Joining a crew

[Gabriel Braun]

Originally Posted by Robert Ransdell

Taken interest in this discussion partly because I think the subject is important in determining how we are to build a force to counter our enemies, on all levels, and because the OP is actually in close proximity to where I am.

Your comment I quoted is correct to a large extent, no matter what the presentation is pro-White ideals will always be painted as evil and "wrong-headed" by the enemy. However it also must be said that the stereotypical skinhead presentation is far less likely to be receptive to the White population overall. While they still are timid when faced with being accused of being "racist", while they still remain silent while outrage after outrage goes on in this society that lays our people lower and lower. our people are more and more finding it harder to ignore conditions as they are, they recognize this system more and more as anti-White, and will in some times and places tend to agree with our beliefs and ideology.

Fact is they are much less likely to publically agree and support a group of people who really labor to be that negative stereotype of what being pro-White is about. Whether it be a group of skins, the KKK, or nationalists who wear nostalgic uniforms, the average White person, most of them, who may well be damn tired of Whites being blamed for everything, still will keep these people and groups at arms length and not publically support them in any manner.

Those who present themselves in a professional manner are more likely to have a measure of Whites publically support their efforts, we must be approachable, not literally scare away people who are beginning to find the courage to think beyond the system's brainwashing.

Now with that said, it must be stated that the occasion is very seldom where the "suit and tie" portion of the White nationalist movement is active in public, these folks for one reason or another rarely make the effort to put out there in the public eye the image that they say must be that of a professional and serious political movement. That is where I tend to have a large measure of respect for skinheads (by skinheads I refer to politically minded skinheads, not these people who are habitually in jail and who are drug dealers and thugs who adopt the skinhead moniker as a way to identify themselves in prison) the Klan and other such groups - they at least have the guts and courage and strength of convictions to get out there and make their views known.

These people, just like the suit and tie folks, have a sensitivity to the stench of this rotting society, they are sick of things as they are, and for this reason I think some measure of understanding, if not brotherhood, should be reserved between the two groups of Whites.

Rockwell spoke of the need to not only have the intellectuals involved in the struggle to save our folk, but also of the essential need to have the fighters, to have the folks who may not have the image or the education of the intellectuals but who are willing to lay it all on the line in our fight involved in the equation.

The leftists after all have their intellectual types and they have their people on the streets, more often they are united even though they may live differently in their day to day lives and they belong to different class levels economically.

These folks on our side, the guys who are rough around the edges perhaps, however must also be able to enter willingly into a program that stresses discipline and order. It is essential that we fight for what we believe in, but we also must think, and plan, and strategize in order for the fight to be won. Not all of these guys are going to be agreeable to this concept and some who are may well offer little to nothing to the movement at large. However I think it works against us to reject these people upon seeing or hearing from them.

I have an understanding that not all people who find WN have come to it on the same path as I or others who tend to identify with the "suit and tie" crowd. We have to appreciate the fact that these men and women who may be rough around the edges at least have the sensitivity to smell the stink of this decaying Jew pigpen and declare that they are sick and tired of it.

The suit and tie crowd may be able to help them with how they express their discontent, how to better use their energy, courage, and resolve to actually reach our people in a positive way, not simply vent their frustration and desire to be apart from the society.

And the skinhead guys and girls might be able to show something to the intellectual crowd, to show them that there needs to be more to WN than reading and writing books, that there is more than just posting stories and articles on the Internet forums, they might be able to show some of our people what courage looks like, or at least say "hey if you want a certain image out here in the streets then get out here and give it a go".

If we had thousands of the intellectuals and suit and tie folks out there then I would probably be less tolerant of the groups who conform to the media stereotypes in their presentation. They would be in many ways hurting the effort to alter the perception the White public has of WN, but until the suit and tie crowd establishes itself regularly in the public eye it must blame itself for not establishing the image it wants.

Like I said I have taken much time to ponder this subject, there are some who will always speak against WN having anything to do with skinheads and other similar groups of people, I can understand to an extent why they have the opinion they do and with most I think most who have that opinion are of the heartfelt opinion that it is really what is best for the movement. There are also some skinheads who have made their judgments of the suit and tie crowd as lacking balls and guts, some of this may be the first gut reaction toward being largely rejected by many WN in general.

I think we advance ourselves and advance the movement if we find a way to work together in times and places where it is possible. This takes a measure of compromise on both sides, one side would do well to tone down the way in which they present the pro-White message and not be offended in doing this, the other side would do well to not look down on the other group because they may come from a different background or they may have taken a path to WN that left them a little rough around the edges.

