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Old February 24th, 2018 #1
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Do Elections Matter?

February 24, 2018 Hunter Wallace Alt-Right, Alternative Right, Politics 26



Weev writes at TRS Forums:



My response:

1.) First, I would say that elections matter a great deal to, say, Sheldon Adelson or the Koch Brothers because the GOP sells its policies to its donors. It is largely a contest between the billionaires who are represented by their puppets in Congress. If Hillary had won the 2016 election, it is unlikely that Jerusalem would have been recognized as the capital of Israel or the Koch Brothers would have got their big tax cut. Let’s grant that elections matter a great deal to those people.

Do elections matter to us? That’s a different story. The mainstream is an agreement between the elites of both parties to exclude us from representation. The whole point of elections is to secure representation, but it is a foregone conclusion that we are toxic and our interests won’t be represented by either side in the government. Neither side is willing to represent our community so we have no stake in elections because we lose no matter who wins.

In Europe, there are populist nationalist parties that take votes away from the mainstream parties, which is why elections matter there but not here. Elections would only matter to us in the United States if we had a similar third party to take votes away from the Republicans.

2.) Second, the Trump movement wasn’t “the greatest awakening of White consciousness within any of our lifetimes.” In fact, as soon as the election was over Donald Trump and the MAGA movement threw us under the bus because we were no longer needed to swing the election. They have been arguing against White identity ever since in order to pullback the Overton Window. Congress passed the Charlottesville resolution and it was signed by Donald Trump which condemned us exclusively for the violence in Charlottesville while exempting Antifa from blame. White Nationalists are now even more stigmatized under Donald Trump than we were under the Obama era when social media was relatively free.

3.) Third, mainstream politics will fail anyway in the 2020s due to changing racial demographics, the radicalization of the Democrats and the cucking of Republicans due to the browning of Red States. We will find ourselves back in the Reconstruction South. It will be California on a national scale. It is better to confront the reality of our situation now than to kick the can down the road with the Republicans who has Trump has shown are incapable of doing anything to reverse our decline.

4.) Fourth, we believe in balkanization. We don’t believe we are going to MAGA. We want the GOP to collapse as a national party like the Whigs in the 1850s. It will destabilize national politics and open up new possibilities that have been closed to us by the “mainstream” for decades.

5.) Fifth, the United States isn’t an ordinary Western nation, and we are not going to seize power by winning elections here. Non-Hispanic Whites are now only 61% of the American population and falling rapidly. This number also includes Jews and Arabs and other populations which aren’t White so the White majority is even slimmer than it is reported. If we counted the illegal aliens who are not included in the Census and who Donald Trump wants to give amnesty, we are already a minority.

6.) Sixth, Donald Trump was the royal flush of civic nationalism. He was the best hand that a civic nationalist could ever possibly be dealt. The Trump presidency is proof that even if civic nationalists won the presidency itself that they would succeed in changing nothing and that we would remain as marginalized as ever. Therefore, the notion that we should stop talking about Jewish power, White identity, the reality of race – in pursuit of notional victories – is absurd because because even when Republicans win elections we gain no representation because of it. Trump’s victory was purely vicarious for us. It was the equivalent of watching Alabama win the national championship.

7.) Seventh, the taboos that we want to change which keep us marginalized are a product of the Jewish power structure and media networks that we call “the mainstream.” Jewish power is the ability to set the norms that define the mainstream. The idea that our Jewish elites are ever going to accept us as mainstream is laughable. In the last year, Jews have taken over social media and have driven us from crowdfunding sites even though Donald Trump is president and Republicans control Congress. These taboos are not on the ballot and voting for Republicans isn’t going to change those taboos and bring us into the mainstream because Jewish donors finance the GOP.

8.) Eighth, taboos only fall when they are challenged in the public square by brute force and cease to be observed. Violence won’t change those taboos. Voting certainly won’t change those taboos. Activism on a large enough scale could in theory disrupt those taboos. The taboos we live under will only crumble when Whites cease to observe them and defy them en masse in public. Period. I’m sorry but there is no easy or cowardly way to change our circumstances. Besides, mainstream politics is going to fail anyway, and within a decade all we are going to have to express ourselves is the streets.

