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Old November 14th, 2006 #1
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Alex, Agis and Craig speak with Kievsky about Aryan principles of living off the land and working together to beat the jew.

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Old November 14th, 2006 #2
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Good to Hear Alex and Co. speaking the truth we can all relate to. Good Kick-ass Music too.!
 
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Great show guys!
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Excellent!
Thanks to commander on FS88 for letting us know over there too.
 
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Great show! Looking forward to hearing more from Kievsky. He's my kind of White Nationalist! :cheers:

Thanks one and all!

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Kievsky was great. Great! He should be regular guest. Very positive and informative. Jolly good show.
 
Old November 15th, 2006 #7
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Thanks guys! I hope to be on again soon.
 
Old November 17th, 2006 #8
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Geez Louise, we're gonna need a bigger paddy wagon for all the loons around here.
 
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Geez Louise, we're gonna need a bigger paddy wagon for all the loons around here.
Yeah, what a circle jerk.
 
Old November 18th, 2006 #10
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I find great humor and insight in Augustus Sutter's insults. They are like caricature drawings; exaggerated, but with a grain of truth to them.

For example, I often say that I look forward to the day when I can speak freely among people in my area. This means that I look forward to a day when I have just a little bit more of political power. Mr. Sutter took this particular remark and blew it up to a story of me going around and demanding to have sex with a new bride on her wedding night, "The Right of Prima Nocte."

It's good he brought this up. If we get more power, will we abuse it? I hope that I would never do such a thing; but one never knows what one would do with power. Human fragility, both moral and physical, is something we should all recognize with some fear and trembling.

I don't know if I would be courageous or cowardly in battle. I don't know if I would be just or tyrannical in power. Sutter made me think about this.

I also agree with Sutter that I am a dreamer. I make a lot of use of my imagination, and I don't discount my day-dreaming as childish or worthless. Why? Because many times my day-dreams have turned into useful and valuable realities. For example, as a high school kid I dreamed of learning the Russian language and disappearing into the steppes or the Ural mountains of Siberia, and also of reading Dostoevsky in the original. So I learned Russian on the basis of these silly day-dreams, and I accomplished a lot with my knowledge of a second language.

I very much liked Eastern European harmonic minor music, so I took up violin and now I can play a lot of music like that. Now and then I am able to impress people with this ability.

I got mad about agribusiness importing Mexicans, and at the same time I found I hated spending 40+ hours a week in corporate America. So I dreamed of becoming an organic farmer. I am still stuck working in corporate America (yes, I have a job, but I wish I didn't, and I do look forward to the end of "jobs" ha!). But dreaming of becoming an organic farmer led me to insisting on a multi-acre property when it was time to get a house, and that turned out to be a good decision. If there is some kind of collapse I will be slightly better prepared than my neighbors, LOL, though I won't be insisting on "prima nocte" with anyone .

My little organic farm turns out to be a good meeting place for New England White nationalists. Yes, I do occasionally slaughter and butcher a bunny for the grill when my friends come over. So what? It's kind of a survival class thing. Skinning and gutting and cooking a bunny isn't much different from a squirrel or a rat or a cat or a dog. And it's also sort of a fraternity party when I have people over. Why not? It's fun!

I don't think Augustus Sutter has fun. I think his father was very strict and harsh on him, and now he has a job where some asshole boss rides him hard, and Augustus Sutter thinks that this is his lot in life. And if it's his lot in life, then other people having fun and enjoying life and pursuing silly dreams like learning a foreign language or preparing for global apocalypse -- well, that's just sinful and silly and no one should take such a person seriously.

I understand where Mr. Sutter is coming from, and I appreciate his well thought out flames. They make me think, to be sure.

As far as his name for me, "Lord Kievsky," it has a certain ring to it. Hey, if we are going to replace the Jew elite, what are we going to replace them with? The proletariat? That didn't work so well in the old USS of R, I can tell you. Any of us so inclined should strive to be aristocratic, which means to be well read and play a musical instrument and speak some foreign languages, and to pursue eccentric activities such as organic farming and a primitivist critique of modern civilization. Who would you rather be part of the elite, Manhattan jews or people like me?

I admit that I have some sympathies to an ideology called "primitivism" see www.ranprieur.com and www.anthropik.com and read the book "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn if you are interested in primitivism.

Anyway, keep posting those flames Augustus Sutter and Steve B!
 
Old November 18th, 2006 #11
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I find great humor and insight in Augustus Sutter's insults. They are like caricature drawings; exaggerated, but with a grain of truth to them.

For example, I often say that I look forward to the day when I can speak freely among people in my area. This means that I look forward to a day when I have just a little bit more of political power. Mr. Sutter took this particular remark and blew it up to a story of me going around and demanding to have sex with a new bride on her wedding night, "The Right of Prima Nocte."

It's good he brought this up. If we get more power, will we abuse it? I hope that I would never do such a thing; but one never knows what one would do with power. Human fragility, both moral and physical, is something we should all recognize with some fear and trembling.

