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Old January 3rd, 2012 #1
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Question Can someone explain the philosophy behind "ORION"?

It sounds vaguely Marxist on its surface. Kind of in the vein of "workers of the world unite".
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It sounds vaguely Marxist on its surface. Kind of in the vein of "workers of the world unite".
ORION -- for "Our Race Is Our Nation -- is an anagram which champions the concept of Aryan Internationalism.

The underlying thought is that the genetic commonality which unites White Men and White Women as racial brothers and sisters is more important than the specific nation or folk into which any given White person is born.

A White man living in San Diego, California, has more in common with a Swedish White living in Stockholm, than he does with the Mexicans living next door to him. Nothing "Marxist" about it.

Back in the 1990s there was a WN formation is the US called the National Democratic Front. Their motto was "One Race -- One Nation -- One Destiny." That is what ORION is all about.
 
Old January 4th, 2012 #3
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but what it means to me is that we, racially aware white people of the world, are truly a diaspora in our own nations at this point. I feel like a compete stranger in the nation I was born in. Therefor, I must look for my place amongst my people, wherever they may be in this world. I have a closer kinship to a WN on the other side of the world than I do to my average American neighbor.

We are a race within a race, a nation within a nation. We walk the loneliest road. Our nations have been taken from us. We have to band together wherever we find each other and make our "nation" there with our kinfolk.
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Thanks for the explanation.

It does make some sense for a US model, but how would it be applied to Europe?

Should all ethnicities within Europe be OK with immigrants from foreign states, as long as they are white and European? What about culture, language, histories, basic outlooks on life? Should these not be preserved?

Fenria, I understand your views about 'WN', and how you are a minority even amongst fellow whites. But I'm sure you realize that people are sheep, and people follow the status quo. If a small European nation manages to put people in power to halt immigration and repel foreigners, then I don't believe they should be looked down upon for rejecting other white Europeans from partaking in the 'spoils' so to speak. I don't think they should be looked down on for even trying to get rid of white foreigners who are either parasites or hostile intruders in the meantime either.

This is just what I think about Europe. In the US, I think we ought to do whatever we can, and support anything that promotes white unity here. What do you think?
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It's NS i.e. socialist, coined by the NS group centred around Eric Thomson
http://www.faem.com/eric/

and there is a sticky on his letters here on VNN http://www.vnnforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90

and the late Robert Frenz and his friend "Maguire". They also coined ZOG.

http://www.faem.com/edward/index.htm

That was also when the basics of WN in the US was hammered out e.g. by Yggdrasil

http://www.whitenationalism.com/wn/wn-06.htm

http://www.whitenationalism.com/

Arthur Kemp et al

http://www.marchofthetitans.com/

www.victoryforever.com/marchofthetitans.pdf


Good times.

ORION has/had meaning for the former colonial countries, which were founded based on Whites against non Whites, and within NS, as most NS work together as NS, not ethnicity.

It used to be that way in each colony, but once the colony was secure and became a country, people then began to once again group into ethnicities.
One can see this in the war between the states. The South was backed by France and Germany, and mostly Scots/Irish/French. The North was backed by Britain and British interests in the US, and was mostly former English.
Few understand that the war between the states was a spillover of the war between France, England, Prussia and Austria raging at that moment in Europe, just as the "War of Independence" was actually a proxy fight between Spain, France and England who were fighting each other in Europe at that moment.

Within Europe outside NS, ORION is utterly meaningless, as the focus is upon ethnicities gaining local power, autonomy and suzerainty i.e. returning to the city states type structure Europe was based upon prior to WW2.

Within say the US, people don't group together publicly around an ethnicity, but around a denomination.

Their denomination is the one they supported back in Europe, and their local church group is the local HQ for their ethnic tribe, and most serious denominations have mother bodies back in the original home country.

For example, though I am agnostic, I am an Anglican, and keep my agnosticism to myself. Wherever I go in the world, I simply look up the local Anglican religious group, meet them, they introduce me around, see I get taken care of etc, and I do the same in return, and contribute zogbucks, and so ones path through life is smoothed.
If one needs a hospital, school, college, business grouping, its all available via the church.

