Turkey shoots down Russian jet.

[cillian]

Turkmen terrorist US armed moderate opposition holding war trophy of murdered russian pilot's parachute killed in war crime attack.

[Ironguard1940]

Yes, what a wonderful world Kennedy and Khruschev preserved.

I say to HELL with it, ☢NUKE 'EM!!!☢

[cillian]

Originally Posted by Robbie Key

approximately three White Russians killed in Syria thanks to the Turk filth.

One Dead as Russian Mi-8 Helicopter Attacked During Rescue Mission in Syria

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21:03 24.11.2015 (updated 21:26 24.11.2015) Get short URL

A Russian Mi-8 helicopter came under attack while conducting a search and rescue operation in Syria, one naval infantry soldier is reported killed and the aircraft also received damage.

The Russian General Staff said that two Mi-8s were involved in the operation to save the crew of the downed Su-24.

The helicopter is reported to have been shot down, its crew evacuated to the Russian base at Hmeymim.

"A search and rescue operation involving two Mi-8 helicopters was carried out, charged with evacuating the pilots from the landing site. During the operation, as a result of small-arms fire, one of the helicopters was damaged, and forced to make a landing on neutral territory. One naval infantry soldier was killed," Lieutenant-General Sergei Rudskoi, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, told reporters on Tuesday.

http://sputniknews.com/world/2015112...ia-russia.html

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[cillian]

Video of russian soldiers being shot as they parachuted from plane.

(UNCUT) Turkey, Al Nusra & ISIS Shoot Down Russian Warplane Jet Capture & Kill Pilot

(UNCUT) Turkey, Al Nusra & ISIS Shoot Down Russian Warplane Jet Capture & Kill Pilot

LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels shoot at Russian pilot from downed SU-24

LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels shoot at Russian pilot from downed SU-24

[procopius]

US-backed forces have right to self-defense, but others do not - State Department


http://www.vnnforum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1950712

Turkey and the rebels it backs northern Syria had the right to defend themselves against Russian airstrikes, State Department spokesman told reporters. The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot who ejected from the jet hit by a Turkish missile.

During the regular press briefing, Mark Toner said the Syrian government did not have such a right, though.

When asked by RT's Gayane Chichakyan if the State Department considered the rebels who reportedly killed the Russian pilots "moderates," Toner replied:

"We’ve seen conflicting reports. One pilot may not have been killed. If these ‘Turkomen’ were actually being attacked by Russian strikes, they have every right to defend themselves.”

AP's diplomatic correspondent Matt Lee asked a follow up question.

"Doesn’t that apply to everyone, not just rebels backed by West? Including the Assad regime?"

What the Assad regime was doing "is not self-defense," Toner countered, arguing that the government in Damascus responded to "peaceful protests with four years of terror."

When other reporters questioned his description of the Syrian conflict as a "peaceful protest," Toner brushed them off by saying that "everyone in this room knows what happened."

Toner repeated several times that Washington stood by Turkey as a NATO ally, and its "right to protect its sovereign airspace”, while refusing to comment on the specifics of this morning's downing of a Russian jet because, by his admission, he had no details yet.

The State Department spokesman confirmed the US was supplying TOW missiles – seen in a video purportedly showing the rebels destroying a Russian search-and-rescue helicopter – to the "moderates" in northern Syria who were supposedly battling Islamic State forces.

Another revelation at the briefing on Tuesday was that the "de-confliction" mechanism established between the US and Russia last month to avoid clashes in the skies over Syria did not apply to any other members of the US-led coalition.

[cillian]

LiveLeak.com - Lt Gen Sergei Rudskoy made declaration on Turkish AirForce attack on Russian Su-24. Eng. Subs.

LiveLeak.com - Lt Gen Sergei Rudskoy made declaration on Turkish AirForce attack on Russian Su-24. Eng. Subs.

tl;dr version: Russian bombers will be escorted by fighter jets, operations will continue, and "contancts with Turkey will be terminated at the military level".

[Dawn Cannon]

Despite blatant provocation, Russia must continue toward the finish line.

November 24, 2015 (Tony Cartalucci - NEO) - With cameras rolling, Turkey has claimed it has shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft.

The escalation is "long feared" not because the Turkish government actually fears that Russian warplanes crossing their border pose a threat to it or its people, but because Russia has ended NATO's proxy war, a proxy war spearheaded in part by Turkey itself, amid Russia's joint military operations with Syria against the self-proclaimed "Islamic State" (ISIS) and supporting terrorist factions.

