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Old October 9th, 2021 #1
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It seems Poland may be next in line to tell the EU to do one.

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The unprecedented challenge made by Poland's prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, to one of the European Union's core legal principles has seriously escalated his government's dispute with Brussels. And it has fuelled concerns that Poland is heading towards the door, described as "Polexit".

France says such an exit is now a "de facto risk". Late on Friday the French and German foreign ministers rebuked Poland, saying EU membership relied upon "complete and unconditional adherence to common values and rules" and this was "not simply a moral commitment. It is also a legal commitment".

The European Commission has warned it will use all its powers against Poland.


On Thursday, Poland's Constitutional Tribunal ruled that key articles of one of the EU's primary treaties were incompatible with Polish law, in effect rejecting the principle that EU law has primacy over national legislation in certain judicial areas.

'Protecting Polish reform'
"In practical terms, this ruling introduces aspects of a legal Polexit because it will deepen the problem of judicial co-operation between Polish and European courts, in particular the mutual recognition of judgements," Patryk Wachowiec, research fellow at the Bingham Centre for the Rule of Law told the BBC.

"I think they are trying to protect their reform of the judiciary."

Mr Wachowiec said the prime minister had brought the challenge for protection against rulings from the EU's top court over the past six years. These rulings had condemned the governing camp's sweeping changes to the judiciary.

Mr Morawiecki was also seeking to stop Polish judges from using EU law to question the status of their colleagues appointed following those changes, he said.

RULING; Polish judgement marks major challenge to EU laws

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The European Commission says the changes have undermined judicial independence and opened up the courts to political interference.

The Constitutional Tribunal was the first target of Poland's Law and Justice (PiS) party's reform. It is now dominated by judges who are sympathetic to the party, one of whom was appointed illegally, according to the European Court of Human Rights.


Both Mr Morawiecki and Poland's most powerful politician, PiS chairman Jaroslaw Kaczynski, insist Poland wants to stay in the EU.

They accuse the country's fragmented opposition of spreading "fake news" to frighten an electorate that overwhelmingly supports membership, even if more Poles now voice concerns about losing sovereignty to the EU.

They acknowledge membership has given Poland access to billions of euros to invest in projects that have visibly transformed the country's landscape, as well as access to the single market.

Donald Tusk, the former European Council president and now head of Poland's largest opposition group Civic Coalition, has urged Poles to protest against the ruling at a Warsaw rally on Sunday.

"The operation planned by Jaroslaw Kaczynski to remove Poland from Europe has started full steam ahead. If we remain inactive, nothing will stop him," he said in a video posted on Twitter.

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So if Poland's leaders are adamant they do not want a "Polexit", why are two of Mr Kaczynski's long-term confidants, Marek Suski and Ryszard Terlecki, stoking anti-EU sentiments?

Last month Mr Suski talked about fighting the "Brussels occupier" and Mr Terlecki said the UK had shown that "the dictatorship of the Brussels bureaucracy" could be defeated by leaving.

Mr Terlecki, who is head of the ruling PiS party's parliamentary caucus, insisted Poland wanted to remain but said "drastic solutions" would have to be sought if the conflict was not resolved.

Perhaps the party is preparing the ground for an eventual exit once Poland has to pay more money into the EU budget than it takes out.

Maybe it's playing hardball to try to get the best possible compromise with Brussels.

Perhaps it's both.

The European Commission has yet to approve Poland's €57bn (£50bn; $66bn) Covid recovery plan, money the government needs to finance its flagship "Polish Deal".

Negotiations are ongoing and some suggest the government is using the ruling as leverage to get the plan agreed. The ruling does not take effect until it is published.

Although the government is legally obliged to do so, it has failed to publish rulings in the past.

'Proud, like the UK'
Jacek Karnowski, editor-in-chief of the pro-government Sieci weekly, told the BBC that Polexit was "unimaginable and unrealistic", although he said the topic was now a matter of discussion.


Poland, like the UK, was a proud independent nation, he said, but "much weaker, unhappily".

The PiS mainstream believed Poland must defend its sovereignty and not be treated as a second-class member, he said.

He sees Brussels as the aggressor, overstepping its powers and inventing new tools to constrain Poland to roll back the reforms.

"Government officials feel they are being cheated by Brussels. Thursday's ruling was decided in some sense by the EU's position," he said.

In his opinion Brussels has set Poland a trap.

"There is a possibility that Poland will be pushed out of the EU because we can already see that we are being pushed out."

He says Warsaw is being offered a choice of either being a "legal colony" of Brussels or of leaving the EU.

"If the government were to say we want to leave, there would be a change of government, so it's a trap set by Brussels."
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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has given his backing to a Polish court ruling, endorsed by the government in Warsaw, that deemed aspects of EU law incompatible with Poland’s constitution.

