White Nationalists Support Kikencabal's Fire Buchanan Campaign!

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by The Irishman

This is why we are in this mess to begin with; we lack specifics where it matters most with the people, not with us.

I think this situation will change as serious people who have a deeper understanding of economics start to gravitate towards our movement.

Going back to the original subject of this thread, in order for that to happen, we need to knock those rivals out of the way who are blocking us out of the view. Those are the conservatives, but also (IMO) the patriotard/B'nai Bircher types like Alex Jones and RBN.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by The Irishman

We can’t wait around for a Weimar that may never come.

I don't think we have a choice. WN is so fundamentally at odds with the status quo that there is no way to make it attractive to people so long as they insist on staying aboard the sinking ship.

But make no mistake -- that ship is sinking, and I think it's going to go down faster than we expect. What we need to do is be prepared as best as we can for when that happens. I don't know about others, but I don't feel prepared at all.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by The Irishman

E.g., just think of all the money that White people have locked up in savings and investments sitting in multi-national banks - that the jews are using against us.

If you don't have anything else planned for the money, pull it out and convert it to gold and silver bullion, while the prices are still artificially low. This will hurt the system more than probably anything else you could do at this time.

If you do this, get the real stuff you can hold in your hand, not shares in a bullion vault or the like.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

Halfway measures and playing the game haven't worked for at least 50 years.

The last American conservative politician that was worthy of any respect was Joe McCarthy. Everyone since has been a sellout.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Mark

The more likely case is that if Buchanan is fired, his career ruined ... they'll just replace him with someone more like Hannity who won't say anything remotely pro-white or controversial.

That's exactly what Alex wants to see happen, if I've read him correctly. Once the controlled opposition (Buchanan) is gone, whites will have to seek their answers elsewhere (i.e., us).

I know where you're coming from, Mark; it's hard to conceive that a guy who wrote a quasi-revisionist book that's on the shelves of every major bookstore isn't helping our cause. But the point is, it's still only a quasi-revisionist book -- not the real thing. Another compromise in a long line of compromises that have continually led downhill.

We might consider why, if the mass media is (are?) as much in jewish hands as I think it is, Buchanan is even allowed airtime, or why his books are given major distribution (jewess Heather Reisman's Chapters-Indigo chain carries Buchanan's latest book, but refuses to sell Mein Kampf, along with any books that instruct people on how to build bombs). One would have to be naive to believe that a controlled opposition doesn't exist (as it did in the Soviet Union), and if it does exist, then Patrick Buchanan would have to be it.

I think Alex is right.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

As some wag put it, homosexuals have thoroughly penetrated the Conservatives.

That would explain why "conservative" jew Ezra Levant is linking to some guy from his blog who is a homosexual conservative who believes in "gay" marriage.

I have to say, if cohnservatives are going to start upholding the "right" of queers to get married, that might be very good for our cause.

[Rab4]

I don't agree. Buchanan, Taylor, CofCC help our cause. It's a start for those becoming racially aware. I had heard of the jew problem in some kkk or national socialist literature, but didn't understand what the big fuss was about. (Brainwashed jew trigger) I thought, so what? They own a few media companies, big deal! But when I saw the video on Marxism, it all made sense. Why? Because it began with information about the problem of political correctness, which many many people already acknowledge is a serious threat. This does not allow the 'anti-semitic' trigger to slam the door on any further important information about the disease of Marxism, a tool of the jew. Then, after the viewer has acknowledged this threat, they expose who orchestrated it. All the members of the Frankfurt School (save one) were jews. That made it clear to me who was orchestrating the disease of political correctness.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by The Irishman

But how can WN be considered a vision when it has no specifics on its economic worldview (even you wouldn’t argue Libertarianism cuts the mustard). Other popularly supported and successful programs such as I mentioned above contained fully half of their points on economic issues. At best that leaves us with only one boot. People can sense that there is still something vitally lacking with WN. A healthy (cooperative) economic strategy is that other boot.

I gave you the specific answer. Nigger welfare for Whites is no part of what I have in mind.

