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Old April 6th, 2009 #41
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Slavery existed in the north until it wasn't profitable.
Slavery in the north was never profitable to begin with because of agrarian conditions. In other words cotton and sugar which grew just great in the south didn't grow so well in the north, soil and shit. There is no doubt in my mind however that if planting circumstances had warranted it the White gentile elite in the north would have employed slaves on a scale that would have made Rett Butler and Ashly Wilkes green with envy. An example of this would be when land more suitable for these crops was discovered towards the west, slavery spread westward and not to the north.



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I'm not sure how profitable it was in the South after Whitney invented the cotton gin. There were never more than a few hundred thousand or a couple millions slaves imported to the US, so, since there are 35m nigs today, they multiplied just fine on their own.
You are correct, sir. I goo goo'd dat shit. The total amount of slaves imported into the US was approximately 650,000. They sure are prodigious aren't they? Now we have 35 mil of the puke. But that doesn't excuse anything, especially rich White greedy motherfuckers who used the nogs as farm equipment and breeding stock to enrich themselves. Yes, we can blame jews for participating as middlemen in the slave trade but ultimately our gentile elites sold the White working man down the river. The same scumbags who are today doing the same with cheap mex labor.

Perhaps we should look to our own kind as guilty occasionally instead of painting a broad brush stroke of jews as the problem.

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Old April 6th, 2009 #42
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Not me, the topic puts the cart before the horse. The feds made it clear in the 1860s they're not going to allow any secession. So the real issue is obtaining the power. And if we had the power, we wouldnt need to secede or partition, just expel. What was that old line from Vietnam, you cant win at the negotiation tables what you havent earned in the field.
It does and it doesn't. Secession manifestos penned by neo-Confederates and the like is pure fantasy, but understanding ethnic secession movements in recent and distant history is both important and relevant to the current dilemma.

A friend of mine gave me a translated (albeit, quite roughly) copy of Tudjman's autobiography recently and it was quite a fascinating read. It got me thinking about how ethnic secession movements developed great momentum at the close of the 20th century, and in a historical/''big picture'' sense this is highly significant, even if it doesn't directly bear on Whites in the New World in a day to day sense at present.
 
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You are correct, sir. I goo goo'd dat shit. The total amount of slaves imported into the US was approximately 650,000.
I've seen different numbers, from 300,000 to 2 million. Have read that the U.S. got 9% of total number of slaves imported to the Americas.

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They sure are prodigious aren't they? Now we have 35 mil of the puke. But that doesn't excuse anything, especially rich White greedy motherfuckers who used the nogs as farm equipment and breeding stock to enrich themselves. Yes, we can blame jews for participating as middlemen in the slave trade but ultimately our gentile elites sold the White working man down the river. The same scumbags who are today doing the same with cheap mex labor.

Perhaps we should look to our own kind as guilty occasionally instead of painting a broad brush stroke of jews as the problem.
Both can be guilty simultaneously. After a time, I think most in the South were aware that bringing in Africans was a huge mistake, regardless of who -- jews and some rich whites -- were to blame. There were ways to solve the problem without war. The point the libertarians make is correct - the rest of the world abolished slavery without civil war. And yes, white elites, especially in British countries, have tended to see their fellow whites as war or commercial fodder. That is why MacDonald says Hitler and the Nazis represented something not previously seen in the West - a movement away from individualism.

The jews have trained whites in the U.S. not only not to take their own race into account, but to turn on their own families at the drop of a dime - this is a sitcom staple. Whites are supposed to chase dollars and spend any leftover time watching mass sports. And direct all charitable impulses into Semitically Correct channels - helping muds in inner cities or Botswana.
 
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It does and it doesn't. Secession manifestos penned by neo-Confederates and the like is pure fantasy, but understanding ethnic secession movements in recent and distant history is both important and relevant to the current dilemma.
Of course, historical understanding helps, but the basic thing is the desire to separate from the powers controlling the country. The particular form the secession takes really aren't very relevant. They depend on contingencies. Take the whites in the La. town outside of New Orleans. When order broke down due to the hurricane, they stopped nigs from crossing over the bridge. Collective self-defense is natural. The minute ZOG's thumb lets up, ordinary White organization reasserts itself, even among populations brainwashed for decades to love their destroyers.

