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Old May 23rd, 2014 #61
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Lets look in the past to see how Capitalism took advantage of and abused our people back in the good ol' days of unrestricted "free market Capitalism" - This is what Libertarians claim to want.

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COAL MINE SCRIP

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As the industrial revolution gained momentum in America during the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, there came a growing demand for coal to feed the hungry furnaces of industry and the mining of coal began in many states. Since most of these mines were established in remote, rugged areas far from stores and banks it was difficult to keep enough currency on hand to pay its miners. Capitalizing on the opportunity to make additional profits while filling the need to supply the miners and their families with household staples, mine owners established the company store and created the monetary system called “scrip.”

The first scrip was made of paper and came in chits or booklets of different denominations and could only be used in the company store of the mine that issued the scrip. By the early 1900’s token manufacturing companies began minting scrip in brass, copper, aluminum, zinc, nichol, and nichol plate, plus bi-metal pieces made of brass outer ring and lead or aluminum centers. Each company had its own version of coins, some with punched initials of the town or mine it was used in, while others were solid with pictorials or inserts. Most were round but some were scalloped or odd shaped in design. Produced in denominations from 1 cent through $5, all were different sizes much like coins of today. During World War II when metal was in short supply, fiber scrip was made in red, green, brown, white, and black colors. Other early scrip was made of celluloid, plastic and hard rubber.

The Childs Company of Chicago, Illinois was the 1st to apply for a patent of its token design or system in 1899. The Ingle Company received a similar patent in 1909 and the Insurance Credit System followed in 1919. Other early coal scrip makers were Wright & Sons, Cincinnati, Ohio; Southern Rubber Stamp Works, Richmond, Virginia; S. H. Quints & Sons of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and Murdock Stamp and Specialty Company. The Ingle Company later became Ingle Schierloh Company of Dayton, Ohio. In 1920 Wiley Osborne purchased Murdock Stamp and Specialty Co. and in 1924 the Insurance Credit System and changed their name to the Osborne Register Company with the trade mark “ORCO”. After Ingle Schierloh Co. ceased operations, ORCO eventually became the “King” of the scrip token business.

Since about 75% of all the tokens used were in the coal fields of West Virginia, Virginia and Eastern Kentucky who called them “Scrip”, that was the term adopted to describe these tokens and which we use today. Scrip was not the only name these tokens were known by however, some coal fields and other states had other colorful names such as: “Flickers”, “Clackers”, “Checks”, “P’Lolly”, “Lightweights”, “Bingles”, “Stickers”, “Chink-tin” and “Dugaloos”. But no matter the name used for these tokens, the object was the same; help the coal operators keep the wages paid to the miners in the company by forcing them to spend at the company store.

Some companies paid their miners exclusively in scrip each payday, thereby eliminating the need to keep currency on hand. Others used scrip as a credit medium that miners could use between paydays for needed supplies from the company store. A miner could request credit by scrip against work performed or work that would be performed. This scrip amount would be charged against the miners payroll account and deducted from his next pay day. Some companies would allow miners to trade scrip for cash but usually not for the full face value of the scrip. Some would pay as little as 50 cents on the dollar while others would pay as high as 80 to 85 cents per dollar. A few paid 100% but they were rare.

Being paid in scrip was like trying to work off a loan whose interest rate was so high that he was forever in debt. There was no competition in the coal fields and the company stores inflated their prices far above normal rates. By the time rent for the company house a miner lived in, any medical services he needed, utilities, and even a mandatory funeral fund were deducted along with what he had borrowed between pay days, there often was nothing left to collect on pay day.

In later years some states passed laws requiring companies to pay in U.S. currency each month. Coal companies side-stepped this law by paying in scrip for weekly or bi-weekly pay days and then cash at the end of each month. This in effect left the miner where he was before the law was enacted. Finally, in the 1950’s many states outlawed the use of scrip entirely and it soon disappeared from use altogether. Scrip is now remembered mostly by those who once were paid with it and by those who collect it as a hobby and a fascinating reminder of years gone by.
Would anyone here would have liked to live in that time? I guarantee that life was every bit as bad as living in the USSR. Except in this case they were being shit on by their Capitalissars.

Reminds me of that song "16 tons"

"You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Its all good as long as we got our freeDUMBs right?

THIS IS CAPITALISM - Live it, love it, embrace it.

