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Old January 28th, 2018 #1
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The 25 year anniversary to the start of the Waco massacre will be on Feb. 28.

Leading up to that date, there has been much infuriating garbage on television, painting the ATF and FBI in a light that makes them appear to have been a benign entity that made a few minor mistakes.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you watch nothing else, this film is the truth. Shows the bullet holes through the door were incoming rounds, and how the FBI tore entire pages out of the log books, and 'lost' film footage that NBC and ATF were filming from across the street, how they shot the whole house up, every room and every window, how they had guns in the tanks when claiming they did not, etc.

Cavanaugh is one of the most evil people in human history. A repeat liar and killer. The indifferent Schumer and his fellow indifferent politicians are, too--in fact I think they are glad when goy die.

Interesting to note and not in the film: Davidians were thrown out of Israel, and they have teachings that were quite interesting in light of all of this. I'm sure (((Schumer))) didn't appreciate their lack of Israel worship Zio-tardedness, they like their Xtians to be more Hagee-like.

Lon Horiuchi, the Jap-Catholic sniper man who shot Vicki Weaver in the head, was there to kill babies and whatnot as well.

These shows on television are infuriating when you know what is being left out, obfuscated, and flat out lied about.

*Note: the pic on the vid is of Wayne and Sheila Martin's daughter, and there were people of every race in there. That's not the issue here, Government murdering people and lying about it is. They will do that to anyone doing anything they want to shut down, that's important to realize.

They stopped Garveyites from growing their back to Africa movement, because they wanted to push racial 'diversity'.

Another interesting thing: they first reported the Davidians were 'racists' on local television until people saw the vid of the Asians, Blacks, and Mexicans in there. As if being racist would mean you can murder someone's kids.

Whether you're a Weaver Whitey or a Garvey BTA adherent, if you are a threat to the agenda in some way, then that's how (((they))) view you.

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Old January 28th, 2018 #2
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The 20 year anniversary to the start of the Waco massacre will be on Feb. 28.

Leading up to that date, there has been much infuriating garbage on television, painting the ATF and FBI in a light that makes them appear to have been a benign entity that made a few minor mistakes.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you watch nothing else, this film is the truth. Shows the bullet holes through the door were incoming rounds, and how the FBI tore entire pages out of the log books, and 'lost' film footage that NBC and ATF were filming from across the street, how they shot the whole house up, every room and every window, how they had guns in the tanks when claiming they did not, etc.

Cavanaugh is one of the most evil people in human history. A repeat liar and killer. The indifferent Schumer and his fellow indifferent politicians are, too--in fact I think they are glad when goy die.

Interesting to note and not in the film: Davidians were thrown out of Israel, and they have teachings that were quite interesting in light of all of this. I'm sure (((Schumer))) didn't appreciate their lack of Israel worship Zio-tardedness, they like their Xtians to be more Hagee-like.

Lon Horiuchi, the Jap-Catholic sniper man who shot Vicki Weaver in the head, was there to kill babies and whatnot as well.

These shows on television are infuriating when you know what is being left out, obfuscated, and flat out lied about.

*Note: the pic on the vid is of Wayne and Sheila Martin's daughter, and there were people of every race in there. That's not the issue here, Government murdering people and lying about it is. They will do that to anyone doing anything they want to shut down, that's important to realize.

They stopped Garveyites from growing their back to Africa movement, because they wanted to push racial 'diversity'.

Another interesting thing: they first reported the Davidians were 'racists' on local television until people saw the vid of the Asians, Blacks, and Mexicans in there. As if being racist would mean you can murder someone's kids.

Whether you're a Weaver Whitey or a Garvey BTA adherent, if you are a threat to the agenda in some way, then that's how (((they))) view you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTLgmsZ3p6M

So when is the ATF going to raid the many Islamic enclave camps across the Eastern United States, that undoubtedly is safe haven, for child brides and sharia law........Oh I forgot, child abuse is only a crime if it is a perpetrated by White Anti Government Cults.
 
Old January 28th, 2018 #3
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Lon Horiuchi, the Jap-Catholic sniper man who shot Vicki Weaver in the head, was there to kill babies and whatnot as well.
The Shooting community, virtually shut down Hs-Precision rifles after it was discovered that Whori-uchi was hired by them as a consultant. Yes, the courageous FBI sniper who shot an unarmed Female in the face while holding a baby.

I actually confronted a representative of HS-Precision at the Shot Show one year about this, the first comments were, "I have no recollection of the person you are referring to"... I pressed the topic until some old asshole from the back of the booth stepped up and said 'When you fire on Federal Agents that is what you get, shot in the Face". I loudly replied, HS-PRECISION, proud employers of Murdering Scum Who shoot unarmed Women in the face.