Theorizing about secession is a form of fantasy since you can't secede without power. ZOG simply exterminates any group that tries. The more meaningful discussion, today, is laying out precisely the ways in which ZOG oppresses and suppresses us today, and how we can best resist, physically, politically, financially and ever other way. ZOG won't even let people opt out of its wonderful government programs, let alone its government. Identifying the mechanisms of oppression, verbal and physical, along with the most effective means of resistance - these are job #1. Talking about secession is basically a fantasy role playing game in which we pretend we have powers we don't. We aren't dealing with jews as equals. We have the numbers, in many ways, but they have all the power. Talking about secession encourages people to overlook the fact that we don't have the power to make deals. It's very similar to Jerry Taylor's premise that the problem is us rather than the jews who are oppressing us. We just aren't dressing or acting right. But our "failure" is planned and intentional - it is desired by, sought by, worked on by, our enemies. The suppression of White identity and its ultimate political expression is Systemtically thwarted. The proper focus of White concerns is the nature of the System and how to disable it. The rest could be worked out in ten minutes had we enough power to force the Systemics to the bargaining table.
 
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I've never read any of HAC's novels. Read some of his stuff that was posted on FAEM and found it long winded and boring. And his NW migration plan as unworkable.
I read A Distant Thunder, which was very good, and the third one, which was sort of just barely readable by comparison. Here's a Word version of ADT:

http://www.savefile.com/files/2069683
 
Old April 14th, 2009 #46
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Yes, there are many here at VNNF who could write a prize-winning essay, Antiochus Epiphanes is certainly among them.
you are too kind. I encourage others to write in this, but I wont, I dont see secession happening, and I think our time is more wisely used trying to think of how to game the system, milk it, bide our time, strengthen our own internal cohesion and organization, just like the kikes do.

I once wrote a 5 point essay to a list about how the state has declined in influence vis a vis NGOs. This was right after the Lebanese Hamas Militia whipped the Israelis. After that the kikes, if they were smart, should have gone back to the only Israeli worth reading, Martin Van Creveld, and asked him how did they fuck up so badly. They didnt; the israelis are going to seal their own doom over there. Anyhow I dont mind giving credit for my idea to Van Creveld. This tuchus-whuppin happened right after I finished his book "the Transofrmation of War" and to me it confirmed Van Creveld's ideas. I should say that William Lind sings the same tune as Van Creveld-- maybe one borrows from the other.

Anyhow I think the state-secession model is a waste of time to pursue. The Civil War answered the question. I guess thats what Alex is saying up there in this thread. There is no end to the USA unless it comes from a powerful group that can engineer the devolvement like the Russian Hebes may have very well engineered the breakup of the USSR so they could make a few billions off privatization auctions for kopecks on the ruble of what the state assets were truly worth.

SO in the USA if there were a devolution of hte USA there is no guarantee we would benefit from it anyhow. We are so disorganized and powerless, and the white General population so nutless and suicidal, we might very well end up worse off.

I suspect WLP figured this might be the case too, which is why Hunter may be the better work both in terms of style and content if you ask me. I wonder who that Calverhall author was that wrote the Serpents walk book one used to see sold alongside with those other 2 at gun shows. If you remember in that book, their little attempt at a white redoubt on an island gets wiped out.

as for HAC I think he's a crank. I regret that Greg even mentioned him in this challenge since HAC credibility he should not have.

I would encourage people to subscribe to TOQ.

http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/

They have a few books for sale now too, besides those identified on the website. if you get the paper pub then you will get the booklist.

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They weren't vicious enough, at least their leaders weren't. If you're going to get ground down in the longer run, then you better suprise attack or go all-out from the start - or else bide your time until you're in better position.
I think you're mistaken about this, and that you have a picture of the era that shows gentlemen with white gloves on, hesitant to dirty them. Just because they were gentlemen it doesn't follow that they weren't determined and didn't do their best. What sunk them was that they were vastly outnumbered and grossly out-financed. The same thing applied in WWII. Quantity over quality should be the US motto.

The US is way too big to be a single country. <-- That's the essay I'd like to see. It invites the Jewish question, too.
 
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Heh, and it's been done here at VNN. I recall Rounder and Ron Doggett making similar points. Basically they were saying pretty much what you are, that is if the South had won the war Southerners would have come to the proper conclusion regarding the slavery issue. I remember thinking it was an overly optimistic premise and that leaving what to do about nog slaves up to rich White Southern plantation owners (the same guys who imported slaves because they were to greedy, cheap and power hungry to give a White working man a fair wage) was pie in the sky thinking.
White Southern plantation owners never imported a single negro.

As to your 'what if', the South wasn't fighting to keep slavery because they thought it a great thing, even though some did defend it on those grounds. They fought to prevent the morons in DC from loosing Africans among the Whites. They also fought for governmental independence from such morons.
 