In addition to having a camera rolling as the plane went down in flames, terrorists operating in region had allegedly surrounded the dead pilot shortly after the incident according to Reuters.

While Turkey maintains that it was only reacting in self-defense - it was against a nation's planes that it knew had no intention of attacking its territory - and what looks like instead was Turkey targeting planes operating along reoccurring routes and shooting one down once the pieces were in place to maximize the event politically.

For Russia's part, it claims its plane had not even entered Turkish territory which would reveal Turkey's actions as an outright act of war.

Russia Continues Toward the Finish Line

In recent weeks with Russian air support, Syrian troops have retaken large swaths of territory from ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorist fighters. The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has even begun approaching the Euphrates River east of Aleppo, which would effectively cut off ISIS from its supply lines leading out of Turkish territory.

From there, Syrian troops would move north, into the very "safe zone" the US and its Turkish partners have long-sought but have so far failed to establish within Syria's borders. This "safe zone" includes a region of northern Syrian stretching from Jarabulus near the west bank of the Euphrates to Afrin and Ad Dana approximately 90-100 kilometers west.


Once Syrian troops retake this territory, the prospect of the West ever making an incursion into Syria, holding territory, or compromising Syria's territorial integrity would be lost forever. Western ambitions toward regime change in Damascus would be indefinitely suspended.

The endgame is at hand, and only the most desperate measures can hope to prevent Russia and Syria from finally securing Syria's borders. Turkey's provocation is just such a measure.

Russia's time, place, and method of retaliating against Turkey is something only the Kremlin will know. But Russia's actions upon the international stage have been so far thoroughly thought out, allowing Moscow to outmaneuver the West at every juncture and in the wake of every Western provocation.

For Turkey's government - one that has been consistent only in its constant failure regarding its proxy war against its neighbor Syria, who has been caught planning false flag provocations to trigger wider and more direct war in Syria, and whose government is now exposed and widely known to be directly feeding, not fighting ISIS - the prospect of Russian retaliation against it, either directly or indirectly, and in whatever form will leave it increasingly isolated.

Until then, Russia's best bet is to simply continue winning the war. Taking the Jarabulus-Afrin corridor and fortifying it against NATO incursions while cutting off ISIS and other terrorist factions deeper within Syria would be perhaps the worst of all possible retaliations. With Syria secured, an alternative arc of influence will exist within the Middle East, one that will inevitably work against Saudi and other Persian Gulf regimes' efforts in Yemen, and in a wider sense, begin the irreversible eviction of Western hegemony from the region.

The West, already being pushed out of Asia by China, will suffer immeasurably as the world dismantles its unipolar international order, region by region.

As in the game of chess, a player often seeks to provoke their opponent into a series of moves. The more emotional their opponent becomes, the easier it is to control the game as it unfolds. Likewise in geopolitics and war, emotions can get one killed, or, be channeled by reason and superior strategic thinking into a plan that satisfies short-term requirements but serves long-term objectives. Russia has proven time and time again that it is capable of striking this balance and now, more than ever, it must prove so again.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/...ct-of-war.html

[Ramsay Bolton]

[cillian]

Now Israel is getting involved in Syria, attacking Hezbolla fighters loyal to Assad.

Israeli fighter jets have carried out airstrikes in Syria against Hezbollah and forces loyal to the Assad regime, Syrian activists claimed.

“After several hours of reconnaissance flights above the area, Israeli planes suddenly launched two raids on a joint Assad forces and Hezbollah position in the Ras al-Maara mountains,” Al Souria Net reported.

Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based Shiite terror group that has pledged its loyalty to the Iranian regime, has worked in concert with the Syrian government to help President Bashar al-Assad retain his tyrannical rule. The group is a sworn enemy of the State of Israel, often pledging to eliminate the country and exterminate its Jewish inhabitants.

“This was immediately followed by a third raid that targeted a position in the Qara mountains,” the Al Souria report added. “The Israeli planes resumed their attacks with a fourth air raid after several minutes, targeting a Hezbollah position in western Qalamoun’s Flita Mountains.”

The report claims that the IAF fighter jet strikes resulted in the deaths of eight Hezbollah militants and five members of Assad’s Syrian Armed Forces.