One thing we cannot compromise on is the exclusion of anyone who spouts off at the mouth about committing acts of violent illegality or who actually commits acts of violent illegality, this is something I think it is fair to say has in the past been committed by skinheads and Klan folks and probably is the main reason the intellectual crowd is inclined to steer clear and condemn them.

I know the SWA was mentioned, the head of that group is in my area, north of Louisville. I could pass your information on to him, I don't stay in real close contact with him but I consider the man a comrade and friend and have been glad to have demonstrated with him on a number of occasions in the past.

I would even be willing to meet with you myself, especially with you being 19 years old I think you should be commended for emerging from this sick and diseased world with your instincts intact. There are enough Black-on-White crimes that take place in Louisville that deserve a proper response, maybe we can organize a demonstration or something at some point in the future, it all depends on what you are looking to accomplish and how you view yourself aiding this overall fight and struggle. I was down there last year during my campaign for Senate and staged a demonstration for a fellow who was beaten up by a group of Blacks, shame you didn't come on the site here before then.

By reading your posts I think you have represented yourself better as you have posted, your initial posts would have had me convinced you were just playing games or were not serious, so I would be open to allowing you to define yourself further.

Don't be discouraged by those who speak negatively of you, and don't even think they are bad people or negative people either for doing so. They aren't in most cases, they are just as fed up with things as they are as you are and they want to go about getting things straightened out. If they believe the skinhead image is a negative thing for our movement, respectively disagree with that viewpoint (as I said they have some reason to be wary) and work to redefine the way in which the image is portrayed.

At very least you should be proud to have been moved to fight for your race's interests and survival, many Whites are alienated from this Jewish world, not all find positive ways to counter it, most just cope and adjust, forsaking their race in the process, congratulations for not going in that direction.

Well said, brother. I appreciate your constructive criticism. But the thing is, most people, after ive sat down and explained my beliefs, agree with me on alot of it. They automatically assumed i was just blindly racist and had no real cause or beliefs to justify myself based on my appearance. I feel like appearance is secondary to being able to intelligently describe what your beliefs are, although appearance is definitley important. I'm just not the clean cut type. I am, as you say, rough around the edges. I basically let people know that i'm not perfect, and i try not to judge others because i know that im not, but the situation happening with white people as whole is very real, and we need more people who are willing to speak up and do something about it. I dont try to convince people to shave their heads, get tattoos, and walk around yelling white power, but i do my best to open their eyes to the plight of the white man. When people see that im not afraid to stick up for my own people and my own race, they're usually more open to voicing their own opinion. The fact that i'm a working class individual and not a high class rich guy (Note: I'm definitley not bashing the white collar folks: ANYBODY who is pro-white and legitimate about the movement i can consider a comrade) makes me more relatable to the common white man on the street. Also, youre definitley right about Louisville being a haven for black on white crime. I live in the downtown area across the river from Jeffersonville, and crime is rampant. Thank god nobody in my family has been murdered/assaulted/mugged yet. Atleast, not in this particular area.

That being said, i would definitley enjoy getting in contact and doing some activism. And im all for contacting the SWA, i've already emailed the president, but he hasnt responded, as im sure he gets thousands of emails. Thank you for the respectful feedback. I look forward to hearing from you again brother.

[EDLIE Stampton]

Originally Posted by albert999

Here is my best piece of advise,
Get in touch with this poster, he can set you up, and give you proper direction.
You are wasting your time with these posters, they don't sound interested in helping if they are verbally attacking you.

http://vnnforum.com/member.php?u=22771

He has all his contact info, and his real name, which makes him authentic.

.......................

[EDLIE Stampton]

Just about perfect @ Robert Ransdell.

I am a skinhead but I would be the first person to say that a gang of drunks running around like a bunch of excited teenagers dressed in the style of the jew version skinhead is only going to damage our race.

They don't seem to realise that skinhead has a wide range of attire including suits that should be deployed for the occasion.

Opposing nigger riots would be a good time for boots while knocking on doors and talking about mould in peoples bathroom and shit during an election would require a smarter dress code.
I have done both with a good degree of success with my election team getting me second place with 17% the best white nationalist vote in Britain beating the government who got 9%.

