Jews and Italians -- what's the nature of their relationship?

[richardya]

YouTube- True Romance - Sicilians

YouTube- True Romance - Sicilians

This explains the history of sicily

[blueskies]

YouTube- Tarantella Napoletana

YouTube- Tarantella Napoletana

[Bud White]

Originally Posted by Marty Macaluso

I think its safe to assume some Jews and Italian Americans have a cushy relationship, I think it mostly takes place in NY and North Jersey because they lived in close proximity and many mixed. I don't think it anywhere near as close as the relationship between the WASP/Southern Baptist types and Jews though. The WASP/Southern Baptist types are basically taught Jews are the greatest thing since slice bread as children, and Protestants basically worship Israel. When that shit went down with the Gaza Flotilla Massacre a few weeks ago the only ones defending the Jews and Israel were the Southern White Baptist. Most of the soldiers fighting and dying in the Jew wars being fought in Afghanistan and Iraq are WASP from the South and Middle America. Even the Confederates were more anti Catholic then they were anti Jewish, their secretary of state was a kike, Judah Benjamin.

Where are u b/ tards coming up with this shit? New Jersey Italians cozy up to Jews. Count me out of that group. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[America First]

The eternal enemy aliens of of Western man enjoy these postings.

IMO delete the accounts of these POS's and delete the thread.

[balancedben]

Originally Posted by Bud White

Where are u b/ tards coming up with this shit? New Jersey Italians cozy up to Jews. Count me out of that group. Jesus Fucking Christ.

There's all sorts of races involved in porn. The Jews are the ones in control of most of it though.

Originally Posted by BreannaFand

I am not a Nordicist. I have nothing against Med Whites. But there is nonwhite admixture in Italy, something that Italians need to admit if they want to save their people. The problem is mainly around the coastline of Southern Italy. People I have met from Calabria, especially, tend to look quite Arabic.

so you're admitting that the southern europeans aren't pure? then there's nothing to save. they're already lost. if they're not pure white then they're not white. it's as simple as that. what's up with the double speak? why are we trying to blind ourselves from the obvious truth? i have a buddy who's parents are both from spain. that guy ain't white. he looks as arab as osama bin laden. i'm not saying this trying to be hateful. i'm calling a spade a spade.

[RickHolland]

Many WN know that 10% of Sicilian individuals have negroid blood but their Jewish ancestry isn't so well known.

Florida: Italian Americans, Jewish Roots

Sicily: Some Jewish history

Italy: More on Jews in the south

At the ICJG: Jews in Italy

[Mike Parker]

The jews used Italians to run Las Vegas when they needed street thugs and union pension funds (the tail end of that period is shown in the movie Casino). Then the jews decided that they'd be better off with a corporate veneer and (how amusing) that Wall Street would finance gambling casinos. So they kicked the Italians to the curb and now use Mormons there. Where are we going with all this? If anything, the Mormon connection is more insidious, since it confirms jewish criminals as upstanding citizens.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Mike Parker

Where are we going with all this? If anything, the Mormon connection is more insidious, since it confirms jewish criminals as upstanding citizens.

If anyone wants to start a thread about Mormons, I'm not against it. Why would I be?

There isn't a European ethnic group, nationality, or subrace which hasn't been put under the magnifying glass at this forum, but we should be walking on eggshells when it comes to Italians?

If I was of Italian descent, the last thing I'd be doing is trying to deflect criticism of mafia scum or of those Italians that make a fortune pumping out anti-white propaganda from their perch in Hollywood. Can we think of any other ethnic groups that always close ranks to defend their own, no matter how well-founded the criticism or accusation?

[Mike Parker]

Originally Posted by Igor Alexander

There isn't a European ethnic group, nationality, or subrace which hasn't been put under the magnifying glass at this forum, but we should be walking on eggshells when it comes to Italians?

You're free to post and I'm free to comment. I just haven't seen you make the case that there's something in the Italian character that leads to the cozy relationship, as opposed to the reward structure that comes with jewish power. Compare Alex's points about Brits, based on specific cultural traits of theirs.

My own view is that Italians in politics are especially vulnerable to cynical jew appeals, such as the Ellis Island narrative. Also, many Italians in business are infected with the jews' resentful insurgent mentality, which rationalizes crime. But as with other groups, these are the few. The majority already hates the nigger, and needs to be told about the jew.