1) hard money
2) the dissolving of 99% of federal government

That's the right policy.

With no taxes or inflation, people can make their own arrangements, including choosing whichever money they want to use.

Again, not much specifics. How can we leave half of our program out to vague generalities? This is why we are in this mess to begin with; we lack specifics where it matters most with the people, not with us.

You mean the niggers with white skin who want something out of their neighbor's pocket? We have that now, why do we need to both with revolution?

There is another way to polarize: with practical economic specifics that are the nuts and bolts of a popular and viable WN alternative.

Why don't you say you have in mind or stop talking garbage. Money is a top-down thing. The feds put anyone who makes private money out of business.

We can’t wait around for a Weimar that may never come.

People who aren't miserable don't go in for revolution.

As Kievsky (I believe) says: just do it, don’t announce it. (Those who matter will hear only the details they need to hear.)

You're just talking airy garbage. People in Germany had their savings burned up by hyperinflation. We don't have that here. They had mass unemployment. We don't have that either.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Igor Alexander

That's exactly what Alex wants to see happen, if I've read him correctly. Once the controlled opposition (Buchanan) is gone, whites will have to seek their answers elsewhere (i.e., us).

I know where you're coming from, Mark; it's hard to conceive that a guy who wrote a quasi-revisionist book that's on the shelves of every major bookstore isn't helping our cause. But the point is, it's still only a quasi-revisionist book -- not the real thing. Another compromise in a long line of compromises that have continually led downhill.

We might consider why, if the mass media is (are?) as much in jewish hands as I think it is, Buchanan is even allowed airtime, or why his books are given major distribution (jewess Heather Reisman's Chapters-Indigo chain carries Buchanan's latest book, but refuses to sell Mein Kampf, along with any books that instruct people on how to build bombs). One would have to be naive to believe that a controlled opposition doesn't exist (as it did in the Soviet Union), and if it does exist, then Patrick Buchanan would have to be it.

I think Alex is right.

Of course I'm right. WN think people who overtly speak against them are their friends, just because they offer an argument or two that we do.

Philosophical and political consistency is seemingly beyond the capability of American WN. Unlike the Germans, Americans cannot study the situation, identify the correct response, and doggedly stick to the party line and carry out their particular mission. American WN simply aren't tough enough or smart enough to get the job done. They are, at heart, spectators who don't believe their side can win.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Rab4

I don't agree. Buchanan, Taylor, CofCC help our cause. It's a start for those becoming racially aware. I had heard of the jew problem in some kkk or national socialist literature, but didn't understand what the big fuss was about. (Brainwashed jew trigger) I thought, so what? They own a few media companies, big deal! But when I saw the video on Marxism, it all made sense. Why? Because it began with information about the problem of political correctness, which many many people already acknowledge is a serious threat. This does not allow the 'anti-semitic' trigger to slam the door on any further important information about the disease of Marxism, a tool of the jew. Then, after the viewer has acknowledged this threat, they expose who orchestrated it. All the members of the Frankfurt School (save one) were jews. That made it clear to me who was orchestrating the disease of political correctness.

I don't have a problem with those who take a subtle approach to things, as long as it leads people in the right direction (though my personal preference, increasingly, is for brute honesty). I think Craig Bodeker's documentary A Conversation About Race is a good example of that approach. The problem I have is with people who lie (either by omission or commission) or distort things.

When I started to sense that things weren't quite right, that they weren't quite as they appeared, the first "alternative" I stumbled across was the conspiracy subculture. First, Bill Cooper, and then years later on the Internet, David Icke. It seemed at first that I was getting the real scoop from these people, what the MSM (which by '99, after the bombing of Serbia, I had decided was run by liars with an agenda) wasn't telling me, but it didn't take long for me to become dissatisfied with this "alternative." I was seeing a lot of things that didn't fit their theories, like that supposedly "competing" TV networks and movie studios were pushing race-mixing and anti-White messages in an almost coordinated fashion. "Why would they do that?" I wondered. "Why would the media controllers want people to race-mix?" At that time, I was still thinking that the MSM was being controlled by "the shadow government" or "the super-rich elites" or something indistinct and impersonal like that.

