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Old August 25th, 2013 #1
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Have you undergone a fundamental change in your life? Like a religious conversion, a basic epiphany leading to fundamental reorientation? Even a physical change, as from eating completely differently? Or just plain thinking differently? Or are you basically the same person the whole way through, albeit deeper as you've gained experience through the years.

I'm the latter. I'm just wondering how many people would describe themselves as having undergone some kind of fundamental change, basically defined as a reversal (more than 90 degree turn) in eating, thinking, believing - anything.

I'm interested in any commentary on this question, too.

I can honestly say, I have been the same person my entire life. Eat the same, think the same, same personality. There's no right or wrong, just an interesting question, at least to me.

I'm not judging here, I'm just trying to see how many of you have had some kind of at least semi-serious conversion experience in your life?

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Old August 25th, 2013 #2
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I'd say the epiphanies or conversion experiences are more like a series of dams that burst, freeing the real me!


(Funny cover shown to illustrate point. This use does not imply a relationship with David Icke, who is nuts, or a con artist, or both.)
 
Old August 25th, 2013 #3
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That is a very good question. Over the past few years, I have undergone a significant philosophical change.

At one point, I used to worry a lot about things. Now, I have trained myself to visualize the worst things that can possibly happen and just accepting it and at being at peace with it. That way something will naturally go wrong at some point, but since you already assumed it would be 10X or 100x worse and you are at peace with that, the little bumps and challenges you face in life are nothing and roll right off your shoulders.

The other major philosophical change was understanding ourselves as wild animals by nature.

If you're an animal out in the wild, you are constantly being challenged and pushed to your limits and constantly struggling to stay alive. You don't stop until you are dead. As people, you are best off if you are constantly challenging yourself and improving your knowledge base and skill sets, constantly setting goals, developing an intelligent game plan and achieving them.

If you become stagnant at some point in life, things will go down. Not just financially and socially, but physically as well. That's when the bad but common maladies you see everywhere set in - depression, anxiety, obesity, heart disease, diabetes and countless other disorders and diseases.

The third thing is I trained myself to be a relentless optimist and to deplore negativity in all its forms. If you all the sudden become this hard worker in everything you do, constantly pushing to your mental or physical limits, it won't produce sustained results if you start thinking like a whiner. Visualize the whiner as an evil demonic jew and imagine taking a sword and removing that offensive, lizard-like head while green reptilian blood spills everywhere.

Relentless and sustained optimism gives you the ability to achieved sustained successes in life.
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Alex you are asking a question to bring out the narcissist in us and give us an opportunity to talk about ourselves lol.

I have done a complete change in my life. I was very pressured growing up to try to 'make something of myself' and be 'successful,' and just wanted to be a career girl and go to university. But after meeting and falling in love with a man, and moving in with him when I was 19 years old, I changed my mind to want to do nothing but have lots of children and focus on making a nice family.
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Same all my life as well.
 
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I'd say the epiphanies or conversion experiences are more like a series of dams that burst, freeing the real me!


(Funny cover shown to illustrate point. This use does not imply a relationship with David Icke, who is nuts, or a con artist, or both.)
 
Old August 25th, 2013 #7
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Alex you are asking a question to bring out the narcissist in us and give us an opportunity to talk about ourselves lol.

I have done a complete change in my life. I was very pressured growing up to try to 'make something of myself' and be 'successful,' and just wanted to be a career girl and go to university. But after meeting and falling in love with a man, and moving in with him when I was 19 years old, I changed my mind to want to do nothing but have lots of children and focus on making a nice family.
Not at all. I'm honestly interested, although for selfish, curious reasons. I think. Things occur to me. I don't have answers. I don't know where to find answers - or find them quickly. I have a forum with a variety of people. Why not ask them?
 
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That is a very good question. Over the past few years, I have undergone a significant philosophical change.

At one point, I used to worry a lot about things. Now, I have trained myself to visualize the worst things that can possibly happen and just accepting it and at being at peace with it. That way something will naturally go wrong at some point, but since you already assumed it would be 10X or 100x worse and you are at peace with that, the little bumps and challenges you face in life are nothing and roll right off your shoulders.