They did hire the shit bag, and now their company has suffered for it from what I hear, so much that Remington dropped using them as a vendor because of the same situation.

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These shows on television are infuriating when you know what is being left out, obfuscated, and flat out lied about.
I have no doubt that they were murdered, but lets face it, The Davidians were a bunch of fucking nutcases, and David Koresh was the typical cult leader, and somehow despite all the propaganda surrounding this incident, it don't take much of imagination to realize this asshole was probably molesting little girls.

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*Note: the pic on the vid is of Wayne and Sheila Martin's daughter, and there were people of every race in there. That's not the issue here, Government murdering people and lying about it is. They will do that to anyone doing anything they want to shut down, that's important to realize.
We all know what happened there, the ATF simply botched a no knock search warrant, and they were so unorganized several agents were shot by other agents who became confused within their own tear gas, and shot each other.

The only recourse was to cover it up with fire. This just goes to show you, Having illegal weapons, molesting children and being a Christard Religious Fruitcake is a dangerous mix.
 
Old January 28th, 2018 #4
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I have no doubt that they were murdered, but lets face it, The Davidians were a bunch of fucking nutcases, and David Koresh was the typical cult leader, and somehow despite all the propaganda surrounding this incident, it don't take much of imagination to realize this asshole was probably molesting little girls.
No probably about it, he had children by them, and this is something all attest to, including the Sheriff at Waco at the time, who liked them as people very much. David Thibodeau, who attests to them being murdered, he is a survivor, does as well. So did all members who still support their beliefs to this day, not one dissenter on that fact. Serenity was the child of his first wife's little sister, whom he had sex with when she was 12, far too young to conceive, it took her a few years to get pregnant.

They were no more nuts than many other groups who aren't being murdered, though. There was a plan in place, and they planned it for several years, as far back as the George HW Bush presidency.


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We all know what happened there, the ATF simply botched a no knock search warrant, and they were so unorganized several agents were shot by other agents who became confused within their own tear gas, and shot each other.
That is incorrect.

This was practiced at Ft. Hood. Planned for years, it was not a botched 'no knock' search warrant.

They sent them to kill, and the Davidians fought back.

The guns they were supposedly there to confiscate (and lets not confuse that issue, they were there on gun charges, not child rape) were LEGAL until they were put together in the defense counter-attack.

No gun laws were being broken by the Davidians---until they defended themselves.

If you watched the film, the pre-planned attack and alert to NBC news that 'something big was going to go down' show this was all quite planned and staged.

The woman who made the call did so as part of their plan to prove the ATF needed 'more funding' to fight 'domestic terrorists' and cults.

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The only recourse was to cover it up with fire. This just goes to show you, Having illegal weapons, molesting children and being a Christard Religious Fruitcake is a dangerous mix.
No, there are people molesting kids all over this country, and the ATF is not killing them.

The 'dangerous mix' is having guns, home schooling, and teaching that Israel are not the end all be all of gawd.

Weavers had totally different beliefs than Davidians, and the government did the same.

Black separatists who were burned alive in the 60s, same reason: they want nobody independent of the system, growing in power, teaching alternate beliefs to the ones they are teaching.

Lets not forget the lies they tell:

*That Vicki Weaver was 'prepared to kill her own kids' and that she and Randy killed Sammy. That was put out in media at the beginning of the attack on Ruby Ridge.

* That the Davidians were 'beating newborn babies and women'. Janet Reno told that lie. They not only didn't beat babies, they were expressly forbidden to ever hit women, and children, sans the occasional spanking that was only to be administered by the child's parent.

* That they never shot first: proven lie, including shooting unarmed people and PUPPIES from helicopters.

* That the Davidians started the fire: on audio, Steve Schneider begs them not to burn them out 'to destroy all evidences' and thinks that's what they will do.

They did. They poked holes in the building and turned it into a pot bellied stove, they shot in pyrotechnic devices and caused fire when mixed with the fuel the Davidians made molotof cocktails with to throw at the tanks.

They ran over Jimmy Riddle, removing his head, shoulder, and half of his torso. Can you imagine dying that way?

Most important thing for anyone to remember: David Koresh could've been arrested on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday...you get the idea. He jogged and went to Wal-Mart by himself regularly.

And he opened the door when they got there, but before saying 'hello', there were helicopters shooting up the bedrooms of the very children they were supposedly concerned about.

Very important to combat propaganda with facts, as this shit is rolled out dishonestly over tv in the coming weeks.

