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Old April 12th, 2011 #1
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Default Seeking systematic analyses of the destructive effects of christ-lunacy from a White racial perspective

Post links to the best analyses you know of. I'd like to get them all in one place. Even if you don't have link but you know a certain book covers it, mention that.
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #2
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"There was a flaw in the intellectual foundation of America from the start: the attempt to combine the Enlightenment approach in politics with the Judeo-Christian ethics. For a while, the latter element was on the defensive, muted by the eighteenth-century spirit, so that America could gain a foothold, grow to maturity, and become great. But only for a while. Thanks to Immanuel Kant, as I have discussed in my book The Ominous Parallels, the base of religion--faith and self-sacrifice--was re-established at the turn of the nineteenth century. Thereafter, all of modern philosophy embraced collectivism, in the form of socialism, Fascism, Communism, welfare statism. By now, the distinctive ideas at the base of America have been largely forgotten or swept aside. They will not be brought back by an appeal to religion.

What then is the solution? It is not atheism as such--and I say this even though as an Objectivist I am an atheist. "Atheism" is a negative; it means not believing in God--which leaves wide open what you do believe in. It is futile to crusade for a negative; the Communists, too, call themselves atheists. Nor is the answer "secular humanism," about which we often hear today. This term is used so loosely that it is practically contentless; it is compatible with a wide range of conflicting viewpoints, including, again, Communism. To combat the doctrines that are destroying our country, out-of-context terms and ideas such as these are useless. What we need is an integrated, consistent philosophy in every branch, and especially in the two most important ones: epistemology and ethics. We need a philosophy of reason and of rational self-interest, a philosophy that would once again release the power of man's mind and the energy inherent in his pursuit of happiness. Nothing less will save America or individual rights.

There are many good people in the world who accept religion, and many of them hold some good ideas on social questions. I do not dispute that. But their religion is not the solution to our problem; it is the problem. Do I say that therefore there should now only be "freedom for atheism"? No, I am not Mr. Kemp. Of course, religions must be left free; no philosophic viewpoint, right or wrong, should be interfered with by the state. I do say, however, that it is time for patriots to take a stand--to name publicly what America does depend on, and why that is not Judaism or Christianity.

There are men today who advocate freedom and who recognize what ideas lie at its base, but who then counsel "practicality." It is too late, they say, to educate people philosophically; we must appeal to what they already believe; we must pretend to endorse religion on strategic grounds, even if privately we don't.

This is a counsel of intellectual dishonesty and of utter impracticality. It is too late indeed, far too late for a strategy of deception which by its nature has to backfire and always has, because it consists of confirming and supporting the very ideas that have to be uprooted and replaced. It is time to tell people the unvarnished truth: to stand up for man's mind and this earth, and against any version of mysticism or religion. It is time to tell people: "You must choose between unreason and America. You cannot have both. Take your pick."

If there is to be any chance for the future, this is the only chance there is."

Leonard Piekoff

(Some have accused Dr. Piekoff, correctly, of being insane. But he is not insane all the time) FWIW

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Old April 12th, 2011 #3
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
 
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I believe "Which Way Western Man" has a chapter or two on the author's trip through institutional christianity from the perspective of a man on the path to becoming a priest, if i recall correctly.

Duke's book may also have a section.
 
Old April 14th, 2011 #5
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Not from a racial perspective, but some interesting observations.

http://www.bobbrinsmead.com/t_NOTES_..._AND_MYTH.html
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I know it is a bit off-topic but i was searching for a critique about humanity and christianity or humanity as a religion and found many Jewish authors.

Is this humanitarism Jewish or Freemason in origin?

http://www.google.com/books?hl=pt-PT...page&q&f=false

http://www.jeramyt.org/papers/sociol...-religion.html

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216...21662727ws.pdf

http://psychology.about.com/od/sigmu...d_religion.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanit...tarian_beliefs

Criticism_of_religion Criticism_of_religion

Religion_of_Humanity Religion_of_Humanity

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What if the 'synagogue of Satan' is really the Catholic and protestant Church? It is the 'blasphemous who say they are jews, but are not', could this not be referring to non-Jewish christians?
 
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"Race" as a concept outside of the immediate nation-state/tribe is a relatively new idea. The only time I've seen it pop up is when Europeans came into direct conflict with non-white invaders in Europe. In such cases, Christianity was the closest thing to a representative of a white racial identity. That is to say, religion was race in places like the Iberian peninsula and the Balkans for well over five centuries respectively in both areas.