[Johnny James]

There are good and bad Italians. The general rule of thumb as with all things is that the swarthier they are, the worse.

[BreannaFand]

Originally Posted by balancedben

There's all sorts of races involved in porn. The Jews are the ones in control of most of it though.



so you're admitting that the southern europeans aren't pure? then there's nothing to save. they're already lost. if they're not pure white then they're not white. it's as simple as that. what's up with the double speak? why are we trying to blind ourselves from the obvious truth? i have a buddy who's parents are both from spain. that guy ain't white. he looks as arab as osama bin laden. i'm not saying this trying to be hateful. i'm calling a spade a spade.

No, some of them are pure and some are not. Have you ever been to Italy? If you have then you would agree with me. Why can't we save the pure people? Hitler admired Mussolini and Italy was Germany's ally. I would believe that the Brits and the French are cozier with the Jews than the Italians are.

[John Speaker]

Speaking as an "Italian American" (born in USA, grandparents from Italy, lived there for a few years, visit family every summer, etc etc), let me add:

First of all, I think it is a big misconception to think Italians and Jews have a cozy relationship. Rather, most Italians do not like Jews and will tell you to your face if you ask them, unlike most Protestant "whites" in America who will deny their true feelings. Italians have known Jews for too long to be fooled by their b.s., and jews know it, whereas as "whites" in America are new to the jews and haven't quite figured them out. So when a Jew talks to an Italian he knows very well what the Italian is thinking of him and it makes for a more honest and straightforward dialogue, the jew knowing he is not going to be able to lie and con his way through the conversation, which some may mistake for "coziness." Keep in mind that the Romans used to run the Jews, and Jews will sometimes have a grudging respect for Italians even if they hate us, which may also give an impression of coziness.

As for the movies, I don't think the porn industry is run by Italians. I live in the belly of the beast as it were in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. This is the heart of the porn industry in the USA. Surprisingly, the industry is pretty much run by maybe 5 or so bigwigs, and I think all of them are Jewish. I actually know two of them, and both are Jews; the owner of Vivid, for example, is a Jew. It is also very competitive which leads to consolidation and corporatism. There was a surge in "mom and pop" porn businesses when the internet first came out, but most of these either died off or were bought up and now function as parts of a much larger conglomerate. I think the opportunities for the mafia and porn are long gone.

Regarding mainstream movies, there are a lot of Italians in them b/c theater, the arts, and music are more important in Italian life than in many other cultures, especially in America with its puritanical streak. Pretty much every home in Italy has a piano, people sing a lot, having a good voice is looked upon favorably and is not something to be embarrassed about and is not considered faggy, etc. You find the same thing with the English and their love of theater, and the country has a major tradition in theater, which is why the island produces so many excellent actors. Again, they move here because here is where the opportunities are. Many Italians thrive in the music and movies b/c it appeals to their souls. And Jews happen to be in charge of the industry today. They won't always be in charge of it. But no matter who is in charge of it, Italians will be highly visible b/c they love the arts. So I think when people say the movie business is full of jews and Italians, they are only witnessing a snapshot of the arts at a certain place and time. If tomorrow the Irish or the Russians or the English dominated the financial side of the industry, you would still see loads of Italians in the credits.

Italy has a pretty large cinematic tradition in its own right. Not to mention its music, painting, architecture, etc. Italians love the arts. I think it is something that simply has to be accepted and not analyzed. It would be like analyzing why dogs bark and not meow.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Igor Alexander

The porn industry is run by jews -- and Italians. The second most prominent ethnic group in the Hollywood film industry after jews is Italians. The Italian mafia and jewish mob seem to have had a symbiotic relationship over the years.

How many Italians are in porn today? I doubt very many. They may have been in it in the pre-Internet days. The difference is that Italians got into porn as one of a number of profitable vice outlets. They got into it for the money. Jews got into porn not just for the money but because they believe that porn destroys gentile lives, thereby reducing anti-Semitism.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

How many Italians are in porn today? I doubt very many. They may have been in it in the pre-Internet days. The difference is that Italians got into porn as one of a number of profitable vice outlets. They got into it for the money. Jews got into porn not just for the money but because they believe that porn destroys gentile lives, thereby reducing anti-Semitism.

That may be true, but it's not what I was getting at.

The point is that jews operate a closed shop -- they would never let any WASPs in. But they don't seem to mind working with Italians, or letting Italians in to some extent. Why?