They want to create a revisionist history on what they've done, hoping nobody remembers, or digs too deep.
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Old January 28th, 2018 #5
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There was a statement made, long put down a memory hole, that I heard by a commentator on the jewtube, right after Waco. The commentator was rather famous in that era, but I have forgotten his name. It was a show about Waco. The comment that stands in my mind so vividly was, paraphrased, "there is evidence to show that David Koresh, whose real name was Vernon Howell, was targeted by the U. S. government for being a tax resister who enjoyed stockpiling weapons. Also, the government has a BiG problem with charismatic leaders who hold a rather large number of U. S. citizens who are immensely loyal to one man."

The commentator slipped quietly away from any other news program.

I never heard of him again.

Word was he was fired because of the old excuse of "salary demands."

No other news station picked him up.

For all I know he's raising rabbits somewhere in a bumfuck town in Georgia.

QED

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Old January 28th, 2018 #6
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The alphabet agency clowns would've never pulled that shit on browns or blacks. They know public opinion would be against them. You kill a White as a White, you're a hero. Yet, you're a White officer who kills a pack of black savages charging at an unarmed White mother and her children? You're a racist, and you'll be imprisoned to the fullest extent of the law. God help you. All the while, most of society will support it without a second thought. Even as in the long run such a people seal their own fate in doing so, the brainwashed masses continuing to quietly cuck along like good little slaves, none the wiser.

Twilight Zone inanity would be welcome at this point. We've long gone into '1984' meets 'Heart of Darkness.'
 
Old January 28th, 2018 #7
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No probably about it, he had children by them, and this is something all attest to, including the Sheriff at Waco at the time, who liked them as people very much. David Thibodeau, who attests to them being murdered, he is a survivor, does as well. So did all members who still support their beliefs to this day, not one dissenter on that fact. Serenity was the child of his first wife's little sister, whom he had sex with when she was 12, far too young to conceive, it took her a few years to get pregnant.

They were no more nuts than many other groups who aren't being murdered, though. There was a plan in place, and they planned it for several years, as far back as the George HW Bush presidency.
Planned for several years? LAUGHABLE, it was "Planned for several years". And the fact still remains.....Those people knew Koresh was banging little girls, and they still were complacent about following, and being part of a fucking nutcase religious revival.

Who cares if Koresh was anti Jew, he was a kid diddling shit bag. That makes everyone of those Christards an accomplice for not either reporting his ass, kicking the shit out of him, or just offing his ass and feed him to the wild pigs.


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That is incorrect.

This was practiced at Ft. Hood. Planned for years, it was not a botched 'no knock' search warrant.
Unfortunate for your claim, I had a high school buddy who was in the military, stationed at Ft Hood Before, During and After this event happened, and I had to call him and ask about this. Total bullshit. After he left the Army he became extremely anti Government, and certainly had no reason to lie about this claim. The armored vehicles may have come from Hood, but this claim the base was needed to train ATF agents for a search and seizure is tactically laughable. The premise they trained for years for a raid on a Religious cult compound is hysterical.


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They sent them to kill, and the Davidians fought back.
No they didn't........There were NO SHOTS FIRED from within the compound during the initial raid. The ATF agents that were killed that day were shot from inside the main house by other ATF agents, confused in the tear gas, they heard shots, and the agents inside the house began wetting down the entire complex. It is even on a film where one ATF agent shoots himself in the leg going up an entry ladder, and is STILL ORDERED to proceed.

By this time, they had probably retreated to the underground bus.

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The guns they were supposedly there to confiscate (and lets not confuse that issue, they were there on gun charges, not child rape) were LEGAL until they were put together in the defense counter-attack.
That is bullshit. It is illegal to possess all components to assemble a functioning illegal firearm. YOU proved yourself wrong.

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No gun laws were being broken by the Davidians---until they defended themselves.
What? You can't assemble an illegal firearm even if you are under attack from a foreign army, how you can suggest that somehow assembling a firearm while you are under siege from anyone somehow makes a difference.

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If you watched the film, the pre-planned attack and alert to NBC news that 'something big was going to go down' show this was all quite planned and staged.
That is idiotic......The press was waiting on the beach when Seal Teams arrived in Somalia, which even would suggest a more laughable suggestion that if they were there to kill them, cameras are the last thing they would want around.

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The woman who made the call did so as part of their plan to prove the ATF needed 'more funding' to fight 'domestic terrorists' and cults.
That's absurd, they firebombed a entire city block of derelict buildings when a bunch of nutcase Niggers with the Move Movement in Philadelphia started shooting at police because they were trying to serve warrants for murder suspects.

Same deal.

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No, there are people molesting kids all over this country, and the ATF is not killing them.
They are not embarrassing the FBI with multiple week standoffs either.


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The 'dangerous mix' is having guns, home schooling, and teaching that Israel are not the end all be all of gawd.
Give me a break. Religious nutcases with guns are the problem. Your confusion is that somehow they started shooting when the Feds showed up? Why the fuck would they shoot at the Feds if they had nothing to hide?

