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I disagree with you on why our organizing efforts have gone wrong. I think it is largely because we have poor leadership.
Our leaders generally fall into two groups. First, there are people with considerable talents other than leadership, who end up in leadership roles anyway, because they feel that somebody has to do it. I think that this is true of Pierce and Strom, for instance. Second, there are the crazies, which includes the people I used to work for, as well as characters with severe personality disorders like Bill White. David Duke is a natural politician, but he has effectively retired. Aside from him, can you think of anybody else in the US who has been a good political leader since George Lincoln Rockwell? I really can't. I don't know much about Doles. As for Hale and Steele, were they targeted for being effective leaders? In Hale's case, I suspect it is because a number of spree killers were connected to Hale's church. As for Steele, he was a lawyer who pissed off a lot of lawyers and Feebs over the years. Steele was effectively retired, so I expect that he was targeted for what he had done rather than for what he would be likely to do. You will hate to hear this, but the people I most admire on the American racialist right are Jared Taylor and Willis Carto, largely for the same reason: they are fundamentally rational men who are capable of creating and running organizations and publications. We need that sort of under the hood competence as a foundation for everything else. We need WNs not just with fighting skills, but with business and organizational skills. Those have to come first. We believe that the system is collapsing. We believe that things are going to get worse and worse. Why not put our money where our mouths are? Why not position ourselves to profit from the collapse? Why then are not WNs with any business experience going into industries that grow in collapsing and failed states? There is always money to be made, no matter how bad the economy gets. For instance, the personal security industry is a huge in the Third World, protecting the rich and powerful. It will be a growth industry as the US goes Third World. The rich and powerful will pay for the privilege of delivering their lives, their secrets, and their wealth into the hands of mercenaries military and spy backgrounds. Fascinating, no? |
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I see you as doing exactly what I say - blaming us for what is enemy activity. Two examples from Pierce alone: the FBI/ADL were running covers on all his outgoing and incoming mail. So they basically know who all his people are. So they are perfectly positioned to apply pressure to anybody in the respectable middle class, making good money, who supports him. They can let NA run as long as it serves their interest, then reel him in any time they find it to their advantage, on this technicality or that. And, they have guys like you and Jared Taylors who will immediately leap in and blame the victim for screwing up. This is precisely the problem I'm pointing to. It is the MAIN problem we face in organizing. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is the only problem we face. Quote:
Now again, remember, we're operating on your theory that whites don't know how to organize a piss-up in a brewery. Yet here's a blue-collar guy, a freakin' prison guard, getting hundreds of pissed off folks together and thinking about ways to reclaim the country. Now, you say it's not them, it's us. And then my theory kicks in, and I say, well, Chertoff spent approximately $2 million to take Doles down. Your theory cannot account for that fact. It fits my theory perfectly. The problem ain't us. It's the enemy. A white man develops a following, a party, it gets beyond whatever the organizational equivalent is to Stalin's 10,000 magazine circulation, then feds and kikes come together to quash it and jail or murder the leader. That's what's actually going on in this country, and you have no excuse not to see it. Quote:
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As for Taylor, he's with the jews. That, obviously, gives him protection WN don't get. It is the reason he is never arrested or harassed (except by the lowest level anti-white retards). If Taylor were a genuine WN, and said the true things about jews, he'd get the same treatment we do. In fact, all he does is serve as a useful example the System can manipulate to persuade whites that it's us that's the problem rather than the enemy. Then again, what does Taylor organize? One conference every two years. That's next to nothing. Taylor is basically just a guy who does a newsletter. And a website of no particular interest. Quote:
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What if Jared Taylor were a WN instead of a jewfront. And what if he organized a conference. And what if when the left tried to shut it down he had 1000 Whites armed with whatever was legal ready to kick the ass of any who tried to break his contract - to trash the homes of these anonymous callers, and break the arms of any who tried to block access to the conference meeting site? That's how the game is played when a side is serious. And our lack of ability to field such an Aryan army defines our current unseriousness. Right now all we can honestly say is we provide solid analysis. Until we have physical forces to enforce our theoretical constitutional rights, we don't have shit. Blaming whites for the actions of ZOG/Big Jew is precisely what the enemy, jared taylor for example, encourages us to do. Last edited by Alex Linder; January 28th, 2011 at 08:13 PM. |
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To say that we need better leaders is not equivalent to saying that we are entirely to blame for our problems.