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Old May 23rd, 2014 #62
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End immigration and wages will rise. That's what I mean by having a few simple rules and letting the market work. Don't allow business to manipulate the labor market by importing millions of muds and you'll see immediate improvement in wages and working conditions.
How much "diversity" do you think a company is actually hiring when they included these requirements:

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How many niggers, spics can put a check by all 3? If they aren't even hiring immigrants then how the hell would it effect the labor prices for that particular company? Mexicans aren't competing for those jobs so its completely irrelevant. What was the excuse for them paying slave wages in the past prior to non-White immigration? $10/hr should be illegal for a job like that.

I used to work at these sorta places when I was 18-20, and its all White people working in these places. But I'm overqualified for a job like that these days. They couldn't pay me what I'm worth.

You wanna know how I lived working at a place like that? I was living in a trailer that was older than I was because it was all I could afford, and heating the place in the winter damn near broke me, and I had to turn the heat off. I ate fucking ramen noodles for dinner 3x a week. While I went in to work and slaved for one of these Capitalist overlords. I felt like I was living a comparable lively hood as someone in the USSR who did industrial work. This is one of the reasons I got no love for Capitalism, because I know exactly what its like to be shit on by the Capitalism. And it hasn't been like this just in recent times, its been a repeated occurrence of abuse and them paying basically slave wages for jobs. Most people talk about the Industrial revolution like it was a golden age. But the fact of the matter it was big Capitalists shitting all over the working man, while lining their pockets with an absurd amount of wealth. They replaced niggers as slaves and used White men instead.

There is no economic system the jews love more than Capitalism. Its so effective that real Communist economics is pretty much dead. They realized that Capitalism does everything they need it to and does it better than Communism. Why? Because its better to have dupes who believe they are free than to oppress a population aggressively under Communism.

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Old May 23rd, 2014 #63
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Ford CEO makes 28.9m compared to Toyota CEO who makes 1.7m. Toyota CEO took a pay cut down to 1.54m when the company was doing poorly:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/20...otive-ceo-pay/

Why the fuck is there such a large difference in CEO pay? Would anyone like to argue that Ford Motor Company takes 10x more brains to run/operate than Toyota? So much for the argument that you need to pay 20m to get the best people. Because I believe Toyota is kicking Ford's ass in automobile sales. Why can't American CEOs for companies the size of Toyota settle for 1.5-2m salary? What exactly is the fucking problem? I bet Toyota in Japan pays their employees middle class wages too. Why do the japs seem to have fairer wages? Those damn Socialists!!!
 
Old May 23rd, 2014 #64
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This is the reason that kikes LOVE Capitalism. By the time the Capitalist Nation wrecking is done, the kikes will have sucked an entire Nation bone dry.



The below explains why they want to make as many people below them as possible into slaves. So the scheme continues for as long as it possibly can.

 
Old May 23rd, 2014 #65
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Glad some reasonable people have joined the discussion. Great points Sean and Crowe. The only way to save America is to create a new culture, plain and simple.

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End immigration and wages will rise. That's what I mean by having a few simple rules and letting the market work. Don't allow business to manipulate the labor market by importing millions of muds and you'll see immediate improvement in wages and working conditions.
The collapse of wages in America is thanks to both globalization and illegal immigration, true.

But that's only half the story. For example, wages are really low in places like Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, and West Virginia, despite having almost no Mexicans. The poverty rate is also off the charts, and most of these working poor are white families. Why are there so many people struggling to make ends meet in a country so rich in resources and with infinite work that needs to be done?

A lot of it is due to racial issues, but another problem is the ever shifting nature of labor demands and the inherent stinginess of capitalists. The Bush tax-cuts and Reaganomics promised to create and expand employment in America, yet what did rich people do with the money? They put it away in the fucking bank or used it to speculate. Just like you can manipulate commodities just by getting a few billionaires to sit at a table and plan it, you can also speculate the labor market, all you have to do is replace people with machines and refuse to budge on wages.

With that said, welfare and food stamps do play a role in this too. Ironic that you and Alex will go on about "white nigger" families who work hard and still need foodstamps, but the ones who are scamming the tax payer are the capitalists. McDonalds in their manual openly tells its employees to sign up for all the government benefits, while their failing nigger CEO votes himself a raise.

People who are waxing on about how great the prices at Wal-Mart are don't factor in the hidden cost we pay in our income taxes every year to subsidize their slaves.

Ironically, under socialism taxes would drop for the vast majority of people, since we wouldn't need to spend so much on "entitlements". Taxes in Nazi Germany were very low despite having a plethora of social resources to create a strong middle class and a dignified working class.