Well they did have something to hide.

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Weavers had totally different beliefs than Davidians, and the government did the same.
Who said I defended the Feds at Ruby Ridge? Totally different case. The Weavers were not Christards and armed with Illegal weapons, they were the victims of a trigger happy FBI agent.

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Black separatists who were burned alive in the 60s, same reason: they want nobody independent of the system, growing in power, teaching alternate beliefs to the ones they are teaching.
If that is the case they would have exterminated the Amish too.


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Lets not forget the lies they tell:

*That Vicki Weaver was 'prepared to kill her own kids' and that she and Randy killed Sammy. That was put out in media at the beginning of the attack on Ruby Ridge.
And that was exposed at the trial. Again, I don't recall anyone defending FEDS at Ruby Ridge, a totally different case.

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* That the Davidians were 'beating newborn babies and women'. Janet Reno told that lie. They not only didn't beat babies, they were expressly forbidden to ever hit women, and children, sans the occasional spanking that was only to be administered by the child's parent.
Na, they were just letting their freak ass leader bang little girls. Again, the facts came out in the testimony of the survivors and people who left prior to the raid.

But as you previously admitted, the cause of the initial raid was illegal firearms, which you seem to have some sort of delusion about "Assembled" versus Non assembled weapons.

There is not grey area there. They were in possession of illegal firearms.

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* That they never shot first: proven lie, including shooting unarmed people and PUPPIES from helicopters.
They never fired at all. I never said they did. I said they torched the place to cover up the fact the ATF shot their own people.

That still don't change the fact they were religious fuck nuts with illegal fully automatic rifles.

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* That the Davidians started the fire: on audio, Steve Schneider begs them not to burn them out 'to destroy all evidences' and thinks that's what they will do.
Why are you harping on this, I already stated they were murdered, just not for the reasons you claimed.

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They did. They poked holes in the building and turned it into a pot bellied stove, they shot in pyrotechnic devices and caused fire when mixed with the fuel the Davidians made molotof cocktails with to throw at the tanks.
I doubt that, even dumb ass Christards, they realize Molitov cocktails are no use against a tank.


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They ran over Jimmy Riddle, removing his head, shoulder, and half of his torso. Can you imagine dying that way?

Most important thing for anyone to remember: David Koresh could've been arrested on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday...you get the idea. He jogged and went to Wal-Mart by himself regularly.

And he opened the door when they got there, but before saying 'hello', there were helicopters shooting up the bedrooms of the very children they were supposedly concerned about.

Very important to combat propaganda with facts, as this shit is rolled out dishonestly over tv in the coming weeks.

They want to create a revisionist history on what they've done, hoping nobody remembers, or digs too deep.
This whole notion is absurd. This was a botched no knock warrant, and some rookie ATF agent fired off a round and the rest of the dumb asses started wetting the entire complex down. They shot their own agents. They burned them alive to cover it up.

Why you needed to give some lame "They hated Israel" narrative I will never know, but that was never even an issue brought up by survivors.

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Old January 28th, 2018 #8
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Planned for several years? LAUGHABLE, it was "Planned for several years". And the fact still remains.....Those people knew Koresh was banging little girls, and they still were complacent about following, and being part of a fucking nutcase religious revival.
They say themselves: the plan began in the late eighties, when GHW Bush was President.

But you didn't watch the hearings, films, or read any books....but you're gonna LAUGH.

Wrong, and idiotic to boot, because that came out in the hearings. ATF and FBI records and testimony showed they were training at Ft. Hood.

Why are you commenting when you know none of the facts?

I don't think you care about the facts, or you wouldn't make such a wrong, ignorant comment.

You could start here with the congressional hearings you never watched: they've been available in their entirety for decades.

Pt. 1 of day 1 (all days available on YT):

WAS PLANNED FOR YEARS.

Ever heard of Robert Rodriguez? He's the agent sent in to pretend to want to learn of their religion, and he was a Fed Agent.

Years before the raid.

They used him to learn the layout of the building, what kind of weapons they had, and so on.

You know nothing about the case, or you'd know that.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/25/us...e-ignored.html

He wanted to kill himself after having gotten to know all the children, felt guilty for his involvement. He tried to get them not to attack that day. Robert realized he was used for nefarious purposes---after the fact. And it made him want to die.

But you don't know who he even is, clearly.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...-hartnett-raid

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Who cares if Koresh was anti Jew, he was a kid diddling shit bag.
When I wrote on Waco months ago, you were the very person arguing he didn't diddle any kids, like an uninformed idiot.

Now you're ranting that we shouldn't care about the case because you now fully understand that what I said before was true: he did have sex with underage girls.

You were just as adamant then as you are now about the attack not being planned for years, which is thoroughly documented and not disputed by anyone, not even the Feds themselves.

