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Old November 8th, 2011 #1
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Default Opt-out system for organ donation outlined in Wales

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8th November 2011 - With Wales set to become the first country in the UK to adopt a system of 'presumed consent' for organ and tissue donation, read our FAQs about what the changes would mean.
What is an 'opt-out' organ donor scheme?

At the moment people have to choose to join the NHS organ donor register if they want to donate their organs or tissues after they die. This means they have to 'opt-in'.

Under the proposals outlined in Wales, unless a person makes an objection, their organs and tissues will be available for donation in the event of their death.

This form of organ donation is known as 'presumed consent.'
 
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From 2008:

Organ donation could still be made automatic, Gordon Brown says

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/34...rown-says.html
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The Prime Minister said he was still prepared to change the law so that people would have to opt out of having their organs harvested after death.

Mr Brown spoke after the Organ Donation Taskforce warned that there was no evidence that presumed consent would increase transplant numbers or save lives.

The task force's conclusion are a blow to the Prime Minister and Liam Donaldson, the Chief Medical Officer, both of whom have publicly backed the model, already in use in Spain, as the answer to Britain's relatively low rate of organ donation.

Every year about 1,000 patients die languishing on waiting lists for an organ donation.

To increase rates, the Government announced a new £4.5 million publicity drive highlighting how donors can register.
 
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Organ Donation Now Mandatory in the UK Under Horrifying "Presumed Consent" Law

http://www.naturalnews.com/News_0004...h_freedom.html
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Don't die in the U.K. If you do, state health authorities will start slicing and dicing your body, harvesting organs even as your heart is still beating in order to make money on highly-lucrative organ transplant surgeries (and anti-rejection drugs).

It's all part of the UK's new "presumed consent" law which says the very act of dying serves as your consent to have your organs stolen from your body. In other words, the State owns your body!

As you ponder the horrors of this situation, keep in mind that conventional medical doctors are also pushing to alter the definition of death to harvest organs earlier. Instead of waiting for you to be brain dead, they can start harvesting your organs within seconds after your heart stops beating, even though your brain may be fully conscious at the time!

Welcome to the true horrors of conventional medicine. It's not about saving lives, folks: It's about making money off the bodies of the recently expired. These transplant doctors and health authorities are true monsters, and if anyone deserved to have their chest cavity cracked opened while they're still conscious and alive, it would no doubt be them.
 
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This subject winds me the hell up. Why the hell should the NHS (read private doctors) fly in rich Egyptians and make 20K out of my kidneys or liver? Why the hell can't my body form part of my estate so that my next of kin can at least profit from it? It ain't hard to see a white person with a 50/50 chance being let go so that someone else can have their organs, is it? Yeah, most NHS doctors wouldn't dream of it but you ain't telling me that if there's the odd bad-apple doctor or nurse who knows that their loved one is at the top of the transplant list and the verging-on-dying person in front of them is a perfect match, they ain't gonna be tempted to perhaps try not quite so hard to save the verging-on-dying?

You're not even allowed to stipulate where your organs go! It's racist to say "I want my organs to go to a white odinist/atheist or christian-if-you're-forced female with no serious convictions or else you can burn 'em".
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That's a good point re your family being beneficiaries of your organs financially, never thought about that before.

Also, agreed, I shall be opting out purely because I can't specify my organs go to a White person, just as Muslims, jews etc would all do.
 
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That's a good point re your family being beneficiaries of your organs financially, never thought about that before.

Also, agreed, I shall be opting out purely because I can't specify my organs go to a White person, just as Muslims, jews etc would all do.
Indeed yes. "Asians" seem to suffer hugely from kidney and liver problems when they try to live in Northern climates, or maybe they are just "bad stock", dunno...

The new link

http://lifestyle.myjoyonline.com/pag...1111/76119.php
Families would have no legal right to stop dead relatives' organs being used for transplant if the person has not opted out in advance, under a proposed new Welsh law.

