White Nationalists Support Kikencabal's Fire Buchanan Campaign!

[Curious]

Originally Posted by Nick Apleece

Do you really believe David Duke, Mr. "Zero tolerance for violence", is a radical? He's WN Lite. He's the Diet Pepsi of racialism. Not too far removed from Buchanan except that he'll say the "J" word.

I would go the other way, and say a Conservative or Liberal who uses violence against a jew or a jew tool is better than a WN who preaches non-violence.

[Rick Ronsavelle]

The Liberty Dollar fiasco was typical of conservative thinking.
I choke at the stupidity involved. "Dollar" has legal/monetary ramifications involving the jew fed-gov. They actually put TWENTY DOLLARS on the coin/round.

The only info on the coin/round should be how much metal (silver), the purity, and who made it. The other crap tied them into the state quite needlessly- they were just asking to be horsewhipped. They want to "break free", while using the enemy's legal system and nomenclature.

Reminds me of tax protesters, going to the jew-court to prove that taxation is voluntary.

[Myles]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

You know the truth Starr? You're about 10% brighter than the idiots who think pro wrestling is real. And like Mr. Hand, I'm being generous with the ten percent.

What? Pro wrestling is fake?!?!

[Myles]

Originally Posted by Kievsky

In my opinion, 2009 will go down in history as a turning point in history -- the year Whites became self aware, and White identity and interest went viral. The comment sections under the newspaper articles tell the tale.

The same whites (sic) who put a negro in the White House in 2008 are suddenly going to awaken just a year later?

C'mon dude, you don't really believe that.

[Nick Apleece]

There was a time when I would have disagreed with you, Alex, but witnessing the emasculating inertia that affects men who become involved with Conservatism changed my mind. Conservatives are kosher. I understand why people support it. It looks a hell of a lot better than liberalism at a quick glance. But it's a jewish substitute for the real thing. An easy example of that is John McCain. So many folks who naturally lean our way voted for McCain because he wasn't Obama, but McCain would have been a greater loss for our people, more damaging than the Magic Nigger, because McCain is a jew in white skin. No good for Whites would have come from a McCain presidency.

Whites who should know better need to reject the jew tool labels of "left/right", "liberal/conservative", and "Democrat/Republican". They are false choices.

[PeterKramer]

The jew wants to exterminate whites immediately, the conservative wants to phase out the white race over five years, the paleocon wants to phase out the white race over six years.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Monetary honesty, however that is arrived at. No power can be allowed to inflate the currency, because that man owns all political by virtue of his ability to do so. That is, hard money. Money tied to gold, I would say. Some disagree, but money tied to labor can easily translate into slavery. This conception goes hand in hand with a monofunctional national government. The smaller the government, the smaller its tax on the people, the smaller the stakes for gamers and cheaters.

I've been reading a book which argues that low taxes along with a gold-backed currency are the keys to prosperity. The book is Gold: the Once and Future Money, by Nathan Lewis.

I'd like to read some opposing viewpoints before I form an opinion on the matter, though. A lot of national socialist types don't seem to like the gold standard, and I never really understood why. I'd be infinitely happier with money that was directly convertible to a PM, like money was 90 years ago, than with the monopoly money we have today.

The guy who did that Money Masters video also advises against the gold standard, though he doesn't explain his reasons.

[N.B. Forrest]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

And yes, he is wrong to talk down violence. He can emphasize love, for whatever reason, I don't see that as a productive way to go about it, but instead of talking down violence, which is used by the enemy to thwart us, he should say nothing.

Right. That would have been the proper tactic. That way he could still say "I have never advocated violence" whenever some judenpresse turd tried to corner him. Big blunder.

[T.I.]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Those are the two competing visions we want left in the field. Visions we can divide and fight over, knowing the vast mass of White Americans will take our side. And unlike the cowards called conservatives, we fight under our real banner - the White race.

But how can WN be considered a vision when it has no specifics on its economic worldview (even you wouldn’t argue Libertarianism cuts the mustard). Other popularly supported and successful programs such as I mentioned above contained fully half of their points on economic issues. At best that leaves us with only one boot. People can sense that there is still something vitally lacking with WN. A healthy (cooperative) economic strategy is that other boot.