The other major philosophical change was understanding ourselves as wild animals by nature.

If you're an animal out in the wild, you are constantly being challenged and pushed to your limits and constantly struggling to stay alive. You don't stop until you are dead. As people, you are best off if you are constantly challenging yourself and improving your knowledge base and skill sets, constantly setting goals, developing an intelligent game plan and achieving them.

If you become stagnant at some point in life, things will go down. Not just financially and socially, but physically as well. That's when the bad but common maladies you see everywhere set in - depression, anxiety, obesity, heart disease, diabetes and countless other disorders and diseases.

The third thing is I trained myself to be a relentless optimist and to deplore negativity in all its forms. If you all the sudden become this hard worker in everything you do, constantly pushing to your mental or physical limits, it won't produce sustained results if you start thinking like a whiner. Visualize the whiner as an evil demonic jew and imagine taking a sword and removing that offensive, lizard-like head while green reptilian blood spills everywhere.

Relentless and sustained optimism gives you the ability to achieved sustained successes in life.
Very good post, very interesting. Thanks!
 
Old August 25th, 2013 #9
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Alex you are asking a question to bring out the narcissist in us and give us an opportunity to talk about ourselves lol.

I have done a complete change in my life. I was very pressured growing up to try to 'make something of myself' and be 'successful,' and just wanted to be a career girl and go to university. But after meeting and falling in love with a man, and moving in with him when I was 19 years old, I changed my mind to want to do nothing but have lots of children and focus on making a nice family.
That's very interesting. Did you think you did NOT want children before meeting him? What specifically changed your mind, just his greatness, which produced an extremely strong longing to be with him as top priority? Do you think most women are like you?
 
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The closest I had to a big change was...

...as a child I had pretty bad breathing problems pretty frequently. Not genuine asthma, but in effect the same thing. It came to a head when I was in eight grade, and I just got into a couple-month period where it just would not go away. I did not have an inhaler, for whatever reason. They might not even have existed back then. Every Friday we would run a mile, and I remember just dreading that. I would be puking or very near every time. I was a good athlete, it is purely that I couldn't breathe that well.

This was the worst struggle of my life at that time, and then somehow, I finally broke through, and the shit quit. It was like unto coming out of the wintery Wyoming I-80 hellscape into Nebraska where the ice finally recedes off the road. And I never had breathing problems again, except maybe once every ten years.

Intellectually, my climacteric was seeing my editor's reaction to a piece I wrote mocking the term 'of color,' followed, also in my early 20s, by reading 'The Ordeal of Civility,' which was the equivalent of shocking the gooseflesh into someone by saying: you know all those little signs you've been noticing your whole life? Here's what they mean! John Murray Cuddihy was the professor mentor I never had.

But none of these were genuine revolutions or fundamental changes, they were more like quickenings.

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Old August 25th, 2013 #11
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Strange question, but I've thought of this before. I'm 68 and strangely I have a pretty good memory going back to late age three. Of course there are the obvious new experiences...new this, new that. Oddly though, on any real deep level I don't think there has been one real change in attitude or beliefs, aside from some of the tricks adults play on you (Santa Claus and the like) and I don't think I really bought into those, at least not by age three.

Hard to believe but I don't think my attitudes, or intellect, or personality, or morals have changed one bit since I was three. Maybe a few opinions, just based on obvious new facts, but on the solid stuff...not a change, not one iota.

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Old August 25th, 2013 #12
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Like a religious conversion
In reverse.

Until I was 16, I was a sincere and dedicated member of the Calvinist sect I grew up a part of.

(And I don't believe that adolescents are incapable of being sincere and dedicated members of things, just that they lack experience.)

But maybe even before then, I was beginning to have intellectual doubts, which didn't really come into full focus.

Around when I was 16 or so, though, I had a terrifying waking, lucid dream - being surrounded by darkness, in all directions, and having no idea of who or what I was, no sense of scale, no sense of identity ...

