by, say, 2 standard deviations (~30 IQ points)? Then you're just asking for trouble with all the goombas, spics, darkies, soulless chinks, and other assorted trashy people out there. Dumb people can smell smart people from a mile away, and they are always prepared to give the smart person a hard time at a moment's notice. It's what some of these creeps absolutely live for.

Not if you limit your travel options as what is suggested wisely above.

[The Bobster]

Brazilians actually like Americans, at least the ones in the White South do.

[313Chris]

I agree with Sean -- Europeans, for the most part, absolutely despise Americans. And it's driven by petty jealousy.

[Cora McGuire]

So , if anyone has the time or interest, I'd like to hear what you think of this , the "multiple attackers" theory:

Multiple Attackers

Contents

1 Synopsis of the Injuries
2 Evidence of Being Restrained by Rudy Guede while Attacked by Others
3 Expert Testimony on Multiple Attackers
4 Nara Capezzali's Testimony
5 Notes
Synopsis of the Injuries

Meredith had at least 47 cuts and bruises. Meredith was attacked both from the right and from the left. She had bruising on her elbows, as you'd expect from someone who had her arms restrained from behind.[1] Her hyoid bone was broken, possibly from an attempt to strangle her. The first major wound was a 1.57 inch/4 cm cut from the right that stopped when the knife hit her jawbone.[2] There was also a 3.15 inch/8 cm stab from the left. Clean, superficial markings from the point of the knife show that she was held still while the knife was held against her neck in a threatening way before being plunged in.[3] Below the big cut across her neck several light slices were inflicted [4]
With respect to defensive wounds the only three wounds that might be considered defensive wounds were a 0.24 inch/0.6 cm wound on the palm of her right hand, a 0.12 inch/0.3 cm cut on the tip of her first finger of the left hand, and a 0.24 inch/0.6 cm wound on the second finger of her left hand.[5] This is highly abnormal and strongly indicates that Meredith was restrained during the attack.

Evidence of Being Restrained by Rudy Guede while Attacked by Others

Judge Massei described Meredith's defensive wounds as "almost non-existent," referring to three small nicks to her palm and finger, and noted this was a "serious and inexplicable disproportion" compared against the "impressive number, distribution, and diversity of the injuries to the face and neck of Meredith."[6] The lack of defensive wounds strongly indicates that Meredith was restrained throughout the attack until she was unable to respond. The attack was drawn out and in scenarios like this the victim always has multiple major wounds to their hands from attempting to block the weapon; it is an instinct she was unable to express even while multiple, careful cuts were being made to her neck, which she couldn't flinch from (supported by the bruises to her face and head). Combining the restraint bruises to her arms and elbows, and a cutting pattern indicating a gradual escalation of violence with two knife profiles, the evidence is very strong if not conclusive that the attack was the work of two or more people.

No one would remain still and allow themselves to be repeatedly cut. Since we know that the attack happened with Meredith upright the only way to explain these light cuts is if Meredith was restrained from behind while someone else attacked her from the front. This was probably Rudy since his DNA was found on her jacket arm and on the backside of her bra strap. The bruising on Meredith's arms is from Rudy holding her from behind while either Amanda or Raffaele Sollecito|Raffaele]], or both attacked Meredith from the front.

Judge Massei reasoned that each defense expert was correct that one person could stab another person, or restrain another person, unclothe another person, or digitally violate another person. A lone attacker was refused because one person cannot do all these things at once to a conscious victim, noting that these activities would occupy both of the attacker's hands and thus free Meredith to attempt to break away or somehow react to her assailant:

This disproportion is all the more serious and inexplicable if one considers Meredith's physical and personality characteristics recalled above. It seems inevitable that it must be considered that the criminal action was carried out by several people acting together against Meredith, who, strongly limited in her movements, could not defend herself in any way nor shield herself with her hands in order to avoid a vital part of her body (the neck) being repeatedly struck.

Furthermore, it is impossible to imagine in what way a single person could have removed the clothes that Meredith was wearing (shoes, pants and underwear), and using the violence revealed by the vaginal swab, could have caused the resulting bruises and wounds recalled above, as well as removing her sweatshirt, pulling up her shirt, forcing the bra hooks before tearing and cutting the bra.[7]
...
The diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one. Many injuries appear to have been caused by an activity of restraining; others were inflicted by a pointed and cutting weapon, and are greatly diverse in dimension and harmfulness; furthermore, even when directed at the same part of the body they sometimes attained the victim from the right and sometimes from the left.