Monetary honesty, however that is arrived at. [...] So essentially, our party plank is that we will not covertly tax whites via printing money (inflation). We will also advise and advocate anti-materialist spiritual revolution, reducing materialism and encouraging savings. We are for work. We are for savings. We are for White men, and that means running their own lives and NOT needing gigantic tax-sucking, currency-inflating big government.

Again, not much specifics. How can we leave half of our program out to vague generalities? This is why we are in this mess to begin with; we lack specifics where it matters most with the people, not with us.

Originally Posted by The Irishman

Attempting to polarize with words and rhetoric barely cuts much ice.

There is no other way to do it […] provided it is backed by guns and tv satellites.

But we have neither so where does that leave us? Our listeners may be quietly agreeing with everything we say, but without the guns and satellites they are busy thinking “What do I have to gain?” Of course they have much more to lose.

There is another way to polarize: with practical economic specifics that are the nuts and bolts of a popular and viable WN alternative.

You won't get their ears unless the system is breaking down. That appears to be happening to an extent, but we're nowhere near Weimar yet.

We can’t wait around for a Weimar that may never come.

Originally Posted by The Irishman

Designing and locally implementing that system should be our job.

We have failed.

I know what you mean, but those who have tried, I posted a story the other day, get their ass kicked by the feds. Doing it in theory is great and not a problem; doing it in reality attracts the wrong attention.

As Kievsky (I believe) says: just do it, don’t announce it. (Those who matter will hear only the details they need to hear.)

And the stuff you can get away with is nice, but too small scale for the big changes we need.

The chances for the success of big changes are nil. Better to work for small stuff with shorter odds, no?

(E.g., just think of all the money that White people have locked up in savings and investments sitting in multi-national banks - that the jews are using against us.

We need to be creative and focus our energies on ways to get that money to work for us locally, instead. How small scale is that? )

[Economics is] one aspect of our differentiation. But like I said, the hard thing is not differentiating ourselves, it's creating a space for the public even to know that we exist.

Isn’t it a natural to create this space through economics rather than through rhetoric?

You can try to demonstrate whatever you want, but if it involves hard money, you will eventually be brought down, that has been demonstrated by the Liberty Dollar people and the guy who made a private gold-for-money bank in a couple states.

This is a risk that we are going to have to take. At this stage of decay we have no other option.

Originally Posted by The Irishman

P.S. Please feel free to edit my username to The Irishman. I admit I don’t know how!

You can't, only admins can change that stuff.

Ok that’s what I figured. Thanks! Just trying to do my cooperative bit here

[Mark]

Originally Posted by F.W. Braun

Everyone who's not a wild-eyed anti-Semite and doesn't scream death to the Jews at the end of a sentence! Like a crazed psycho is a pussy and a cur. No wonder this place attracts mostly sociopaths.

That's right, sociopaths and narcissists, and the biggest one of all is Alex Linder. He's like a racist Bill O'Reilly.

VNN forum has to be the biggest collection of dysfunctional white nationalists on the net.

[Sean Gruber]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

The jew wants to exterminate whites immediately, the conservative wants to phase out the white race over five years, the paleocon wants to phase out the white race over six years.

Very good summary.

Halfway measures and playing the game haven't worked for at least 50 years. Correction: they have worked - for the jews. The jews have given Whites tender-steppers to admire, and we've admired them all the way to the edge of extinction.

The old timers among us have seen through the Punch and Judy show. We are tired of the cautious bullshit, the endless careful hope that we can sneak our positions into political effect. It doesn't work; it never did. And never will. The younger folk, to whom everything is new and exciting, believe that Glenn Beck is fighting for them, and under him our cause will win soon, very soon!

Listen to your elders, kids. We were played the same way you are now being played. Wake up and curb kick all the Patsies - leaving WN standing alone as the only alternative.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Other than balls, a gelding's not that different from a stallion.