I don't know if I would be courageous or cowardly in battle. I don't know if I would be just or tyrannical in power. Sutter made me think about this.

I also agree with Sutter that I am a dreamer. I make a lot of use of my imagination, and I don't discount my day-dreaming as childish or worthless. Why? Because many times my day-dreams have turned into useful and valuable realities. For example, as a high school kid I dreamed of learning the Russian language and disappearing into the steppes or the Ural mountains of Siberia, and also of reading Dostoevsky in the original. So I learned Russian on the basis of these silly day-dreams, and I accomplished a lot with my knowledge of a second language.

I very much liked Eastern European harmonic minor music, so I took up violin and now I can play a lot of music like that. Now and then I am able to impress people with this ability.

I got mad about agribusiness importing Mexicans, and at the same time I found I hated spending 40+ hours a week in corporate America. So I dreamed of becoming an organic farmer. I am still stuck working in corporate America (yes, I have a job, but I wish I didn't, and I do look forward to the end of "jobs" ha!). But dreaming of becoming an organic farmer led me to insisting on a multi-acre property when it was time to get a house, and that turned out to be a good decision. If there is some kind of collapse I will be slightly better prepared than my neighbors, LOL, though I won't be insisting on "prima nocte" with anyone .

My little organic farm turns out to be a good meeting place for New England White nationalists. Yes, I do occasionally slaughter and butcher a bunny for the grill when my friends come over. So what? It's kind of a survival class thing. Skinning and gutting and cooking a bunny isn't much different from a squirrel or a rat or a cat or a dog. And it's also sort of a fraternity party when I have people over. Why not? It's fun!

I don't think Augustus Sutter has fun. I think his father was very strict and harsh on him, and now he has a job where some asshole boss rides him hard, and Augustus Sutter thinks that this is his lot in life. And if it's his lot in life, then other people having fun and enjoying life and pursuing silly dreams like learning a foreign language or preparing for global apocalypse -- well, that's just sinful and silly and no one should take such a person seriously.

I understand where Mr. Sutter is coming from, and I appreciate his well thought out flames. They make me think, to be sure.

As far as his name for me, "Lord Kievsky," it has a certain ring to it. Hey, if we are going to replace the Jew elite, what are we going to replace them with? The proletariat? That didn't work so well in the old USS of R, I can tell you. Any of us so inclined should strive to be aristocratic, which means to be well read and play a musical instrument and speak some foreign languages, and to pursue eccentric activities such as organic farming and a primitivist critique of modern civilization. Who would you rather be part of the elite, Manhattan jews or people like me?

I admit that I have some sympathies to an ideology called "primitivism" see www.ranprieur.com and www.anthropik.com and read the book "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn if you are interested in primitivism.

Anyway, keep posting those flames Augustus Sutter and Steve B!

I'm not going to bother answering everything in this long-winded, morally self-justifying post. You know you are a fraud, and quite frankly, to quote the words of the immortal Bugs Bunny "are a mental case". I won't reveal everything you whined about and all the fruity things you said on our common little forum.

As to the status of my father and my job: I don't have the luxury of living off of someone else, and I will not ever become a pussy-whipped weirdo who justifies his total abject failure in life as a result of being in the heart in the most Judaified region of the country. I grew up and lived in the most Judaified region of the country also, and I have been taking care of myself since I was 17.

Yes, my father was strict and overbearing; you could have used some of his influence. Too bad no one will pay you for your violin playing or ability to read Dostoyevsky in the original Russian. When I went to college I studied useless things like Calculus and Chemistry, better I had studied to be a useless person of "high culture” like yourself.
 
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..... I will not ever become a pussy-whipped weirdo who justifies his total abject failure in life ......
OK Sutter, I've seen just about enuf of your nonstop disparaging attacks aimed at just about everyone on this forum and even Dr. Pierce. Everyone knows by now that nobody in the WN movement meets your stringent criteria or even comes close to resembling your made-for-tv gangsta hero, Tony Soprano. However, if you insist on continuing your thrashing about here like a bull in a china shop, I will be tempted to enlighten the good folks here on just how much of a "pussy-whipped weirdo" you really are (hint: read this entire post). Hypocrite!
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OK Sutter, I've seen just about enuf of your nonstop disparaging attacks aimed at just about everyone on this forum and even Dr. Pierce. Everyone knows by now that nobody in the WN movement meets your stringent criteria or even comes close to resembling your made-for-tv gangsta hero, Tony Soprano. However, if you insist on continuing your thrashing about here like a bull in a china shop, I will be tempted to enlighten the good folks here on just how much of a "pussy-whipped weirdo" you really are (hint: read this entire post). Hypocrite!
Hey look Kurtz, I owe you an apology about this forum and you are right - it has gone loony, and I should not have gotten into an argument with you defending it. As far as me being a pussy whipped weirdo, I'm divorced. My ex lives on the other side of the country. If bringing out what you know about me personally as a result of our association is all you have that speaks volumes.

And so as you once said to me it's time to Macht nicts and stop wasting time here.
 
