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Old January 26th, 2014 #21
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A bit of both. Traditional hatred for orthodox Russia in the catholic west of the country, especially around the Lviv area (which is almost 60% catholic), is being cleverly exploited by the jews as they cleverly steer these so called nationalists towards the globalist side.

Vatican also has a long history of anti Russian activity in Ukraine, as they do in Poland, making it easy for the jews to rile the rubes up. It works all the time.
So the role from the church,one or the other way,is pro demonstrators\pro EU.

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Old January 27th, 2014 #22
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So the role from the church,one or the other way,is pro demonstrators\pro EU.

Well it depends on which church one is talking about as it is all very messy and political. There are actually three Orthodox churches in Ukraine, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate and Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. Out of the three only the last one has its canonical status officially recognised in the Orthodox world, the others not because they are viewed as separatist and political with their members priests and patriarchs having been excommunicated by the Russian Orthodox Church. It should also be noted that Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) still has most numerous membership.

Then you also have the Eastern Rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church which is in communion with the Vatican and recognizes the pope as head of the church. You also have the Latin Rite Catholics, so as you can see it is quite diverse when it comes to religion, which then also translates into politics/nationalism with all not in favour of the UOC Moscow patriarchate usually behind any form of separatist and anti Russian activity. These people are also the bulk of the pro EU people you see today in the Ukraine.

There is quite a similar situation in Serbia with certain pro EU separatists (some of them even atheists) trying to seize all property and even long rich history of Serbian Orthodox Church in Montenegro in order to establish a new so called 'Montenegrin Orthodox church', which of course will never be recognized by anyone apart from maybe other unrecognized 'churches'. Macedonian Orthodox 'church' is similar, and there have also been failed attempts in the past to create a 'Croatian Orthodox church' during WW2. All this stuff has nothing to do with real religion and all to do with politics.

So as you can see it is easy for jews to manipulate and exploit such fractured peoples with their various religious factions, narrow hatreds and regional/religious/national chauvinisms.
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Old January 27th, 2014 #23
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As we are on the religious theme a fresh example of how ZOG propaganda works. It doesn't get more tasteless than the Canadian police state talking about freedom.

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Ukraine’s crackdown singling out Catholics, Canada’s religious-freedom envoy says

OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

Published Sunday, Jan. 26 2014, 3:45 PM EST

Last updated Sunday, Jan. 26 2014, 9:40 PM EST





Canada’s ambassador for religious freedom is warning that the Ukrainian government is persecuting a particular group of Catholics as the political crises grows in the European country.

Ambassador Andrew Bennett, who visited Kiev Saturday and Sunday, said he’s also upset that new laws placing limits on civil rights will disallow churches from joining protests against the government in Ukraine’s capital city.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle16505687/
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Old January 28th, 2014 #24
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Thank you Serbian for the info,i didn't know that it was so divided in the Ukraine.For me religion is all the same,see to much shit from it.When i talk with people from East-Europe the say to me that the Orthodox religion in their country is different than "christianity",(read jews supported) in the west.Also i don't believe that,i heard that Orthodox have much to do with ultra nationalism.But when nationalists do act they have something to say about it,last in Greece the Orthodox church have someting to complain that GD give only food supply for Greeks.In Serbia the have a day for the army (photo1) , the church give blessing for the battle (photo2) but when they take General Mladic,Orthodoxs monks try to stop the nationalists to fight the police (photo3).

Sorry for a little off topic.

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Old January 31st, 2014 #25
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Ukraine and the Rebirth of Fascism in Europe

By Eric Draitser

Global Research, January 31, 2014
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The violence on the streets of Ukraine is far more than an expression of popular anger against a government. Instead, it is merely the latest example of the rise of the most insidious form of fascism that Europe has seen since the fall of the Third Reich.

Recent months have seen regular protests by the Ukrainian political opposition and its supporters – protests ostensibly in response to Ukrainian President Yanukovich’s refusal to sign a trade agreement with the European Union that was seen by many political observers as the first step towards European integration. The protests remained largely peaceful until January 17th when protesters armed with clubs, helmets, and improvised bombs unleashed brutal violence on the police, storming government buildings, beating anyone suspected of pro-government sympathies, and generally wreaking havoc on the streets of Kiev. But who are these violent extremists and what is their ideology?



