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Most book on NS you just get tired from the constant reassurances how bad they were. Yes, yes, little fellow, I understand how much you hate them, no, no I would never ever suspect the dozen years researching book indicated some kind of deep guess they might be right about this or that slightest thing. Never ever think, no no no, please, please, I beg you, just tell me the fucking story and keep the gravy off it. Thanks, pilgrim, 'preciate it muchly.
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He who does not work, neither shall he eat
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Part of a series on Socialism He who does not work, neither shall he eat is a Biblical aphorism derived from II Thessalonians 3:10, which became a slogan for new colonies and socialist societies. The slogan was used by Captain John Smith in setting up his colony in Jamestown, Virginia (1607-1609). According to Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, it is the first principle of socialism. The phrase is mentioned in his 1917 work, State and Revolution (chapter 5, section 3). Through this slogan Lenin explains that in socialist states only productive individuals would be allowed access to the articles of consumption. This is not really directed at lazy or unproductive workers [1][2], but rather the bourgeoisie. Marxist theory holds that the bourgeoisie buy the commodity labor-power of workers and enlists them in the process of production. Profits are then made by the expropriation of surplus value. Accordingly, in a communist society, with the abolition of property and the law of value, there would be no class of individuals that lives off the labor of others. [3] The principle would not apply to those who could not work, such as the elderly or the lame. These groups would have a right to society's products because they were not at fault for their condition. The elderly, furthermore had worked during their youth, and so could not be denied life’s basic necessities. This concept is derived directly from the Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle (with Silvanus and Timothy) to the Thessalonians, in which Paul writes to the Thessalonians in reassurance regarding the Second Coming. In the 1936 Soviet Constitution, Article Twelve states: In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat." The principle has been fundamental to the attempts so far to effect the communist mode of production. |
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It will come as no surprise to readers of the Mises Daily that price control does not work. But DiLorenzo still manages to come up with an unexpected point about this familiar topic. The Nazi leader Hermann Goering warned the American occupation authorities that they stood in danger of repeating the mistakes of his own recently fallen regime. Speaking to the American correspondent (and, by the way, later American Ambassador to Switzerland) Henry Taylor, Goering said,
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That's worthy of a place alongside those old Rothschild quotes.
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[Woods and Hoppe on Hitler's economic policies]
Hitler Was Not a Good Economist In some anti-Fed, pro-fiat money circles (yes, they exist) you will actually hear defenses of Adolf Hitler’s economic policy, on the grounds that it yielded a super economy for Germany. Germany was engaged in military Keynesianism. These writers mistake this for prosperity. It’s the error people make when they think World War II was a prosperous time for the United States. Writes economist Albrecht Ritschl: A critical reassessment of deficit spending during the Nazi recovery reveals a surprisingly small role for macroeconomic policy. Both the descriptive evidence and the results from multivariate time series forecasts suggest that recovery from the Great Depression was mainly driven by a rebound effect that was visible in the data already by late 1932. Up to around 1936, the German recovery was no more advanced than that of Britain or the United States, where far less expansionary fiscal policies were followed. However, even in Germany the fiscal impulse generated by the budget deficit was too small to be consistent with Keynesian demand stimulation under an income/expenditure mechanism. In order to explain the very high, at times two-digit growth rates of GNP during the recovery, deficits would have had to be two to five times higher than they actually were. Apparently, recovery was due to forces other than fiscal and monetary policy, just as in the cases of Britain and the United States. . . . Nazi recovery appears less spectacular than was hitherto believed. Our results also indicate that government spending was dominated by war preparation already in a very early phase of the Nazi recovery. I find little justification for the popular interpretation that recovery was sparked off by non-military work-creation and the construction of the autobahn network. Investment in the autobahn reached sizable magnitudes only in 1936. All these projects pale in comparison with the rapid build-up of military expenditure, except for the year of 1933 when rearmament had not yet really begun. To secure the desired high speed of war preparation, the Nazi administration took early, often draconian steps to crowd out private demand. The growth in consumer spending fell short of the increase in national product, and the contribution of private investment to the recovery remained unimpressive. Strict control of private expenditure was partly achieved by maintaining taxation at the high levels reached during the depression years. [Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment, Institute for Empirical Research in Economics, University of Zurich, pp. 16-17.] http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/hitler-...ood-economist/ |
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Woods and Hoppe are probably right. In theory. But ask the Germans who lived in both Weimar and the Third Reich. They will probably disagree. And they were there. Woods and Hoppe were not.
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I think the NSDAP were brilliant economists, they turned around a completely FUBAR economy in just a few years, made their population debt free, and their manufacturing industry was revitalized.
Its no surprise that most modern economists would be critical. Its simply not PC to say the "Nazis" did anything right. And I think they can lock you up in Germany for speaking out in support of anything the Nazis did. If anything we should be looking to do exactly what they did. |
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After Adolf Hitler passed his Enabling Bill Schacht toured the United States where he made forty speeches, appeared on radio and wrote several articles for American newsletters where he claimed that Hitler would soon return Germany to democracy. He met Franklin D. Roosevelt but made a bad impression on the president who later described him as "extremely arrogant".