Have to wonder what the agenda is, for you to read none of the transcripts, watch or listen to anything, and then argue the facts. Absurd.

Here you are fighting with me saying he might not have been a child molester:

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And you know this how? Evidently, if Koresh was molesting children, and any of the survivors testified he was a pedophile...Why were they not charged as an accomplice?

Certainly you know that if you have knowledge of a child rape and don't report it, you are in for some serious charges.

I don't recall ANY OF THE SURVIVORS being charged for aiding in the sexual assault of a child.

In essence, The idea that people with kids set themselves on fire to avoid being arrested in highly improbable.

I also find it odd that shortly after the fire, the Department of Justice went in there with bulldozers and scraped the entire area down one foot? They were dispersing evidence to the fires origin.
Here's a link to that fallacious post of yours:https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...8&postcount=18

Here's my response to it:

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"You're not up on the evidence obviously.

DNA.

He has one living child who was not in the 'compound'. A boy. Did you know this?

Serenity Sea Jones and many of his children lied and said other men were their fathers when they went out. She was supposed to say her name was Serenity Thibodeau.

He fathered 13 children-not all were with underage girls, many were.

Youngest he had sex with was his only recognized wife's sister-she was 12.

Her and the other-like the one holding her baby in the video the Davidians made themselves-you can view it online-is 15.

That is called 'statuatory rape.' Girls were willing as far as we know, but it's still illegal.

I know plenty. Do you know that the Sherriff and CPS were informed of this, and investigated them? It's in the documentary I cited. Most people familiar with the case know this.

The lying in combo with the willingness of the girls and parents (with underage people common law marriage is legal if parental consent is given) gave them difficulty in making a case, according to the Sherriff. He also said he thinks what they were doing is wrong, but that in every other way they were very nice people. Again-watch the doc and read the transcripts.

They were murdered, yes.

Koresh was having sex with girls underage, yes.

Clive Doyle (Koresh's best friend practically of the whole group), David Thibodeau, Livingstone Fagan, and all survivors tell the same story-they know who his wives were and whose kids were whose.

They corroborate the statutory rape. As does the author of 'The Ashes of Waco.' Not one person denies it-why are you?

Also corroborating their story is the DNA of who were the parents of whom. That's not even something people question at all when discussing the case.

And it's not why the ATF went into the 'compound'. They don't show up for rapin' kids. Their numero uno excuse was always guns. Not their real reason, either.

I'm very familiar with this case."
Link to that: https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...2&postcount=19

You had nothing else to say after that, you were wrong.

You're wrong here, too, for the same reasons. It's like commenting on a book you didn't read, why you do it I dunno.

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That makes everyone of those Christards an accomplice for not either reporting his ass, kicking the shit out of him, or just offing his ass and feed him to the wild pigs.
He was reported. You never heard of Kiri Jewell I guess, since you know NONE of these facts. Kiri Jewell's case is one that started an investigation, she went to live with her father.

Again: why comment on something you aren't reading up on? This is easily found info. for many, many years.

They were investigated by CPS and the local Sheriff went there several times.
They did not have enough evidence to make a case, as was said in the film, since the girls had parental consent and they did not move forward with charges.

Guess what, Olaf: of course they should've disagreed with sticking by a pedo....but the Fed Government can't shoot into a house full of infants and elderly to 'get a pedo', and if you don't understand that, I can't make you understand it.

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Unfortunate for your claim, I had a high school buddy who was in the military, stationed at Ft Hood Before, During and After this event happened, and I had to call him and ask about this. Total bullshit. After he left the Army he became extremely anti Government, and certainly had no reason to lie about this claim. The armored vehicles may have come from Hood, but this claim the base was needed to train ATF agents for a search and seizure is tactically laughable. The premise they trained for years for a raid on a Religious cult compound is hysterical.
Your anonymous friend is meaningless, you've no proof, but the proof is in the docs, the testimony, and from the feds themselves. Are you joking?

Here you go, the actual proof--tell your friend to eat a big bag o' dicks:

Not only is it talked about in the hearings you didn't watch, here is Wes Clark discussing it, and they were trained at Ft Hood (His Democratic ass was involved):

http://www.wnd.com/2003/10/21282/

"..For example, there is the 1993 siege of David Koresh’s Mount Carmel commune in Waco, Texas, where four law-enforcement officers were killed and nearly 90 civilians – men, women and children – massacred by being shot and/or burned alive. Those seeking an investigation of his part in the Waco outrage say that Clark not only played a hidden role in the military-style assault on the Branch Davidians, but easily could have refused to participate in what was a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars use of the U.S. military for civilian law-enforcement activities.