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Slavery in the north was never profitable to begin with because of agrarian conditions. In other words cotton and sugar which grew just great in the south didn't grow so well in the north, soil and shit. There is no doubt in my mind however that if planting circumstances had warranted it the White gentile elite in the north would have employed slaves on a scale that would have made Rett Butler and Ashly Wilkes green with envy. An example of this would be when land more suitable for these crops was discovered towards the west, slavery spread westward and not to the north.
Ever hear of industrial 'sweatshops'? You can be sure that more WHITE people, of all ages and both sexes, were employed in them than there were African slaves in the South.
 
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I entered it.

By tomorrow, if I haven't heard for TOQO, then I'll know I didn't even rate an honorable mention.

I sorta think I'd have heard by now if it the news was going to be good.
 
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The TOQ Secession Essay Contest Winner: "Toward the White Republic"
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Editor's Note: It is a great pleasure to announce the winning essay of the first annual TOQ Essay Contest: Michael O'Meara's "Toward the White Republic." We had 20 entries. One was subsequently withdrawn. Of the 19 remaining, I judged this the best, but there was close competition, and in the end I hope to publish nine other entries in TOQ, beginning with the Winter 2009-2010 issue. The prize essay appears below without notes. The full, annotated version will appear in the
print edition. For information on the second TOQ Essay Contest, click here.

Congratulations, Dr. O'Meara, and thank you.

"Breathes there the man with soul so dead,
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land."
– Walter Scott

One.

Some time in the second half of the 1990s, a terminological change occurred in the racially conscious community.

Many who previously identified themselves as White Power advocates,
segregationists, separatists, supremacists, survivalists, neo-Confederates, biological realists, etc. started calling themselves "white nationalists."

At the time (and I didn't know much about these things then), I thought this reflected a changing political consciousness.

For what began after 1945 as a "movement" to maintain the integrity of America's racial character and prevent alien races from intruding into its various "life worlds" had, by the 1990s, ceased to be a realistic project — 30 years of Third-World immigration, "civil rights" legislation, and various measures imposed by the federal government to subordinate white interests to those of nonwhites had irrevocably transformed the American people so that it was increasingly difficult to characterize them as even a majority-white population.

As a consequence, "white advocates" in the late 1990s started making traditional nationalist claims for secession and self-determination because the United States, in their eyes, had become a threat to their people.

Two.

This interpretation was not at all unreasonable. But, alas, it didn't quite
accord with the facts.

I've since learned that those calling themselves "white nationalists" are not necessarily nationalists in the sense of wanting to secede from the United States in order to form an independent ethnostate. Most, I think it's fair to say, are racially conscious conservatives who want to work through the existing institutions to regain control of country their ancestors made — in order, ultimately, to dismantle the present anti-white system of preferences and restore something of the white man's former hegemony.

By contrast, white nationalists in the strict sense (i.e., those favoring
secession) have no interest in restoring the old ways, let alone regaining control of the central state, whose authority is already slipping and whose rule is increasingly dysfunctional. Indeed, the American state system, as its more astute supporters acknowledge, is now beyond reform.

Instead, white nationalists aspire to create a counter-elite to lead disaffected white youth in a movement to found a whites-only nation-state somewhere in North America, once the poorly managed enterprise known as the United States collapses in a centrifugal dispersion of its decaying and perverted powers.

Without an organizational presence in the real world and with a "public" largely of computer hobbyists, white nationalists at present have no hope of actually mobilizing the white populace in opposition to the existing anti-white regime.
Rather, their immediate goal is to prepare the way for the development of a revolutionary nationalist vanguard to lead the struggle for white liberation, creating, in the process, a counter-elite capable of founding a White Republic.
They aspire thus not to recapture the rotting corpse of the US government, but to free themselves from it — in order to be themselves, in their own land, in their own way.

White nationalists, as such, politically define themselves in wanting to create a sovereign state in North America. They endeavor, therefore, not to "put things back the way they were," as conservatives wish, but to rid themselves of them completely. A National Revolution, they hold, will alone restore "the white man to his rightful place in the world."

Inspired by the birthright handed down by the blood and sacrifice of ancestors, their project, relatedly, is not about restoring the Third Reich, the Confederacy, or Jim Crow, as leftists imagine, but about creating a future white homeland in which their kind will be able "to pursue their destiny without interference from other races."

Three.

White nationalism is a variant of historic ethnonationalism, what Walker Connor calls nationalism "in its pristine sense."

All three — racial, ethno, and pristine nationalism — define the nation in terms of blood.