And I knew what I was experiencing was what happens, what is experienced, after death (as much as a living person can experience such things) - nothing, nothingness. There is no life after death. You die, and that's it, that's all.

It sounds weak, written down, and it's hard to do it justice in words, but it was one of the most profoundly life-changing experiences of my life. Life-changing, as in, it sent me in a completely different direction.

So yeah, I say it was like a religious conversion in reverse because I didn't 'see the Light' - I saw the Darkness - and that's when I first realised that this life is all the life anyone ever gets - there's no 'afterlife', no Heaven, no 'God' who will 'save your soul' - this is all that anyone ever gets, so we'd all better make the best of it that we can.

And that's where the important of race, and the preservation of one's race, comes in - but that happened a few year later, although I was brought up with some of those ideas and so, I had to properly assess them for myself once I was free of the religious upbringing I had. I had to assess the intellectual and emotional validity of those ideas, removed of the religious nonsense veneer they'd been presented to me with as a young 'un.

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Old August 25th, 2013 #13
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That's very interesting. Did you think you did NOT want children before meeting him? What specifically changed your mind, just his greatness, which produced an extremely strong longing to be with him as top priority? Do you think most women are like you?
I believe it was destiny or fate but that's just my romanticism coming out

And I also had a big change in going from being a normal girl to being a racialist, as after I quit university I only worked for about ~15 hours a week and I spent much of my free time reading the words of our people's greatest men (Hitler and Ludovici mainly, a little bit from Mussolini and Julius Evola). Although it was my husband (then just boyfriend) who initially got me interested in racialism, my views also came largely from these great men of our past because those books were on his shelves and I got bored at home after I had a falling out with my main group of friends. In all honesty, I initially tried to show interest in these sorts of views as a way to impress him, make him think I'm smart and that we have things in common, and a way to get him to pay more attention to me. But then I became consumed by the worlds in these books, as well as works of mythology, epic heroic legends, old folk tales, and the like. We didn't have much money (still don't, lol) so I quickly lost interest in material things like fancy clothes and such, because there was no point in spending so much energy lusting after things I could not have. And I had no friends anymore, and didn't have any children yet, and I had nothing to do besides light housework and cooking for two people, which isn't much.

Before meeting him I did not think much about whether I would like to have children or not, I was a bit reluctant to, to be honest, for vanity reasons due to stretch marks and such. But that kind of stuff doesn't matter to me anymore. I care more about having children and creating a beautiful family than I do about having a flawless stomach.

I do not believe I am unique. I believe most women are like me and would undergo transformations inspired by love. But I was also very young, and people are more malleable and impressionable when they are young. I was 16 when I first met my husband, and 'knew' him for 3 years (he was not exclusive to me, but I loved him) before he invited me to move in with him when I was 19. He is slightly older than I. I'm not sure if I would have been able to undergo such a significant change in my world-view if this didn't happen until age 25 or 30.
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This was the worst struggle of my life at that time, and then somehow, I finally broke through, and the shit quit.
The struggles we have with ourselves are, often, more profound than the ones we have with others.

And when we 'win' those struggles, well, the effects on ourselves are massive - even if they're outwardly quite small victories. They give us strength and confidence in ourselves.

Do you see a link between that event in your life, and the confidence you gained after then?
 
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I believe it was destiny or fate but that's just my romanticism coming out

And I also had a big change in going from being a normal girl to being a racialist, as after I quit university I only worked for about ~15 hours a week and I spent much of my free time reading the words of our people's greatest men (Hitler and Ludovici mainly, a little bit from Mussolini and Julius Evola). Although it was my husband (then just boyfriend) who initially got me interested in racialism, my views also came largely from these great men of our past because those books were on his shelves and I got bored at home after I had a falling out with my main group of friends. In all honesty, I initially tried to show interest in these sorts of views as a way to impress him, make him think I'm smart and that we have things in common, and a way to get him to pay more attention to me. But then I became consumed by the worlds in these books, as well as works of mythology, epic heroic legends, old folk tales, and the like. We didn't have much money (still don't, lol) so I quickly lost interest in material things like fancy clothes and such, because there was no point in spending so much energy lusting after things I could not have. And I had no friends anymore, and didn't have any children yet, and I had nothing to do besides light housework and cooking for two people, which isn't much.