“They also injured dozens [of regime and Hezbollah members], who were rushed to the Yabrud National Hospital. Four critical cases were also transferred to Nabk Hospital,” the report added, according to a translation by Now Lebanon.

Another opposition group reported on its Twitter feed Monday evening that Israeli planes had entered Syrian airspace.

An IDF spokesperson told Breitbart Jerusalem the army would not provide a statement on the matter.

Israel rarely confirms or denies overseas operations as a matter of policy. However, Jerusalem has continuously warned against weapons convoys transferring advanced armaments through Syria and into Hezbollah-held territory. Israeli leaders, such as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have pledged not to let advanced weapons falls into the hands of regional terror groups.

Since the Syrian civil war broke out, several reports have come out related to Israeli air raids on Hezbollah, Iranian, and Syrian targets.

However, while the reported Israeli activity in Syria was occurring, Jerusalem did confirm that its fighter jets struck Hamas-affiliated targets in the Gaza Strip late Monday, in retaliation for rocket fire from the Palestinian enclave earlier that morning.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...targets-syria/

[N.B. Forrest]

Until then, Russia's best bet is to simply continue winning the war. Taking the Jarabulus-Afrin corridor and fortifying it against NATO incursions while cutting off ISIS and other terrorist factions deeper within Syria would be perhaps the worst of all possible retaliations.

If Russia is indeed about to secure Syria's north & cut off the jews' head-cutting proxies, it would certainly explain such an incredibly dangerous provocation from the shitty Turks. Just like Churchill bombing Berlin & other German cities when the Luftwaffe was on the verge of winning the Battle of Britain by blinding the Brits by relentlessly attacking their Chain Home radar installations.

Hitler fell for it, leading to a catastrophic loss. Here's hoping Putin doesn't cave to domestic pressure & fall for the same desperate diversionary trick today. Instead, there are many slyly indirect ways to get revenge: "terror" attacks from "radicals"; fortuitousy sudden "heart attacks", etc.

That this foreign policy clusterfuck is taking place not in a gung-ho neo-cohen patriotard administration like that of Jorge Boosh but rather in the allegedly pussified peacenik one figureheaded by the monkey proves that there's not a dime's worth of difference between the wings of the kosher One Party.

[Ray Allan]

Originally Posted by cillian

Video of russian soldiers being shot as they parachuted from plane.

(UNCUT) Turkey, Al Nusra & ISIS Shoot Down Russian Warplane Jet Capture & Kill Pilot

LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels shoot at Russian pilot from downed SU-24

If this happened to an American ZOGbot aviator (and it could very easily happen), every neo-cohen chickenhawk psychopath from John McCain on down would be screaming to nuke Moscow.

[Cale Sparks]

Originally Posted by Crowe

The Zionists have made it clear that they will not allow Assad to remain in power, regardless of the costs.

Hillary Clinton is the foremost Israel-Firster;

"Right now I’m afraid President Putin is actually making things somewhat worse. Now, to be clear, though, there is an important role for Russian to help in resolving the conflict in Syria, and we have indicated a willingness to work with them toward an outcome that preserves Syria as a unitary nonsectarian state with protections for the rights of all Syrians, and to keep key state institutions intact. There is no alternative to a political transition that allows Syrians to end Assad’s rule."

Hillary Clinton on Jewish power and Jewish values ("American" power and "Our" values);

"To impose the toughest sanctions in history on Iran, to stop a dictator from slaughtering his people in Libya, to support a fledgling democracy in Afghanistan, we have to use every pillar of American power—military, and diplomacy; development, and economic, and cultural influence; technology, and, maybe most importantly, our values. That is smart power. We have to work with institutions and partners like NATO, the EU, the Arab League, and the U.N., strengthen our alliances and never get tired of old-fashioned, shoe-leather diplomacy. And if necessary, be prepared to act decisively on our own, just as we did to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. The United States and our allies must demonstrate that free people and free markets are still the hope of humanity."

Hillary Clinton reaches an understanding with her husband;

"Look, I don’t think it’s useful to go back and re-plow old ground."

http://www.cfr.org/radicalization-an...c-state/p37266

(from the article, below)

As far as this incident pertains to U.S. politics, it should pose some difficult questions for the 2016 presidential candidates who favor deepened American involvement in the Syrian conflict and the establishment of a no-fly zone over Syria. This is the position of most of the Republican presidential contenders, with Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump being the only exceptions. On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton backs the establishment of a Syrian no-fly zone, while Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley stand with the White House in rejecting the idea.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/the_...ce_a_disaster/

[Robbie Key]

always interesting with events like this, because it makes people talk some truth.

Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev

Published time: 25 Nov, 2015 06:53
Edited time: 25 Nov, 2015 09:19
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Some Turkish officials have ‘direct financial interest’ in the oil trade with the terrorist group Islamic State, Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev said as he detailed possible Russian retaliation to Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane in Syria on Tuesday.

“Turkey’s actions are de facto protection of Islamic State,” Medvedev said, calling the group formerly known as ISIS by its new name. “This is no surprise, considering the information we have about direct financial interest of some Turkish officials relating to the supply of oil products refined by plants controlled by ISIS.”

“The reckless and criminal actions of the Turkish authorities… have caused a dangerous escalation of relations between Russia and NATO, which cannot be justified by any interest, including protection of state borders,” Medvedev said.

According to the PM, Russia is considering canceling several important projects with Turkey and barring Turkish companies from the Russian market. Russia has already recommended its citizens not to travel to Turkey, citing terrorist threats, resulting in several tourist operators withdrawing tours to Turkey from the market.

https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankar...isis-medvedev/

[Serbian]

The Anglo Zionists have a long history of supporting Turkey, going as far back as the Crimean War. Like Albania Turkey owes its entire existence as a state to the British. This latest act of agression was not done without Washington/London's full endorsement.

Mission Accomplished: After Russian Warplane Downed Obama Lines up With ISIS Friends

Predictably after Turkish F-16s down a Russian bomber Obama's first concern is to appease the neocons by siding with ISIS-friendly Turkey

Robert Parry (Consortium News

Originally appeared at Consortium News

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President Barack Obama – always sensitive to neocon criticism that he’s “weak” – continues to edge the world closer to a nuclear confrontation with Russia as he talks tough and tolerates more provocations against Moscow, now including Turkey’s intentional shoot-down of a Russian warplane along the Turkish-Syrian border.

Rather than rebuke Turkey, a NATO member, for its reckless behavior – or express sympathy to the Russians – Obama instead asserted that “Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace.”

It was another one of Obama’s breathtaking moments of hypocrisy, since he has repeatedly violated the territorial integrity of various countries, including in Syria where he has authorized bombing without the government’s permission and has armed rebels fighting to overthrow Syria’s secular regime.

Obama’s comment on Turkey’s right to shoot down planes — made during a joint press conference with French President Francois Hollande on Tuesday — was jarring, too, because there was no suggestion that even if the SU-24 jetfighter had strayed briefly into Turkish territory, which the Russians deny, that it was threatening Turkish targets.

Russian President Vladimir Putin angrily called the Turkish attack a “stab in the back delivered by the accomplices of terrorists.” He warned of “serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.”

Further provoking the Russians, Turkish-backed Syrian rebels then killed the two Russian pilots by riddling their bodies with bullets after they parachuted from the doomed plane and were floating toward the ground. Another Russian soldier was killed when a U.S.-supplied TOW missile brought down a Russian helicopter on a search-and-rescue mission, according to reports.

But Obama, during the news conference, seemed more interested in demonstrating his disdain for Putin, referring to him at one point by his last name only, without the usual use of a courtesy title, and demeaning the size of Putin’s coalition in helping Syria battle the jihadist rebels.

“We’ve got a coalition of 65 countries who have been active in pushing back against ISIL for quite some time,” Obama said, citing the involvement of countries around the world. “Russia right now is a coalition of two, Iran and Russia, supporting [Syrian President Bashar al-] Assad.”

However, there have been doubts about the seriousness of Obama’s coalition, which includes Sunni countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which have been covertly supporting some of the jihadist elements, including Al Qaeda’s Nusra Front and its ally, Ahrar al-Sham.

Syrian rebels, including jihadists fighting with Ahrar al-Sham, have received hundreds of U.S. TOW anti-tank missiles, apparently through Sunni regional powers with what I’ve been told was Obama’s direct approval. The jihadists have celebrated their use of TOWs to kill tank crews of the Syrian army. Yet Obama talks about every country’s right to defend its territory.