In August, 1934, Hitler appointed Schacht as his minister of economics. Deeply influenced by the economic ideas of John Maynard Keynes and Roosevelt's New Deal, Schacht encouraged Hitler to introduce a programme of public works, including the building of the Autobahnen. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERschacht.htm |
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It's a commonly believed big lie that Germany's prosperity was due to military spending, however Germany's recovery is exactly how they were able to afford rearmament. Truly large investments in arms began after German coffers were replenished, in 1938.
Planned economies are the most efficient ways to organize a nations capital, and the key to ethnic defense, the latter being the basis of NS. Socialism has always been the German answer to British laissez faire economic theory, hence why Germany's industrial revolution was far more efficient and less cruel than Britain's (well known for its 8 year old coal miners). The world's first planned economy, under the Japanese Mejii restoration, was a similar success story as NS, employed after years of failed British/Hebrew originated theories of gold standards etc. Socialism was hijacked by Marx and others of his tribe later turned into a globalist abomination that is the spiritual twin of capitalism. But of course light industry should be left up to free enterprise, as was done in NS. Mixed economies of the EU and America are utter failures due to the banking system, racial problems, and absolute corruption in these times (the economy is just a symptom of something deeper, the J word comes to mind). |
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ON NATIONAL SOCIALISM AND WORLD RELATIONS SPEECH DELIVERED IN THE GERMAN REICHSTAG ON JANUARY 30TH 1937 by Adolf Hitler FÜHRER AND CHANCELLOR http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/hitler1.htm Quote:
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This could be authentic and it could be not. ?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!!!.........?!?!!? How come when you put a certain limit on certain item, in order the price to be low enough so the people may live happy lives and high enough so the manufacturer can have profit, you control peoples' lives? Also if you control the prices you have to control the wages also, it is inevitable. But from this the whole society wins and prospers. Now some earn millions per year, and others barely make it, they starve, don't go to the hospital, don't buy drugs and generally live a miserable live. Control of the prices and wages is a key element to the national-socialist system. |
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Some general points on the German economy that blind Hitler-worshippers on places like SF forget:
German poverty compared to other western nations One often forgotten fact about the economy of Germany at this time period is that the Germans were quite poor people compared to the Americans and Brits. In the 1930s, GDP per capita looked like this: Clark's (1940) Ranking (53 countries) of Real Income per Person Occupied, 1925-34 USA 1,381 Canada 1,337 New Zealand 1,202 UK 1,069 Switzerland 1,018 Argentina* 1,000 Australia 980 Netherlands 855 Ireland 707 France 684 Denmark 680 Sweden 653 Uruguay* 650 Germany 646 Belgium 600 Spain* 550 Chile* 550 Norway 539 Austria 511 Czechoslovakia 455 Brazil* 435 Fr. Greece 397 Finland 380 Philippines* 375 Mexico* 360 Palestine* 360 Hungary 359 Japan 353 Poland 352 Martinique* 350 Latvia 345 Italy 343 Estonia 341 Yugoslavia 330 Egypt* 325 USSR 320 Algiers* 300 South Africa 276 etc. Source: http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/articles/colin_clark.pdf The average American was twice as rich as the average German. According to a study from the 1870s to 1930s, the average German was a maximum of around 80% as rich as the average Brit. http://www.coll.mpg.de/pdf_dat/2009_18online.pdf As Adam Tooze showed in his book, Wages of Destruction, in the chapter "Volksgemeinschaft on a budget", the type of comfortable housing that average Americans could afford was out of reach for all but the richest Germans. Many foodstuffs, such as milk, were extraordinarily expensive, as were clothes. Car ownership remained far below the US level. The deterioration of worker's rights and wages under Hitler All trade unions were banned and replaced by a government-run "German labour front". The average worker had little voice anymore, and strikes were essentiall outlawed. Unemployment was 1.8 million in 1928, a Weimar boom year, and officially 0.5 million in 1938. But around 1 million men had become army members, and many more men were unpayed forced laborers for the so-called Arbeitsdienst. Many women, and eventually Jews, were removed from the statistics altogether. The supposed miracle of reducing German unemployment from 6 million to a couple hundred thousand is exaggerated and includes a lot of smoke and mirrors. (See Evans, The Third Reich in Power, for more on this) The economic recovery was based on expanding corporate profits and rearmanant, not living standard increases for the average Germans. Wage growth remained low and never reached the level of 1928, even though Germans were working very long hours. Quote:
Deficit spending under Hitler Hitler did not make Germany debt or usury free, though he claimed he wanted to. Infact, the German government ran a huge deficit - in 1938-1939, it spent almost twice as much as the revenues it took in. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L...it&f=false The German recovery vs other recoveries Unemployment reached a peak of over 20% in the US in 1932. Under a fairly similar economic planning system to Hitler, Roosevelt brought this down to just over 5% in 1941. Britain's economy also grew quite strongly in the later years of the 1930s, not funded as much by massive rearmanant. http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/74...-in-the-1930s/ Last edited by Englisc; August 23rd, 2014 at 03:38 AM. |
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The Reichsarbeitsdienst wasn't that much different from FDR's massive public works projects in the same way that it employed millions of starving citizens, and gave them food, shelter, and a purpose. Slave labor my ass. That is just a way of twisting the facts and playing word games for a political agenda. Which in this case is clearly biased against Germany. Its a load of hog wash, and complete damage control to explain off why Germany had a lower unemployment rate by using terms like "forced labor" which was complete and utter bullshit. Quote:
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