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Neanderthals
One of science's most puzzling mysteries - the disappearance of the Neanderthals - may have been solved. Modern humans ate them, says a leading fossil expert.
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How the hell do they know that the unfortunate Neanderthal's own people didn't make a post-mortem or sacrificial jowl sammich?
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I'm always amused when scientists find one extreme example of something then present it as the norm.
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There is a new theory on why the Neanderthals died out. Infectious diseases which seem a lot more plausible to me than cannibalism, changing climate, competition from modern humans or absorption.
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neanderthal and man
There's so many theories of why Neanderthal suddenly vanished from the fossil record about 24,000 years ago, that they couldn't adapt, disease, extermination by cro-magnon, etc.
But there is another intriguing possibility, neanderthal still lives ...in us whites. I've always been fascinated by prehistoric cave paintings, especially those found in Europe (painted by our ancestors), they are far more sophisticated and numerous than similar works found anywhere else in the world ...almost like comparing a Michelangelo with a child's crayon drawing. And they are also older, again by far. Here's a few samples of cave art from Chauvet Cave, Vallon Pont-d'Arc France discovered in 1994. You are looking at art that is 30,000-32,000 years old according to radiocarbon dating, the oldest artwork produced by man found to date anywhere in the world. These ancient European artists used methods not seen anywhere else, like scraping the walls flat and clean of detritus before working on them, but the real kicker is when you view them by torchlight (the way they were meant to be viewed) ...it suddenly hits you that they used techniques in creating these works like perspective, shading etc. that supposedly weren't 'invented' until the Renaissance era. This cave was painted during a time when cro-magnon and neanderthal cohabited Europe. Europe (from Ireland to the Urals), the Middle East, North Africa and India are where most all traces of ancient Neanderthal are found, curiously our extinct human cousin's turf corresponds exactly with the traditional realm of the Caucasian race. Both human species had co-existed uneasily for two hundred thousand years, using similar tools and technologies and living somewhat similar lifestyles and then all of a sudden about 35,000 years ago there is this creative explosion in homo sapiens that noone really understands, and 10,000 years later neanderthal disappears from the planet. Might some genetic change have made possible the interbreeding of the two, and might the seemingly unlimited creative potential of this hybrid (us) have been made possible from the union of two related forms of man who up until that time the record shows had shown hardly any of the characteristic works of modern humans? Quote:
Updated Neanderthal physical reconstructions: Another article on the possibility of Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal interbreeding: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33721697/ Evidence of inter-species violence? http://www.livescience.com/history/0...al-murder.html Just a theory, but it seems more plausible than 'space aliens' altering the human genome to create an intelligent being from a semi-animal. The author of the article I quoted Stan Gooch is an odd individual, he's also reviled by leftists for assigning 'inferior' (Neanderthal) qualities to them and curiously, jews. One more thing to ponder. Last edited by T.Garrett; January 26th, 2010 at 08:12 AM. Reason: ooops, was half asleep when I posted this |
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Since Neanderthals lived in what is now Germany I am surprised they have not yet been blamed for the rise of Hitler.
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I wached some new evidence about mysterious disappearance of the Neanderthals ...
Humans are geneticly compatibile with Neandrethals (they can produce offsprings), it is like two kinds of dogs: bernandine and pitbull. That new theory say: Humans killed all Neandrethals. It is realy simple, and from my point of view, it can be right theory, Neandrethals was living in small families (50 people), and Humans live in big tribes (1 000 people)..war between those two races ended with Humans victory and full extermination of Neandrethals. Logical, bigger group is victoruios and also brutal exterminators. BTW. Neandrethal was stronger and agile than Human, and also better use of tools. Proff of this theory was founded in Neandrethals caves, last cave was on Giblatar (last standing colony). Mother Venus signs founded across Europe, what can suggested that Humans was have same religion and some kind of tribal alliance (first nation) in that time. No mixing between those two races say that Neandrethals was demons to Humans, not only enemy, but religious, evel demons, "things" which must be exterminated. That war was lasted for thousands years. Very long war.... Neandrethals from Croatia...in Krapina:
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"Subtle' behavoral differences, eh?