Obama and the U.S. mainstream media also have pretended that the only terrorists that need to be fought in Syria are those belonging to the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL or Daesh), but Al Qaeda’s Nusra Front and its ally, Ahrar al-Sham, which was founded in part by Al Qaeda veterans, make up the bulk of the Turkish-and-Saudi-backed Army of Conquest which was gaining ground – with the help of those American TOW missiles – until Russia intervened with air power at the request of Syrian President Assad in late September.

The SU-24 Shoot-down

As for the circumstances surrounding the Turkish shoot-down of the Russian SU-24, Turkey claimed to have radioed ten warnings over five minutes to the Russian pilots but without getting a response. However, the New York Times reported that a diplomat who attended a NATO meeting in which Turkey laid out its account said “the Russian SU-24 plane was over the Hatay region of Turkey for about 17 seconds when it was struck.”

How those two contradictory time frames matched up was not explained. However, if the 17-second time frame is correct, it appears that Turkey intended to shoot down a Russian plane – whether over its territory or not – to send a message that it would not permit Russia to continue attacking Turkish-backed rebels in Syria.

After shooting down the plane, Turkey sought an emergency NATO meeting to support its attack. Though some NATO members reportedly consider Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan a loose cannon, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg declared that the allies “stand in solidarity with Turkey.”

Further increasing the prospect of a dangerous escalation, NATO has been conducting large-scale military exercises near the Russian border in response to the Ukraine crisis.

Erdogan’s government also appears to have dabbled in dangerous provocations before, including the alleged role of Turkish intelligence in helping jihadist rebels stage a lethal sarin gas attack outside Damascus on Aug. 21, 2013, with the goal of blaming Assad’s military and tricking Obama into launching punitive airstrikes that would have helped clear the way for a jihadist victory.

Obama only pulled back at the last minute amid doubts among U.S. intelligence analysts about who was responsible for the sarin attack. Later evidence pointed to a jihadist provocation with possible Turkish assistance, but the Obama administration has never formally retracted its allegations blaming Assad’s forces.

One motive for Erdogan to go along with the sarin “false flag” attack in 2013 would have been that his two-year campaign to overthrow the Assad government was sputtering, a situation similar to today with the Russian military intervention hammering jihadist positions and putting the Syrian army back on the offensive.

By shooting down a Russian plane and then rushing to NATO with demands for retaliation against Russia, Erdogan is arguably playing a similar game, trying to push the United States and European countries into a direct confrontation with Russia while also sabotaging Syrian peace talks in Vienna – all the better to advance his goal of violently ousting Assad from power.

The Neocon Agenda

Escalating tensions with Russia also plays into the hands of America’s neoconservatives who have viewed past cooperation between Putin and Obama as a threat to the neocon agenda of “regime change,” which began in Iraq in 2003 and was supposed to continue into Syria and Iran with the goal of removing governments deemed hostile to Israel.

After the sarin gas attack in 2013, the prospect for the U.S. bombing Syria and paving the way for Assad’s military defeat looked bright, but Putin and Obama cooperated to defuse the sarin gas crisis. The two teamed up again to advance negotiations to constrain Iran’s nuclear program – a threat to neocon hopes for bombing Iran, too.

However, in late 2013 and early 2014, that promising Putin-Obama collaboration was blasted apart in Ukraine with American neocons playing key roles, including National Endowment for Democracy president Carl Gershman, Sen. John McCain and Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland.

The neocons targeted the elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych, recognizing how sensitive Ukraine was to Russia. The Feb. 22, 2014 coup, which was spearheaded by neo-Nazis and other extreme Ukrainian nationalists, established a fiercely anti-Russian regime in Kiev and provoked what quickly took on the look of a new Cold War.

When the heavily ethnic Russian population of Crimea, which had voted overwhelmingly for Yanukovych, reacted to the coup by voting 96 percent to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia, the neocon-dominated U.S. mainstream media pronounced the referendum a “sham” and the secession a Russian “invasion.” Cold War hysteria followed.

However, in the nearly two years since the Ukraine coup, it has become increasingly clear that the new regime in Kiev is not the shining light that the neocons and the mainstream media pretended it was. It appears to be as corrupt as the old one, if not more so. Plus, livings standards of average Ukrainians have plunged.

The recent flooding of Europe with Syrian refugees over the summer and this month’s Paris terror attacks by Islamic State jihadists also have forced European officials to take events in Syria more seriously, prompting a growing interest in a renewed cooperation with Russia’s Putin.