The creedal or civic nationalism of the present regime, which makes loyalty to the state, not the nation, primary, is "nationalist" only in a narrow ideological sense, confusing as it does patriotism (loyalty to the state or affection for the land) with loyalty to the people (nationalism). It thus defines the nation in terms of certain abstract democratic principles, seeing it as a collection of individuals, each more important than the whole.

Though ethnonationalists privilege the nation's spirit above all else, they
define it organically, in terms of blood, as an extended family, an endogamous kin group, or a genetic commonwealth.

Unlike European nations, formed around long-established ethnic cores (which had developed in the Middle Ages, as Germanic and other tribal confederations evolved into larger political, regional, and cultural identities), American national identity was, historically, defined in explicitly racial terms.

As Sir Arthur Keith characterized it: "In Europe the stock has been broken up into local national breeds; in America the local breeds have been reunited."

In both cases, a national identity grew out of a real or imagined blood
relationship linking the nation's members to inherited customs and institutions.

Because the American form of racial nationhood lacks the ethnic dimension distinct to European nationalism, it is a source of some misunderstanding, especially in its purely negative expression as anti-Semitism or Negrophobia.

For example, even Euronationalists who struggle for a continental nation-state tend to reject white nationalism — because it seems to imply the typical American leveling of cultural and other identities by subsuming them under a homogenizing biological concept that negates the particularisms of European nationhood.

In this, however, our European cousins misunderstand the aim of white
nationalism, though some white nationalists in their one-sided reaction to nonwhites may, admittedly, have given cause to their misunderstanding.

White nationalism is a distinctly American (or, better said, New World)
nationalism, not a European one, and the two are analogous only at the highest level, where the national community, defined ethnically or racially, affirms it right to control its own destiny.

This is not to say that American racial nationalism — which makes white European racial ascriptions the basis of American identity — has no ethnic or historic component.

The country's original settlers were largely of Anglo-Protestant descent and this had a formative effect on American institutions and folkways.

The organic basis of the American nation, however, was less English ethnicity than "whiteness."

Even before the War of Independence, more than a quarter of the population was of non-English, mainly North European stock: Scots-Irish, German, Dutch, French Huguenots, etc. By about the mid-18th century, the "American English" were increasingly referred to as "Americans," a people "selected by a whole series of ordeals which [had] killed off the weak and worthless" and conferred a distinct
vitality on their laws, attitudes, and local institutions.

The bitterness of the War of Independence (the first American war of secession) and the War of 1812, US-British acrimony and rivalry, which lasted late into the 19th century, in addition to the nationalist compulsion to celebrate an American identity independent of the English — all tended to minimize the significance of the colonists' original national origins, as they were reborn as pure Americans.
In fact, American nationalism arose on the basis of a certain popular revulsion against the English. Nevertheless, English-Americans were the original native Americans and all the rest of us have since become American by assimilating something of their ethos.

Though Anglo-Protestant ethnicity continues to animate the inner reaches of American culture, it wasn't, however, the genotypical basis of American identity. Rather, it was the racial experience of transplanted Englishmen in 17th-century Virginia, then the "exotic far western periphery . . . of the metropolitan European cultural system."

In the New World part of this system, the ever-looming presence of African slaves, considered "by nature vicious and morally inferior," and "savage" red Indians, who posed an ongoing threat, could not but foster an acute racial consciousness.
Given that economic opportunities, vast expanses of virgin land, and new fortunes prevented the old European social hierarchies from forming, these racial bearings acted as the one fixed hierarchy ordering colonial life.

Forged, thus, in conflict with nonwhites, the colonists' early racial
consciousness served to mark the boundaries of the emerging American identity.
The historian Winthrop Jordan claims that "Anglo-Americans" were already identifying themselves as "whites" rather than "Englishmen" as early as 1680.

National or ethnic differences in this racially mixed environment were simply less meaningful than differences between Europeans and non-Europeans.

When the American colonists at last declared their independence, they declared in effect their intent to become a self-determined people in the evolutionary sense, by becoming a nation, an organic body with its own sovereign state and its own laws of growth.

Then, following the revolution, as republican principles were gradually extended to all white males, the country's Herrenvolk democracy posed an insurmountable obstacle to the extension of these principles to nonwhites — for the new, explicitly white nation was based not on the liberal fiction of "humanity," but on the assumption that human nature is a product of blood and race.

Indeed, the white egalitarianism of the early republic, shaped largely in
opposition to the Toryism of anglophile Federalists (who represented the bourgeois interests of liberal market society and its connection to British commerce) was premised on the Negro's otherness and the primacy of white racial ascriptions, all of which contributed to the nation's self-consciousness, coherence, and communality, as British and European Americans, largely under the leadership of Indian-fighting, pro-slavery, and expansionist Southerners, came
to share not just the same horizontal sense of right and identity, but the same vertical qualities and dignities of their stock.