9.) Ninth, Steve Bannon is proof that sneaking up on the Jews and trying to be “politically viable” will never work. Bannon’s career was destroyed in the span of a week. Countless mainstream conservatives including Sam Francis who showed the slightest hint of racial consciousness were purged. Also, it is important to keep in mind that no one will be politically viable or have a career or a future (even now your career can be destroyed in an instant by a microaggression or a #MeToo accusation) once Whites descend into minority status. There isn’t going to be a future for our people unless we summon the courage to create one.

10.) Finally, Weev has led us down a dead end road into mainstream conservatism which becomes increasingly evident by the day. Under the Trump presidency, Republicans have reverted to their familiar conservative program of neoliberal tax cuts, deregulation, amnesties and neocon foreign policy. Nothing changed on the policy front. Nothing changed on the cultural front either except for the fact that under Trump more Confederate monuments have been torn down, homosexuals are less stigmatized, the Alt-Right is more stigmatized than ever before and there is less free speech than under Obama. Also, Trump is the most Zionist president who has ever sat in the White House and Jews are the big winners of his presidency, so much so that he is even featured on the half-shekel in Israel.

The fact is, we have tried Weev’s strategy. We have tried the Ricky Vaughn strategy. Both of them got what they wanted when Donald Trump won the presidency. Matt Heimbach supported Donald Trump and was willing to give him a chance. I supported Donald Trump and was willing to give him a chance. Neither of us stood in the way of the ZOG Emperor. In fact, I even personally went to Washington, DC to attend his inauguration, and many others who supported Trump devoted far more of their time, energy and money into electing him president. The return on our investment is in now.

After the trial of a year and two months, where does our community stand under the Trump presidency? The truth is that our lives have become more difficult and it is harder to get our message out under Trump than it was under Obama. The truth is that electing Mark Burns and Mitt Romney to House and Senate isn’t going to change a fucking thing for White people. The truth is that Donald Trump is a con artist who lied to get elected and who abandoned his populist and nationalist program and reverted to mainstream conservatism. The truth is that Trump has used the presidency only to advance the conservative policy agenda. Above all else, the truth is that we are the cucks when we throw ourselves into electing Republicans, get taken for a ride and have nothing to show for it.

Perhaps Weev wants to romanticize and relive the glories of the 1980s. Maybe he is just content to feast on librul tears in pyrrhic electoral victories. We know how Reaganism ends. The Trump legacy will be another tier of browning states – Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina – that have become an even bigger California. Maybe Trump will succeed in boasting the stock market, cutting taxes for the wealthy, making life easier for hardworking multinational corporations and slashing the social safety net for the poor schmucks who thought he was going to bring back coal mining and manufacturing in Appalachia. It was victory for Jared Kushner and his fellow Jews, not for us.

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If anyone cut the Trump movement short, it was Donald Trump himself. Not Matthew Heimbach, Brad Griffin, the Traditional Worker Party or anyone else. All the cocksucking Jew-whore Donald Trump himself.
 
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There are a lot of good points, but I'm going to emphasize this one:

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4.) Fourth, we believe in balkanization. We don’t believe we are going to MAGA. We want the GOP to collapse as a national party like the Whigs in the 1850s. It will destabilize national politics and open up new possibilities that have been closed to us by the “mainstream” for decades.
I'm glad to see that more people are finally starting to get it. No more cucking for the GOP, no more "let's vote for the GOP because they're better than the Democrats". The position above is the best position, IMO. It's the only one that even makes any sense at this point.

I take back the bad stuff I've said about Brad Griffin. He's shaping up to be quite a solid representative for the movement.
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I take back the bad stuff I've said about Brad Griffin. He's shaping up to be quite a solid representative for the movement.
Indeed. He is a strong debater these days. His Southerner background and his great knowledge of its history might be what makes him so realistic about all of this. The US is over, essentially. What we, or you, need to prepare for is what is going to come after it.

In a way, I'd say it was all over by the time JFK was shot in the head in a public space. Per Michael Collins Piper's version of what had transpired before it, yeah, the kikes did it and that was their final fuck you to America. Don't mess us, or we'll shoot you in the head in front of the entire world and we will get away with it.

That's not to say JFK was one of us or great in any particular way, but he did oppose the Jews on some pretty important points, specifically with regards to Israel and its nuclear capacity (also read up on what he said about Hitler-Germany and who his father was). And that got him assassinated. Then there was Nixon - we all know he knew about the Jews - watergate'd and then Reagan who turned out be a clown and now Trump who is at the center stage of the Chapiteau the Jews have set up for the White public. From JFK on, everyone has gotten the message - we Jews rule over you filthy gentiles.