My problem with some so called white power skinheads is that they are not white power if they think doing drugs and having a piss up will save our race.
They are actually killing themselves and our race with their jew promoted dress code and degeneracy.

[Ray Allan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Please advise the actual alternative, right now, where we are?
The blacks are not protesting and rioting over WN, they are protesting and rioting over LE.
LE beat, fine, arrest, imprison and shoot them, shut down their illegal businesses, evict and deport them.
It's the LE and justice system that does this, that confiscates their goods etc. not WN.

The primary issue WN face is insufficient LE, particularly with regards to Jewish organised crime, and the behaviour of non-Whites.
Most problems we face would be solved if the existing laws, bylaws and regulations were enforced.
Getting them enforced in real life is more productive for any WN than any other activity.


Maybe you can share with us what WN are doing that makes WN more effective than the police now where we are.
Do the people where you live phone their local WN when they are experiencing crime, riots, domestic violence, road accidents, noise etc?




A new cop on his first day has the entire legal system, and resources of the state behind him.
Skinheads have nothing.



By going to work and doing their job, where if nothing else they are thereby keeping a non-White out of that job, ensuring that their area of government functioned properly, and ensuring that White taxation is used to pay White government.
Our problem is not people who do their jobs, but Jewish organised crime, where they and others they recruit abuse their positions to assist Jews destroy us.

The actual situation in real life is that Whites make up 2 out of 3 in the federal service, where the situation is the worst of the worst, and about 3 out of 4 in the police.
Whites are hired and employed in even greater percentages in the civil services outside the federal service, and even greater percentages where Whites are greater percentages.

Those Whites who focus on the financial fields and get their qualifications and experience, and avoid criminal records and bankruptcy, face very little difficulty, unless they have chosen to live in a predominantly non-White area, which is a choice with consequences.
Change the choice, change the consequences.
Don't break the law, stay solvent and sober, act and speak normally, and prudently, be qualified and you will not have any hindrances to speak of oputside those of normal competition.

Here is a map showing the exact racial composition across the entire US.
Informed choices are available.

http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/


As to state and race employment:







The civil service is the permanent government, and it implements policies, or not. The civil service is where WN most need to focus upon entering and recruiting, as it would be through the civil service that WN policies were implemented.
Internet forums are for discussion, to make any change actual activities in real life need to take place.



Very, if they are adults, just as WN are that work outside government.



So you are not focused upon the Jews, but upon eliminating the two thirds to three quarters of the government that is White.



A centralised government, in a one party socialist state, with only one politicaL party allowed, and power concentrated into one man, is thus your way forward?
The Jews implemented that very system in the USSR and some 70 communist and socialist governments across the world for over half a century.
How has that worked out for the Whites in those countries?

How has all of the above worked out for Whites in your country to take it back from the jews and the niggers?

[Alyss]

Originally Posted by albert999

Here is my best piece of advise,
Get in touch with this poster, he can set you up, and give you proper direction.
You are wasting your time with these posters, they don't sound interested in helping if they are verbally attacking you.

http://vnnforum.com/member.php?u=22771

He has all his contact info, and his real name, which makes him authentic.

He is legit and very intelligent Skinhead.

[albert999]

Originally Posted by Alyss

He is legit and very intelligent Skinhead.

He is, I didn't post my personal reservations, because we have some bad ones here in California that run meth labs.

So he does need to be careful and find the good ones.

They do tend to come from very poor families.

[albert999]

Originally Posted by Alyss

He is legit and very intelligent Skinhead.

I think some posters are confused on what he was asking?

He already made up his mind about joining the Skinheads that was apparent.

He wasn't asking what our opinions were on the Skinheads.

He was asking how to find them.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Ray Allan

How has all of the above worked out for Whites in your country to take it back from the jews and the niggers?

My focus is the megacity where my family lives and I live much of the year, which is in effect a city state, with a population larger than many states.
It works well where it is implemented, thus I recommend it.
The infrastructure, local economy, crime are all within reasonable bounds, and improving.
It has increasingly effective disaster and EMS management, and increasingly autonomous water, and energy supplies. Autonomy and self sufficiency, or the potential for them, particularly with regard to water, food and energy are
critical.

Outside the media bubble which speaks of the US/countries in Europe, as if they are actually still in existence as they were decades ago, the world has changed.
The country borders on maps show no resemblance to where the ethnic groups that created them live today. Large countries are breaking up along cultural, racial and ethnic lines.

The more places it gets implemented, the better.