I don't think the idea of a white race sans religion began being formed until white and non-white populaces began co-existing for long periods of time in the Americas.

Christianity can be condemned from a racial perspective for its conversion principles, yet this same thing is the very foundation of the concept of Europe; of a people with a common bond.
 
Old April 16th, 2011 #9
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I believe "Which Way Western Man" has a chapter or two on the author's trip through institutional christianity from the perspective of a man on the path to becoming a priest, if i recall correctly.



Since WWWM continues as a top-ten classic of intellectually supportable racialism, I'd add here that understanding the often overlooked early chapters pertaining to Simpson's growth through an extended time of very hard-core Christinsanity is a most worthwhile exercise in developing a sustainable racial weltanschauung. Simpson spent years living under a doctoral level case of insane religious lunacy, complete with vows of poverty and entrenched egalitarianism.



What's really interesting to me about Simpson's personal growth out of his dead ended religious ideology is not so much his later embrace of Nietzsche as rather the fact that he never actually finds it necessary to disavow or reject his Xtian roots. Rather, he simply outgrows them into a vastly more erudite and comprehensive understanding. I'd say that he eventually outgrows Nietzsche as well. In so doing Simpson - perhaps inadvertently - reveals one of the great tricks the jew built into its Christinsane propaganda: the combination of a level of common sense and rational moral and ethical instruction with a totally debilitating, destructive, dishonest, and anti-intellectual fantasy. I'd like to think that more WN would become familiar with the moral and, yes, mystical implications of Simpson's developed worldview (and Bill Pierce's by extension, too). Both men recognized the necessity of creating a White ideology that would not deny the fundamental tendency of humans to gullibly become victims of the shaman shyster - jew or otherwise. Both found non-destructive and intellectually honest ways to accommodate and to integrate the White man's inherent mysticism with the eventually practical inability to answer final questions posed by the real universe.



So: a review of WWWM's early chapters can be beneficial.



Of course Mein Kampfe offers much is this area, albeit stated rather subtly. (I think AH was reluctant to be to obvious in his distaste for the Christinsane, given the recognizable influence of the Church over too many Germans at that time. )



A more explicit (if, sadly, excessively pedantic) coverage can be found in Rosenberg's Myth of the Twentieth Century . Somehow I doubt that many WN will find the time to spend here, although Rosenberg's ideas of the development of a racial soul, and the mystical and spiritual implications of this thinking for NS and for Whites generally do lead both forward and also back toward the original roots of European mysticism.
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Old April 16th, 2011 #10
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I really do not know of a good essay that sums up the case against Christianity from a white racialist point of view. Maybe I will have to write it myself.
 
Old April 12th, 2011 #11
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
As a Christian I don't say such things...I often find myself at odds with other Christians and their perspectives, and they mine. Fair enough I suppose

This site from the New York Public Library, Dorot Jewish Division, which documents Jews in America, also documents Christian involvement with Judaism since it arrived here in America.....not only compromising White racial survival, but twisting Christianity into something never intended.

Jewes in America: Conquistadors, Knickerbockers, Pilgrims, and the Hope of Israel
 
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He's right about atheism at least - christians are always at pains to insist that if you reject their god it implies believing this, that, or horrible other - which in itself is a very characterically jewy way of arguing. It is exactly the same as the jew saying, if you don't believe in race-mixing you're a "hater."
Many will insist that atheism is a religion. Ben Stein made some documentary (Expelled) about how intelligent design (fancy words for creationism) is being kept out of the classroom. I believe he makes the point that religion creates a barrier against nazism and eugenics and that kind of stuff.
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This is a source that came in today from We Hold These Truths...an anti Zionist Christian source...thought some might find it of interest:

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We're excited about our two new new podcast programs:

Christ Followers Bible Study: http://whtt.podbean.com/category/whtt/cfbible-study/ This is a Bible investigation that also challenges the beliefs and dogmas held by Christian Zionist. Try listening to one, you might want to subscible. There's no charge.

Pharisee Watch & Unheralded News: http://whtt.podbean.com/category/wht...heralded-news/ We look into and comment on the events of the day that don't get the attention and interpretation they should get.