Gilded Age aficionados are as psychotic, anti-white, and absurd as a white nationalist yearning for Stalin's Russia. The only difference is that at least the USSR was consistent and stable, in 19th century AmeriKwa your precious gold standard caused "panics" and depressions every 10 years, while Conservative socialists in Germany and Canada were able to weather these at the very same time. Some private bank gambles or Austria-Hungary makes some political move, and this retards the entire economy of America, how the fuck is that good for the white race?
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Old May 24th, 2014 #66
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Ford CEO makes 28.9m compared to Toyota CEO who makes 1.7m. Toyota CEO took a pay cut down to 1.54m when the company was doing poorly:

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/20...otive-ceo-pay/

Why the fuck is there such a large difference in CEO pay? Would anyone like to argue that Ford Motor Company takes 10x more brains to run/operate than Toyota? So much for the argument that you need to pay 20m to get the best people. Because I believe Toyota is kicking Ford's ass in automobile sales. Why can't American CEOs for companies the size of Toyota settle for 1.5-2m salary? What exactly is the fucking problem? I bet Toyota in Japan pays their employees middle class wages too. Why do the japs seem to have fairer wages? Those damn Socialists!!!
CEO pay is pretty humble in places like Australia, Germany, and other countries that are staying afloat in spite of the Jewish leech on their backs. Salary caps and regulations work and don't hurt business like Jew lobbyists in America pretend it will. The opposite actually.
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Old May 24th, 2014 #67
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How much "diversity" do you think a company is actually hiring when they included these requirements:
Millions of third world immigrants lower the wages for unskilled workers everywhere in the United States, not just in cities where they're numerous, and not just in industries that hire them.

Each added low wage worker makes it easier to find workers without raising wages. They displace workers who would demand more money and better working conditions. Without the immigrants employers would be competing for a more limited supply of unskilled labor.

The same applies to skilled labor. This is what CEOs who complain about a labor shortage of computer programmers, to use one common corporate example, are talking about. The shortage is real at the wages they're willing to pay. Raise the pay and they'd have no trouble filling any openings.
 
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Another reason for low wages, and (IMO) one of the reasons for the recession, is technology. A lot of jobs have been automated out of existence. Many jobs that still exist have been made easier and simpler, so that what was a middle class job has become a working class job. Jobs have been created in the tech industry, but the effect of that techology is to destroy a whole lot more jobs than it created.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...re-coming.html
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Professor Brynjolfsson puts it like this: “There’s never been a better time to be a worker with special skills or the right education, because these people can use technology to create and capture value.However, there’s never been a worse time to be a worker with only 'ordinary’ skills and abilities to offer, because computers, robots, and other digital technologies are acquiring these skills and abilities at an extraordinary rate.”
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Will we be able to resist the robots’ advances?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ro...bots-advances/

How robots are eating the last of America’s—and the world’s—traditional manufacturing jobs
http://qz.com/53710/robots-are-eatin...acturing-jobs/

How the internet is making us poor
http://qz.com/67323/how-the-internet-made-us-poor/
 
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CEO pay is pretty humble in places like Australia, Germany, and other countries that are staying afloat in spite of the Jewish leech on their backs. Salary caps and regulations work and don't hurt business like Jew lobbyists in America pretend it will. The opposite actually.
The Capitalists say you have to pay the most to get the best people. But in kwa you can run your company into the ground, get bailed out by ZOG, and walk away with a bonus instead of a pink slip. American CEOs are the most paid, but the worst performing.
 
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Another reason for low wages, and (IMO) one of the reasons for the recession, is technology. A lot of jobs have been automated out of existence. Many jobs that still exist have been made easier and simpler, so that what was a middle class job has become a working class job. Jobs have been created in the tech industry, but the effect of that techology is to destroy a whole lot more jobs than it created.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...re-coming.html


See also:

Will we be able to resist the robots’ advances?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ro...bots-advances/

How robots are eating the last of America’s—and the world’s—traditional manufacturing jobs
http://qz.com/53710/robots-are-eatin...acturing-jobs/

How the internet is making us poor
http://qz.com/67323/how-the-internet-made-us-poor/
If they're going to half ass automate those jobs, then they may as well take the next step and fully automate them. Its not right to expect a White man to work for a non-livable wage. I think its within the worker's interests that the lowest tier jobs get automated if they can't afford to pay a livable wage for them. I'd rather see robotics technology advance based on necessity than have migrant laborers doing those jobs. Its better to turn those jobs into highly skilled jobs where they need engineers, mechanics, maintenance technicians instead of grunts. In an all White society, it might be possible where everybody at the minimum could learn some sort of trade. It would take a generation to make a transition, to where everyone's kids learn some sort of marketable skill. Plumbing, construction could still be done by people even a little lower on the bell curve, sub 100 IQ. I think its a tragedy that a kid can go to school for 12 years, and not possess a marketable skill by the time they're 18. The education system needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up.