Different in ways from ethnicity, race forged the psychological bonds that joined American whites and differentiated them from nonwhites, just as the language, customs, and early institutions of the original Anglo-Protestant settlers established the cultural-linguistic framework in which white Americans became a self-conscious nation.

Four.

The ethnogenic process that gradually imposed a common culture and identity on the former colonists, as they became Virginians and New Englanders, and more generally, Americans, was interrupted in the 1840s by the mass influx of Irish and German Catholics — the former seen almost as an alien race. Then, in the late 19th century, this was followed by a second great immigrant wave, from Southern and Eastern Europe.

Today the Third World invasion is taking the ethnogenic process to a new extreme, as the state, with its inorganic definition of the nation, endeavors to "transcend" the perennially white, Christian character of the American people for the sake of its oxymoronic "universal nation."

At each nodal point in this demographic transformation, except the most recent, native Americans, however resistant to the newcomers, succeeded in assimilating them on the basis of their racial ascriptions, as the Anglo-Protestant character of American identity became progressively more "ecumenical."

Indeed, it's increasingly difficult today to talk of "hyphenated-Americans," given that the different European ethnic strains making up the white population have so extensively intermarried that many now no longer know their ethnic origins. As one historian writes: "Ellis Island whiteness" has come to replace "Plymouth Rock whiteness."

But there were obvious limits to assimilation. As Woodrow Wilson put it: "We cannot make a homogeneous population of a people who do not blend with the Caucasian race." Against this view, many "new," especially Jewish immigrants, advanced the cause for greater ethnic diversity, as if America's vocation was to become a boardinghouse to all the world's peoples. The Old America, though, would have none of this, and, in Stoddard's words, dismissed such claims with the insistence "that America is basically `made' — and that it shall not be
unmade."

When the post-1945 National Security State, armed with its newly acquired "mandate of heaven," endeavored to turn Roosevelt's liberal-managerial state system into a world empire, premised on the belief that it was based on an idea, not a people, it launched what amounted to an assault on America's historic identity — an assault whose overarching aim was to undermine the population's racial consciousness and promote ethnocidal practices facilitating its "demographic" reconstitution. The state's "anti-racism" came thus to serve as an
instrument of its social engineers, who sought to turn whites into herds of "tamed sheep [who] care not in which flock [they] are driven."

It was only natural, then, that once the shearing got under way the most racially conscious whites began to see themselves as an oppressed nation in need of their own sovereign state.

Five.

Racial conservatives have offered numerous criticisms of nationalists advocating secession from the United States. The most common of these — made in a period which has witnessed successful secessionist movements (in the former SU, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, etc.), as well as other popular movements resisting a despotic, leveling centralization in the name of regionalism, devolution, and the defense of historic identities — is that the prospect of creating a white
ethnostate in North America free of the United States is totally unrealizable . . . a fantasy . . . pure and utter folly.

But this, they fail to realize, is hardly criticism at all.

For those with the courage of their convictions, it's never a matter of
calculating the odds and going with the winning side, but of doing what needs to be done — like that Roman soldier of Pompeii cited by Spengler in Man and Technics, whose Aryan sense of duty kept him at his post, as Vesuvius exploded in fire.

The secessionist, then, is not a party politician loyal to Washington's New Class establishment, but a nationalist loyal to his nation — and thus to whatever political imperative the nation's welfare demands.

He has, moreover, no illusion about what this entails.

As the Euronationalist Jean Thiriart put it: "One does not create a nation with speeches, pious talk, and banquets. One creates a nation with rifles, martyrs, jointly lived dangers."

Six.

Viewed "objectively," neither secession nor a white conservative reconquest has a chance, not one in a universe of infinite possibilities. Both are figments of a few white minds troubled by the prospect of their people's imminent demise.

But that's the way all great movements begin.

If a presently unattainable ideal is not first articulated as a mythic
possibility, it remains unrealized, for its idealization is part of the process that quickens its realization.

In 1774, only a few believed in American independence. After 1776 it was a critical mass.

Paraphrasing Sorel, secession cannot be submitted to the usual criticism — no more than could the Second Coming of "Primitive Christianity" or the General Strike of fin-de-siθcle syndicalists. It's not a fact or even an idea so much as it is a way of being — or a wanting to be.

Central to its realization, therefore, is not the objective forces opposing it, but the subjective will seeking its triumph.

Many things, of course, would have to change before either secession or reconquest become remotely realizable (though our postmodern age, the Kali Yuga of the Traditionalists, is an age in which time and events have greatly accelerated, as all things hurtle toward the inevitable crackup, the Ragnarok, which precedes every rebirth).