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Old February 25th, 2018 #5
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I take back the bad stuff I've said about Brad Griffin. He's shaping up to be quite a solid representative for the movement.
You are going to be disappointed.

Let's go back to an old article I transcribed some years ago.....


Why Revolution?

January 25, 2012

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Viking Warrior erred by failing to post this entire essay by Dr Pierce. It looks like the best one that he ever wrote. It comes from 40 years ago!
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I stayed up two nights in a row, typing that article out from Best of Attack! so it can be available on-line. Hardly anyone noticed the thread back in mid December......

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=136779

There is another one on the way and I will post that here on VNN when Will Williams gets it in the Legacy of Dr. William Luther Pierce blog. It is something positive that I can do at the present since there is no organization today based on Dr. Pierce's hard line no nonsense biological racialism.



Why Revolution?
From Attack! tabloid, Issue No. 6, 1971
by Dr. William L. Pierce

“If, by the instrument of governmental authority, a people is being driven to its destruction, then rebellion is not only the right but the duty of every member of that people.”

DURING TIMES OF SOCIAL DECAY and turmoil, the more responsible members of a society will nearly always be found supporting the constituted authority against the hostile or rebellious actions of disruptive elements. For the truly responsible and prudent citizen takes the long view, and he sees (in the words of the Founding Fathers) that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; that, however grievous may be the defects in any governmental policy or even in any system of government, it is nearly always preferable to tolerate those defects and to work for reform rather than to destroy the system.

Order Before Justice

Most injustices and evils on the part of a government are, after all, tolerable, but the absence of order is not. Not only is order an indispensable prerequisite for any form of society and for all human progress, but life itself cannot long continue in its absence.

Western man has been guided in his upward struggle throughout the millennia by an inherent will-to-order. It is an essential aspect of our racial soul. To many, then, it seems natural that the best racial elements of our society should be the champions of law and order, while the worst elements should be the principal proponents of disorder, revolution, and chaos.

Yet, as with most things, there are limits beyond which blind support of governmental authority ceases to be a virtue and becomes instead an evil.

The great question of our day is: How much corruption must be tolerated for the sake of order? When have things gone so far that reform of the System is no longer feasible and revolution becomes the responsible alternative? Where should the line be drawn?

Americans More Servile

History does not help us much. The conditions which, 200 years ago, led our forefathers to decide that the line had been crossed are totally unlike those of today.

We could easily justify the toleration of unfair taxes, of governmental meddling in our personal affairs and infringement of local prerogatives, if we could thereby maintain an orderly society in these vastly more dangerous times.

Although we can admire the American colonists’ fierce intolerance of tyranny, we, having become more servile and practical, would not rebel under similar circumstances. And if the issues troubling us were no more burdensome than those faced by them, the appellation “responsible conservative” would not be such an epithet of ridicule and contempt today.

Government as a Utility

In order to understand when the support of governmental authority stops being responsible and becomes merely obstinate we must examine the basic premises on which any government’s right to exist is founded.

The prevalent view of the government today, shared by both liberals and conservatives, is that it is an expensive but necessary public utility whose principal functions are to maintain law and order, mediate squabbles among the citizenry, and provide certain general services, such as national defense, mail delivery, and a bureau of weights and measures.

There is a diversity of opinion, of course, on details. Laissez-faire conservatives take the attitude that the services provided by government – and, consequently, its operating expense – should be kept at a minimal level. Welfare-oriented liberals are more inclined to demand the maximum of services and not worry about the expense.

Not A Dime’s Worth of Difference

In the most fundamental sense, however, right and left alike regard government from the same viewpoint: It is a dispenser of largesse, an oiler of the machinery of commerce, a source of favors and privileges, a traffic cop and an errand boy. Its role is to help keep society running smoothly so each citizen can “do his own thing” with a minimum of friction from others who are doing their own things.

The consequence of this libertarian concept of government is the catastrophic state of affairs which exists in the Western world today.

We plunder and poison our environment, both physical and spiritual, while the government sits on its hands.

Perversion, drugs, organized crime, and political corruption flourish, and the state can do nothing.

Massive treason occurs in our streets, just as in the highest councils of our land, and rioting aliens burn our cities, while Washington looks on helplessly.

System Is Sick

But this breakdown in operational function is only the outward manifestation of a far graver inner sickness – a sickness stemming from errors of the most fundamental sort in the very premises on which today’s government is based.