Poland’s Constitutional Tribunal said on Thursday that the country’s constitution takes precedence over some EU laws in a ruling the European Commission said “raised serious concerns,” especially because it was swiftly endorsed by the country’s government.

The EU executive has warned it “will not hesitate to make use of its powers under the [EU] Treaties to safeguard the uniform application and integrity of Union law” in response to the ruling.



On Saturday, Hungary backed the ruling in a display of solidarity with Poland.

“The primacy of EU law can only apply in those areas where the EU has powers, the framework for this had been set out in the EU’s treaties,” Orbán said, according to Reuters, calling on European Union institutions “to respect member states’ sovereignty.”

The ruling is the latest salvo in the EU’s battle with Poland and Hungary — which share right-wing populist governments and often support each other in stand-offs with Brussels — over rule of law issues.
htt ps://w ww.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-poland-eu-law-constitution-polexit/
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Old October 9th, 2021 #3
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Poland has over 300 years worth of coal, meanwhile Holland is being forced to shut all its green houses down for the Global Warming Plandemic.

What was that, libtard? You didn't realise that greenhouses need considerable heating in winter?

How can Poland be weaker than the stupid UK, at least it will be able to eat.
 
Old October 9th, 2021 #4
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Poland's been pretty isolated/marginalised since we left - I think partly due to its stance on Russia which our govt appeared to share - so it was only a matter of time before the idea of leaving took hold.

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"It’s hard to believe the Polish authorities and the PiS Party when they claim that they don’t want to put an end to Poland’s membership of the EU. Their actions go in the opposite direction. Enough is enough. The Polish Government has lost its credibility. This is an attack on the EU as a whole", stressed Jeroen Lenaers MEP, EPP Group Spokesman for Justice and Home Affairs.

His remarks follow today’s verdict of Poland’s illegitimate Constitutional Tribunal which questioned the primacy of EU law.

“By declaring that the EU Treaties are not compatible with Polish law, the illegitimate Constitutional Tribunal in Poland has put the country on the path to Polexit. Even more so, as it pronounced this verdict on the request of Poland’s Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. With this request, Morawiecki has not only legitimised an illegal system of the judiciary in Poland, but he has also questioned the very basis of the European Union. And he did it despite the calls of the whole democratic world not to do so”, stated Lenaers.

“EU Member States must not stand by idly when the rule of law continues to be dismantled by the Polish Government. Neither can the European Commission. Our money can’t finance the governments which mock and negate our jointly-agreed rules. The consequences must be drawn, and the European Commission should immediately use all available tools in order not to sponsor the autocrats in Warsaw”, he concluded.
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Old October 9th, 2021 #5
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Poland has over 300 years worth of coal, meanwhile Holland is being forced to shut all its green houses down for the Global Warming Plandemic.
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As early as the beginning of the seventeenth century, Ashkenazi Jews fled from Poland to the Holland. From the opening of the Limburg mines until the early 1960s, large groups of Polish miners settled in South Limburg. Brunssum became the center of the flourishing "Polish" (Jewish) colony.

In addition to 160,000 registered in January 2017, approximately 90,000 people of Polish origin are also employed in the Netherlands and are only registered as non-residents in the Personal Records Database.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polen_in_Nederland
So fuck it with those Polish hypocrites who only eat money from European funds, which Dutch taxpayers pay for.

Not to mention the jobs they take away from the Dutch labor market by working below the price, Uncle Wolf was right about these parasites.
 
Old October 9th, 2021 #6
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So fuck it with those Polish hypocrites who only eat money from European funds, which Dutch taxpayers pay for.

Not to mention the jobs they take away from the Dutch labor market by working below the price, Uncle Wolf was right about these parasites.
You are absolutely right, Johan. Take, take, take is all they have ever known
 
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You are absolutely right, Johan. Take, take, take is all they have ever known
How much does Poland pay and receive?

Total EU spending in Poland: EUR 16.350 billion.

Total contribution to the EU budget: €3.983 billion.

https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...ries/poland_en
 
Old October 9th, 2021 #8
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Half of Poland is on German sacred soil.
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It is ironic that Hungary and Poland, who are the most combative members of the union, are both the biggest beneficiaries from a purely economical standpoint:

 
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Mass protests in Poland amid EU law controversy

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Poles backing EU membership have taken part in protests across the country, amid fears it could leave the bloc.

On Thursday Poland's top court ruled that key articles of EU law were "incompatible" with the constitution.

It sparked fears that Poland could exit the union, prompting calls for major demonstrations nationwide on Sunday.

Organisers said protests took place in more than 100 towns and cities, with some 100,000 people turning out in Warsaw alone.

Donald Tusk, former President of the European Council and now leader of the opposition party Civic Platform, called on people to "defend a European Poland" at the rally in the capital.

