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Old February 27th, 2015 #1
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The prophet Ibrāhīm is stated to have originally been from "Ur of the Chaldees"
Chaldeans certainly did not exist in Mesopotamia at the time that Abraham is believed to have existed (circa 1800-1700 BC). This fact casts serious doubt on the chronological accuracy and historicity of the Abrahamic story. On the other hand, the traditional identification with a site in Assyria (a nation in Upper Mesopotamia both predating Chaldea by well over one thousand three hundred years, and one which was never recorded in historical annals as ever having been inhabited by the much later arriving Chaldeans) would then imply the later sense of "Babylonia". Some interpreters have additionally identified Abraham's birthplace with Chaldia in Asia Minor on the Black Sea, a distinct region utterly unrelated geographically, culturally and ethnically to the south east Mesopotamian Chaldea. According to the Book of Jubilees, Ur Kaśdim (and Chaldea) took their name from Ara and Kesed, descendants of Arpachshad. However, by the beginning of the 21st century, and despite sporadic attempts by more conservative theologically minded scholars such as Kenneth Kitchen to save these Biblical patriarchal narratives as actual true history, many modern archaeologists, orientalists and historians had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible or realistic 'historical figures'"
 
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The Old Testament Biblical narrative, and Genesis in particular, may be a composite record gathered from Babylonians, Sumerians and others. I do not believe it entirely unique to the ancient Hebrews, who probably carried much of the story with them to Canaan from their origins in the region of Northern Mesopotamia. Abraham himself may be a composite character.

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The prophet Ibrāhīm is stated to have originally been from "Ur of the Chaldees"

Chaldeans certainly did not exist in Mesopotamia at the time that Abraham is believed to have existed (circa 1800-1700 BC). This fact casts serious doubt on the chronological accuracy and historicity of the Abrahamic story. On the other hand, the traditional identification with a site in Assyria (a nation in Upper Mesopotamia both predating Chaldea by well over one thousand three hundred years, and one which was never recorded in historical annals as ever having been inhabited by the much later arriving Chaldeans) would then imply the later sense of "Babylonia". Some interpreters have additionally identified Abraham's birthplace with Chaldia in Asia Minor on the Black Sea, a distinct region utterly unrelated geographically, culturally and ethnically to the south east Mesopotamian Chaldea. According to the Book of Jubilees, Ur Kaśdim (and Chaldea) took their name from Ara and Kesed, descendants of Arpachshad. However, by the beginning of the 21st century, and despite sporadic attempts by more conservative theologically minded scholars such as Kenneth Kitchen to save these Biblical patriarchal narratives as actual true history, many modern archaeologists, orientalists and historians had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible or realistic 'historical figures'"

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The Old Testament Biblical narrative, and Genesis in particular, may be a composite record gathered from Babylonians, Sumerians and others. I do not believe it entirely unique to the ancient Hebrews, who probably carried much of the story with them to Canaan from their origins in the region of Northern Mesopotamia. Abraham himself may be a composite character.
 
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None have ever located the Aramaeans People. They can be found in Sophene; Orontid Dynasty.
Some have suggested a continuity with the Hittite name Arnuwanda.

The Book of Genesis tells the story of Joseph, Jacob's youngest son, and his sojourn in Egypt.
In time, the cultural Amorites came to be referred to as Aramaeans. Amorites are Hyksos.

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