Although Clark has never publicly discussed his role in the attack on the Branch Davidians and did not respond to Insight’s requests for an interview to discuss his role at Waco, there are indisputable facts that confirm he had knowledge of the grim plans to bring the standoff to an end.

Between August 1992 and April 1994, Clark was commander of the 1st Cavalry Division of the Army’s III Corps at Fort Hood, Texas. According to a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the list of military personnel and equipment used at Waco included: 15 active-duty military personnel, 13 Texas National Guard personnel, nine Bradley fighting vehicles, five combat-engineer vehicles, one tank-retrieval vehicle and two M1A1 Abrams tanks. Additionally, Fort Hood reportedly was used for much of the training for the bloody attack on the Davidians and their children.."

Many more sites with that info, easy to find:

Here it is again, straight from the FBI themselves, you lying fool:
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/10/us...sect-raid.html

" Earlier trial testimony has shown that Special Forces members, better known as Green Berets, were present during training of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents at Fort Hood, Tex., during preparations for the Feb. 28 raid.

Mr. Craig told jurors that military vehicles used by the F.B.I. in the Branch Davidian operation included seven Bradley armored personnel carriers, four 54-ton combat engineering vehicles, two M-1 Abrams battle tanks, and a tracked maintenance recovery vehicle."

^^Sheeeit. Looks like your 'buddy' green nigger and you are lying.

Still laughing?

I'm basing my writing on facts, you aren't.

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No they didn't........There were NO SHOTS FIRED from within the compound during the initial raid.
The ATF agents that were killed that day were shot from inside the main house by other ATF agents, confused in the tear gas, they heard shots, and the agents inside the house began wetting down the entire complex.
No tear gas was fired the first day.

The film, and FLIR experts, show they shot from the helicopters. They shot up the water tower, too, water was pouring into the room of a man who died face first in the plate of pancakes he was eating. Shot by fire from a helicopter.

You are posting easily proven wrong drivel, which amounts to lying when you don't even look for the info. before you write.

Again, you'd know these things if you'd watched or read one thing.

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By this time, they had probably retreated to the underground bus.
Idiotic, wrong, and sick considering what really did happen to the kids and women.

The women and children who ATTEMPTED to retreat to the bus---on the LAST day of the seige---didn't make it to the bus.

Wanna know why, since you apparently know nothing?

The examiners showed why in the evidence.

The entry way was filled with pyrotechnic devices, so they were in the metal lined room just before they got to the bus.

Because they didn't get out of that metal lined room, they were literally COOKED TO DEATH. Sheila Martin mentioned being particularly haunted by that.

Most of the other kids died of CS gas poisoning prior to being burned.

One little girl was bowed backwards from the convulsions.
Convulsions so hard they broke her bones.

You still laughing? You want to refute facts with stuff you pulled out of your butt?


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That is bullshit. It is illegal to possess all components to assemble a functioning illegal firearm.
No, it isn't, not the parts they had. Only illegal when assembled, ask Dick Deguerin.

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That is idiotic......The press was waiting on the beach when Seal Teams arrived in Somalia, which even would suggest a more laughable suggestion that if they were there to kill them, cameras are the last thing they would want around.
The woman who called NBC wanted the raid aftermath filmed. They wanted to raise money via showing the 'great work' of the ATF.

She testified to this in the hearings, and is shown in the film I uploaded (that you didn't watch).

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Why are you harping on this, I already stated they were murdered, just not for the reasons you claimed.
I just proved all your points wrong, with evidence.

Why are you harping on this with no facts, stating wrong thing after wrong thing?

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Why you needed to give some lame "They hated Israel" narrative I will never know, but that was never even an issue brought up by survivors.
Wrong again. Fagan released a series of docs about it, as did two historians.

You haven't read, 'The Ashes of Waco' either, clearly.

And I didn't say they 'hated Israel'. I said they were not Zionists.

Which is also correct.

The tv will be lying all month and next, as you just did, for morons who don't fact check. I'm happy to place all this here to show anyone who actually wants to learn, and want sources to cross reference.

This is one of the most important cases of rights violation in American History, it wouldn't matter if they believe in flying monkeys.
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Armor from Gen. Wesley Clark's command at Fort Hood passes in front of burning structure with 76 US civilians (including 25 children) inside after destroying it flying the Stars n Stripes near Waco, TX April 19, 1993 ...does anyone have any questions about how "our" government views us after "viewing" this photo?