Opposition politicians, activists and artists all took part in the demonstrations.

Reuters Wanda Traczyk-Stawska, a 94-year-old veteran of the Warsaw Uprising against the Nazi German occupation in 1944, spoke at one event.

"This is our Europe and nobody is going to take us out of it," she said.

Leaders across the EU criticised the ruling by Poland's Constitutional Tribunal on Thursday. In effect it rejected the core principle that EU law has primacy over national legislation in certain judicial areas.

This decision is the latest in an escalating row between the bloc and Poland.

Critics accuse the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party of politicising the judiciary since taking office in 2015.

Poland's Constitutional Tribunal is now dominated by judges sympathetic to the governing party. The European Court of Human rights alleges one of them was appointed illegally.

Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki however has defended the judge's controversial ruling.

"We have the same rights as other countries. We want these rights to be respected," he wrote on Facebook after the decision.

He also insisted however that "Poland's place is and will be in the European family of nations", and PiS has said it has no plans for what some are calling "Polexit".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58863680
 
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I've been writing about Poland's (half-hearted) fight against the crooked, anti-white Jewropean Jewnion for several years now in my thread about the jew-led third-world rapeugee invasion of Europe. Here's a recent post:

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...postcount=3952

If our lurkers are interested in the subject, they might want to check it out.
 
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The European Union’s executive has hit back at the Polish prime minister for his use of war rhetoric after accusing Brussels of making demands of Warsaw with a “gun to our head” in an interview with the Financial Times.

Mateusz Morawiecki also said that for the EU to withhold cash over rule of law issues would be like starting “the third world war”.

The comments follow months of conflict over changes made to the Polish courts. Brussels believes the adjustments erode democratic checks and balances, and the European Commission is holding up billions of euros to Poland earmarked in a pandemic recovery plan.

When asked if Poland could use its veto power to block legislation in retaliation, for instance on climate issues, Morawiecki said: “If they start the third world war, we are going to defend our rights with any weapons which are at our disposal.”

In response to the prime minister’s comments, commission spokesman Eric Mamer described the EU as “a project that very successfully contributed to establishing a lasting peace among its member states”.
“There is no place for rhetoric referring to war,” he added.

EU nations have warned for years over what they see as a backsliding of democratic principles in Poland when it comes to an independent judiciary and free media. They said Morawiecki’s nationalist government stacked the constitutional court with handpicked judges and then had the same court challenge the supremacy of EU law.

To counter this, Morawiecki claims the EU institutions are so power-hungry that they treat the 27 member nations as mere vassals, grabbing power without a legal base and imposing its values against the wishes of sovereign peoples.

And by threatening sanctions, he said the EU was using plain “blackmail”.

Even if many potential sanctions would be months – if not years – away, the EU is holding back €36bn in resilience funds for Poland aimed at helping the nation bounce back from the pandemic. It hasn’t released the funds because Poland needs to meet certain conditions that many leaders say necessitate legal changes Morawiecki refuses to make.

“I cannot see a situation if this is still lingering, that the commission will decide on the resilience plan for Poland,” said the Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte. “The general issues around the rule of law have to be addressed. This was very clear,” he said, adding a large majority of leaders felt that way.


Morawiecki also faces criticism from his Polish political opponents, with many deeply worried about Poland’s increasing isolation within the EU.

Donald Tusk, the head of the leading opposition party in Poland, reacted to the “war” comment by saying: “In politics, stupidity is the cause of most serious misfortunes.”

The government spokesman, Piotr Muller, told Polish media that the prime minister’s comment amounted to hyperbole and should not be taken literally.

The nationalist ruling party in Poland, Law and Justice, has been in conflict with Brussels since winning power in 2015 over a number of matters, including migration and LGBT+ rights. The longest-running dispute, however, has centred on the Polish government’s attempts to take political control of the judiciary.

The matter came to a head earlier this month when the constitutional court ruled that some key parts of EU law are not compatible with the nation’s constitution. The ruling by a court filled with Law and Jutice loyalists was made after Morawiecki asked it to rule on whether EU or national law has primacy.

Commission president Ursula von der Leyen said last week that it was the first time ever that a national court found “that the EU treaties are incompatible with the national constitution”.

“This ruling calls into question the foundations of the European Union,” von der Leyen said. “It is a direct challenge to the unity of the European legal order.”


https://w ww.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-poland-war-clash-law-b1944936.html
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Poland is stepping up its confrontation with fellow European Union member Germany by creating an institute to advance reparations claims for atrocities committed during World War II.

Since taking power in 2015, the nationalist Law & Justice party has demanded that Germany pay for the damage committed during 1939-1945 Nazi occupation of Poland, during which about 6 million Poles -- half of them Jews -- were killed.