Slow your roll, nigger, and just think about how stupid the above statement is.

Put the crack pipe down, Alexome, and think about how absurd most of what you say is.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

So, to you, cowardice is acceptable in your political analyst or representative. Do you feel that way about your doctor, too? Do you go to a doctor who knows the disease you're suffering from, but withholds the diagnosis and cure from you?

Absolutely not.

You create so many straw men it's hard to keep track.

I've never supported Pat, nor conservatives.

I have only stated that he does bring some people to white nationalism. You've admitted this yourself, and there are many other examples.

Your problem is you're so egomaniacal about a given point, you become crazed and irrational. Everyone's an idiot if they don't agree with you, and you speak for all white nationalists!

The more likely case is that if Buchanan is fired, his career ruined, it won't be some break in the dam for white nationalists, they'll just replace him with someone more like Hannity who won't say anything remotely pro-white or controversial.

[Wakena]

Originally Posted by Mark

Everyone's an idiot if they don't agree with you

That's bullshit. Your prescription is the same one that has been used for 50 years. The patient has never improved and appears close now to terminal. Time to try something that works.

-- Cthulhu

[Dan_O]

Both Buchanan and Dobbs are two pages out of the same book. I've seen folks at stormfront cheering Dobbs on for his "stance" against illegal immigration, and he's married to a fucking Mexican!

[Sean Gruber]

Many Republicrats are queers or queer-friendly. Read this guy and decide for yourself: [Here].

As some wag put it, homosexuals have thoroughly penetrated the Conservatives.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Rick Ronsavelle

The Liberty Dollar fiasco was typical of conservative thinking.
I choke at the stupidity involved. "Dollar" has legal/monetary ramifications involving the jew fed-gov. They actually put TWENTY DOLLARS on the coin/round.

The only info on the coin/round should be how much metal (silver), the purity, and who made it.

But then it wouldn't be any different from bullion. The Liberty Dollar was as much a political statement and challenge to the existing system as anything.

I do get your point, though. They were probably people who, like the tax protestors, had a very literalistic view of the law, not realizing that it doesn't matter what the law says, what matters is who wields the power. The system is never going to allow something that seriously undermines it, no matter what the law says.

Some Catholics gave me a sample of some alternative fiat money that is apparently being used in some communities instead of "real" (government monopoly) money. Neat idea, but if it ever got too popular, I'm sure the government would crack down on it in two seconds flat. Eventually they would have to deal with problems like counterfeiting, too; counterfeiting these bills in an age of $50 scanners and $400 color laser printers wouldn't be hard at all.

[Mike Parker]

Originally Posted by The Irishman

There is another way to polarize: with practical economic specifics that are the nuts and bolts of a popular and viable WN alternative.

I agree. The 3 pillars of the Jewed economy remain usury, financial speculation and limited liability. Today especially, these (plus trade) are the surest tickets to popular outrage. Doesn't WN have to be a workers' movement? The pet peeves of Lewpus's lawyers and coin dealers don't help us.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Myles

"Microsoft is Israeli almost as much it is American"
—Steve Balmer, Jewish CEO for Microsoft

I hope people aren't going to read your sig and get the idea that Macs or Linux are any less jewish than MS.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Myles

The same whites (sic) who put a negro in the White House in 2008 are suddenly going to awaken just a year later?

Well, it has had a polarizing effect with the whites who didn't vote for the magic negro, who are still a significant portion of the white electorate. Now if only those whites could get it through their heads that the Republikahns are not their friends.

[Mark Faust]

Originally Posted by Starr

I don't think this place attracts mostly sociopaths. I think it attracts people who try to outdue each other in attempting to look like the biggest bad ass. The rest of what you say is correct.

Amen to that, I would like to know how many of these "puritans" who claim to be so perfectly racist watch silly TV shows, or jerk off to Jewish porn, or would bang a non white chick because they can't get laid in a morgue if they try.

You know those who get down on us REAL people who admit to having a not so racist past in our previous lives and made a recovery.

To be truthful this place has a fraction of how many SF has.