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The standard of living has been eroded gradually in the 40 years since I've been in the workforce.

My sixteen-year-old just got a job at $10.50/hr (minimum wage in BC). I was hired fresh out of high school in 1978 for $9.55/hr (minimum wage back then was around $3.00/hr). Within six months I got a raise to $12.00/hr.

In '78, $9.55 would buy 12 beer, a pack of smokes and enough gas for the weekend. One hour's work.

Today the same Friday Night Package costs about $50.00 where I live. Who's got a $50/hr job for a high school kid these days? Where's the revolt?
 
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This is what it should look like after you eliminate kike influence, and Nationalize the banking system and eliminate profiteering of debt:




Instead of this: (Capitalism)

 
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This is what it should look like after you eliminate kike influence, and Nationalize the banking system and eliminate profiteering of debt:




Instead of this: (Capitalism)

Keep yer dayam socialist hands off my medicare!!!!

How dare you suggest workers should get at least enough of the pie (that they bake) to afford food, shelter and something to put away for a rainy day.
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Lets look in the past to see how Capitalism took advantage of and abused our people back in the good ol' days of unrestricted "free market Capitalism" - This is what Libertarians claim to want.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ky...y_Freddie.html

Would anyone here would have liked to live in that time? I guarantee that life was every bit as bad as living in the USSR. Except in this case they were being shit on by their Capitalissars.
They couldn't shoot you for insulting the boss, so it had that going for it.

Making these ridiculous comparisons to communism only makes you look foolish. There is no comparison. Communism was the worst society ever. It's not even a contest. No other society killed so many of its own citizens, or made their ordinary lives so miserable for so long.

However, I would accept state intervention to force companies to pay their workers in real money, not scrip. If the automobile hadn't eliminated the problem fifty years ago.
 
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Keep yer dayam socialist hands off my medicare!!!!

How dare you suggest workers should get at least enough of the pie (that they bake) to afford food, shelter and something to put away for a rainy day.
Most workers have smartphones and cable television. Most of them don't need a smartphone for their work and no one needs cable television. That's at least $2,000 a year they could save, but they don't. In 2012 a HUD survey found there were 633,782 homeless people in the US. An older study (from a less reliable source) claimed one in five homeless people were employed. 126,756 homeless workers isn't good news, but it's a small part of the working population. Most workers, even with the poor economy we've had since 2008, can still afford housing and food and their failure to save money is due to their choices to consume now rather than save for later.
 
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Making these ridiculous comparisons to communism only makes you look foolish. There is no comparison. Communism was the worst society ever. It's not even a contest. No other society killed so many of its own citizens, or made their ordinary lives so miserable for so long.
Ridiculous assumptions? What about the ones comparing Communism to National Socialism? Anything can be warped and twisted to be compared to Communism. If others can do it to bash my political beliefs, then I can do use the same argument to bash theirs.

The men that worked for that coal company weren't any better off than industrial goyim servants in the USSR. If you criticized your boss, you'd get fired, and then the coal company would place a lien on everything you own to pay off the debt, then you and your family would starve. That is Capitalism. Getting shot in the face by a Commie for questioning them is a merciful death in comparison. But apparently freeDUMBs make all the difference to some people. FreeDUMBs don't make a damn bit of difference if you're living a life like those miners were.

Name a Nation in the history of the world who has killed more than the USA? The red, white and blue fags have killed more than 200 million people in the last 200 years or so.

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Name a Nation in the history of the world who has killed more than the USA? The red, white and blue fags have killed more than 200 million people in the last 200 years or so.
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Newsflash, Sam.

Business manipulating the labor market by importing millions of muds is the market working.
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Newsflash, Sam.

Business manipulating the labor market by importing millions of muds is the market working.
Why did you cut off the beginning of the sentence. What I said:

That's what I mean by having a few simple rules and letting the market work.

The rules set limits on the market. The market is allowed to work inside those limits. I'm not a libertarian, biology is more important than economics.
 
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The rules set limits on the market.
Who sets the rules?

Careful, Sam. You're starting to sound like a commie!
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