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Signs of Neanderthals Mating With Humans
The Vindija cave in Croatia where three small Neanderthal bones were found. By NICHOLAS WADE Published: May 6, 2010 Neanderthals mated with some modern humans after all and left their imprint in the human genome, a team of biologists has reported in the first detailed analysis of the Neanderthal genetic sequence. The biologists, led by Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, have been slowly reconstructing the genome of Neanderthals, the stocky hunters that dominated Europe until 30,000 years ago, by extracting the fragments of DNA that still exist in their fossil bones. Just last year, when the biologists first announced that they had decoded the Neanderthal genome, they reported no significant evidence of interbreeding. Scientists say they have recovered 60 percent of the genome so far and hope to complete it. By comparing that genome with those of various present day humans, the team concluded that about 1 percent to 4 percent of the genome of non-Africans today is derived from Neanderthals. But the Neanderthal DNA does not seem to have played a great role in human evolution, they said. Experts believe that the Neanderthal genome sequence will be of extraordinary importance in understanding human evolutionary history since the two species split some 600,000 years ago. So far, the team has identified only about 100 genes — surprisingly few — that have contributed to the evolution of modern humans since the split. The nature of the genes in humans that differ from those of Neanderthals is of particular interest because they bear on what it means to be human, or at least not Neanderthal. Some of the genes seem to be involved in cognitive function and others in bone structure. “Seven years ago, I really thought that it would remain impossible in my lifetime to sequence the whole Neanderthal genome,” Dr. Paabo said at a news conference. But the Leipzig team’s second conclusion, that there was probably interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans before Europeans and Asians split, is being greeted with reserve by some archaeologists. A degree of interbreeding between modern humans and Neanderthals in Europe would not be greatly surprising given that the two species overlapped there for some 15,000 years, from 44,000 years ago when modern humans first entered Europe to 30,000 years ago when the last Neanderthals fell extinct. Archaeologists have been debating for years whether the fossil record shows evidence of individuals with mixed features. But the new analysis, which is based solely on genetics and elaborate statistical calculations, is more difficult to match with the archaeological record. The Leipzig scientists assert that the interbreeding they detect did not occur in Europe but in the Middle East and at a much earlier period, some 100,000 to 60,000 years ago, before the modern human populations of Europe and East Asia had split. There is much less archaeological evidence for an overlap between modern humans and Neanderthals at this time and place. Dr. Paabo has pioneered the extraction and analysis of ancient DNA from fossil bones, overcoming a host of daunting obstacles over the last 13 years in his sustained pursuit of the Neanderthal genome. Perhaps the most serious is that most Neanderthal bones are extensively contaminated with modern human DNA, which is highly similar to Neanderthal DNA. The DNA he has analyzed comes from three small bones from the Vindija cave in Croatia. They are fragments of long bones deliberately crushed, perhaps as part of a cannibal feast, and seem too uninteresting to have invited much handling. “This is a fabulous achievement,” said Ian Tattersall, a paleontologist at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, referring to the draft Neanderthal genome that Dr. Paabo’s team describes in Thursday’s issue of Science. But he and other archaeologists questioned some of the interpretations put forward by Dr. Paabo and his chief colleagues, Richard E. Green of the Leipzig institute, and David Reich of Harvard Medical School. Geneticists have been making increasingly valuable contributions to human prehistory, but their work depends heavily on complex mathematical statistics that make their arguments hard to follow. And the statistical insights, however informative, do not have the solidity of an archaeological fact. “This is probably not the authors’ last word, and they are obviously groping to explain what they have found,” Dr. Tattersall said. Richard Klein, a paleontologist at Stanford, said the authors’ theory of an early interbreeding episode did not seem to have taken full account of the archaeological background. “They are basically saying, ‘Here are our data, you have to accept it.’ But the little part I can judge seems to me to be problematic, so I have to worry about the rest,” he said. In an earlier report on the Neanderthal genome, the reported DNA sequences were found by other geneticists to be extensively contaminated with human DNA. Dr. Paabo’s group has taken extra precautions but it remains to be seen how successful they have been, Dr. Klein said, especially as another group at the Leipzig institute, presumably using the same methods, has obtained results that Dr. Paabo said he could not confirm. Dr. Paabo said that episode of human-Neanderthal breeding implied by Dr. Reich’s statistics most plausibly occurred “in the Middle East where the first modern humans appear before 100,000 years ago and there were Neanderthals until 60,000 years ago.” According to Dr. Klein, people in Africa expanded their range and reached just Israel during a warm period some 120,000 years ago. They retreated during a cold period some 80,000 years ago and were replaced by Neanderthals. It is not clear whether or not they overlapped with Neanderthals, Dr. Klein said. These humans, in any case, were not fully modern and they did not expand from Africa, an episode that occurred some 30,000 years later. If there was any interbreeding, the flow of genes should have been both ways, Dr. Klein said, but Dr. Paabo’s group sees evidence for gene flow only from Neanderthals to modern humans. The Leipzig group’s interbreeding theory would undercut the present belief that all human populations today draw from the same gene pool that existed a mere 50,000 years ago. “What we falsify here is the strong Out-of-Africa hypothesis that everyone comes from the same population,” Dr. Paabo said. In his and Dr. Reich’s view, Neanderthals interbred only with non-Africans, the people who left Africa, which would mean that non-Africans drew from a second gene pool not available to Africans. Dr. Reich said that the known percentage difference in DNA units between African and non-African genomes was not changed by his proposal that some of the non-African DNA is from Neanderthals. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/sc...pagewanted=all |
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Anthropologist John Hawks on the new information about Neanderthals and humans:
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DNA proves we had sex with Neanderthals
May, 06 2010 MOST of us have a Neanderthal side thanks to some wayward behaviour by our distant ancestors, it was suggested today. Experts are now convinced that early modern humans and Neanderthals interbred between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago. Inter-human relations occurred as the first pioneering bands of Homo sapiens ventured out of Africa, scientists believe. When they reached the Middle East they ran into groups of Neanderthals who preceded them. The rest, as they say, is history. As a result, between 1 per cent and 4per cent of the DNA of non-African people alive today is Neanderthal, according to the research. The discovery emerged from the first attempt to map the complete Neanderthal genetic code, or genome. It more or less settles a long-standing academic debate over interbreeding between separate branches of the human family tree. Evidence in the past has pointed both ways, for and against modern humans and Neanderthals mixing their genes. Technically the Neanderthals, Homo neanderthalensis, were a human sub-species which parted evolutionary company from our direct ancestors between 270,000 and 440,000 years ago. Around 400,000 years ago early Neanderthals stepped out of their African cradle, where Homo sapiens was still evolving, and headed for Europe and Asia. At least 300,000 years later early modern humans followed the Neanderthals out of Africa. The two populations co-existed in Europe and Asia until the Neanderthals vanished forever around 30,000 years ago - probably driven into extinction by the smarter and more competitive modern humans. Previous genetic evidence has cast doubt on the likelihood of Homo sapiens and Neanderthals interbreeding. But this was based on analysis of a limited form of DNA locked in the mitochondria, bean-shaped energy-generating bodies in cells. The new genome sequence published today in the journal Science covers around 60 per cent of the whole Neanderthal genetic code, as imprinted in the chromosomes of cell nuclei. To highlight any differences, scientists compared the Neanderthal genome to those of present-day humans from southern and west Africa, China, Papua New Guinea and France. They were surprised to find that Neanderthals were more closely related to modern humans from outside Africa than to Africans. Even more mysteriously, the relationship extended to people from eastern Asia and the western Pacific - even though no Neanderthal remains have been found outside Europe and western Asia. The most likely explanation is that Neanderthals and Homo sapiens interbred before early modern humans struck out east, taking traces of Neanderthal with them in their genes. Professor Svante Paabo, director of evolutionary genetics at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, who led the international project, said: "Since we see this pattern in all people outside Africa, not just the region where Neanderthals existed, we speculate that this happened in