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Armor from Gen. Wesley Clark's command at Fort Hood passes in front of burning structure with 76 US civilians (including 25 children) inside after destroying it flying the Stars n Stripes near Waco, TX April 19, 1993 ...does anyone have any questions about how "our" government views us after "viewing" this photo?
If only the Davidians could have gotten a few Molotovs thrown at the tanks and APCs, ineffective as it may have been, then plugged a few ZOGbots with weapons fire. From what I understand the BATFags killed in the initial assault were taken out by friendly fire.
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The point to be taken from Waco, is that as far as the government is concerned, we're all Davidians.
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If only the Davidians could have gotten a few Molotovs thrown at the tanks and APCs, ineffective as it may have been, then plugged a few ZOGbots with weapons fire. From what I understand the BATFags killed in the initial assault were taken out by friendly fire.
Yes, they were trying to fit the kids with gas masks, but none would fit. So the women and kids tried to make it to the bus, but Agents deliberately blocked it, they only made it to the metal lined room, the worst place to be.

The BATFaggots did get shot by Davidians, and they were found to be within their rights in doing so. Media did not discuss those trials to any great extent, and a lot of folks don't realize the ones who were tried were not found guilty of murder, they were found guilty on weapons charges, relating to the weapons being illegal when assembled. Many charges stacked up, long sentences, but all are out today.

Also, 16 kid killer ATF were wounded in addition to the 4 killed, but important to realize: if the Davidians had wanted to kill every one of those agents, they could've. They arrived on open bed cattle trailers. The Attorney for Steve Schneider pointed that out in the hearings....but as soon as the ATF retreated and asked them to stop as well, they did.

To me the most shocking thing that I can't get over is the willingness to maniacally kill those children---anyone knows that helicopters shooting up a building, shooting up the whole place, would put those children at risk, terrify them, etc.

...And they try to sell the story that it was 'because their parents were bad'.

Killing children for the sins of the parents, that's something a retarded IQ nigger should have qualms about.

The US Government operates like a cult in many ways. You can't question it too severely, you can be lied on if you are displeasing to them and folks with believe the lies, and you 'should die' if you are deemed 'bad'.
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Armor from Gen. Wesley Clark's command at Fort Hood passes in front of burning structure with 76 US civilians (including 25 children) inside after destroying it flying the Stars n Stripes near Waco, TX April 19, 1993 ...does anyone have any questions about how "our" government views us after "viewing" this photo?
Yes, for them to put that flag on top of the charred remains as a symbol of 'victory' over 76 dead people, 19 of them children, and violating the Posse Comitatus Act, was very symbolic indeed.

Those nice Rambos were mooning them, running over the corpse of a buried Davidian with tanks, and giving them the finger. Running over their garden, cars, buildings with tanks, too. They were acting like roided up 14 year olds in a video game, playing with people's lives.

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The point to be taken from Waco, is that as far as the government is concerned, we're all Davidians.
Yes.
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Yes, for them to put that flag on top of the charred remains as a symbol of 'victory' over 76 dead people, 19 of them children, and violating the Posse Comitatus Act, was very symbolic indeed.

Those nice Rambos were mooning them, running over the corpse of a buried Davidian with tanks, and giving them the finger. Running over their garden, cars, buildings with tanks, too. They were acting like roided up 14 year olds in a video game, playing with people's lives.



Yes.
Not that I wasn't well aware of what type of asshole the average fed (or soldier for that matter) was in 1993, this debacle was an earthshaking wakeup call for myself and many other folks on the nature and intent of the system we live under.

I'm surprised they didn't call in an airstrike as well, in regards to any law or regulation that stood in the way of them doing what they did that day well that can just be argued to insignificance in some or another court venue for years after the deed is done.

Fact is they were so terrified of losing a very public confrontation with a determined group of armed citizens that they blew them and their kids away and sadly that's all she wrote or will ever write.

Thanks for creating this thread, I honor people who stand their ground to oppressors regardless of race or religion. Self determination is hardwired into us humans, cant ever find happiness or purpose without it.

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Thanks Emily for posting the video. I just watched the entire thing and I had forgotten many of the sickening details. At the time this occurred, I was hip deep in working full time as a caseworker, and running an animal rights' group, and doing full time animal rescue work around the clock. I'm almost ashamed that I did not pay closer attention to this horror, and realize it for what it was.

What a horrifying, completely inexcusable event the entire episode was. To watch those tanks being manned by those mindless, idiotic gubbamint homicidal out of control maniacs--the same people who are being honored by the conservacucks every day, and who make up the rank and file of local law enforcement who deprive us of our rights on a daily basis, shoot our pets, trump up charges, lie outright, arrest us over nothing, and kill us for kicks...makes me wanna lose my breakfast. Or something.

To go back now and watch those tanks systematically destroying almost with abandon and glee everything built by those people, knowing that inside the buildings somewhere were innocent women and children running for their lives is almost too much to bear. To know that your own gubbamint is willing and able to go to such lengths to carry out their evil agenda is more than chilling.

The comment by the journalist that it is the media's job to dig deep and uncover the facts, the truth as it were, and in this case the media was asleep at the wheel, was the most chilling statement made.