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I very much liked Eastern European harmonic minor music, so I took up violin and now I can play a lot of music like that. Now and then I am able to impress people with this ability.

You play a pretty mean version of "Dixie" as well.


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This is an activism thread and usually I'd clean it up but Kievsky welcomed the opportunity to tastefully and intelligently reply to the bullshit thrown at him.

It's sad though. I really enjoyed this interview. It confirmed some of the processes I'm following and enlighted me to other possibilities that I can use to reject ZOG and its trappings.

But still, there is a bunny with a pancake on its head so things aren't all bad.
 
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You guys shouldn't be offended by Sutter. This is just a message board. He is absolutely harmless. The only power Sutter has is what you give him.

I give him credit for this -- he is an effective idea-vortex for those who let themselves be drawn into this idea-vortex. But he is powerless in the face of those who don't take it personally what he says, like me.

Shame on him, too, he spilled the beans about the "secret forum." Bad bad Sutter. Loose lips sink ships. And he's pretending that I've got a dark secret about the fact that I mentioned on this "secret forum" that in the summer of 2001 I mentioned to my violin teacher that I thought there would be a huge terrorist attack on NYC, and when she asked when, I answered "within three months." I'm not ashamed of this. It happened, and it's kind of interesting. I felt something big was coming, and I vocalized it to another person.

Sutter wants attention. His daddy was mean to him (as he admitted) and he is unable to maintain a relationship with a woman (all too common). So he comes on this board and looks for any possible vulnerability, and looks to exploit that.

This is actually useful for any of us. If and when the SPLC slings mud at you, it's going to be similar to what Morris Dees or One Peoples Project says about you. Daryl Jenkins great criticism of me is that I advocate opening a business instead of wage labor, which is nothing more than what millions of Pakistanis and Chinese here are doing. I am prejudiced against being a wage slave, and in favor of being an entrepreneur. Sutter writes as though this is a terrible moral failing, "Oy vey, look at him, he's an advocate of laziness!"

It's reminiscent of the SPLC calling Prussian Blue "playing on out of tune instruments." The SPLC looks for any possible mud to sling at White nationalists who stick their neck out. Sutter does quite the same.

Not to compare Sutter with Morris Dees, of course. Dees gets paid for what he does. Sutter does it because he's extremely lonely and terribly conflicted.

At any given time in the Movement there will be a few people on your radar screen who are clearly afflicted with psychological/emotional type problems, and they will do things to get your attention such as attacking you or threatening you (Sutter never threatened me, but others did).

You just have to understand, "This person is emotionally disturbed" and not get mad at him. He's here because the White nationalist movement is unfortunately one of those places that emotionally disturbed people go looking for some human contact. Look at Patler, who killed Rockwell. It's very common.

Anyway, I hope you find some way to lessen your pain, Sutter. I hope your children grow up OK, I hope your restraining order expires, I hope you get visitation with your kids, I hope you have mutually rewarding visitation with your children, I hope you find a job where your boss doesn't torture you. I basically see you as a wanderer who stopped in here, and will eventually move on. I've been in the Movement for 6 years. I've seen a lot of guys like you come and go. I think you should get counseling and try to have rewarding face to face human relationships. I don't think you are of any value to what we are trying to accomplish here. You are here to get some emotional satisfaction, to "get off" so to speak, to verbally spooge on us.

But you know, it's a big world. I don't imagine that you are the worst person in the world. You may yet find a place in this life. But you should focus on fixing yourself. We're just fine. We don't need your tikkun olam. It's misdirected. Sutter, heal thyself.

No hard feelings. Mental illness is not something any of us should take personally. It is what it is.
 
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No one should be posting on a public forum personal info, or other info gleaned from outside sources, about any other WN, for any reason, period.
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Psychology can be looked at from a number of different angles. I surmise that you are looking from the position that psychology is a bunch of hogwash used by clever jews to twist the thinking of White people and bilk us out of money at the same time.......And you’d be right.

Another way to look at the jew’s use of psychology is as the ultimate weapon employed by the jew against us. The jew is fascinated and obsessed with psychology as many WNs are with sniper rifles, much for the same reasons. The jew has learned what makes us tick and they know how to press our buttons. And they also know how to drive the herd over the cliff willingly to their deaths. Witness much of the discussion regarding resentment for the lemmings and for ZOG’s soldiers on this board.

It is the jew who wants to keep us ignorant of the psychological processes and manipulations thereof. After all, why would they want us to know how to pull the trigger on a such an awesome stealth weapon that has no criminal penalties associated with it for using it against an enemy?

I would encourage any thinking WN to educate themselves to the weapon of psychology that is being used against us by the jew. Keeping in mind that nearly all of the study material is written by jews for jews. Nevertheless, the astute WN can read between the lines and gain empowerment that will surely enhance his ability to be more productive in this, our struggle.

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No one should be posting on a public forum personal info, or other info gleaned from outside sources, about any other WN, for any reason, period.
Yep, and Freeman calls Sutter a nut. Who writes a 12 paragraph hatchet job on a guys personal life? Fuckin pathetic.
 
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