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Old July 10th, 2006 #1
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Default #23 In Depth with 'Alex from Germany'

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Media featured in this interview includes:

Faustrecht: Deutscher Sozialimus, Die Macht Des Kapitals, Kampf Dem Kapital

Aspeckt (WMA, 42 MB) <a href="http://www.buywhite.net/shoutcast/shoutcast-1-9-5-linux-glibc6/content/npd-schule.wmv">Npd-Schule</a>

Frank Rennicke(mp3) <a href="http://www.buywhite.net/shoutcast/shoutcast-1-9-5-linux-glibc6/content/frank_rennicke-rotejugend.mp3">Rote Jugend</a>

[ Opening music: Faustrecht, Deutscher Sozialimus ]

Welcome to the broadcast. This is the 23 edition of TTIND.

We have a special broadcast tonight. Alex from Germany is in the studio and we'll be surveying all things German: culture, politics, music and even the Third Reich.

Unlike in past decades, we tonight, are able to speak directly without a filter placed between Germans and Americans. Our foes, those who would divide and cause conflict between the Germans and Americans, have exploited language and the cultural distintiveness between the English speaking world and Germany. Our foes, particularly those in media and goverment, have repeatedly decieved us about Germany - we tonight are smashing through this curtain of deception!

Welcome to the broadcast Alex.


Q1: In regards to the music we opened the show with tonight: what is the name of that band and what is that song's message

Q2: Considering the legal restrictions on certain forms of political dialogue in Germany, is music one outlet for thought and feelings which is difficult for the authorities to stifle?

Q3: Can you guess, Alex, how many Germans have been found guilty of violating laws regulating speech or interpreting history differently than the official version as defined by the post-War German state?

Q4: In 2004, former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt said this to a reporter:

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"the problems resulting from the influx of mostly Turkish Gastarbeiter, or guest workers, had been neglected in Germany and the rest of Europe. They could be overcome only by authoritarian governments..."
Were these words publicized in Germany and if so were they widely commented upon in the German media?

[ Music: Faustrecht, Die Macht Des Kapitals ]


Q5: Ok, lets talk more about political realities in Germany today. Lets start first with the regional differences in Germany and how they affect politics in Germany. For instance, I've been told the German anthem 'Deutchland Uber Alles' refers not to the supremacy of Germans over non-Germans but the supremacy of German nationality over the various regional forms of identity? Is that correct?


Q6: During my university years, I spoke with a German lady, and she mentioned to me her opposition to the unification of Eastern Germany with Western Germany after the events of 1989. Why might some Germans be opposed to unification?


Q7: As an outsider, looking at Germany from a distance, it seems to me real centers of political opposition exist in the Eastern and Northern sections of Germany. Is that observation correct? Why might this be the case?

[ Music: Faustrecht, Kampf Dem Kapital ]


Q8: Ok, lets talk about the Third Riech. Lets talk mainly about the period from 1933 to 1939. The time when National Socialist domestic concerns and policies manifested themselves most in Germany.

The interest American White Nationalists - and perhaps all English speaking White Nationalists - have in the period transcends a mere superficial attraction to the uniforms and rallies common to the National Socialist era. The deeper meaning of National Socialist Germany, I think, is best summarized by Professor Kevin MacDonald, he writes:

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"The National Socialist movement in Germany from 1933 - 1945 is a departure from Western tendencies toward universalism and muted individualism in the direction of racial nationalism and cohesive collectivism."
Is this assessment of National Socialist Germany accurate? Is MacDonald on to something? How do you interpret the National Socialist movement? Do you think the Germans are properly educated about the Nazi time?

Q9: In the US we have a 2 party monopoly on politics. That is both parties are working for the same objectives: open borders, world empire, and protection and propagation of global capitalist policies and institutions. Politics in the United States is a bit like a football game in which both teams are pushing the ball towards the same goal line. Is this also the case in Germany?

Q10: In September of 2005 Germany elected, by a thin margin, Angela Merkel. She defeated Gerhard Schroeder. As I watched this election through the filter of the controlled US media it became apparent the US govt-media complex did not like Chancellor Schroeder and wanted Mrs. Merkel elected.

I think there were two important reasons for this: 1) Gerhard Schroeder opposed some of globalist economic policies favored by Washington and perhaps more importantly, 2) defied Washington by leading European opposition to the Iraq War. Do you think these observations are correct?


Q11: I'd like to play an audio clip from a video you sent to me. It is from a show, which I think is called "Aspect" in English, and it features many interviews with Germans associated with the NPD - a nationalist Germany party - let me play a short clip from the video and perhaps you could explain this what this show is about.