That did not sit well with ultranationalist Ukrainians angered at the reduced interest in the Ukraine crisis. These activists have forced their dispute with Russia back into the newspapers by destroying power lines supplying electricity to Crimea, throwing much of the peninsula into darkness. Their goal seems to be to ratchet up tensions again between Russia and the West.

Now, Turkey’s shoot-down of the SU-24 and the deliberate murder of the two Russian pilots have driven another wedge between NATO countries and Russia, especially if President Obama and other NATO leaders continue taking Turkey’s side in the incident.

But the larger question – indeed the existential question – is whether Obama will continue bowing to neocon demands for tough talk against Putin even if doing so risks pushing tensions to a level that could spill over into a nuclear confrontation.

[Serbian]

Watching Armenian Lavrov's news conference live now. What a pile of turds.

It is more than apparent that Russia is a second rate power without many true allies. Even the turks understand this.

[Serbian]

November 24, 2015

Turkey Has Destroyed Russia’s Hope Of Western Cooperation

Paul Craig Roberts

UPDATE: A friend, George Abert, suggested a reason why the Turks shot down the Russian fighter-bomber over Syria. The Russians have a technology that they recently demonstrated against the newest US missile cruiser and Israel’s US jet fighters. The technology shuts down the communication systems of hostile forces, leaving them blind. He wonders if the Russian aircraft was shot down in order to encourage the Russians to use its unknown technology whenever Russian aircraft are in the vicinity of NATO and Israeli aircraft. He bets that the US has sent every Raven and ELINT specialist to the area in hopes that Russia’s use of the technology will allow them to learn enough about the system to duplicate it or learn how to block it.

Turkey’s unprovoked shoot-down of a Russian military aircraft over Syria raises interesting questions. It seems unlikely that the Turkish government would commit an act of war against a much more powerful neighbor unless Washington had cleared the attack. Turkey’s government is not very competent, but even the incompetent know better than to put themselves into a position of facing Russia alone.

If the attack was cleared with Washington, was Obama bypassed by the neocons who control his government, or is Obama himself complicit? Clearly the neoconservatives are disturbed by the French president’s call for unity with Russia against ISIL and easily could have used their connections to Turkey to stage an event that Washington can use to prevent cooperation with Russia.

Washington’s complicity is certainly indicated, but it is not completely out of the question that the well-placed Turks who are purchasing oil from ISIL took revenge against Russia for destroying their oil tanker investments and profitable business. But if the attack has a private or semi-private origin in connections between gangsters and military, would Turkey’s president have defended the shoot-down on such spurious grounds as “national defense”? No one can believe that one Russian jet is a threat to Turkey’s security.

Don’t expect the presstitutes to look into any such questions. The presstitutes, such as the BBC’s Moscow correspondent Sarah Rainsford, are spinning the story that the loss of the Russian aircraft, and earlier the airliner, proves that Putin’s policy of air strikes against iSIL has backfired as Russians are not safer.

The responses to the shoot-down are also interesting. From what I heard of Obama’s press conference, Obama’s definition of “moderate Syrian rebels” includes all the extremist jihadish groups, such as al Nursa and ISIL, that are the focus of the Russian attacks. Only Assad is an extremist. Obama, following the neocon line, says that Assad has too much blood on his hands to be allowed to remain president of Syria.

Obama is not specific about the “blood on Assad’s hands,” but we can be. The blood is the blood of ISIL forces fighting the Syrian army. Obama doesn’t refer to the blood on ISIL’s hands, but even the presstitutes have told us the horror stories associated with the blood on ISIL’s hands, with whom Obama has allied us.

And what about the blood on Obama’s hands? Here we are talking about a very large quantity of blood: the blood of entire countries—Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and the blood that Obama’s puppet government in Kiev has spilled of the ethnic Russian inhabitants of Ukraine, not to forget the Palestinian blood spilled by Israel using US supplied weapons.

If the blood on Assad’s hands disqualifies Assad from office, the much greater quantity on Obama’s hands disqualifies Obama. And Cameron. And Hollande. And Merkel. And Netanyahu.

Throughout the entire Washington orchestrated conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, and Ukraine, the Russian government has spoken reasonably and responded in a diplomatic manner to the many provocations. The Russian government relied on European governments realizing that Europe does not benefit from conflicts generated by Washington and separating themselves from a policy that is against their interests. But Europe proved to be a collection of American vassals, not independent countries capable of independent foreign policies.