If you can't fix up where you live, then attempting to move and focus outside that area is doomed to failure.

I travel a great deal for work, mostly to third world countries, often for very prolonged periods, and the pot has boiled over.

I work in the mining industry, and most mines are self sufficient for most things, and thus what I speak about is also based on how in the middle of nowhere, or of absolute chaos, mines thrive, and how inside these oases modern life and modern work is carried out.

Until recently the remaining colonial infrastructure was sufficient to provide the critical mass of essential services, and for subsistence farming to take place. That has now mostly collapsed, farming is collapsing, distribution systems are collapsing, famine is rife, epidemics are horrific, and massive migrations have started.
Literally millions are beginning to roam and migrate out of the countryside, into the cities seeking the surviving colonial remnants of water and energy supplies to another, these steadily collapsing as they all flood in by their millions.

Disease and filth, civil war are the norm now, not the exception. All that changes is the intensity. Cities are now mostly divided along/controlled along ethnic lines, and beginning to war with each other.

The only cities that still function relatively normally, are those located at deepwater harbours.

This will result in immense migrations of tens of millions focused on one thing, survival of non-Whites depends on their getting to where the Whites are, and being allowed in.

US WN is past the stage where it had time, there is no more time.
Civil war is in the opening stages along the US borders, and soon the shootings will start.

The current black riots will be the norm in most cities, as the White tax base is now collapsing and inadequate to keep the blacks alive, and they realise they are going to die off without that White tax.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Gabriel Braun

Let me just drop everything and go to new mexico and join the border patrol.
Thanks for your insightful response.

Now you have the insight into yourself that you will not engage in violent struggle, that only leaves two other options, non-violent struggle or
doing nothing.

The most effective methods, are disintegrating the pillars of support for the current regime, and preparing the groundwork for a parallel then replacement government. There cannot be a WN government unless WN can become and run that government.

The best methods to disintegrate the pillars of support of the opponent are via boycotts, sanctions and strikes, using psychological, economic and political tools.
The primary pillar of support our opponents rely on is White taxation, which funds all their other pillars of support.
Reducing and relocating white taxation e.g.businesses and Whites relocating, restructuring are thus the most important actions.
Globally, US troops in Europe being removed from Europe would free Europe from Jewish control.
Working to get US troops withdrawn from Europe is thus a primary activity with regards to the military.

How non-violent struggle works
http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/...d-Jan-2015.pdf

A guide to strategic planning for action to end a dictatorship or other oppression

http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/...Liberation.pdf

With regards to organising non violent regime change, a man involved with close to a dozen

9:15 onwards
http://www.aeinstein.org/nva/198-met...iolent-action/
http://www.aforcemorepowerful.org/re...nt/methods.php

Chinese HTSAR - YouTube

Chinese HTSAR - YouTube

[M.N. Dalvez]

2 of the Aussie skins did time in the protection yard? One for talking to cops, the other for raping other prisoners.

Who are you talking about, Dane Sweetman?

I literally cannot think of a single skinhead in Australia who's been anything but a complete laughing stock - usually an alcoholic and brain-damaged one. I wish it weren't true. But it is.

(I defy any Australian here on VNN to name a single skinhead who doesn't fit the above description.)

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by M.N. Dalvez

Who are you talking about, Dane Sweetman?

I literally cannot think of a single skinhead in Australia who's been anything but a complete laughing stock - usually an alcoholic and brain-damaged one. I wish it weren't true. But it is.

(I defy any Australian here on VNN to name a single skinhead who doesn't fit the above description.)

Yes, Sweetman was given a choice, go into the protection yard or be executed by other prisoners. Patrick O`Sullivan was in the protection yard because he is basically an informer. He not only signed a statement against former NA leader Michael Brander, but Pat is also linked to David Palmer and Peter Coleman, both suspected of helping the then Howard govt of bringing down One Nation Party. At the time Pat was working with Coleman. Apparently Pat later withdrew the statement but the damage was done, he had proved beyond all doubt that he will happily roll over and talk to the cops.
The Aussie skins are their own worst enemy.

[Aussie WN]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Yes, Sweetman was given a choice, go into the protection yard or be executed by other prisoners. Patrick O`Sullivan was in the protection yard because he is basically an informer. He not only signed a statement against former NA leader Michael Brander, but Pat is also linked to David Palmer and Peter Coleman, both suspected of helping the then Howard govt of bringing down One Nation Party. At the time Pat was working with Coleman. Apparently Pat later withdrew the statement but the damage was done, he had proved beyond all doubt that he will happily roll over and talk to the cops.
The Aussie skins are their own worst enemy.