 
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I do have a card in my bag that says "no organ donation" (and no hospital visits by Tony Blair or Princess Anne in the case of major disaster ) and I have both my better half and my parents on ICE on my phone (in case of emergency - tells the emergency service who to ring if you're unconscious) and they all know what my wishes are, but the way things are going on, I'm seriously thinking of having "no organ donation" tattooed on my shoulder or somewhere.
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This subject winds me the hell up. Why the hell should the NHS (read private doctors) fly in rich Egyptians and make 20K out of my kidneys or liver? Why the hell can't my body form part of my estate so that my next of kin can at least profit from it? It ain't hard to see a white person with a 50/50 chance being let go so that someone else can have their organs, is it? Yeah, most NHS doctors wouldn't dream of it but you ain't telling me that if there's the odd bad-apple doctor or nurse who knows that their loved one is at the top of the transplant list and the verging-on-dying person in front of them is a perfect match, they ain't gonna be tempted to perhaps try not quite so hard to save the verging-on-dying?

You're not even allowed to stipulate where your organs go! It's racist to say "I want my organs to go to a white odinist/atheist or christian-if-you're-forced female with no serious convictions or else you can burn 'em".
As the social engineering site, Facebook, is now prompting people to disclose their organ donor status, I'm bumping this particular thread for the excellent points Bev raises in the above post. Parents are going to discover their kid has signed all of it's body parts away due to the all-invasive peer pressure of these social networks.


Organ Donor Community Surprised And Thrilled By Facebook Decision

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanada...book-decision/

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According to Mone, 75% of people who could donate organs, did so last year. “Ideally this Facebook addition will help that next 25% decide that organ donation is a remarkably wonderful thing to do,” says Mone. He says that if 100% of people volunteered to be organ donors, then “we could get everyone transplanted.” Though there would still likely be lengthy waits for people in need of donor organs, especially kidneys.

Mone points out that most people make the decision of whether to become organ donors while they’re standing in line at the DMV, where they have no way to address their concerns. The main reason people fail to become donors, says Mone, is that they fear that ER doctors or paramedics will not try to save them, in order to recover their organs for transplant. This is an unfounded fear, of course, as Mone points out, because people need to be kept alive in order to become donors.

Zuckerberg told ABC that he was motivated to add the organ donor tool in part because of discussions with his medical-student girlfriend, Priscilla Chan, and also because he was moved by his friendship with the late Apple CEO Steve Jobs, whose life was extended by a liver transplant. Facebook COO Cheryl Sandberg also influenced the decision. A fellow Harvard graduate, Johns Hopkins Hospital surgical director of liver transplantation, Andrew Cameron, had written about his transplant efforts and the shortage of donors, for a class reunion booklet. At a Harvard reunion last year, Sandberg saw Cameron and told him she thought she could help fix the problem.

Mone says he worked with Steve Jobs on a piece of legislation in Calif. that will take effect this autumn, which will set up a registry for people who want to donate organs, mostly kidneys, while they are still alive. Mone also says he’s supporting legislation that would incorporate organ donation into school health classes. For many people, *especially new immigrants, the most important factor is getting a chance to learning about the organ donation issue and taking the time to consider whether they want to be donors.
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Old May 2nd, 2012 #9
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When I die, and I don't think it will be that long away, I want all of my internal organs tossing on the fire with the rest of my body.

I have lived a life of poverty,mainly, and I do not want some rich Tory bastard, who has potentially drank and gorged to excess, living a life of luxury, to be saved from the fate that they so richly deserve.

I look upon their suffering as the punishment of luxury.
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Best way to stop shortages of blood,organs etc is to pay for them. I'm sure if we were being paid for donating blood, a very valuable commodity, there would be plenty of willing donors. Same with internal organs. A person of your choice is left a few quid when you die. Viola, shortage averted. IMO.
 
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Has anyone received a phone call from the "Organ Donation Register" asking if they can send you postal details?
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Has anyone received a phone call from the "Organ Donation Register" asking if they can send you postal details?
No. Is this a new thing?
 
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Livers donated to the NHS have been given to fee paying patients, prepared to pay tens of thousands of pounds, it has today been revealed.

Surgeons at King's College NHS Foundation Trust have carried out 19 of the operations in the past two year on patients from Greece, Cyprus, Kuwait, Libya and Dubai.

It is believed the trust has been paid around £1m for the procedures.


The practice of transplanting organs into fee-paying non-EU patients - so called group two patients - is not illegal.

But an investigation into the process, commissioned by the Government four years ago, had recommended it should be banned.



There are currently 550 NHS patients awaiting a life saving transplant.


Derek Manas, a consultant transplant surgeon at Newcastle Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and also a member of the liver advisory panel said the private transplants were wrong.

King's College said that the organs were only given to the overseas patients after they had been turned down for NHS and EU - or group one - patients.