It is clear that the men who sacrificed their lives at the Alamo had a deeper motivation than a desire to preserve the police power of the state. And those who died on Iwo Jima did not do so for the sake of the farm subsidy program or an independent judiciary.

Patriotism, in fact, has very little to do with law and order, the protection of property rights, or the regulation of commerce. Contrary to libertarian claims, it has not much to do with freedom either. The preservation of freedom or of “the American way of life” may be convenient concepts around which to build war-propaganda slogans or election clichés, but the reason men are willing to die in battle has more fundamental roots.

Feeling for Own Kind

Though patriotic feeling may be developed and modified in citizens by education or indoctrination, the rudiments of patriotism are inborn. That inborn quality is simply the instinct for the preservation of one’s own kind.

The only government which can rightfully demand of its citizens loyalty unto death is a government based on this fundament. A government properly constituted and a state properly conceived serve to express the collective will of a people – that is, of a group of human beings sufficiently homogeneous in their physical and psychical makeup that the fundamental concept of “kind” has real meaning for every member of that group.

Thus, the state – and much less any government – is no end in itself, but only a means to an end. That end is the preservation and advancement of a people – of a racial community.

The Organic State

Only so far as a state is identified with the vital interests of a people is it entitled to the allegiance of that people. Such allegiance is then equivalent to loyalty to one’s own kind, and such a state is organic in that its existence stems in a natural – one could even say biological – way from a natural community. Any racially self-conscious citizen finds himself subject to two allegiances: that binding him to his own kind and that obligating him to his government. Of the two, the first has precedence. Only in an organic state do the two coincide.

Multiracialism Is Absurd

A government which claims to represent the vital interests of a multiracial society is not only unnatural but absurd. To whom, for example, does the Bantu in South Africa or the Arab in occupied Palestine give his loyalty – to the government or to his own kind? Neither the Afrikaners nor the Jews are so foolish as to imagine it will be to the government, despite the multi-racial baloney to which they feel obligated to give lip service. For this reason, both Jew and Afrikaner take care to keep all the strings of government in their own hands. We in America have not been so smart – but, then, no other nation has ever been subjected to such a program of liberal brainwashing and internal subversion as we have.

A Corrupt Monstrosity

The United States government has, through slow and (until the last 20 years)nearly imperceptible change, been transformed from an organic institution embodying the will and aspirations of a free, White, and proud citizenry to a corrupt, unnatural, and degenerate monstrosity irresponsibly catering to the dissolute tastes, desires, and whims of an increasingly debased, raceless conglomerate of materialistic serfs, products of the urban jungle and the most tyrannical thought-control apparatus the world has ever known.

As the government grinds massively onward, it behaves like a Frankenstein monster out of control. It has become completely alienated from the racial elements which originally created it and gave it life. This terrible truth manifests itself daily in a thousand ways.

Terror in the Schools

Every White student in the public school systems of America’s cities, racially integrated by decree of the Justice Department, has experienced the terror which stalks his classrooms and recreation fields, hallways and restrooms. The daily shakedowns and beatings, indignities and intimidations bring a feeling of hopelessness and despair, because the government responsible for this classroom terror will not even admit that it exists.

Every White policeman and every White serviceman belonging to a police or military unit racially integrated by decree of City Hall or the Pentagon feels the loss of spirit and efficiency which has come as a result. He is sickened and discouraged by the slackening standards in his once-proud profession, by the growing corruption and rising drug abuse on the part of those who wear his uniform.

An Alien Tide

Every working man whose union has been flooded with under skilled “minority” workers by Labor Department decree senses the loss entailed, not only to his craft or trade but to the nation. If he has any pride of workmanship he must sorrow as the old, hard-earned traditions of skill and excellence yield to the alien tide of “equality.”

Every responsible and racially conscious public-school teacher, who, year by year, sees more and more lies and distortions in the textbooks he must use – textbooks which are being continually “revised” by decree of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare – knows the shame of aiding in the planting of these lies in the minds of his young charges.

Schools Racially Destructive

This is among the most deadly of all the System’s racially destructive activities. Through its iron control over the educational process it deliberately alienates an entire generation of young Americans from their cultural and racial antecedents. It applies the corrosive compound of half-truths and lies, calculated omissions and subtle psychological tricks to destroy all bonds between the individual and his racial community.