The political formation is known as “Pravy Sektor” (Right Sector), which is essentially an umbrella organization for a number of ultra-nationalist (read fascist) right wing groups including supporters of the “Svoboda” (Freedom) Party, “Patriots of Ukraine”, “Ukrainian National Assembly – Ukrainian National Self Defense” (UNA-UNSO), and “Trizub”. All of these organizations share a common ideology that is vehemently anti-Russian, anti-immigrant, and anti-Jewish among other things. In addition they share a common reverence for the so called “Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists” led by Stepan Bandera, the infamous Nazi collaborators who actively fought against the Soviet Union and engaged in some of the worst atrocities committed by any side in World War II.

While Ukrainian political forces, opposition and government, continue to negotiate, a very different battle is being waged in the streets. Using intimidation and brute force more typical of Hitler’s “Brownshirts” or Mussolini’s “Blackshirts” than a contemporary political movement, these groups have managed to turn a conflict over economic policy and the political allegiances of the country into an existential struggle for the very survival of the nation that these so called “nationalists” claim to love so dearly. The images of Kiev burning, Lviv streets filled with thugs, and other chilling examples of the chaos in the country, illustrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the political negotiation with the Maidan (Kiev’s central square and center of the protests) opposition is now no longer the central issue. Rather, it is the question of Ukrainian fascism and whether it is to be supported or rejected.

For its part, the United States has strongly come down on the side of the opposition, regardless of its political character. In early December, members of the US ruling establishment such as John McCain and Victoria Nuland were seen at Maidan lending their support to the protesters. However, as the character of the opposition has become apparent in recent days, the US and Western ruling class and its media machine have done little to condemn the fascist upsurge. Instead, their representatives have met with representatives of Right Sector and deemed them to be “no threat.” In other words, the US and its allies have given their tacit approval for the continuation and proliferation of the violence in the name of their ultimate goal: regime change.

In an attempt to pry Ukraine out of the Russian sphere of influence, the US-EU-NATO alliance has, not for the first time, allied itself with fascists. Of course, for decades, millions in Latin America were disappeared or murdered by fascist paramilitary forces armed and supported by the United States. The mujahideen of Afghanistan, which later transmogrified into Al Qaeda, also extreme ideological reactionaries, were created and financed by the United States for the purposes of destabilizing Russia. And of course, there is the painful reality of Libya and, most recently Syria, where the United States and its allies finance and support extremist jihadis against a government that has refused to align with the US and Israel. There is a disturbing pattern here that has never been lost on keen political observers: the United States always makes common cause with right wing extremists and fascists for geopolitical gain.

The situation in Ukraine is deeply troubling because it represents a political conflagration that could very easily tear the country apart less than 25 years after it gained independence from the Soviet Union. However, there is another equally disturbing aspect to the rise of fascism in that country – it is not alone.

The Fascist Menace Across the Continent

Ukraine and the rise of right wing extremism there cannot be seen, let alone understood, in isolation. Rather, it must be examined as part of a growing trend throughout Europe (and indeed the world) – a trend which threatens the very foundations of democracy.

In Greece, savage austerity imposed by the troika (IMF, ECB, and European Commission) has crippled the country’s economy, leading to a depression as bad, if not worse, than the Great Depression in the United States. It is against this backdrop of economic collapse that the Golden Dawn party has grown to become the third most popular political party in the country. Espousing an ideology of hate, the Golden Dawn – in effect a Nazi party that promotes anti-Jewish, anti-immigrant, anti-women chauvinism first time i've seen GD called "anti-women" – is a political force that the government in Athens has understood to be a serious threat to the very fabric of society. It is this threat which led the government to arrest the party’s leadership after a Golden Dawn Nazi fatally stabbed an anti-fascist rapper. Athens has launched an investigation into the party, though the results of this investigation and trial remain somewhat unclear.

What makes Golden Dawn such an insidious threat is the fact that, despite their central ideology of Nazism, their anti-EU, anti-austerity rhetoric appeals to many in the economically devastated Greece. As with many fascist movements in the 20th Century, Golden Dawn scapegoats immigrants, Muslim and African primarily, for many of the problems facing Greeks. Especially the crimes they commit, starting with entering Greece illegally, and proceeding from there to rape, murder, permitless vending, etc etc. Darks are held responsible for their behavior, in other words. In the junk media, where reality is shown the door, scapegoated one might say, this is always termed 'scapegoating.' In dire economic circumstances, such irrational hate becomes appealing; an answer to the question of how to solve society’s problems. How does one deal with someone so dim he can't see the anger is legitimate, or so dishonest he refuses to admit this? This is the position of white men in every country with mass media controlled by jews. The only conclusion I can come to is 1) jews must not be allowed to own any media in white nations; which is on the road to 2) jews not allowed to live in any white nation. Indeed, despite Golden Dawn’s leaders being jailed, other party members are still in parliament, still running for major offices including mayor of Athens. Though an electoral victory is unlikely, another strong showing at the polls will make the eradication of fascism in Greece that much harder.