some population of modern humans that then became the ancestors of all present-day non-Africans. "The most plausible region is in the Middle East, where the first modern humans appeared before 100,000 years ago and where there were Neanderthals until at least 60,000 years ago. "Modern humans that came out of Africa to colonise the rest of the world had to pass through that region." He added: "Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us." The scientists calculated that Neanderthal DNA makes up between 1 per cent and 4 per cent of modern non-African genomes. Such a faint genetic signature suggests only a small amount of interbreeding. When the first modern humans left Africa they did so in groups numbering just tens to hundreds of individuals. But even a few instances of interbreeding among such a small population would have had a global impact as their numbers expanded. Co-author Dr Richard Green, from the University of California at Santa Cruz, said: "How these peoples would have interacted culturally is not something we can speculate on in any meaningful way. But knowing there was gene flow is important and it is fascinating to think about how that may have happened." The research, which took four years, involved disentangling and making sense of 1.1 billion DNA fragments taken from Neanderthal bones. Over time the DNA had degraded into small pieces and much of it was chemically modified. Most of the 400 milligrams of bone powder used came from three female bones recovered from Vindija cave in Croatia and dated to around 40,000 years old. Other samples were from Russia, Spain and Germany. New cutting-edge techniques were used to avoid confusion with DNA from contaminating microbes and human contact. The analysis highlighted certain parts of the Neanderthal genome which resembled those of chimpanzees more than modern humans. Several genes were discovered that differed between Neanderthals and Homo sapiens and may have played important roles in the evolution of modern humans. They included genes involved in mental functions, metabolism, and development of the skull, collar bone and rib cage. http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news...nderthals.html |
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You don't really believe humans were around for a 100,000 years and only started thinking criticly 6,000 years ago do you? There is no civilizational artifacts older than 55 hundred years.
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28,000 BC is a long time before 5500 BC. . __________________________________________ References [1] Kuzmin, Y. V., G. S. Burr, A. J. T. Jull and L. D. Sulerzhitsky. 2004. AMS 14C age of the Upper Palaeolithic skeletons from Sungirnext term site, Central Russian Plain. Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research Section B: Beam Interactions with Materials and Atoms 223-224:731-734. http://dx.doi.org/doi:10.1016/j.nimb.2004.04.135
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Artefacts hint at earliest Neanderthals in Britain
Archaeologists have found what they say is the earliest evidence of Neanderthals living in Britain. Two pieces of flint unearthed at motorway works in Dartford, Kent, have now been dated to 110,000 years ago. The finds push back the presence of Neanderthals in Britain by 40,000 years or more, said Dr Francis Wenban-Smith, from Southampton University. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_a...t/10206677.stm |
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Neanderthal's Cozy Bedroom Unearthed
Even though it isn't wired for broadband, this prehistoric domicile does have beds and even a fireplace. Anthropologists have unearthed the remains of an apparent Neanderthal cave sleeping chamber, complete with a hearth and nearby grass beds that might have once been covered with animal fur. http://news.discovery.com/archaeolog...oom-house.html |
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I have just now noticed something in this photo: At the top is a superb image of a bear; what makes it unusual is it's a frontal depiction - something I've never seen before in ancient cave art.
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Neanderthals 'did NOT make tools and jewellery': Study finds items at famous dig site
Neanderthals 'did NOT make tools and jewellery': Study finds items at famous dig site are actually from later period
Last updated at 2:17 PM on 20th October 2010 The theory that some Neanderthals were advanced enough to create jewellery and tools similar to those of modern humans has suffered a major setback. Scientists using radiocarbon dating found that an archaeological site that links Neanderthal remains to sophisticated tools may actually contain items from different eras mixed together. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz13IbP79Ky |
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The Neanderthals were short, hairy with huge noses and receding chins and foreheads now who does that remind people of?
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