Our schools do not truly educate; instead they produce young people who, at worse, are so filled with artificially instilled feelings of guilt and self-hatred, the consequence of never-ending propaganda about “White racism” and the oppression of minorities, that they actively and consciously collaborate with the avowed enemies of our people. At best, we get young men and women who, having been denied the knowledge of the greatness and uniqueness of their race and of their responsibility as the bearers of that greatness and uniqueness, are indifferent to any appeal to racial solidarity. They are all converts to the liberal religion of individuality – the view that the individual exists solely as an end in himself.

Every year – every day – that this deadly process continues brings us closer to that point of no return when there will be so few uncorrupted escapees from the public mind-molding institutions that no effective resistance to the System can any longer be built.

Government Genocide

The United States government does not carry on its genocidal activities blindly or accidentally or against its will. It does not act reluctantly because of pressure from the alien-controlled newspapers and broadcasting networks.
The agencies of government are integral parts of the entire, corrupt System. They work hand in hand with the propaganda media to quench any spark of racial consciousness which might threaten their rule.

Ultimately the System, in order to secure its own evil existence, seeks the destruction of every last remnant of the only race which, having created it, is also capable of destroying it.

Servants of the System

The time has come when we must wake up and realize that the policeman on the street corner and the Congressman in Washington are no longer either our guardians or our servants. They are the guardians and servants of the System – though not necessarily consciously or with malice afterthought. More often they are only timeservers; more-or-less powerless cogs in the machine themselves.

Nevertheless, willingly or unwillingly, it is the System they serve.

The governmental structure which our forefathers built up to serve and protect us has been turned against us. Its strength is no longer our security but our peril. Its weaknesses are no longer our misfortune but our opportunity.

The line has been crossed.

Among racially conscious Americans there is widespread awareness of the destructive role of the System, but an equally widespread paralysis of the will where any remedy is concerned. Part of the fault lies in the fact that with Blacks and Jewish liberals and the spoiled, hairy brats of the Establishment shouting for a revolution, everyone else is inclined to regard revolution as a dirty word. To most mature and thoughtful patriots it is an abomination.

A Trap for Conservatives

This attitude arises from a failure to understand that the “revolutionary” tactics of those elements presently rioting in the streets are only a means of further emphasizing those things we already hate worst in the System. They only want to push us even faster along the road to racial ruin.

Thus, our “responsible conservatives” (and all others) fall into the trap of saying: “No, the System is going fast enough the way you want it. We will oppose your revolutionary demands by defending the System against you.”

And they still vainly seek solutions in the realm of reform rather than revolution: Write a letter to your Congressman. Send a dollar to help awaken your fellow citizens to the dangers of communism. Vote conservative. Join a tax protest. Pray that the earth will open and swallow the Supreme Court.

Present Prosperity a Curse

When the average White working man can own a color TV set, two new cars, and a house in the suburbs, it is very difficult to think revolution. We are comfort corrupted. No matter how bad the System is, we are unwilling to sacrifice our material luxuries for the sake of securing the future of our race.

We find too difficult to accept that it is better that we suffer the worse privations, the most grinding poverty, the most tyrannical oppressions than that, wallowing in comfort, we allow the race to die.

And so we keep looking for easier ways.

But there aren’t any easy ways. Maybe there were 50 years ago, but not today.

It is no longer possible to cure the System – to bring Frankenstein’s monster to heel – by Constitutional methods.

When the electoral process ceased being a person-to-person evaluation and choice of their representatives and leaders from among themselves by a properly qualified citizenry, the governmental forms handed down to us by a free Anglo-Saxon yeomanry lost their original meaning and relevance.

Today’s political shell game, in which the entire public herd is allowed a “choice” from an array of media-generated images, makes a cynical mockery of the very concept of representative democracy.

As long as public opinion is not the spontaneous consensus of a racially and culturally homogenous populace but is the artificially created and manipulated concoction of a small clique of racially alien mind-molders, it is idle to contemplate bringing about, by System-approved means, any significant governmental change contrary to the wishes of those who control the System.

Yet, millions of optimistic patriots perennially convince themselves that they have found an honest politician who, if only they can sneak him past the professionals and get him elected, will outwit the string-pullers and return the American government to the hands of its proper owners. They drastically underestimate the cunning of their masters.

Other millions believe that public enlightenment is the answer. For example, they are under the impression that the catastrophic 1954 Supreme Court decision on racial integration of our schools was the consequence of the court being supplied with faulty information on racial differences. They seriously misjudge the motives of the beast.