Look, I don't deny that the system takes down our people: Doles, Strom, Duke, Steele, Zundel, Rudolf, etc. But I don't think that is the sole explanation for why we are so poorly organized and led. I have spent a lot of time observing some of our "leaders" close up, and I know that they could do more and better. That is still true even if the system could shut them down any time they liked. I agree with you that the system would not be so ready to persecute us if its functionaries feared physical retaliation from racially conscious whites. Yes, some of our more sensitive, marginal people are from time to time driven to acts of wildcat violence by the climate of anti-white hate created by our enemies. But they are pretty indiscriminate about their targets. And when the system and its functionaries are targeted, such as the murder of the husband and mother of the Judge who destroyed the Church of the Creator, it turns out that the perp was a crazy Jew. Still, the system was obviously afraid that a white racist was striking back. The same is true of the retaliation in OKC for Waco. It too was not the work of racially conscious whites. When Loughner was being linked to white nationalists, part of that was sheer opportunism. But part of it was genuine fear. The system knows that whites as a group have the most to be upset about. Yet whites are the group least inclined to violence. And that includes racially-conscious whites as well. It amazes me that there is not even one "lone wolf" out there who has taken HUNTER to heart. I would like to think this is because most of our people are rational enough to realize that violence against the system is counter-productive and that our focus should be on constructing an alternative. |
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The problems we face are technical, far more than any other category. You can try to force them into a lack of romantic-heroic valor or charisma or whatever, but that's really not it. We simply do not have the technical ability to defend ourselves against the enemy right now. I think people who are extroverted and get along with others and really enjoy people in general - they make this mistake over and over. They think, despite all the evidence, that failures to date are a matter of personality, rather than impersonal politics. This is a variation on the other problem I've mentioned, the Anglo-Christian conservative proclivity for letting the personal trump the political. We overlook that X, who is "us," says jews are white, and lets them in the tent. And we mock any who make distinctions and use them as the basis for discriminations as "purists." We pat ourselves on the back for being unprincipled, is what this amounts to. Not only is it foolish, it is dangerous. And then we take the next logical step into danger: assume that the enemy is just like us. Just as unprincipled. Just as careless and open about who's under its tent. Just as willing to place the personal over the political principle as inclusive we are. It is not so. The enemy is ahead of us in large measure precisely because he never makes it personal. This is a huge point, and it goes entirely undiscussed by our side, which is nearly impervious to reasoned political analysis. (For two reasons: our anti-intellectual British heritage; and our pro-supernatural Christian legacy.) Desperately we need to get to an ideological thinking that separates friends from enemies and is ruthless toward the latter and demanding of the former. Quote:
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It's hard to say for sure whether the government truly fears WN, or whether that's entirely for public consumption. I think it's about 10% real fear, and 90% manufactured to fool the mouthbreathers. From where I sit, anyone fearing WN today is exceptionally unobservant. I'm sure the jews know this. The goy frontmen who are a lot of the System pols on tv, and some of the dumber analysts on tv, probably fall for the lies and actually believe WN are a real threat. Now, I do think ZOG - the jews and their government - fear the potential of WN, because they know that, despite their pretense, they do not speak for the community, Whites do. There's a standing danger some party or person of unusual ability will threaten to connect the White masses with their true long-term interests. And jews are well aware that white behavior shows that in fact the bulk of the race does not now, never has, and never will accept the imposed anti-white multicultural orthodoxy. The thing about violence, say assassinations, is the jews can't stop it by passing laws against it. They can't suppress assassinations like they suppress opinions. So that danger will always be there, and it's the #1 reason they want to take the White man's guns. Like they have in most of the rest of the white nations. We've seen a couple 'human rights' anti-Whites served justice in Russia in the last couple years, and the judeo-left has been unable to determine or catch the political warrior responsible. That's the kind of thing the judeo-left actually fears, because it can't do anything about it. The last thing in the world the judeo-left fears is some faggot like Jared Taylor being gentlemanly, as he terms his cowardice. Quote:
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You can cay what you like about violence, but it's certainly interesting that I've never heard a judeo-leftist say that violence is counter-productive, and I've never lived in a system that wasn't dominated by judeo-leftists. You're a smart guy, and I listen to what you say, but if I'm taking tips on how to be a political winners, I'm going to start by examining the words and actions of the all-time heavyweights, and those certainly appear to be the jews. The jews, their words, their behavior - that's where we should look for tips and political wisdom. The mere fact we hate jews and we like people like MacDonald doesn't mean he has more wisdom than the people actually running things. That's just common sense, but common sense that is almost impossible to find among our side. Last edited by Alex Linder; January 31st, 2011 at 12:36 AM. |
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Neo-nazis sue fed for right to murder jews
On the one hand, yes, of course, people have the right to defend themselves when their lives are threatened, there is even precedent for this position in Canadian law, let alone American law.