[ Video Audio Clip: Aspeckt, Npd-Schule]

Q12: Alex, I'd like to open up this conversation, and allow you a chance to ask me questions. I'd also like to give you the opportunity to address literally hundreds of White Nationalist from all over the English speaking world - the US, Canada, Australia and Great Britain. If there are things you'd like us to know about Germany please tell us.

[ Close interview ]

[ Music: Frank Rennicke, Rote Jugend ]
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Old August 6th, 2006 #2
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Exclamation Some criticism on "Alex"

I don't know whether this is the appropriate forum section to post criticism of a certain broadcast. If not, please feel free to transfer this comment.

The 'TTIND' broadcasts are very important in the ideological training of the White Racialists of the 21th Century. The following criticism is merely to a given aspect of the particular broadcast.

Although I always enjoy attention given to European affairs, as a native Fleming, however I fear that the interview with "Alex" was only minor relating to the European situation. I fear "Alex" is very close to the rock band "Faustrecht" who propagate a certain Strasserism and portray there very own brand of nationalism. That said, I would like to point out that this undercurrent is in fact the smallest of all present sub-ideologies within the broader pro-European movement.

I particularly take objection to an answer given that isn't repeated in the text above.
Geoff Beck brings us Kevin MacDonald's theory of National-Socialism as a reactive, collective evolutionary strategy. That is: a response to certain historical situations of the Weimar Republic. Furthermore his quote stated that National-Socialism was rather differing from European mainland history whereas it presented a very collective strategy, although Europeans had always been placed on the extreme-left of the antropological scale of individualism-collectivism, with Chinese and Jews placed on the extreme-right.
A very interesting and worthwile point.

Alex' answer was very poormy construed: "Yes, but that is basically a middle class view of German National-Socialism. Not the actual party program, but the perception of the German workers mattered, in that they viewed National-Socialism rather as an anti-capitalist force."

I take strong obkection to this response. First of all it is historically ficticious. It present an erroneous view on history where not the actual facts and proofs matter, but merely the public's perception. That is a very short-sighted, subjective feeling destroying the objective standards of history.
In the analysis of historical National-Socialism it is totally irrelevant how the workers viewed the party programme (or rather said: which parts of that programme appealled to them above other parts), just as irrelevant as how they reacted to the party uniforms.
Secondly I take even greater objection to the sneer at "middle class point of view"? I know Faustrecht propagate a distinct version of the Socialist Class Struggle, but I was surprised to see this bullshit repeated on VNN without any criticism.

We stand for a Racial Struggle, to which economical matters are secondary. The egalitarian socialist Class Struggle Alex seemed to propagate is totally alien to this concept.

I doens't need much insight to know that many great White Racialist temporarily took on a socialist stance (again: as a reactive phanomenon) from Jack London to Adolf Hitler, but in both cases their racial loyalty overrid their economical agenda. I fear this is not the case of Alex, just like that tiny sect of Strasserists in Germany.

I hope to have presented my objection eloquently and clearly.
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Old August 6th, 2006 #3
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I don't know whether this is the appropriate forum section to post criticism of a certain broadcast. If not, please feel free to transfer this comment.
Paul:

Your criticisms are valid and worth noting.

I've had other Germans, and an American living in Germany, object to several of Alex's positions. Let me repeat what I have told them: Alex brought his views to the table, and as such I respect them; Alex is an avowed "left wing" National Socialist.

Now, I would argue a majority of VNN readers have emerged from a conservative/libertarian ideological background and look with caution upon Alex's views. Yet, National Socialism in Germany had a very strong left wing undercurrent, this cannot be ignored.

Still, I'd guess, many ideas Alex presented to VNN are not ones considered by most American White Nationalists: mainly his left wing economic views. This is something American White Nationalists need to think about, we don't often discuss economic theory: do we want a national economy or one with truly open trade? I've heard both arguments on this forum.

Now, as far as the racial matter. Alex didn't comment much upon that subject, though from private conversations I've held with him, I do not doubt he is in solidarity with the racial objectives of White Nationlists. I strongly suspect that Alex cannot go into great depth on the racial question due to speech restrictions within Germany.

Perhaps, Paul, we could have an interview and discuss these matters? Not just economics but a wide range of topics. I assume you are from Germany, or speak German?
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Old August 8th, 2006 #4
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The NSDAP was not the only nationalist Party in Germany back then.And the question remains as to why the DNVP got only 8% of the votes.Why they managed to get only a small portion of the middle class votes and why no german worker voted much less participated in this party.