In fact, in order to maintain the hypothesis of a single attacker it would be necessary to hypothesize that the same person continually modified his own harmful conduct, first exercising a strong manual pressure on the victim, producing bruises, then deciding to seize the knife, thus changing the very nature of the attack (now armed rather than with the hands) and then striking first on the right (4 cm wound) and then on the left (8 cm deep wound). In the first case, a single blow was apparently halted by the jawbone (4 cm deep wound), and instead in the second case, the knife was held inside the victim's neck, after the same knife having been used to run over the surface of the same part of the neck, just a few centimeters below the zone on which the more serious and deeper wound was inflicted. Furthermore, in spite of all these changes in the action of the attacker, Meredith would have remained in the same position, continuing to offer the same part of her body (the neck) to the attacker who would in the meantime have picked up a knife.

Yet after the first wound, the normal and instantaneous reaction would have been to protect the wounded part (the neck, precisely, which would have moved away from the possibility of another blow) even running the risk of receiving the blow on another part of the body. Conversely, considering the neck wounds sustained, it must be believed that Meredith remained in the same position, in a standing position, while continuously exposing her neck to the action of the person striking her now on the right and now on the left.

Such a situation seems inexplicable if one does not accept the presence of more than one attacker who, holding the girl, strongly restrained her movements and struck her on the right and on the left because of the position of each of the attackers with respect to her, by which it was easier to strike her from that side. One of these attackers was Rudy and the others were those who allowed Rudy to enter the house and who were with him in the house and who, in order to lead the investigations astray, then organized the staging of the broken window and the mess in Romanelli's room: Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, according to all that has already been shown.[8]

Expert Testimony on Multiple Attackers

Dr Lalli and Dr Liviero testified that "the nature of the bruises and multiple wounds caused by several different methods -- suffocation, strangulation and stabbing -- led them to deduce Kercher was attacked by more than one person.[9] Dr Liviero stated "There were more hands involved"[10] which is basically what it comes down to. Rudy as a single attacker does not have sufficient hands to do all the required tasks. A single attacker needs one hand to wield the knife, which just leaves a single hand to restrain Meredith, and there is no way to restrain someone who is upright with just one hand. The cuts from both sides are also very difficult to explain with a single attacker.

Two defense experts testified that they saw no evidence that more than one attacker was involved although both these experts declined to examine the victim's body.[11] Declining to examine the body and instead working from pictures is a strategy that defense experts use to give them more room to interpret evidence in a favorable light to the defense without actually lying.[12] There is no other reason to work from pictures rather than from examining the body. The defense experts also disagreed on how the murder happened. Dr. Introna testified that the murder could only have happened from behind. Dr. Torre testified that the attack could only have happened from the front.[13] Dr. Torre was questioned about the lack of defensive wounds and while he agreed that normally for an attack like this you'd expect considerably greater defensive wounds, but the lack of defensive wounds was not something he felt needed addressing.[14]

Nara Capezzali's Testimony

Nara Capezzali's testimony also adds credence to the claim that there were multiple attackers. According to Capezzali she heard a scream coming from the cottage at a time that corresponds with the estimated time of death. Capezzali lives roughly 44 yards/forty meters from the cottage. After the scream Capezzali heard at least two people running. One went toward Via del Bulagaio, which is the long but more secluded way to both Rudy and Raffaele's house, and the other footsteps were on the metal stairway that leads to Via Pinturicchio. Antonio Curatolo would testify that after 11 pm he saw Knox and Sollecito returning to Piazza Grimana from Via Pinturicchio.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...iple_Attackers

[The Bobster]

This site is no more credible than the ones that defended OJ.

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[Cora McGuire]

I agree, they are obviously shilling for the Prosecution.
However, they've linked to actual court documents and admitted evidence.

I spent some time reading on it, and as much as it pains me to say this, I am starting to doubt her innocence. There is a lot more evidence implicating her than I initially thought, all of it buoyed by links to the actual Italian sources.

[jaekel]

Originally Posted by Jan Kruss

What do you say on, say, white-only towns of Brasil? Prudentópolis is racially whole an enclave of Ukrainian flourishment.

For the Germans, we have Pomerode:

Vem Para Pomerode - Turismo - YouTube

Numerous VNNers have commented on their own Euro trips and they say the quality of European women is miles better.



Not if you limit your travel options as what is suggested wisely above.

White towns in a favorable climate. What's not to like?

[The Bobster]

The fact that you're surrounded by mongrels?