Yes, where was the media at Waco, Ruby Ridge, Charlottesville, when Whites were being both abused and abandoned by their gubbamint? Where???

As I sat here thinking this morning, I suddenly realized all these incidents, and many more involving Whites, are all connected but your average White person doesn't get it. White people exerting their constitutionally protected right to free speech, and freedom of assembly, and freedom of association, the right to express ourselves, the right to live our lives as we want...and our gubbamint despises us for all of it.

Lies, lies, and more lies from the gubbamint, from the jew media...and your average White person doesn't have a clue.

I wish there was something we could do to bring attention to the anniversary date of Waco, but also bring in Ruby Ridge, and all the damn lies of Charlottesville.

Emily, I wish you lived near me. We could do a helluva street corner demonstration with signs and fliers. Individuals who do things tend to be viewed as wackos. Pardon the pun.
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So the government killed a cult of multi-racial end of the world nut jobs led by a paedophile.

And that's a bad thing??
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So the government killed a cult of multi-racial end of the world nut jobs led by a paedophile.

And that's a bad thing??
Nobody here is defending the Davidians. The point is, if the government would do that to them, they'd do the same to anyone else.
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So the government killed a cult of multi-racial end of the world nut jobs led by a paedophile.

And that's a bad thing??
Yeah, that's a bad thing.

Cuz kids don't choose who their parents are, for one. And if for no other reason, that'd be enough.

If the Govt. had decided the Evangelical School I was attending at the exact time the Davidians were being murdered was chock full o' nuts (it was!) and shot up the place, then gassed us kiddos for 6 hours...yes, that's a bad thing.
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Thanks Emily for posting the video. I just watched the entire thing and I had forgotten many of the sickening details. At the time this occurred, I was hip deep in working full time as a caseworker, and running an animal rights' group, and doing full time animal rescue work around the clock. I'm almost ashamed that I did not pay closer attention to this horror, and realize it for what it was.
I was 15 when they were being murdered, and totally absorbed in my own life, not understanding the magnitude, and not knowing the details til many years later. I felt bad later for my indifferent attitude at the time, but I was a kid. Combine teenage 'me' thinking with not realizing what the government did there, and you have a recipe for stoopid, lol.

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What a horrifying, completely inexcusable event the entire episode was. To watch those tanks being manned by those mindless, idiotic gubbamint homicidal out of control maniacs--the same people who are being honored by the conservacucks every day, and who make up the rank and file of local law enforcement who deprive us of our rights on a daily basis, shoot our pets, trump up charges, lie outright, arrest us over nothing, and kill us for kicks...makes me wanna lose my breakfast. Or something.

To go back now and watch those tanks systematically destroying almost with abandon and glee everything built by those people, knowing that inside the buildings somewhere were innocent women and children running for their lives is almost too much to bear. To know that your own gubbamint is willing and able to go to such lengths to carry out their evil agenda is more than chilling.

The comment by the journalist that it is the media's job to dig deep and uncover the facts, the truth as it were, and in this case the media was asleep at the wheel, was the most chilling statement made.

Yes, where was the media at Waco, Ruby Ridge, Charlottesville, when Whites were being both abused and abandoned by their gubbamint? Where???

As I sat here thinking this morning, I suddenly realized all these incidents, and many more involving Whites, are all connected but your average White person doesn't get it. White people exerting their constitutionally protected right to free speech, and freedom of assembly, and freedom of association, the right to express ourselves, the right to live our lives as we want...and our gubbamint despises us for all of it.

Lies, lies, and more lies from the gubbamint, from the jew media...and your average White person doesn't have a clue.

I wish there was something we could do to bring attention to the anniversary date of Waco, but also bring in Ruby Ridge, and all the damn lies of Charlottesville.

Emily, I wish you lived near me. We could do a helluva street corner demonstration with signs and fliers. Individuals who do things tend to be viewed as wackos. Pardon the pun.
Thanks for this post--I think something on Feb 28 through April 19 would be good, you're right, but it could be internet based. With all that is wrong with the interwebs, that is one good thing about it, people can learn, they can communicate, and it can't be completely quashed like in can in regular media yet.

*On another note: you should've seen the news when I lived in Austin and some WNists dropped flyers in a South Austin neighborhood. Eeekkk! It was reported on the 6 and 10 o'clock news like they'd found WMDs.

....South Austin has gangs, MS-13, niggers, etc.....but they done found themselves some fliers telling White people to like deyselves and breed with each other. Sheeeit!
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Yeah, that's a bad thing.

Cuz kids don't choose who their parents are, for one. And if for no other reason, that'd be enough.
They'd only grow up to cause trouble, why let a problem fester when you can properly deal with it early.
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