A special parliamentary group has calculated the damages to Poland, though the assessment isn’t available to the public, according to the assembly’s website on Monday. A preliminary report published in 2019 put the bill at $850 billion, or nearly two years of Poland’s current economic output.

The head of the legislative group, Law & Justice parliamentarian Arkadiusz Mularczyk, said Poland would create a “War Losses Institute” to carry out further work on the impact of Nazi and subsequent Soviet occupation, after the war.

“This is another important step in shaping Polish historical awareness!” Mularczyk said on Twitter.


The announcement comes during a standoff between Warsaw and Brussels over Poland’s adherence to EU democratic standards that’s put 36 billion euros ($41 billion) in aid on ice.

It also coincides with a changing of the guard in Germany, where outgoing Chancellor Angela Merkel has remained an advocate of Poland, even as other EU states call for harsher punishment. Germany is Poland’s biggest trading partner and a crucial voice in EU deliberations.

Unlike western European nations that settled World War II claims in the decades following the conflict, Poland signed its postwar border treaty with Germany only in 1990, a year after the collapse of communism. Germany considers the reparations issue to be closed.
https://ww w.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-20/poland-wants-deal-on-eu-funds-before-starting-climate-talks
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Poland OUT of EU: How the last 24 hours became the moment of no return for Polexit
POLAND and the EU are in a bitter standoff and in the latest move the bloc has taken steps to "financially blackmail" Warsaw.


Poland is unlikely to u-turn over its blazing row with the EU after the Court of Justice yesterday rejected an appeal against a €1million-a-day (£845,000) fine imposed by the Commission. And the ramifications could send major ripples across Europe, with echoes of the UK's vote in leave the bloc in 2016.




German economy on brink of disaster as inflation highest in 28 years
Issuing its ruling, the court said: "The principle of the primacy of EU law establishes the pre-eminence of EU law over the law of the member states.

"That principle therefore requires all member state bodies to give full effect to the various EU provisions."

The fine is mounting daily and if Poland refuses to pay up, Brussels will be foreced withhold budget appropriations.


But this could have major repurcussions, experts have warned.

READ MORE: Poland told to ditch the EU after receiving €1million-a-day fine


Journalist Wolfgang Muncheau wrote: "If Polexit happens, then yesterday’s CJEU ruling will be regarded as the moment of no return: the moment when the diplomatic solution to this conflict died."

Political impasses between the EU and other nations are far from rare. Typically the bloc opts to use diplomacy rather than full confrontation, but with Poland, a different strategy has been undertaken.

Tensions have escalated since Poland’s constitutional court ruled parts of EU law are incompatible with its constitution.

The five-year feud delighted Polish officials including the PM but ignited fury among EU member states with some calling the move a step towards Polexit.

Many high-ranking EU officials have called on EU institutions to financially coerce Poland into kowtowing to the EU - by withholding needed Covid recovery funds.

Poland’s PM Mateusz Morawiecki warned the bloc taking such action would risk sparking “World War Three” and cautioned the EU about making demands of the country with a “gun to our head”. The nation’s leader also vowed to “defend our rights with any weapons which are at our disposal”.


The European Court of Justice (ECJ) has now taken the argument one step further and hit the country with €1m a day fines.

The EU’s top court said the move, acted against calls to ease tensions from caretaker German Chancellor Angela Merkel, was necessary to avoid “serious harm” to the bloc’s legal order.

The bloc has accused Poland of posing an existential threat to Brussels and of undermining democratic standards by attempting to usurp political control of the nation’s supreme court.

The ECJ added the move by Poland could unleash irreparable harm to the values upon which the Union was founded, particularly the rule of law.

The hefty penalty was immediately denounced as “blackmail” by Polish Government spokesman Piotr Muller.

Poland's Deputy Justice Minister Sebastian Kaleta said the ruling "completely disregards and ignores the Polish constitution and the rulings of the Polish constitutional tribunal".

Earlier this month, the Polish leader told the European Parliament this month it was "unacceptable to talk about financial penalties".

Mr Morawiecki also accused the EU of overstepping its powers.
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POLEXIT is fast becoming a real possibility according to Lena Dupont, a senior German MEP, sending shockwaves across Brussels as Ursula von der Leyen struggles to keep the bloc together.

Speaking with German publication Phoenix, the European People’s Party MEP gave a stern warning. She said: “I think the danger is real – not because someone would actually demand it, or because it would be part of the communication strategy of the Polish government… But in the end, if we are not careful, it will amount to a factual exit.”
https://ww w.express.co.uk/news/world/1514207/Polexit-EU-European-Union-Poland-Brussels-Ursula-von-der-Leyen
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Too good to be true. Poland unfortunately won’t leave as long as there are still free shekels to be had. Well, free for Poland, Western European’s work for them. Its holohoax tourism and guilt industry alone isn’t enough, and where would it send all its unemployed?
 
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