But on the other hand, for all the excellent reasons sited above; > low numbers, > few resources > Illegal but used just the same brute force against any one of us who even comes remotely close to getting their act together > You all get the picture;- we can not do anything. So..., we need to do all those things that are inhibiting us from doing what needs to be done, BEFORE we can actually attempt to do what we basically all agree the solution will eventually boil down to. I persoanlly think suing the Government is something that is a very effective means of breaking down barriers. The question is..., what do we sue them for? I say that we should sue for the right to inflict violence on Jews based on the Talmud teachings and that they are killing us. Suing people takes relatively few resources and can have incredible media consequences. Imagine the headlines by our enemies: NEO-NAZIS SUE FED FOR RIGHT TO MURDER JEWS By baby steps we will create the conditions we need to achieve our ends. We may lose the suit, but we will sure gain some helpers! |
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Chapter 64 Our Unswerving Program. Our program to overcome the tyranny and violence against us must proceed in the following order, from one emergency to the next: 1. It is not our objective to declare a war of violence against the Jews, niggers and other mud races. We will assert ourselves non-violently but be adamant in our pursuit to freely practice our religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution. We will demand, as everyone else, the right to peacefully assemble, as guaranteed by the Constitution, and the right to organize. 2. As we organize our churches, we will distribute NATURE’S ETERNAL RELIGION and this, our WHITE MAN’S BIBLE, until we have placed a copy in the hands of a majority of our White Racial Comrades. We will make sure every White Man, woman and child understands the Jewish conspiracy that is now upon us. 3. As the White Race becomes united, informed and aroused we will boycott every Jew and every aspect of Jewish influence in our society. This includes boycotting the Jews in business, in their professions, in their political activities, in education, in religion, in the news media, theatre, etc. Not only will we boycott them, but we will expose them, point them out and wage propaganda warfare against them, just as they are presently doing against the White Race. This we can do legally and very effectively once we get our religious structure organized. 4. We thereby intend to drive them from our society in all phases of influence and power, just as Hitler did in Germany. We will let them peacefully “wither on the vine” or let them peacefully migrate to Israel where the Arabs can contend with them. In no case will we any longer subsidize them, do business with them, or allow our White Racial Comrades to be used as victims to promote the welfare of these parasites on our backs. 5. Once we have driven them from political office, we will follow this up with legal measures to forever exclude the Jews from positions of power or influence in government, education, propaganda, arts and theatre or any other meaningful influence in our society, as did Hitler in Germany, and as did the Byzantine Empire over a thousand years earlier, and as the bandit state of Israel has done to all peoples who are not of Jewish birth. 6. In the meantime, while we are still in the process of regaining control of our own destiny, in no case will we ever surrender any of our guns or weapons, under any pretext, ruse or semblance of law whatsoever. Never, never, never, not even one gun. The Second Amendment gives us the constitutional right to keep our guns, and we damn well mean to exercise that right at all costs. 7. So far everything is legal. We have demanded nothing more than our Constitutional rights, the same as every other citizen. We hope we will need go no further. Now we come to the crux of our position: Should the Jewish government use force to violate our Constitutional rights to freely practice our religion; to peacefully assemble; to peacefully organize; to distribute our White Man’s Bible; to use the mails and any other prerogative in promoting and expanding our legal religious organization and the full practice of our religion, then we have every right to declare them as open criminals violating the Constitution and the highest law of the land. They then obviously are the criminals, and we can then treat them like the criminal dogs they are and take the law into our own hands. This is the obvious, logical thing to do. We must then meet force with force and open warfare exists. It will then be open season on all Jews. 8. Should the Jews use assassination against our members, or our leaders, then the White Race must meet fire with fire, and retribution and vengeance will be our answer. For every one of ours they kill we will exact ten times their number, starting with the rabbis. When law and persuasion no longer protect our rights to survival then we must— as all free, courageous, intelligent people have done through the ages— turn on our tormentors with a furious vengeance and destroy them down to the last man. This is the thing the Jews fear above all— violence directly against their race, and rightfully so. With our superior numbers and fighting qualities, the Jews would be wiped out mercilessly, should they violate our Constitutional rights and inflict violence against us. |