These are not "irrelevant" questions and to deem them as such is highly irresponsible to say the least.The answer to these questions is the economical standpoint of the NSDAP.Or,even more important,the perceived economical standpoint of the NSDAP by the german worker and the population as a whole.

Because,seriously,if we are to do no socio-economical analyzing of these important matters but rather stay theorizeing about "jewish dominance" day in day out than we should better take the path of the DNVP instead.

This fact becomes even more obvious when one listens to the good things people who lived through the time said afterwards: "We had no unemploment,everyone had work,the class bounderies were partly overcome etc".

The economical standpoint,or how you call it:"egalitarian socialist Class Struggle",is actually the most important of all points today as it was back then.

When Faustrecht sings:"The reward for overcoming this system will be freedom and just wages for our hard work" they speak for millions of Germans who feel the same way.Even those currently not in the movement.Left as well as right.

Btw i would like to inform you,since as a Belgian you dont seem up to date with the german movement,that Faustrecht does rather good and are very popular among German nationalists and that what you call a "tiny sect of Strasserists" is actually becoming ever stronger and accepted "worldview" among German nationalists.At least those actually active within the movement.Not talking about the "net-nazis".
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Old August 9th, 2006 #5
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Alex,

To compare the NSDAP with the DNVP and only point at differing economical programs is ludicrous. We are talking about essentially different parties, comprised of different personalities with different strategies.
You might want to over-emphasize the economical aspects, fine, but it goes without saying that this is a very personal approach, not so much an historical one.
While it is certainly true that the NSDAP used socialist themes most of all existing nationalist parties, that still doesn't have a meaning in evaluating our present strategies.
Maybe you are confusing correlation, consequence and non-related items? It might as well be possible that the NS success was due to other factors.

And for exact-historical usage: the figures I have seen clearly demonstrate an under-representation of workers within the party.
At no moment in history did workers comprise the majority of party members.
Although the German society was comprized of 45,9% workers, they were underrepesentated with a mere 28,1% in party membership. Entrepreneurs with their tiny share of 9% of the total population brought in 20,7% of party adherance.
I am not ignoring all the wonderful workers programs the NSDAP implemented, but I regard these as peripheral compared to their true heeding.
Personally I deem the people's perception of an historical aspect less decisive than its true nature. I am not doubting that the people's perception of FRD was that of a peace-monger, the subtle reality was that FDR implemented war, contrary to people's perception. If we were to evaluate FDR in 2006 we would use the facts at our disposal and not the dated, clearly misled perception.
Of course I am not comparing Hitler to FDR but the basic analogy is valid.

I repeat my criticism on Alex' answer to Kevin MacDonald's analysis of National-Socialism as a reactive phanomenon, a fairly new evolution towards collectivism amidst individualist European history. Saying that this is "middle class" is utter nonsense and a basic phalacy: either an argument works or it doens't work. We are not here to castigate worthwile people and their ideas as "middle class" when their basic analysis is right.

Furthermore I have absolutely no bias against pro-workers programs. However I object to over-emphasizing class struggle and under-emphasizing race struggle. My reference to two great examples (Adolf Hitler and Jack London) within the broad proto-socialist movement was valid. However we see here an economist approach (at least part of it) to achieve racial goals. Not the other way around.

Being of Belgian descent hasn't stopped me exploring the German scene in the slightest way. I am very much up to date with the German nationalist milieu.
Yes, Faustrecht is popular. So what? So are the hundreds of animalistic Oi-Oi-bands who glamourize fighting and drinking. The selling of cd's honestly can't be the standard of gaining momentum.
Even if the neo-Strasserists would see a rise of 100% in adherence, basically from 0,2% to 0,4% of German nationalists, that still remains marginal.

To conclude I would like to state that I don't have the slightest objection to airing dissident voices within the nationalist community. "Du choc des idées jailleriat la lumière!". Ours is a movement of 1000 chambers where all ideologies and subcultures may reside.
It is in this context that I critisized the over-emphasis on "workers struggle" and other neo-Trotskyte vocabulary. These are fine, as line as the basic line is met.
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Paul,

the socio-economical standpoint of the NSDAP and the of DNVP was the major and crucial difference betwenn these two nationalist parties.

Only 35% of Germans were middle-class in the Weimar Republic.To not be a Workers Party would be sheer madness.The immidiate political interests of the working class Germans were fundamentaly different than those of the middle class.While the working class has had to confront poverty,hunger and exploitation for the middle class other issues were more important.