You can also subscribe to our podcasts on iTunes (in "Search" just enter "WHTT"): http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/whtt/id431438496#



Why not give a listen to our latest podcast, "Please Mr.Gethner, Don't Take Our Social Security Away": http://whtt.podbean.com/2011/04/06/p...security-away/



Thanks,



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Old April 13th, 2011 #14
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[Did Christianity engineer a people stupid enough to believe in Christianity?]

Review of Hereditary Genius: An Inquiry into its Laws and Consequences

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What caused European man to degenerate? The success of the ancient world brought in less intelligent immigrants. Then the Catholic Church came along and made some of the brightest men and women take vows of celibacy. Intelligent men who weren’t priests often became heretics and ran afoul of the various Inquisitions that were set up to ensure religious orthodoxy.

Galton could have mentioned the Thirty Years’ War which wiped out 15–30% of the population of Germany. Those percentages dwarf even the victims of communism in the 20th century.

One could speculate that militant Christianity created a European who has held on to his intelligence to some extent but has lost the ability to think outside the box of what’s socially acceptable. And if he thinks bad thoughts, he certainly doesn’t express them.
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For Galton, there was no question that racial differences in intelligence were linked to heredity. While he acknowledge the existence of occasional Africans of high intelligence, he stated that, "he average intellectual standard of the negro race, is some two grades below our own."; He added that great numbers of Negroes were "half-witted" and that visitors to Africa rarely met tribal chiefs who could be regarded as their intellectual equals. Galton's pronouncements weren't limited to non-whites however. He blamed Europe's decline on earlier Church practices such as celibacy which prevented the most intelligent people from breeding as well as for the persecution of heretics who were often "the most fearless, truthseeking and intelligent". Galton argued that, as a result, Catholic countries such as Italy and Spain lost their cultural prominence. He concluded that, "the wonder is that enough good remained in the veins of Europeans to enable their race to rise to its present, very moderate level of natural ability."
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Many will insist that atheism is a religion. Ben Stein made some documentary (Expelled) about how intelligent design (fancy words for creationism) is being kept out of the classroom. I believe he makes the point that religion creates a barrier against nazism and eugenics and that kind of stuff.
Atheism is not a religion. 'Atheism' is simply a term for those who reject god(s) posited by others. The bias is on the one making the assertion to back it with evidence, not on the one who points out there is no evidence. People assert all kinds of things exist that don't, and there is no term for the people who reject these assertions - only for those who reject, say, the christian God.

The Christian says "God" - what is this god? It is nothing. And the view that it is nothing is hardly a religious view, it's merely a factual observation.

It doesn't matter what the christ cultist says, his assertions do not form a special class to be treated by special rules. They are assertions like any other, and if they are unbacked by evidence, then like other unbacked assertions, they are rejected by sane people.

No amount of lying or social pressure will ever, intellectually, raise christ lunacy to the level of science and rationality. It's anger at that fact that leads the jebus cultists to come up with hateful epithets for others who laugh at their silly cult.
 
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Atheism is not a religion. 'Atheism' is simply a term for those who reject god(s) posited by others. The bias is on the one making the assertion to back it with evidence, not on the one who points out there is no evidence. People assert all kinds of things exist that don't, and there is no term for the people who reject these assertions - only for those who reject, say, the christian God.

The Christian says "God" - what is this god? It is nothing. And the view that it is nothing is hardly a religious view, it's merely a factual observation.

It doesn't matter what the christ cultist says, his assertions do not form a special class to be treated by special rules. They are assertions like any other, and if they are unbacked by evidence, then like other unbacked assertions, they are rejected by sane people.

No amount of lying or social pressure will ever, intellectually, raise christ lunacy to the level of science and rationality. It's anger at that fact that leads the jebus cultists to come up with hateful epithets for others who laugh at their silly cult.
I think that Atheism doesn't really exist because worshiping is a human trait.

Some worship physical things like money, NBA teams, Pop singers, Niggers, women, Humanity, sex, the white race, political leaders, cars ...

Others worship spiritual or unphysical things like gods, heavens, religions, aliens, ideology, philosophy, science, psychoanalysis ...
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Atheism is not a religion. 'Atheism' is simply a term for those who reject god(s) posited by others. The bias is on the one making the assertion to back it with evidence, not on the one who points out there is no evidence. People assert all kinds of things exist that don't, and there is no term for the people who reject these assertions - only for those who reject, say, the christian God.