Before meeting him I did not think much about whether I would like to have children or not, I was a bit reluctant to, to be honest, for vanity reasons due to stretch marks and such. But that kind of stuff doesn't matter to me anymore. I care more about having children and creating a beautiful family than I do about having a flawless stomach.

I do not believe I am unique. I believe most women are like me and would undergo transformations inspired by love. But I was also very young, and people are more malleable and impressionable when they are young. I was 16 when I first met my husband, and 'knew' him for 3 years (he was not exclusive to me, but I loved him) before he invited me to move in with him when I was 19. He is slightly older than I. I'm not sure if I would have been able to undergo such a significant change in my world-view if this didn't happen until age 25 or 30.
OK...that makes sense.

Would you say most women would have a love-transformation like you did (not in the particulars, just in the general), but probably only once? Or could they do it more than once, assuming the first one didn't work out?
 
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The female love thing seems like 'imprinting' ducks and other species do. There's a period where women are incredibly radiant, their nubile period, and it's not just physical, its mental and character and the whole thing. But it's a one-shot deal. A few years in youth. After that, it's sadder but wiser. Still fine, but calculated rather than new and transcendent.

I'm theorizing, I don't know for sure, just based on some observations.
 
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OK...that makes sense.

Would you say most women would have a love-transformation like you did (not in the particulars, just in the general), but probably only once? Or could they do it more than once, assuming the first one didn't work out?
Probably only once in my opinion.
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The struggles we have with ourselves are, often, more profound than the ones we have with others.
Yes. Especially the more thoughtful one is.

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Do you see a link between that event in your life, and the confidence you gained after then?
No, because it wasn't a confidence problem, it was purely a physical problem. Purely. But I was raised a Christian Scientist, though I never for one moment believed any of its doctrines, even when I first went to Sunday School at 4 or 5. So in lieu of an inhaler, I was given to read this famous section of Science & Health, by CS founder Mary Baker Glover Patterson Eddy (more or less, but more more):



There's a lot more, but that's the heart of it.

Can you imagine the effect on someone like me of this kind of gibberish - this kind of INSULTING gibberish? Like, I can't breathe because I'm thinking bad thoughts? I can't breathe because I'm not realizing I'm a perfect reflection of God. WTF kind of crap is that. I WILL rewrite my lost short scene, Sunny Rae Baker and the Bad Meat, in which I show, using a domestic scene, the rotten heard of liberalism the mindset.

This is what I mean when I say things produce their opposite. My parent's New England WASP ethereal moralizing religion drove me so hard and fast in the opposite direction, ie realityward, that, among other things, this forum exists. I mean, I was born a realitarian, but this rebarred it into something that would have survived a WTC basement bombing.

The world is a very strange place, if you pay attention. Very, very weird.

I don't accept guilt unless I'm guilty. There's nothing easier to suffer than someone else's pain, and it's almost fun if you can blame it on their mind rather than some objective cause with an objective solution.

Years later this fat chick I was fucking, who truly loved me, altho I callously treated her as disposable, gave me an inhaler. I had a breathing problem - ONE fucking slurp off that thing, problem gone. That simple. I suffered my whole friggin' childhood for something that could have been turned off like a light switch.

SO, my basic orientation, and I was born this way, like that gaga she-faggot, is realitarian.

No one says in front of me without getting punched in the snout that reality doesn't exist, it's just a product of our thoughts. That goes for Arthur Schopenhauer to Zig Ziglar to any of the race-denying faggots we fight daily.
 
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Probably only once in my opinion.
Well hell you're too young. I should ask someone who's 40 and not happily first-married.
 
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I was very pressured growing up to try to 'make something of myself' and be 'successful,'
Well, you did make something of yourself, and you are successful. So it wasn't such a big change after all.

(In all seriousness, though, I see what you mean here.)
 
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