Then one day a guy named Topaz posted the transcript of an ADV broadcast to usenet and by sheer chance, I happened to read it. It was about the movie The Fast and the Furious, and how it promoted race-mixing. When I got to the part about how it was "the Jews" that were behind such movies, however, I laughed, dismissed it as neo-Nazi propaganda, and deleted it. I didn't think about it again until a few months later, when I noticed another batch of movies and TV shows that promoted the same, and noticed the jewish names in the credits. I went through hell to find that transcript again, typing in keyword after keyword in a search engine, but find it I did. I read it again, and this time, instead of making me laugh, it made me feel physically ill, like I was going to puke. The reason it made me feel that way is because I now knew that what Pierce had written was true. I had just gone through a tectonic shift in my world-view.

What I'm wondering is, where would I be today if I hadn't by fluke come across that transcript, in which Pierce had told the unvarnished truth regardless of how unpleasant it was for me to hear? Would I still be chasing after some "shadow government," the Bilderbergers, or jew Chomsky's "neo-fascist" corporate world order?

This is my concern with guys like David Icke or Alex Jones. What if they're more like fly tape than stepping stones? And what if Pat Buchanan is no better than them?

[Brian Stone]

I'm inclined to agree with Alex on this, to a point.

I came to a similar conclusion several years ago when I read an article about farmers in Zimbabwe bragging about how they were "keeping ahead of Mugabe." They were full of crap of course. They might have been more clever than Mugabe and his band of simian goons, but Mugabe had the power and the time to close all the loop holes.

I wondered at the time why they couldn't see that they were doomed. Why they couldn't see that ultimately all their clever twisting and turning would accomplish them nothing. The conclusion I came to was that that white farmers of Zimbabwe were suffering from two primary mental problems: One they believed that Mugabe could be placated. Two they didn't really understand the basic reality, that it was a race war.

I think that white people in America, and the rest of the world really suffer from similar problems. They think that their enemies can be placated, and they don't realize that they are in a racial (really biological) war.

In that regard, we should understand the peril of people or groups that encourage whites to entertain false hopes a peaceful settlement

Having said that, I think Alex falls down in two major regards. One his almost hysterical tirades ill serve his own cause.

Two he fails to consider the utility of groups that can be used to recruit for WN.

I don't think PB is in that class, and I don't know enough about CoCC to make a judgment, but AmRen definitely is.

VNN isn't going to save white people. A hundred VNNs wouldn't save white people.

What we need are is what marketing types call a "marketing funnel." You encourage people to join a list by offering a free or very cheap product, then you qualify them and offer them increasingly, and more valuable, products.

Replace price with radicalism and you have what WN need. If there is anything WN need to read and study it isn't yet another screed by some obscure racist writer, it is marketing and sales books, many of which can be found on line.

Ever wonder why Morris Dees kicks our ass on such a regular basis? He got his start in DIRECT MAIL. He sold cook books via US Postal service. People who do that are some of the best marketers in the world. Learning direct marketing will do more for WN than all the forum postings in the world could ever dream.

You can bet right now that some SPLC or ADL operative reading this is hoping that this never happens.

We need to learn to communicate with people. Learning to convince people to give you money is a skill that will directly translate into convincing people about your political goals.

Our goal should be to create an infrastructure. At the center would be VNN and like minded sites/organizations, at the outer edges would be feeder organizations like AmRen. We don't have the resources to create those sites yet, but happily they already exist.

I know what Alex will say at this point, that those outer edges would distract from the center, but that is the wrong way to think about it (this is called "scarcity thinking"). Just as it is wrong to think that selling someone a $15 cookbook will keep them from later buying the deluxe Chef Tell Cooking Course with signed certificate of completion for $1500.

People will buy what they feel comfortable buying, but they wont buy the more expensive products until you sell them the less expensive products because they wont know about them and they wont have a relationship that endgenders trust.

In the realm of radical politics many people, maybe not all but many, will need to have their ideas validated for a while, before they are comfortable moving down the White Nationalist marketing funnel.