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That is the American version. Now in Canada, the Fucking Kike Bastards have been breaking the law with the backing of the "courts/establishment" for decades. According to the above proclamation, Canadians should have been raising dogs on Jew meat ages ago. And for those of you who would never feed Jew meat to their dogs, may I suggest that a new breed of dog be created specifically to track Jews and that is capable of digesting Jew meat. |
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Covington to this day claims that he signed Hinckley's NSPA membership card and that Hinckley was carrying it when he shot Reagan, but if that had been the case then the Secret Service wouldn't have dismissed the connection as they did. Greg Johnson needs to wise up about Covington. Covington is the carny and Johnson is the rube.
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I have been doing some heavy thinking about violence in our struggle to survive and I'll admit I am unsure as to when, where and how violence should be used in our struggle to not only stay alive but to safe guard our future and the future of our children.
Quite frankly I'm at a loss on this matter so any advice or insights are welcomed. |
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If you must use violence other than defensively, don't join an organization, so that at least you won't drag other people down with you when you get caught. Furthermore, most of the people that focus on methods of violence in relation to racial issues are reckless and not very serious about accomplishing anything, and they tend to develop criminal records, which makes them very likely to become informants. The last thing anybody with any wits should want to do is to join an organization of people that like to talk about violence. That's a conspiracy charge waiting to happen. Best to accept that violence or violent posturing for the time being is a dead-end approach.
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I understand what you are saying and that's some good advice but where do we as a race draw the line in the sand so to say and start fighting back? |
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I thought I had answered that. Are you trolling for somebody to advocate illegal violence?
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Beleve you me I wish there was some other way to solve this matter but the jewish scum keep push for a major conflect localy and globaly so it's only a matter time before a major war brakes out not only in our jew occupied nations but a major world war. |
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People have been anticipating the race-war/collapse-of-the-system for many decades now, fantasizing about the day when they can finally start shooting niggers with impunity. Maybe it will happen before Jesus and Hitler return together in a UFO, but I am acting on the assumption that it won't.
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I find this whole sittuation to be intollable I just with that the shit would hit the fan so we can go about taking back our lands but on the other side of the issue I do know that when and if the shit hits the fan it's going to be a major cluster fuck of biblical porpotions. |
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A lot more is accomplished that way than by going off half-cocked.
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Good point and I do agree that going off half cocked is a bad idea, but deep down I have this sinking feeling that sooner or later(sooner then any of us realize)that our race will be FORCED to fight for it survival through violent means, I mean look at how we are trying to fight these anti white laws and mind set but as far as I can tell it does not seem to be doing any good over all.
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I think the public basically falls into two categories - conservatives and liberals.
Nothing we can say or do is likely to change a liberal's mind because they are committed to supporting everything that most of us are against - the very things that the Jew promotes in their efforts to destroy us as a race: integration, feminism, homosexuality, immigration, environmentalism, diversity, etc. Those are all liberal causes. On the other hand, I think conservatives are more susceptible to being swayed in our direction. Sure, most of them are brainless, church-going, patriotic, Israel defending bozos, but at least they are interested in preserving some of the same things that WN want to preserve. Conservatives should be the people we focus on in our efforts to expose the Jews for who and what they are. Conservatives just need to be exposed to the facts; it's our job to do that. That should be our work and the primary focus of our efforts. |
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