As far as porn after the Internet, well, a question to ask might be whether any specific group now controls pornography. If a woman wants to set up a webcam in her bedroom and charge people to watch it, what's to stop her?

Despite this, someone still owns and manages these companies that put porn on the shelves of your local videostore, or put dirty magazines on newsstands. Is there any evidence that jews have a total monopoly on those companies, and that Italians are completely out of it? I'm still, even today, seeing Italian names attached to some of these things.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Igor Alexander

If anyone wants to start a thread about Mormons, I'm not against it. Why would I be?

There isn't a European ethnic group, nationality, or subrace which hasn't been put under the magnifying glass at this forum, but we should be walking on eggshells when it comes to Italians?

This thread makes me wonder about your motives. First, you haven't come within a mile of proving your case. Second, there have in fact been many threads like this on here. Going by the simplest explanation is the likeliest, the thread was designed to drive wedges.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Mike Parker

You're free to post and I'm free to comment. I just haven't seen you make the case that there's something in the Italian character that leads to the cozy relationship, as opposed to the reward structure that comes with jewish power. Compare Alex's points about Brits, based on specific cultural traits of theirs.

My own view is that Italians in politics are especially vulnerable to cynical jew appeals, such as the Ellis Island narrative. Also, many Italians in business are infected with the jews' resentful insurgent mentality, which rationalizes crime. But as with other groups, these are the few. The majority already hates the nigger, and needs to be told about the jew.

Italians are no worse than WASPs or Irish Catholics. For every lying neocon like Giuliani, you can find eighteen Dick Cheneys (whatever ethnicity he is). For every Mario Cuomo, there's probably ten Ted Kennedys.

Some Italians and jews look more alike, as many of them are Mediterranean peoples. But Italians are not generally destructive, as jews are. Sure, they have silly subcultures like the Jersey Shore crew, but they're not destroying the country. They like their own, and they stick to it. So what?

Another aspect of it, relating to movies and media, is the east coast thing. The jews who founded Hollywood came from the east coast. Most of the big names on late night tv have writing crews, and these crews are made up of people from the Ivy league. Most of the writers are jews, and if they're not jews they're usually Irish (think Conan O'Brien, who began as a comedy writer at Harvard, then became tv writer in Hollywood), and if they're not Irish they're Italian. Irish and Italians are more city people than Germans and English types, so many of them will have the same mentality. So they might not be total insiders like the jews who own and run Hollywood, but they are likelier to share a mentality than rural or Southern Whites from "flyover" country. Plenty of brainwashed semi-elite coastal whites believe that whites in the interior are evil, potentially dangerous, always discriminating racists.

[Alex Linder]

The Italian mentality was put forward in The Sopranos. Why were the floodgates opened to Southern/Eastern Europe? Well, we here know the reason for that from jew POV. But the other reason is because the ruling Anglos wanted to get rich off them. So, the Italians then were like Mexicans today. And of course, like Mexicans today, those Italians were well aware that while they were needed, they weren't loved, or even necessarily respected. So they made sure they took care of themselves. It was more difficult for them to integrate or assimilate than those from Germany or Britain, who looked more like the natives.

From the Mediterranean point of view, the pink-and-blue northerners are, while in some ways impressive, in other ways they aren't (ie, not knowing how to cook or live).

[John Speaker]

Originally Posted by Igor Alexander

That may be true, but it's not what I was getting at.

The point is that jews operate a closed shop -- they would never let any WASPs in. But they don't seem to mind working with Italians, or letting Italians in to some extent. Why?

As far as porn after the Internet, well, a question to ask might be whether any specific group now controls pornography. If a woman wants to set up a webcam in her bedroom and charge people to watch it, what's to stop her?

Despite this, someone still owns and manages these companies that put porn on the shelves of your local videostore, or put dirty magazines on newsstands. Is there any evidence that jews have a total monopoly on those companies, and that Italians are completely out of it? I'm still, even today, seeing Italian names attached to some of these things.

I know pretty much for a fact that the "heavyweights" in the porn industry are Jewish, at least here in California. But the founder of Penthouse, for example, was an Italian fellow.

I would not be surprised to find Armenians and Russian types in the porn business or affiliated with it in some way. In Los Angeles, they are the powers behind most the strip clubs and prostitution.