In its campaign against ISIL in Syria, the Russian government relied on the agreement made with NATO countries to avoid engaging in the air. Now Turkey has violated this agreement.

I will be surprised if the Russian government any longer places any trust in the words of the West and any hope in diplomacy with the West. By now the Russian government and the Russian people will have learned that the Wolfowitz doctrine means what it says and is in force against Russia.

From the Ukrainian attack on Crimea’s power supply and the blackout that is affecting Crimea, the Russian government has also learned that Washington’s puppet government in Kiev intends further conflict with Russia.

Washington has made it clear from the beginning that Washington’s focus is on overthrowing Assad, not ISIL. Despite the alleged attack on France by ISIL, the US State Department press spokesperson, Admiral John Kirby, said that Russia cannot be a member of the coalition against ISIL until Russia stops propping up Assad.

To the extent that the shoot-down of the Russian military aircraft has a silver lining, the incident has likely saved the Russian government from a coalition in which Russia would have lost control of its war against ISIL and would have had to accept the defeat of Assad’s removal.

Each step along the way the Russian government has held strong cards that it did not play, trusting instead to diplomacy. Diplomacy has now proven to be a deadend. If Russia does not join the real game and begin to play its strong cards, Russia will be defeated.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015...craig-roberts/

[Serbian]

The anti Assad lies on Don Black's "SF Russia"

So called SF 'Russians'

Darknet
Here is a Russian article on Assad and his connections with terrorists. The main point is last 15 years the regime of Assads backed anti-american radical muslim forces like al-kaeda and early "Islanic state" in neighbouring Iraq, granted assylum for radicals and had training center on Syrian territory, in hope to befriend muslim opposition forces and to drag Americans deeper into the slaughter in Iraq.

meduza.io

Does anyone knows decent publications in English about this?

Darknet
There can be another reason why survival of Assad's regime is critically important for Putin's system. Putin deadly needs such states as Venezuela, Syria, Nikaragua, N.Korea or similar regimes in Africa, as a possible asylum for his officials and families, a safe country where he could live with stolen money if the putinism in Russia fails.

GuelderRose posted

Simon Petlura

Shame on Jewish Lackey Putin and his Kosher oligarchs,they are already starting to bombing innocent childrens in Syria.

Savagery of Moscow Junta knows no bounds.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1123670-6/


Don Black's so called "mod" of SF Russia making excuses for Zionist vassal and aggressor Turkey

Poison

Turkey has warned Putin previously about this. Incidents of incursions into neighbouring airspaces appear to be a chronic problem for the Russian military

[Serbian]

Anti Kiev junta Donbass freedom fighters support Syria

[Dan Hadaway]

It's completely unbelievable that not only does this incident prove beyond doubt that Turkey is actively supporting ISIS, but that Washington and the EU are perfectly OK with this.

OK, well, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised, but if the mainstream anti-ISIS propaganda was anywhere near the truth, Turkey would be instantly banned from the EU and NATO. But, so far as I know there isn't any talk of that. How much bullshit did we hear about Saddam Hussein supporting terrorists and we have to bomb the shit out of Iraq because of the same thing that Turkey is doing with ISIS.

[Robbie Key]

Russia plane downing planned provocation: Lavrov

Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:38AM
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Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has described the downing of a Russian warplane by the Turkish military as a “planned provocation,” saying terrorist groups operating against the Syrian government are openly using the Turkish territory.

Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24M Fencer aircraft with two pilots aboard on Tuesday, claiming the fighter jet had repeatedly violated the Turkish airspace.

Russia dismisses Ankara’s claims and says the fighter jet was downed in the Syrian airspace, where the Russian air force has been carrying out combat sorties against Takfiri terrorists since September 30 upon a request by the Syrian government.

“We have serious doubts that this act was unintentional. It looks very much like a pre-planned provocation,” Lavrov told a press conference in the Russian capital, Moscow, on Wednesday.
He said it is “no secret” that terrorist groups are using the Turkish territory in their operations against the government of Syria.

The Russian foreign minister said the Turkish territory is used for “training and financing” the militants. Moscow, he added, backs a call by French President Francois Hollande to close the Syria-Turkey border in an attempt to stop the recruitment and financing of the militants.

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