The thought, nevertheless, of whites breaking free of the United States, in this period when the multi-cult empire is experiencing the first of its death agonies, seems, from a secessionist perspective, somewhat less of a fantasy than trying to reform it, which sixty years of experience suggest is unreformable.

Seven.

Almost every criticisms that can be made of secession is to be found in Sam Francis's "Prospects for Racial and Cultural Survival" (1995).

Sam, who I have paid high tribute to in the pages of this journal, was an important transitional figure in the development of a white nationalist outlook. Though one of his feet was solidly planted in the white nationalist camp, the other, however, was never quite freed from his former "new right" and paleocon beliefs. Divided, his critique of secession reflected an old-fashioned patriotism unwilling to break from the US — though, perhaps, if he had lived, he might feel differently, now that the dusky helmsman has begun steering the ship of state perilously close to the shoals of what promises to be an even more
horrendous fate.

As an anti-secessionist, Sam considered separation from the United States tantamount to surrender — surrender of the country our ancestors created, surrender of its history, traditions, interests.

But Sam was wrong.

Secessionists surrender nothing but the slow death of their people. For among other things, secession is about survival — and the prospect of being able to fight another day.

To do that, one must live. But where, how?

For all practical purposes whites have lost the United States. Though still a near majority, they are surrounded by armed forces seeking their destruction, they are running out of ammunition, and the ground troops are being ordered in to clean up the remaining pockets of resistance. It looks as if they're doomed.

Secession is a way of avoiding the deadly pincers closing in on white life. In the last sixty years, absolutely NOTHING — not one little thing — has been accomplished to interrupt the programmed destruction of European America.
Nevertheless, the critics of secession drone on: "Why give up the country when you can take it back?"

These two-fisted patriots who think this is the most powerful argument against secession are likely to be singing the same song in the not too distanced future, when colored novelists start writing about "The Last of the Europeans."

But even if feasible, what self-respecting white man would want to take back the United States, this monstrous, bureaucratic Leviathan whose Jewish, race-mixing, homophile, feminist, fraudulent, anti-Christian, and degenerate practices stand as an affront to everything his ancestors stood for.

The hard truth is that it's gotten to the point where the US can no longer be defended as "my mother, drunk or sober," only repulsed as an alien body-snatcher.

To this end, secessionists emulate the proud Danes, who said after the loss of Schleswig-Holstein in 1865, that "What has been lost externally will be gained internally."

Secessionists refuse not just to abide the state responsible for their
dispossession, they see this "abomination of desolation" as their principal enemy. Only by freeing themselves from it and acquiring their own land under their own sovereignty do they see a future for their kind.

One might call this "surrendering large parts of the country to nonwhites" — though these aliens already occupy large parts of it and will continue to do so until whites are completely replaced.

The secessionists' ultimate consideration is not, then, what will be lost, but what gives whites the best chance to survive.

"Any proposal for separation," Sam argued, "would simply alienate the most patriotic and nationalist loyalties of American whites and lead them to see separatists as un-American." Most whites would also "refuse to abandon their allegiance to the US or forsake its territory."

Here Sam confused loyalty to the state with loyalty to the nation, paying tribute, in effect, to Caesar in his own coin. Given the logic of his argument, one might question what his position would have been in 1774, when secession from the Mother Country was originally proposed? Or what his position would be if the United States should start following in the footsteps of the former Soviet Union? And, finally, one wonders how patriotic most Americans are going
to be once they discover that their grandchildren will be paying off the debts of the present US government — at a time when American citizenship will probably be little more than a form of Chinese peonage.

Secessionists don't care if most whites would refuse to abandon "their" country.
"Most" whites, de-Ayranized as they are, allowed a Negro to become president. Only those who care for their kind and are willing to fight for them can possibly found a new nation.

The flag-waving, Constitution-worshipping types — who know nothing outside the ideology of liberal democracy, old ("conservative") or new ("progressive"), and who believe that there is something sacred about the unholy United States — will never be mobilized for the sake of "racial preservation"; that ship has sailed.

In secessionist eyes, it's better to lose a bit of territory and shed the race's detritus than to lose whatever remains of the white nation — especially in view of the coming age, which is certain to be filled with cascading catastrophes, set off by the imploding contradictions of liberalism's dystopian regime.