Here's what VNN should do:

Stop wasting time and money on print publications. Take those resources and produce a high quality ebook that SELLS white nationalism. Get an autoresponder and set up a page that you can drive traffic to. Use that to post a sales letter that encourages people to opt in for the free ebook. This will get people into regular contact with VNN through the autoresponder sequence that you will set up (at least one message per week)

So where do you get people for the list? Well this is where groups like AmRen come in. You see, in marketing terms, they are already pre-qualified to a certain degree. Rent their mailing lists and send those people offers for a FREE book (give your autoresponder email)

Continue to build a list and create content for it (like videos)

This is a rudimentary marketing plan that is followed by all successful marketers.

The thing that kills me is that VNN has already created TONS of content that can be easily repackaged and promoted. The hardest thing online marketers have to do is create content. For VNN this is a done deal.

The problem is that WN want some sort of White Knight to ride and save them or some sort of impersonal force (like the SHTF scenario) to do the job for them.

Alex's notion of knocking off the false opposition, represented by the conservatives, isn't as passive aggressive as those pining for one of the above type options, but it is still not proactive enough.

If I have learned anything in my life it is this: Never depend on others for your success. This is what too many WN are sitting around hoping for even as they revile most of society. In further irony, I find Alex's proposal to be both too confrontational in some respects, and yet not aggressive enough in others.

We need to take our "market," not sit around waiting for someone to give it to us. Neither should we wait futilely for repentant white people to show up at our doors one day, admit that we were right all along and demand to be led to the promised land.

We need to have the aggressiveness to go after what we want, and the equanimity not to drive them away.

But in the end, if WN want to win, we need to go after our "market," not sit around whining that it wont come to us.

Brian

[Anne]

Originally Posted by Sean Gruber

Listen to your elders, kids. We were played the same way you are now being played. Wake up and curb kick all the Patsies - leaving WN standing alone as the only alternative.

Being alone as the only alternative is not comforting. The reason I liked Buchanan's books was because they made me feel relieved that I wasn't some sort of cranky misfit--"Hey, here's a mainstream guy expressing how I feel about immigration and the decline of the West".
(Women don't like to feel alienated and against the community consensus, so Buchanan gave me solace.)
I'll give my copies of his books to a few female friends!

[Alex Linder]

What I'm wondering is, where would I be today if I hadn't by fluke come across that transcript, in which Pierce had told the unvarnished truth regardless of how unpleasant it was for me to hear? Would I still be chasing after some "shadow government," the Bilderbergers, or jew Chomsky's "neo-fascist" corporate world order?

Good post.

The biggest lie in the world is that people have to be led to our cause step by step, that it's just too difficult to "get" the jews and what they're doing. It isn't. People, until the Internet, and still after it to large degree, always come to WN after something else because WN is not available over the public airwaves or on the newstand. So it is never the first explanation one comes across, but usually the last - because, as you point out, the truth can't be denied. Once you've read Pierce, there is no next stop.

It is purely stupidity and weakness that keeps WN making excuses for the conservatives and the rest of the professional game players, cock-teasers and right-profiteers. You are never going to get the politics want by means of Buchanans. Supporting Buchanans by making excuses for them muddies the water so that ordinary people, newcomers, can't see the forces at battle for what they are, and instead think the right-wingers they see in public are fighting the good fight. They're not. They're part of the problem.

But average WN don't get it. They keep right on praising their enemy, buying his books, encouraging others to listen to him. Then they wonder why they never get anywhere. Pat Buchanan took a nigger running mate. He did not support Duke, and advised the Republicans how to undermine him. He pointedly said and says that he is not one of us. Yet these WN know that he really is. And how nasty anyone is who criticizes him. WN are too stupid to take their own side in an argument, and then they wonder why they get anywhere.

Igor is the only one who even grasps my argument, let alone responds to it.

Buchanan is our enemy. We should not even merely ignore him, we should attack him. The better to differentiate ourselves and drive his failschool out of the market.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Anne

Being alone as the only alternative is not comforting. The reason I liked Buchanan's books was because they made me feel relieved that I wasn't some sort of cranky misfit--"Hey, here's a mainstream guy expressing how I feel about immigration and the decline of the West".
(Women don't like to feel alienated and against the community consensus, so Buchanan gave me solace.)
I'll give my copies of his books to a few female friends!