This of course applies to Catholics, Lutherans and all those who belong to traditional churches. Atheists always avoid this aspect, because they have no alternative to the church structure, and because the only alternative to the church, is for the state to do this.

Socialism is essentially the state trying to take over the churches functions and get its hand on church funding.
Socialism is thus essential in an atheist society, which is why so many atheists are NS.

Since however church funding is voluntary, the state ends up with all the liabilities the churches had, but none of the income, and so the state begins to collapse, as we see today.

The current financial crisis is due to the state having taken over many of the functions of churches, from education to medical services etc. but not receiving the donations, so it goes bankrupt.

Thus one would find Germans within the US loudly proclaiming their American loyalties, yet clustering around say Lutheran/Calvinist type churches and schools if from protestant northern Germany, and around catholic churches/schools if from Catholic southern Germany.

Terms like christian are totally meaningless, denomination is what actually matters, nor do most "religious" groups have anything to do with religion, they are there as disguise, to see to the welfare of local ethnic groups.

Within the US, the nationalist movement is split between atheists and those who group upon ethnicity, disguised a denomination.

Amongst the religious groups, you will find the state rights and state sovereignty movements, secessionists, people running for office, NGO's etc. There is very little online activity, as they are locally focused, and don't want to threaten their churches tax free status, which would affect the schools, hospitals, retirement homes etc they have built for themselves.

As in Europe, the focus is upon gaining control at local level of small city state/cantons within larger areas.

The action lies within the religious groupings, but publicity is absent.

The other grouping, the atheists, mostly restrict activities to online, as without churches they have no funding/support networks, so are alone.
The publicity comes from this group, but action is absent.

One hand washes the other.
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Thanks for the great insight, Hugh. It gave me a different perspective. I was looking at it as a throwaway slogan. I understand it more fully now.
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An explanation of the term:

[quote]

"One correspondent asked me, “What is your purpose?”
I replied: “To teach the jews’ sheep how to think,
so they may become men.”
Unity can only come from identity: Knowing who we are.
When we know who we are, we know what’s good or bad for us.
We must change our way of thinking from “ME” to “WE.”
It’s a simple step, but a gigantic one, for we have never thought as “We,
the people,” that is, we White people. It’s time to wake up, way past time."

"As you say, we must defend ourselves & Our Race
from the hatred & behavior of our racial enemies,
but we must first know who we are, & we must snap out of our jew-daze.
Thus, the White man’s war begins within himself,
to become & thus behave as a White who loves his Race.
Relevant behavior naturally follows relevant belief.
Therefore, only change of mind can save Our Kind.

All the best & ORION!

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Old October 22nd, 2012 #8
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I think ORION hearkens back to a time before nationalism, to the time of tribalism, when the fact of a person's ethnicity was the most important bond. It's not Marxist at all - it rejects nationalism and internationalism as two sides of the same worthless coin.
 
Old October 23rd, 2012 #9
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Our Race Is Our Nation.

These 5 words contribute to understand the difference from "nationalism" and "pro white ideology".

We can speak different languages, we can have different character(blond or dark-haired, brown or blue eyes), we can have a different culture but we're part of a great group called White Race and we are, at first, Whites and pro White.

For example, let's consider a pro white romanian who immigrate in Italy.

A generical "italian nationalist" would say: "he's an immigrant, he's not italian, smash" because the pro white romanian is an estranger at his eyes.

An italian pro white guy would say: "well, we have another pro white guy in Italy, this is a good thing" because a pro white guy consideres race and pro white ideology over all.

We're under attack, we have internal differences but it's more important mantain racial differences from whites and non whites than any other thing.

Sometimes simple Nationalism makes pro white guys argue each other because of borders' questions.

Sometimes ethnonationalism makes pro white guys argue each other because of questions which I consider irrelevant in comparison with the racial problem.

ORION means this: racial problem is the most important thing, Our Race has to be the first thing in our head.
 
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