As for being militarily crushed by the US, another frequent objection,
anti-secessionists seem not to have heard of fourth-generation war, just as they conveniently forget that the only country the United States has truly defeated in the many wars of choice it's waged in the last 60 years is the tiny Caribbean nation of Grenada. As one Russian observer notes, the US "military does not know how to win . . . [only] how to blow things up" (a Second Generation Warfare practice which the US Army learned from the French in WWI and continues to teach
in its academies). As a consequence, it's virtually incapable of "prevailing over any enemy, no matter how badly armed, demoralized, or minuscule" — because it only knows how to fight standing armies in "conventional" wars, where firepower is paramount.

Both militarily and politically, it would seem a hundred times easier to secede from, than to retake, the whole of the United States. Concentrating their forces at the enemy's weakest link — a concentration of what would be a growing base of support, once the United States starts its slow slide into the abyss of insolvency and tyranny — secessionists would need only to penetrate the enemy's
porous lines, disorganize his rear through an "open-source insurgency," and then sue for formal sovereignty over a part of the collapsed United States.

In the context of such a possible development, Sam wondered how the races could possibly be separated and what would prevent them from "unseparating." Here again he didn't see what was coming. Since the end of the Second World War there have been numerous population transfers by partitioned states (the most important of which were sanctioned by the US). These transfers occurred in the recent past, will undoubtedly occur again, and already occur in little ways every day in the US, as the relocation of nonwhites forces whites out of their
neighborhoods.

Secession implies both population transfers and territorial partition —
historically justifiable measures, sanctioned by US precedent, and executable with a minimum of force, unlike the pipe dreams of anti-secessionists, whose imagined "reconquest" would be of a state with a hundred million nonwhite citizens, all with their hands out.

In its desire for cheap labor, Sam thought a separate white nation, would simply repeat the process that got whites into the present mess — as if the struggle for secession (and all it will entail) wouldn't lead to an explicitly racial definition of nationality, to an inversion of the market's primacy, and to a spiritual triumph over the materialism that has corrupted so many whites. As a conservative, he couldn't see that white secession (unlike the secession of the Confederacy) is a revolutionary project premised on a rejection not just of the
illegal alienations of the federal government, but of the entire social,
economic, and moral order sustaining its ethnocidal rule.

A white breakaway state, Sam also claimed, would be surrounded by hostile powers, vulnerable to invasion, and unable to defend itself against the rising demographic tide outside its borders. Again, these are non-criticisms. Any region seceded from the United States would have its own arms stockpile, including nukes. It would also likely be supported by Russia and other powers having scores to settle with Washington's New World Order.

More crucially, the racially homogeneous populace of a seceded white republic would be imbued with the nationalist fervor that is the inevitable offshoot of newly forged nations and synergistically armed not simply with the technologies of mass destruction, which are now accessible to small states, but also with a society-wide system of local militia, like the Swiss.

To think that a mutilated United States, with its warring racial factions,
welfare politics, and rubber-spine army would be able to crush an armed, autonomous white republic is to abandon the realm of logic. Even at the height of its expansionist powers, Nazi Germany never thought of invading tiny, mountainous Switzerland, where every citizen was armed and ready to defend his nation. The US Army, need it be said, is no Wehrmacht.

Eight.

European Americans will not survive many more generations under the present regime.

Racially-conscious conservatives are counting on a future white backlash to mobilize in defense of white interests. Through such a mobilization, and a much talked about, though little practiced, "march through the institutions," they hope to raise white racial consciousness, counter the demographic threat posed by nonwhites, and introduce political and legal reforms to curtail nonwhite
power — all of which, of course, are totally desirable.

But they expect to arrive at this Utopia without explaining how they would counter a population half of which will be nonwhite in 33 years (2042); without explaining how they would challenge a government that criminalizes white dissent; without explaining how a system can be fundamentally changed without fundamentally changing the institutions and powers that govern it and make it what it is; without any of these things, racial conservatives mock the notion of secession, as if their own not particularly successful project is the sole
conceivable alternative.

Nine.

Unlike their critics, secessionists have a plan, a simple, straightforward one, that offers whites an alternative to an unreformable system and an inescapable death.
This plan has the advantage of being (a) eminently political, (b) based on proven historical precedents, and (c) imbued with the power to generate a will to nationhood.

Given the increasingly totalitarian nature of the existing system, where the mere mention of "race" can be taken as an incitement to crimes against humanity, this aspect of secession, ought, perhaps, to be discussed in historical rather than explicitly programmatic terms.

Much of the history of European nationalism speaks to the American situation today, especially (in my admittedly partisan view) Irish nationalism.