A Stake Through The Heart

We do not need to reason with the monster; we need to put a bullet into its brain and hammer a stake through its heart. If that means blood and chaos and battling the alien enemy from house to house in burning cities throughout our land – then, by God, it is better that we get on with it now than later.

If “responsible” citizens have no stomach for it, then the task must fall to our radicalized youth. And it is the responsibility of the National Youth Alliance to take a leading position in coming revolutionary developments, so that young Americans can build a revolution for America and for our people, instead of serving as pawns in the alien-controlled, anti-American and anti-White revolution of the Marxists.
 
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That's a very good piece by Pierce. First time I've seen it.

This particular quote here is very relevant to this topic, as well as Trump, and Trump supporters:

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Yet, millions of optimistic patriots perennially convince themselves that they have found an honest politician who, if only they can sneak him past the professionals and get him elected, will outwit the string-pullers and return the American government to the hands of its proper owners. They drastically underestimate the cunning of their masters.
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The US is over, essentially. What we, or you, need to prepare for is what is going to come after it.
I think the USA is destined to fracture up like the former USSR did. The system as it currently is won't be sustainable forever. And that includes whatever power/influence/control they have, not just over people in this country, but the ability to extent that power into other countries. When people say "worse is better", that means they have zero confidence in any other method, and they're looking for something similar to that to happen. For the record, I think the USA is done. But I think the White race still has a good shot. Countries in Europe should be taking advantage of any decline in US power to better assert themselves racially, ethnically, and culturally.
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The truth is that our lives have become more difficult and it is harder to get our message out under Trump than it was under Obama.
A case in point: Under Obama, we were able to put up one or more White Genocide petitions on the White House petition site every month for several years, but the Trump White House has blocked every White Genocide petition that we tried to put up, so we stopped putting up petitions.
 
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Weev should just stick to memes, and helping WNs keep their websites up. Don't get me wrong, Weev has been a net gain for the movement, but he's dead wrong on this issue.
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I favor the "diverse strategy" approach.

Theoretically speaking, there is no reason why someone cannot vote for Trumpers on Tuesday, host a Right Wing Death Squad meet-up on Wednesday, keep a job on the school board or the county commission all week, and fuck his wife or girlfriend and make a White baby on the weekend.

Gotta break the monobrain mentality. One goal (White majority nation) does not have to equal one strategy.

Example, goal = living (one goal). Strategy = eating, working, playing, fucking, exploring, child-raising, etc. (many activities/strategies). That's for one individual. Expand the same principle to a group of people. All working every angle for one goal. Remember "working toward the Führer"?

Now you tell me what's wrong with this.
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Now you tell me what's wrong with this.
Most of what you said is fine, except for one little detail.

If someone wants to toss their vote in the basket for the GOP, fine, just don't tell me that's part of a greater strategy.
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I'm not opposed to people trying out new ideas. And I'm in favor of the analytical approach. Examining history to figure out what works and what doesn't work, while also trying to make it relevant for modern times.

If there is one thing that I can say for 100% certain doesn't work, that's voting for the GOP. If anyone would like to explain to my pea-brained ass why voting for "Trumpers" is going to get us anywhere, I'm listening. Weev's argument is unsatisfactory.

Before "Trumpers" it was "Tea Partiers", and before that it was "Reaganites". Whites went out and voted for whoever the popular GOP labels were during their times, and it did nothing but continue to pave our path to where we are currently. Because voting in National elections in the USA simply ignores the greater problem at hand. We have a fucking jewish problem.

All Trump has done was breathe life into a political party that was on the outs. A political party that's being used by kikes to shepherd the White masses, and if any of you have been paying attention, you'll notice that it's business as usual in Washington DC. Even though "our guy " got elected.

Here is what I think would have happened had Trump lost. The "right" would have moved farther to the right, and more Whites would feel disenfranchised by the political system, and the GOP would be at an all time low. Topics of discussion would have moved further toward our direction. Whatever benefits that Trump gave our positions would have been better served had he lost, IMO.
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Not a Carlin lover all around. About this topic, he is 100% correct:
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Old March 4th, 2018 #14
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We have too many old people whose brains are buried in the 1980s.

Forget Reagan. Times are different.

These days, the Dems are the so-called "Coalition of the Ascendant" (= POC scum) and are openly calling for White Genocide and war on Russia (which would be a nuclear war).