Were this phenomenon confined to Greece and Ukraine, it would not constitute a continental trend. Sadly however, we see the rise of similar, albeit slightly less overtly fascist, political parties all over Europe. In Spain, the ruling pro-austerity People’s Party has moved to establish draconian laws restricting protest and free speech, and empowering and sanctioning repressive police tactics. In France, the National Front Party of Marine Le Pen, which vehemently scapegoats Muslim and African immigrants, won nearly twenty percent of the vote in the first round of presidential elections. Similarly, the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands – which promotes anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant policies – has grown to be the third largest in parliament. Throughout Scandinavia, ultra nationalist parties which once toiled in complete irrelevance and obscurity are now significant players in elections. These trends are worrying to say the least. The usual lumping together of things that don't have as much in common as the leftist pretends. To leftists, if you're not a communist, you're a nazi.

It should be noted too that, beyond Europe, there are a number of quasi-fascist political formations which are, in one way or another, supported by the United States. The right wing coups that overthrew the governments of Paraguay and Honduras were tacitly and/or overtly supported by Washington in their seemingly endless quest to suppress the Left in Latin America. Of course, one should also remember that the protest movement in Russia was spearheaded by Alexei Navalny and his nationalist followers who espouse a virulently anti-Muslim, racist ideology that views immigrants from the Russian Caucasus and former Soviet republics as beneath “European Russians”. These and other examples begin to paint a very ugly portrait of a US foreign policy that attempts to use economic hardship and political upheaval to extend US hegemony around the world.

In Ukraine, the “Right Sector” has taken the fight from the negotiating table to the streets in an attempt to fulfill the dream of Stepan Bandera – a Ukraine free of Russia, Jews, and all other “undesirables” as they see it. Buoyed by the continued support from the US and Europe, these fanatics represent a more serious threat to democracy than Yanukovich and the pro-Russian government ever could. If Europe and the United States don’t recognize this threat in its infancy, by the time they finally do, it might just be too late.

Eric Draitser is the founder of StopImperialism.com. He is an independent geopolitical analyst based in New York City. You can reach him at [email protected].

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Ukraine and the Rebirth of Fascism in Europe

By Eric Draitser

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In an attempt to pry Ukraine out of the Russian sphere of influence, the US-EU-NATO alliance has, not for the first time, allied itself with fascists.
An interesting article. It appears the road to Moscow passes through Kiev, just like the road to Tehran passes through Bagdad.
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In an attempt to pry Ukraine out of the Russian sphere of influence, the US-EU-NATO alliance has, not for the first time, allied itself with fascists. Of course, for decades, millions in Latin America were disappeared or murdered by fascist paramilitary forces armed and supported by the United States. The mujahideen of Afghanistan, which later transmogrified into Al Qaeda, also extreme ideological reactionaries, were created and financed by the United States for the purposes of destabilizing Russia. And of course, there is the painful reality of Libya and, most recently Syria, where the United States and its allies finance and support extremist jihadis against a government that has refused to align with the US and Israel. There is a disturbing pattern here that has never been lost on keen political observers: the United States always makes common cause with right wing extremists and fascists for geopolitical gain.


You can also add 1990s former Yugoslavia to the list as another case where anti nationalist all inclusive multiculturalists who wanted peaceful coexistance in Yugoslavian state were targeted while violent secessionists and extremists of all stripes, as long as they weren't Serbian, were supported.

ZOG is just temporarily using the national-chauvinists's muscle to do the necessary 'street work' while jews like Yatseniuk get ready to seize power and steer the country towards an even worse prison (EU).


Ukrainian opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk pushes for support

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/artic...pushes-support




Jew Arseniy Yatsenyuk and national-chauvinist Oleh Tyahnybok


In the end I foresee a breakup of Ukraine, with the eastern part joinig Russia.
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Old February 1st, 2014 #28
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I realize that when many American WNs see the word 'Nationalism' they jump for joy, but in some cases they need to be cautious and investigate the subject matter, and its geopolitical implications, a little deeper before cheering on something they know little about.

The jew will harness and, to a certain degree, support some nationalisms if it will help him in the larger scheme of things. That is why it is important to think outside the box and assess each individual situation on its own.

This situation in Ukraine is not good.
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