[John Speaker]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The Italian mentality was put forward in The Sopranos. Why were the floodgates opened to Southern/Eastern Europe? Well, we here know the reason for that from jew POV. But the other reason is because the ruling Anglos wanted to get rich off them. So, the Italians then were like Mexicans today. And of course, like Mexicans today, those Italians were well aware that while they were needed, they weren't loved, or even necessarily respected. So they made sure they took care of themselves. It was more difficult for them to integrate or assimilate than those from Germany or Britain, who looked more like the natives.

From the Mediterranean point of view, the pink-and-blue northerners are, while in some ways impressive, in other ways they aren't (ie, not knowing how to cook or live).

Not exactly. Italians that came to America (Ellis Island era) tended to have trades, be it bricklaying, machinists, farming, food production, etc. It was more a combination of coming to America to make money in the land of opportunity. That may have been the "American perspective," to get these people over here to make money off of them, but from the other end it was a chance to make some money in a big marketplace. And an adventure. Italy was poor at the time. Especially in the south. So if someone comes along and says, hey you can make a million dollars if you sail to America to sell your salami or your wine or your ice cream, they went. Or they need brick layers in Boston, so boom, you pack up and go. This concept of Americans "exploiting" gullible foreigners, say a bunch of dirt poor Sicilians, is really more of a modern corruption of what really went on and plays into the Marxist boilerplate that permeates the "immigrant" storyline. It takes two to tango. Italians were not exploited. They were given opportunities. If Italians ever for one second felt they were being exploited, either they figure a way to get ahead or they go home. Italians have too much pride to be taken advantage of again and again. And since they ended up loving America for the most part, it tells me they were treated just fine. You don't hear them bellyaching about how rotten America treated them, do you? I never have and I am one of them. I never heard any of my family complain about a thing.

As for the pink skin blue eyed thing, that does not pass the sniff test. For example, I see more blondes and blue eyes in Italy than in England. Half my family has blue eyes come to think about it. I don't but my dad does, my paternal grandfather did, my maternal grandmother, etc. Rather, what Italians tend to think about people from northern Europe is that they are cold. It has little to do with skin color.

And you have to understand that even if poor, there is 1000s of years of history even in Sicily. I mean, churches, civilizations that have come and gone, centuries of trade, etc. I mean these people were not from the backwoods where they could be easily exploited. In fact, they probably could teach a thing or two to Americans about business. Many of them did. So you cannot compare them to Mexicans just b/c both come from dirt poor places. Mexico is only a few hundred years old and your typical mexican is an indian with no recorded history and no background in reading and written words, etc.

To make a long story short, at best Mexicans are the poor man's Italian. Not to say Guidos are cool. But generally speaking. There is just enough similarity for people to make some superficial comparisons, but other than that.... I think the reason people today bring up Italians is because they are trying to con people into thinking "If the Italians could do it (i.e. assimilate) then certainly the Mexicans can, I mean they are basically the same...." It's some liberal Marxist nonsense to justify the immigration policy.

[Igor Alexander]

Originally Posted by John Speaker

First of all, I think it is a big misconception to think Italians and Jews have a cozy relationship. Rather, most Italians do not like Jews and will tell you to your face if you ask them,

I didn't say jews and Italians are friendly, I said they are cozy. There's a difference. I've never been under the impression that Italians have some great love of jews.

Are Italians anti-jewish? Maybe in a pedestrian, Catholic sort of way, but it doesn't go much beyond that. My Sicilian next-door neighbor can talk shit about jews one second and the next be having them over for a dinner party. That's what I'm talking about -- they're cozy.

(BTW, when the character in the movie clip someone posted earlier says "Sicilians are the world's greatest liars," he isn't joking.)

Originally Posted by John Speaker

unlike most Protestant "whites" in America who will deny their true feelings.

Why the "whites" in quotation marks? You got some hostility towards WASPs?

I've seen more Italians that weren't by any stretch of the imagination white than I have WASPs, in case your quotation marks were meant to denote that Italians are whiter.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Italians have known Jews for too long to be fooled by their b.s., and jews know it, whereas as "whites" in America are new to the jews and haven't quite figured them out.

That's just plain silly. When Richard Nixon said on the phone to Billy Graham that the jewish stranglehold on the mass media had to be broken or the country was going to go down the drain, was that an indication of their not being jew wise?

