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October 28th, 2018 | #1 |
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Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship (1977), by Paul C. Vitz
[narrated by Alex Linder]
Paul Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-worship, chapter one: Four Major Theorists [The theorists are: Erich Fromm, Carl Rogers, Abraham Maslow, Rollo May] http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...ligion-Ch1.mp3 (1:20) https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...11#post1776911 |
October 28th, 2018 | #2 |
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Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-worship:
Ch. 2: Self-Theory for Everybody Ch. 3: Selfism as Bad Science http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...-PaR-Ch2-3.mp3 (2:24) - no control group, no proof, no evidence higher than a priest's stories from taking confession. rousseauian insistence that men are naturally good, that original sin or our dual human nature is a lie, that all seeming bad comes from social institutions. people are inherently good not bad, and should be encouraged to express rather than control themselves. - discussion of concept of encounter groups, lack of proof they work - denial of aggression and desire to destroy things and hate things, they simply blip over this but real scientists prove it exists. - encounter groups promote expression and interchange of feelings openly based on theory that communication and flexibility build trust; sex removed from commitment can be refocused on personal needs and growth, but this has nothing to do with spread of STDs, divorce and other social problems. combine with venomism or feminism and tell women they are being oppressed by the patriarchy rather than elevated by men, and increase bitterness. encourage self-expression, -fulfillment, -indulgence at all costs, and ignore/deny any kind of control or duty or responsibility or moral tradition. society is helping us or holding us back? again, more false liberation that exacerbates real and continual problems that cannot be driven away but must be channeled - which is what social forms like marriage let us do - channel a potentially extremely destructive drive into something good for the individual and society. the self-indulgence/expression movement that is selfism appeals to the shallow minded who seek simple rationalizations and justifications for their love of gossip and self-indulgence https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...12#post1780812 |
October 28th, 2018 | #3 |
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Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-worship
Ch. 4: From a Philosophical Point of View Ch. 5: Selfism and Today's Society http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...-PaR-Ch4-5.mp3 (1:35) - what is the self? selfists have no definition. tabula rasa/rousseauean idea we're inherently good. no real interest in biology. selfism taught as science but isn't. is on same level as religion, but allowed in public classrooms because it is quite dishonestly or just wrongly presented as science. - selfism is narcissism, sold as consumer experience to the world-comparatively rich who are the only ones with time/money to fool with self-actualizing - idea of genius in the Romantic period filters down into creativity for everyone today, but it's not true. https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...33#post1782833 |
October 28th, 2018 | #4 |
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Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-worship
Ch. 6: Selfism and Christianity: Historical Antecedents http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...tz-PaR-Ch6.mp3 (1:52) - Feuerbach as original theorist, unacknowledged in America: he was the one who put Man as God rather than God as God, and man his creation and duty-ower. First self-esteem or selfist books coming from Harry Emerson Fosdick and Norman Vincent Peale, and out of their superfically christian-positivist milieu and that of the progressives like Dewey and his disciple Kilpatrick came self-theorists, most notably Carl Rogers. - split between the idea of therapist as facilitator, helper, equal, telling the patient what he wants to hear, mirroring his views, feeding him back paraphrased words, not judging him, telling him he is the 'locus of evaluation' for all things, vs the catholic/rabbinic model in which a trained perfessional gives the layman the answer about all these things in light of his wisdom trained in line with ancient traditions, and traditional answers to questions. Discuss pietism (original non-dessicated Methodism, quakers, shakers, New Harmonians, Oneidans, et al. as the true and original example and precursors of what are secularized into 'encounter groups.' https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...06#post1783206 |
October 28th, 2018 | #5 |
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Paul Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship,
Ch. 7: Selfism and the Family http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...tz-PaR-Ch7.mp3 (37m) https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=239 |
October 28th, 2018 | #6 |
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Lot of free-ranging thoughts and White analysis to start, followed by close reading of
Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship Chapter Eight: A Christian Critique http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...tz-PaR-Ch8.mp3 (3:22) https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...22#post1808322 |
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I talk about standing behind your word in relation to incidents from my own political history (college in 80s) and recent stuff like OU SAE affair, followed by close reading of
Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship Chapter Nine: Christian Politics http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...tz-PaR-Ch9.mp3 (2:10) https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...09#post1809209 |
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[Hedonism and detachment/careerism don't work; need to get over oneself through enlistement in some kind of life-cause, whether Christianity, as Vitz advises, or racial, as we prefer.]
Paul C. Vitz, Psychology as Religion: The Cult of Self-Worship Chapter 10: Beyond the Secular Self and Chapter 11: A New Christian Future? END http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...h10-11-END.mp3 (1:27) https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?...88#post1810088 |
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