In the 1870s and '80s, a generation after the An Gorta Mor (the Great Hunger), revolutionary and conservative nationalists agreed to be allies in the common struggle for Irish nationhood. The revolutionary Fenians, preeminently in the form of Michael Davitt's Land League, which led the rebellion in the countryside, gave the constitutionalists in Parnell's Irish Parliamentary Party the social leverage to force concessions from the English at Westminster — concessions that eventually won back many Irish lands. Then, once the constitutionalists had gone as far as they could, by about 1912 or 1914, the revolutionary, physical-force wing of Irish nationalism took over, completing the nationalist project.

We American secessionists want whatever works best for the future of our people. If our "constitutionalists," perhaps in the form of a third party, can create dissension and vulnerability among the "English" in a way that promotes American interests, they are to be supported. But if they fail, we will need to turn, as did the Irish, to the methods of Connelly and Pearse.

Those who know Hibernian — or any other European — nationalist history also know the immeasurable power of the nation, especially the nation rising to nationhood.

This is the spirit we secessionists hope to stir in white Americans.

The situation today may, therefore, be totally grim, but politically there is no more feasible or marketable of strategies to awaken our people, especially as they become aware of their approaching minority status and all it implies.

Imagine, then, for a moment, a white homeland in North America, free of the US government, with its colored multitudes and parasitic institutions: In my mind, this one image says everything, explains everything, promises everything.

The powerful imagery of an autonomous white nation has, moreover, the mythic potential that the General Strike had in the thought of Georges Sorel.

All great movements, Sorel saw, are driven not by rational arguments or party programs, but by their myths (which "are not descriptions of things, but expressions of a determination to act").

For it is myth — and the memories and hopes animating it — that shape a nation, that turn a "motley horde" into a people with a shared sense of purpose and identity, that mobilize them against the state of things, and prepare them for self-sacrifice and self-rule.

A Sovereign Independent State, as the Irish called it in 1916 — the White Republic, as I call it — is the secessionist myth, symbolizing the determination of white men to assert themselves as a free nation-state somewhere in an all-white America.
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I suspect WLP figured this might be the case too, which is why Hunter may be the better work both in terms of style and content if you ask me. I wonder who that Calverhall author was that wrote the Serpents walk book one used to see sold alongside with those other 2 at gun shows. If you remember in that book, their little attempt at a white redoubt on an island gets wiped out.
Although it's been years since I read it, I don't remember any "little attempt at a white redoubt on an island" that gets wiped out in the book Serpent's Walk...

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If memory serves...

There was a scene where a meeting was supposed to occur at some remote location (Colorado mountain ski lodge?) amongst diplomats and military personnel, in re negotiations for a separatist state, that was ambushed by the troops of ZOG... but that was just a side scenario that in no way significantly hindered the neo-National Socialist protagonists from their subsequent efforts and eventual victory.

The mercenary hero, who at the start of the book was sent to retrieve the last known remaining canisters of the bioweapon, later becomes president of the new republic... and the book ends with him sending out some sort of excavation mechanisms (nanobots?) to burrow into and flood the underground computer complex that was set up by the Jewish renegade Army colonel Gold, who represented the final pocket of resistance to the new National Socialist state.
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as for HAC I think he's a crank. I regret that Greg even mentioned him in this challenge since HAC credibility he should not have.

I would encourage people to subscribe to TOQ.

http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/
For the record, that very organization you yourself endorse apparently disagrees with your assessment of Harold Covington... be it "fer" or "agin", many there are discussing his Northwest Imperative tetralogy of novels, thereby giving him credibility, indeed:

http://www.toqonline.com/2009/09/the-birth-of-a-nation/

and

http://www.toqonline.com/2009/09/sec...ea-for-whites/
 
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The TOQ Secession Essay Contest Winner: "Toward the White Republic"
Michael O'Meara
http://www.toqonline.com/2009/08/tow...hite-republic/
Thanks for posting this, Hugh. Great choice for 1st place.

I'm surprised that Linder hasn't given it the once over. Or am I?

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All great movements, Sorel saw, are driven not by rational arguments or party programs, but by their myths (which "are not descriptions of things, but expressions of a determination to act").

For it is myth — and the memories and hopes animating it — that shape a nation, that turn a "motley horde" into a people with a shared sense of purpose and identity, that mobilize them against the state of things, and prepare them for self-sacrifice and self-rule.
Sounds like O'Meara's been reading Alfred Rosenberg.
 
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I read A Distant Thunder, which was very good, and the third one, which was sort of just barely readable by comparison. Here's a Word version of ADT:

http://www.savefile.com/files/2069683

The Brigade is the best of the Northwest independence novels in IMHO, and it is also the longest. It can be downloaded free from

http://www.mediafire.com/?84ztmxxxmnr
 
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