Some more important statistics: By 1932 the NSDAP got 25% of the workers votes which is more than the 23% of the communists (KPD) and the 22% of the Social Democrats (SPD). Now as a Belgian you might not know but both the KPD and the SPD were very working-class oriented and had a tight grip over their clientele.For example: today there are german families who proudly present the SPD party books of their grand-grandfather,proudly saying that they are 4th generation SPD members etc. For a third Party to break into this clientele and actually win the biggest share of the workers votes speaks volumes about the essence and ideals of NS.

A even more important statistic in my opinion is that from the very beginning a constant 40% of the Party were working class Germans.Tis means that the NSDAP saw itself from the very beginning as a workers party (with all the cosnequences this has for the actual propaganda,ideals as well as objectives the party would have) and in turn attracted german workers thereby.

The DNVP on the other hand prefered a return to the pre-wordlwar1 Germany. They wanted to reerect Kaiser Germany.While this rectionery view would have appeased part of the middle class Germans (as it actually did) it was a big no no for working class Germans. No matter how disappointed and angry they were at the failed Weimar Republic they under no circumstances wanted a return to the pre-1914 capitalist oppression and exploitation of the Kaiser Germany.Eventually the workers votes were split among the SPD,KPD and NSDAP with the latter gaining the biggest piece of the pie.

Also very interesting the fact that the NSDAP attracted the lower-middle class.Which means that the NSDAP attracted the poorest members of the middle-class.Oversimlyfying we can safely say that the NSDAP was a Party of the people.The normal everyday Germans and usually poorest members of all classes.

This fact is neither "fictious",nor "ludicrous",or "irrelevant" on the contrary its of the outmost importance and not understanding it is irresponsible and for todays day and age (especially in Germany dont know how you Belgians stand economically but as far as i know the flemish part is rather wealthy in contrast to the rest of the land) it would be outright madness to not accept it.

By closing some points about Faustrecht.Sure their good music might be one of the reasons the band has a big popularity among German nationalists but i guess that their lyrics have a great role to play in that too.

One last thing: i dont know if i can be called a "Strasserist" by your definition but i will say it that way: i'm sorry to inform you that of today more than 1/3 of German activists see the things the way i see them.And constantely rising. In the near future we eventually weed out all reactionery elements from the movement here.

Concluding let me say that of course i understand the racial point in the struggle and i never denied it.The problem is though that if i speak freely what i have in mind about non-whites and jews it will get me in trouble with the german law.This is one of the reasons i may sound "toned down" on these also important issues.

The other reason why i didnt focus more on the racial struggle in the interview i gave was that i felt that this has been already done successfully by other members on the forum and the broadcasts.I thought i might give another,unfortunately forgotten, angle to the historical processes which affect us today.

The third reason was my hope that i might get some communists/socialists listen to the interview get more interested in NS and eventually planting the seeds which would bring them to us.
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Old August 10th, 2006 #7
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@alex. If possible could you translate the interview to German?
 
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FYI,

Due to the service interruption the location for this interview has changed:

http://www.goyfire.com/ttind/TTIND_23.mp3 10.8 MB
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Old August 11th, 2006 #9
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Oversimlyfying we can safely say that the NSDAP was a Party of the people.The normal everyday Germans and usually poorest members of all classes.
Alex,
I am glad we basically come to the same conclusion. Not that this is absolutely necessary (vive la différence!), but it would be a shame to let this aforementioned criticism go sour.

Yes, I agree. The NSDAP was a people's party, dedicated to preservation of Volk and Kultur.
Your other point in the TTIND-interview should be repeated here: contrary to the post-WW2 disinformation and propaganda the NSDAP wasn't the bully for capitalists, not was it a bulwark for outdated reactionaries. Contrary to present-day defamation of Trotsyites we do need to stress that only the NSDAP took on a strong anti-plutocratic stance. That this coincided with an anti-Jewish policy is only too logical.

But I would have laid my emphasis quite differently. My main objection was to your reaction to Kevin MacDonald's analysis of collectivist tendencies as merely "middle class". That could only be construed as offensive and derogatory, certainly when said by someone preaching class struggle.
Maybe you aren't familiar with his writings. In that case please do look them up.

Personally I quite follow Henry Ford's remark that "ideology is bunk", i.e. choosing an evolutionairy strategy depending on the circumstances of time and location, i.e. a total pragmatism, where biological and cultural preservation are primary and the rest is only secondary. But then again that is a personal approach.

The analogy I always bring up is the following: basically we are milk-venders, regardless of the packaging. We sell a particular content. Yesterday our content was in glass. Today it is in carton and Odin knows what it might be tomorrow.
From this perspective I deem the NSDAP's socialism as the right packaging for that given period, and that we remain open for all alterations.
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