This is true

[M.N. Dalvez]

The Aussie skins are their own worst enemy.

I don't know how much you know about the skinheads over West, whether they were 'Indo' Jack van Tongeren's ANM (who made 2 major appearances before van Tongeren was exiled to the Eastern states in the 2000's) or C18, but they largely fit the same pattern as the skinheads in Melbourne appear to.

They were basically criminals with a very thin veneer of pro-White politics.

Lots of talking out of school, talking indiscreetly to people they shouldn't be talking to about things they shouldn't be discussing with outsiders.

Lots of drunken foolishness. (I've said it before and I'll say it again - immoderate drunkenness has been one of the main banes of pro-White politics all over the world for my entire lifetime.)

Lots of rolling over on each other when the law inevitably caught up with them.

It's all on the public record, mind you, so no-one should take my word on any of this.

One Nation Party

I do know a lot of former AFP people joined up with Aunty Pauline and One Nation, and that AFP was pretty unhappy about it.

It'd be difficult to call ON a full-on WN party, but at that time, they were the best chance we had in Australia.

[Alyss]

Originally Posted by albert999

He is, I didn't post my personal reservations, because we have some bad ones here in California that run meth labs.

So he does need to be careful and find the good ones.

They do tend to come from very poor families.

Yeah... That is the truth.

Hitler also came from a poor family background, but he was very knowledgeable on Jews and their history. My opinion is Skinheads are a far cry away from 1930's NS / WN Germans, however, they do more than the average WN and brainwashed Whites.

[Alyss]

Originally Posted by albert999

I think some posters are confused on what he was asking?

He already made up his mind about joining the Skinheads that was apparent.

He wasn't asking what our opinions were on the Skinheads.

He was asking how to find them.

No worries

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by Alyss

My opinion is Skinheads are a far cry away from 1930's NS / WN Germans, however, they do more than the average WN and brainwashed Whites.

Can you explain what this well known Melbourne Skin was doing in Afghanistan working for the jews
http://www.smh.com.au/national/victo...322-1c58u.html
An Australian Skinhead is in a non white country helping the jew maintain their control of the global heroin trade. What is it with Aussie Skins and their fascination for non white countries? These people are not WN/NS, they just love the image. The fact that so many of Australia's skinheads are connected to the Australia First Party should tell people that the Aussie skins have no problem taking orders from non whites

[Alyss]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Can you explain what this well known Melbourne Skin was doing in Afghanistan working for the jews
http://www.smh.com.au/national/victo...322-1c58u.html
An Australian Skinhead is in a non white country helping the jew maintain their control of the global heroin trade. What is it with Aussie Skins and their fascination for non white countries? These people are not WN/NS, they just love the image. The fact that so many of Australia's skinheads are connected to the Australia First Party should tell people that the Aussie skins have no problem taking orders from non whites

Same with the average non skinhead whites that convert to Islam and terrorism.

[albert999]

Originally Posted by John Adams

Can you explain what this well known Melbourne Skin was doing in Afghanistan working for the jews
http://www.smh.com.au/national/victo...322-1c58u.html
An Australian Skinhead is in a non white country helping the jew maintain their control of the global heroin trade. What is it with Aussie Skins and their fascination for non white countries? These people are not WN/NS, they just love the image. The fact that so many of Australia's skinheads are connected to the Australia First Party should tell people that the Aussie skins have no problem taking orders from non whites

I don't why you are singling

out Australia, we have the Aryan brotherhood in California, and they have half native Americans in their prison gang and are not fully pro-white themselves. Their enterprise is about making money.

One of them has a swastika on one arm and a star of David on the other arm, because his step dad was Jewish that raised him.

[albert999]

I think what Alyss is trying to convey is that the standard WN are middle class with families and nice homes, they are not physically pro-active like a lower class whites because they don't have a damn thing to lose.
They don't have to worry about the government confiscating their homes because they don't own homes.
The IRS has no power over them, because their money is all cash made underground.
No bank accounts to attach.

[John Adams]

Originally Posted by albert999

I don't why you are singling

out Australia,

As an Australian, it gives me the shits when idiots such as Alyss keep ranting on about how WN/NS the Aussie skins are when in truth they are just a small group of wanna be street thugs who have never done anything for our race