What has Italy ever done that would indicate it knows how to handle jews better than anyone else?

Originally Posted by John Speaker

So when a Jew talks to an Italian he knows very well what the Italian is thinking of him and it makes for a more honest and straightforward dialogue, the jew knowing he is not going to be able to lie and con his way through the conversation, which some may mistake for "coziness."

You've just made an important point, one that I'd been thinking but wasn't planning to say out loud. Jews and Italians are cozy with each other because they have a cultural affinity. They are alike. They think alike. They operate in similar ways. They may not like each other, but they understand each other, and can work together on that basis.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Keep in mind that the Romans used to run the Jews, and Jews will sometimes have a grudging respect for Italians even if they hate us, which may also give an impression of coziness.

It's not an impression of coziness; what you've just described is coziness.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

As for the movies, I don't think the porn industry is run by Italians. I live in the belly of the beast as it were in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. This is the heart of the porn industry in the USA. Surprisingly, the industry is pretty much run by maybe 5 or so bigwigs, and I think all of them are Jewish. I actually know two of them, and both are Jews; the owner of Vivid, for example, is a Jew. It is also very competitive which leads to consolidation and corporatism. There was a surge in "mom and pop" porn businesses when the internet first came out, but most of these either died off or were bought up and now function as parts of a much larger conglomerate. I think the opportunities for the mafia and porn are long gone.

Of course, if Italians did still have some involvement with it, you might deny it because you're Italian.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Regarding mainstream movies, there are a lot of Italians in them b/c theater, the arts, and music are more important in Italian life than in many other cultures, especially in America with its puritanical streak.

I was expecting someone to make that argument, and it is of course bullshit (and self-serving bullshit, at that).

Italians are no more artistic or creative than any other nationality or ethnic group. If you look at the UK, it's obvious Anglo-Saxons are capable of making excellent films.

D.W. Griffith was a WASP. There was no more room for any D.W. Griffiths in Hollywood once the jews took control of it. However, there was room for the Frank Capras et al. That's what I'm getting at here.

Your argument is essentially no different than the jews claiming they run Hollywood because they're better at it than everyone else. If you believe that, then you're no friend of mine.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Pretty much every home in Italy has a piano,

Sure, no pianos or music anywhere else, only in Italy.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

people sing a lot, having a good voice is looked upon favorably and is not something to be embarrassed about and is not considered faggy, etc.

Is having a good voice considered faggy anywhere else?

Originally Posted by John Speaker

You find the same thing with the English and their love of theater, and the country has a major tradition in theater, which is why the island produces so many excellent actors.

It's funny how every single argument you raise against what I've said actually does nothing but bolster my case.

If Anglo-Saxons have a love and tradition of theater, then in a country which is (or at least was) majority Anglo-Saxon, we should be seeing more of them in important positions in the movie industry and fewer Italians.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Again, they move here because here is where the opportunities are. Many Italians thrive in the music and movies b/c it appeals to their souls. And Jews happen to be in charge of the industry today.

Anglo-Saxons have music and movies in their souls too. However, Anglo-Saxons don't appear to be given the opportunities within the jewish monopoly that is Hollywood that Italians are. That is the only issue that was raised here and you keep dodging it, exactly as jews do when confronted about their media monopoly.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

They won't always be in charge of it. But no matter who is in charge of it, Italians will be highly visible b/c they love the arts.

Not any more than any other European nationality/ethnicity, including WASPs.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

So I think when people say the movie business is full of jews and Italians, they are only witnessing a snapshot of the arts at a certain place and time.

At least you're not denying that it's true, unlike a previous poster.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

If tomorrow the Irish or the Russians or the English dominated the financial side of the industry, you would still see loads of Italians in the credits.

But it wouldn't be because they have more talent. It would only be because they have more experience, having held a privileged position within the jewish monopoly that is Hollywood.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Italy has a pretty large cinematic tradition in its own right.

That's another interesting question -- what is the nature of the relationship between the Italian film industry and Hollywood?

From what I've been able to discern, the Italian film industry is teeming with jews, communists, and sexual deviants.

Originally Posted by John Speaker

Not to mention its music, painting, architecture, etc. Italians love the arts. I think it is something that simply has to be accepted and not analyzed. It would be like analyzing why dogs bark and not meow.

You completely missed the point. I shouldn't have to repeat it here since I've already stated it several times throughout my post.