As many have pointed out, the Trump administration would horrify Ronnie Raygun, just as it horrifies the (((Deep State))) today. While you can post as many pics of Trump licking the Wailing Wall as you like, and while it's true that Trump isn't a WN, it's also true that, for example, he is imposing tariffs -- while Reagan was for "global free trade." Trump is reducing immigration (including chain and legal) -- Reagan signed the biggest amnesty in American history and often touted brown invaders as being more American than Americans. The list goes on. Reagan was Jeb Bush.

The biggest dumbasses in the world assume that political candidates will bring in the Promised Land. They won't.

These dumbasses also assume that all voters share that assumption. They don't.

The truth is, voting can be part of a strategy. Or rather, one of many strategies toward the same one goal. (Digression: why is it so hard for old guys to understand that one goal does not necessarily imply one strategy? Is it calcification of the synapses?)

Look at it this way. It's a multi-front war. While some of our guys are demonstrating in the streets, others can just write checks (they need to do more of both). While some of our guys write books, others form revolutionary squads. While some of our guys make media, others run for city council. AND while some of our guys spam the internet with fascist memes, others vote for any candidate who will keep America majority White as long as possible.

That's where Trump comes in. As even the poz admits, his actions so far would postpone a South Africa situation in America by at least five years. Not good enough, but better than zero.

If Clinton had won, you would be in jail, Crowe. And we would all be radioactive - literally. Clinton wasn't another Dukakis, just as Trump isn't another Reagan. (Forget the '80s, for chrissakes.) She was/is a madwoman. The Dems themselves are the Bolshevik Guard redux. Things have changed fast.

Trump is Stage One cancer. Dems and traditional Republicans are an immediate bullet to the brain.

Now we come to the real nub of our disagreement. You support "worse is better," I recognize that worse is only worse.

You want Whites to be a minority, ideally you pray for us to find ourselves in South African conditions -- on the theory that this will "wake up" Whites. Talk about tired 1980s thinking.

Ask yourself: who is actually delusional? You think Whites are going to "wake up" if pushed to extinction faster. Okay, say we're smashed down to near-zero and we wake up...then what? "Wake up and defeat our foes." How can we do that after we become a powerless minority?

When "the chips are down" we activate our super powers? What is this, a cheesy 1980s Rambo movie? This is literally the level of stupidity we're talking about.

Are the White South Africans "waking up and defeating their enemies"? Or are they being slaughtered?

How, exactly, can you defeat an enemy if you are an impoverished / imprisoned minority?

Power is important. Being a majority is a necessary part of power (but not sufficient, of course).

The "worse is better" mantra is only true around the margins. A few unexpected reverses and setbacks can be good for you, as long as you hold the whip hand. They keep you alert and jealous of your power.

But the "worse is better" people are talking about giving power away. Giving away a majority. Jumping into the cannibals' pot, because somehow, that will defeat the cannibals. (By giving them indigestion, I guess.)

The "worse is better" people support unilateral disarmament in the race war.

And like jews, they Orwellian-lie about it. "Total powerlessness is the key to total powerfulness, goyim... trust me."

Voting will not bring in the Promised Land. It is, at best, one strategy in a multi-front conflict. It does not stand alone. It must be used in combination with other strategies.

Anyway, I think all this is pretty clear to most WN.
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Sean, you could have simply said that we should vote for the GOP because they're better than the Democrats in far fewer words.

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But the "worse is better" people are talking about giving away power. Giving away a majority. Jumping into the cannibals' pot, because somehow this will defeat the cannibals. (By giving them indigestion, I guess.)
Like Weev, you consider Trump in the Whitehouse + a GOP majority in government "power"? No, that's (((power))).

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If Clinton had won, you would be in jail, Crowe. And we would all be radioactive - literally. Clinton wasn't another Dukakis, just as Trump isn't another Reagan. (Forget the '80s, for chrissakes.) She was/is a madwoman. The Dems themselves are the Bolshevik Guard redux. Things have changed fast.
Sounds like typical conservative paranoia. People were saying the same thing about Obama getting elected. It also shows a complete lack of understanding as to (((who))) actually runs the country. Hint: It's not the President.

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Anyway, I think all this is pretty clear to most WN.
Not really. There seemed to be a short spurt where voting in elections seemed to matter again, but it's shifted back, and now people see and understand the reality that elections in the USA don't really matter that much. Someone could make a case for local elections.
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