Being alone will attract millions of people.

People HATE leftism. All normal whites - those who aren't queer, miscegenating or kooks or zombies - will side with us against the leftist-jews if it comes down to it. As long as the right exists, which seems to support white normalcy altho it actually does not, being coopted and cowed, we will remain a tiny minority.

We have to show the white public that only men who put their race first, operate under their own names, dare to criticize the jewish power structure, and declare jews Normal White America's #1 enemy are serious and deserve support. Otherwise they'll just be bought off by conservative lies. And we have these stupid cunts like Starr and others who want to go on acting like the idiot Buchanans, the professional jerkers-off of the white middle class, are on our side. They are not on our side, they are on the side of the System that feeds them.

[Anne]

The radicals throughout history do all the hard work and rarely get rewarded . (Eventually they are shown to have been right, since their ideas do become accepted by the wider community).
Most people need to receive a concrete return on their efforts and struggles.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

the professional jerkers-off of the white middle class, are on our side. They are not on our side, they are on the side of the System that feeds them.

Courage is rare these days.

BTW, what about the jews who claim to be WN? Are they cynical profiteers? They seem to think they're White and can be assimilated.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Being alone will attract millions of people.

People HATE leftism. All normal whites - those who aren't queer, miscegenating or kooks or zombies - will side with us against the leftist-jews if it comes down to it. As long as the right exists, which seems to support white normalcy altho it actually does not, being coopted and cowed, we will remain a tiny minority.

There's a sign that you're definitely NOT a conservative--you are actually optimistic about Whites and the future! Most conservatives are life-sucking cultural pessimists. Actually believing you can win is a first and necessary step in the right direction, I think.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Brian Stone

So where do you get people for the list? Well this is where groups like AmRen come in. You see, in marketing terms, they are already pre-qualified to a certain degree. Rent their mailing lists and send those people offers for a FREE book (give your autoresponder email)

What makes you think Amren would want to rent VNN their list? As I recall, they already rejected an ad for The Line in the Sand, probably (IMO) because the documentary featured an interview with Alex and also possibly because of Kevin MacDonald (who they seem uncomfortable with, even though they have occasionally given him some exposure in their magazine).

I could live with Amren not dealing directly with the JQ, but what bothers me is that they censor the comments on their site whenever those comments address the JQ without using euphemisms for jews like "social engineers" or "cultural Marxists."

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Anne

Courage is rare these days.

BTW, what about the jews who claim to be WN? Are they cynical profiteers? They seem to think they're White and can be assimilated.

The jews claiming to be WN are trying to fool whites. When one charade starts to fail (Republican party), the jews set up another...dozen.

[Rounder]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Being alone will attract millions of people.

People HATE leftism. All normal whites - those who aren't queer, miscegenating or kooks or zombies - will side with us against the leftist-jews if it comes down to it. As long as the right exists, which seems to support white normalcy altho it actually does not, being coopted and cowed, we will remain a tiny minority.

We have to show the white public that only men who put their race first, operate under their own names, dare to criticize the jewish power structure, and declare jews Normal White America's #1 enemy are serious and deserve support. Otherwise they'll just be bought off by conservative lies. And we have these stupid cunts like Starr and others who want to go on acting like the idiot Buchanans, the professional jerkers-off of the white middle class, are on our side. They are not on our side, they are on the side of the System that feeds them.

Some say she's stupid. Some say she's misguided. Me ?? I've been saying for over 4 years, she's a clever crypto jew. Why ?? Because nobody who's spent as much time as she has on WN forums could be as stupid/misguided as her words indicate. And because she's defended the GD jews on every "jew versus muslim" thread she's posted on.

Impossible to prove, of course. That's why I recommended VNNF adopt a policy of reasonable doubt. When moderators judge reasonable doubt, their boots should follow up. Chunk subversive asses out permanently, is what I say.