The Christian says "God" - what is this god? It is nothing. And the view that it is nothing is hardly a religious view, it's merely a factual observation.

It doesn't matter what the christ cultist says, his assertions do not form a special class to be treated by special rules. They are assertions like any other, and if they are unbacked by evidence, then like other unbacked assertions, they are rejected by sane people.

No amount of lying or social pressure will ever, intellectually, raise christ lunacy to the level of science and rationality. It's anger at that fact that leads the jebus cultists to come up with hateful epithets for others who laugh at their silly cult.
Truly a perfect post.
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I don't know that there are many books like this. That said, it's not really hard to envisage what such arguments might look like. Christianity has been the motivator of both external and internal destructive actions. External examples could be the Spanish conquest of America, where the motivation was to "civilize the savages and bring them to Christendom" thus creating the blight of modern Latin America. Internal examples would be Vatican II or US Prot denominations assisting Third World mass immigration causes or drumming up support for Zionism. This is because Christianity is at its core subversive - the New Testament being replete with nihilistic ideas ranging from gender egalitarianism to judeo-supremacy to humanism.

The most sophisticated critique of Christianity from a white perspective was done by Ludwig Klages but his works have never been translated into English to my knowledge.
 
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I don't know that there are many books like this. That said, it's not really hard to envisage what such arguments might look like. Christianity has been the motivator of both external and internal destructive actions. External examples could be the Spanish conquest of America, where the motivation was to "civilize the savages and bring them to Christendom" thus creating the blight of modern Latin America.
Christ-insanity breeds irrationality. You will notice that whenever I bring up specific points in an argument, the christ defender never addresses them. Never. He simply repeats the original claim, which I at least have tried and believe I have successfully refuted. So the christ-lunatic will say, "under christianity, the west conquered the americas." And i rejoin, but they didn't exterminate the natives, they tried to convert them. And look at the result. Look where that conversion mentality has led today. Christians are continually urged to sponsor little brown failure kids in South American and elsewhere in mudworld; at the same time, christ-cult churches work with the State Department to bring in millions of Third Worlders to traditionally White areas.

Christ-lunacy erodes the ability to think because it puts wishes and revelations on par with evidence and logic.

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Internal examples would be Vatican II or US Prot denominations assisting Third World mass immigration causes or drumming up support for Zionism. This is because Christianity is at its core subversive - the New Testament being replete with nihilistic ideas ranging from gender egalitarianism to judeo-supremacy to humanism.

The most sophisticated critique of Christianity from a white perspective was done by Ludwig Klages but his works have never been translated into English to my knowledge.
Back in the day, VNN posted translations of a number of pieces of Klages' work.
 
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I presume you mean excluding Oliver of whose corpus I believe you to be aware?

Elmer Pendell's 'Why Civilisations Self-Destruct' has implicit reference to it (it is available in reprint).

Also Mathilde Ludendorff (last wife of General Erich Ludendorff) wrote pretty extensively on it in her many books: four of which have been translated into English (although these don't include the books that she goes into her in-depth critique of Christianity). See here.

There is also a pretty extensive NS literature on the subject, but most of which; outside Anton Holzner, is untranslated from the original German. There are English-language academic summaries of their positions available however if you'd be content with that.

Savitri Devi spent a lot of time on it over her various books and Goodrick-Clarke gives a good summary of the whole gamut of racialist critiques of Christianity in his 'Black Sun' and Matthias Gardell also has some reference to it in 'Gods of the Blood'.

You could also try Alexander Rudd Mills' 'The Call of our Ancient Nordic Religion' and 'The Odinist Religion' both of which contain critiques of Christianity (both are available in reprint).

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I believe "Which Way Western Man" has a chapter or two on the author's trip through institutional christianity from the perspective of a man on the path to becoming a priest, if i recall correctly.
Yep: he spends a lot of time on his early pre-racial years and later on his transformation via Nietzsche into a racialist.

As to Duke (as much as I loathe the man): his (positive) comments as to Christianity (and Islam) are in 'Jewish Supremacism' (don't know about 'My Awakening') pp. 79-95 in both the 1st and 2nd editions.

You might find John Allegro's later work to be of interest (e.g. 'The End of a Road' (1970) and 'Physician Heal Thyself...' (1983)) as it directly feeds in to much of Oliver's influential racialist critique of Christianity although Oliver only ever cited 'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross', 'The Copper Scroll' and 'The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth' to my knowledge.
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