A spokesman said: 'At King's we comply with the rules and regulations relating to liver transplant surgery and the allocation of organs, This is something we have always done and will continue to do.'

Entitlement to a donated organ is governed by criteria set out by the Department of Health.

The Directions place patients into two categories – Group 1, UK and EU nationals, and Group 2, other overseas patients.

Group 1 patients take priority, and it is only after the organ has been declined by this group that it is offered to group 2.

But Professor Derek Manas, a consultant transplant surgeon at Newcastle Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and also a member of the liver advisory panel said the private transplants were wrong, the Sunday Times reports.

'To say 'this liver is not usable for anyone in this country, I am going to give it to someone from another country', that is unacceptable.'

The Non-EU patients paid for transplants of livers that did not meet the quality standards set for NHS patients.

NHS Blood and Transplant, the body that runs the organ transplant register, said that Britons that donate their organs do so ‘freely and without condition’

A 2009 report by Elizabeth Buggins, a former head of the Government’s Organ Donation Task Force, recommended a ban on private transplants using organs from NHS donors.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nated-NHS.html
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No. Is this a new thing?
Only just seen this. I don't know - I just got a call asking if they could send me an information pack about a register and I told them no and to be fair, never heard anything else.
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Livers donated to the NHS have been given to fee paying patients, prepared to pay tens of thousands of pounds, it has today been revealed.

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Donated Human Liver Kept Alive Outside A Human Being

Based on pre-clinical data, the new device could also enable the preservation of livers which would otherwise be discarded as unfit for transplantation – potentially as much as doubling the number of organs available for transplant and prolonging the maximum period of organ preservation to 24 hours.

A donated human liver connected to the device is raised to body temperature and oxygenated red blood cells are circulated through its capillaries. Once on the machine, a liver functions normally just as it would inside a human body, regaining its colour and producing bile.




http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blo...iver-kept.html
 
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Best way to stop shortages of blood,organs etc is to pay for them. I'm sure if we were being paid for donating blood, a very valuable commodity, there would be plenty of willing donors. Same with internal organs. A person of your choice is left a few quid when you die. Viola, shortage averted. IMO.
Sounds like the solution.If one has a relation brain dead but organ rich you should be able to cash in
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THE NHS NEEDS MORE MONEY, PEOPLE. DIG DEEP.
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Organ donation has shot up by a staggering 50 per cent within the past five years.

Since April last year, more than 1,200 people in the UK have donated organs, helping to transform 3,100 lives, according to NHS Blood and Transplant (NHSBT).

However, doctors are keen to state that this success should not be seen as an excuse for complacency. They say that more work needs to be done, as many families still refuse to consider the possibility of organ donation when a loved one has died.



Giving and taking: The number of organs being donated is at an all time high

There are currently 7,300 patients on the transplant waiting list and 6,000 of those are waiting for new kidneys.

Nearly every donor can provide at least one kidney and usually they will be able to provide two. Each day three Britons die waiting for an organ.

The sharp rise in donation is largely due to the creation of a network of specialist nurses who support bereaved families and discuss the possibility of organ donation with them.

Specialist nurses are one of a number of recommendations made in 2008 by the Organ Donation Taskforce, following a decade of almost no increase in the number of donated organs.

The taskforce also pushed for the creation of specialist organ retrieval teams and wider promotion and campaigning around the importance of organ donation.

These recommendations have led to a sharp increase in organ donors across the UK – a rise of 49 per cent rise in England, of 16 per cent in Wales, of 74 per cent increase in Scotland and an astounding 82 per cent increase in Northern Ireland.


Consequently there has been a 31 per cent boost in the number of people receiving a life-saving or enhancing organ transplant since 2008.

‘This is an outstanding achievement that few thought possible at the time this ambition was set,’ said Bill Fullagar, chairman of NHSBT. ‘It is the result of the hard work and dedication of staff in hospitals and communities across the country.

‘We must also share our heartfelt thanks with every family who, at a great time of sadness, supported their loves one's wish to donate their organs and transform the lives of up to nine other people.’

Anthony Warrens, Professor of Renal Transplantation Surgery at Barts Health NHS Trust and the Royal London Hospital and president of the British Transplantation Society, praised the NHSBT for the increase in organ donors.

‘There can be few greater achievements than to have given life to those who were on the verge of death - but that is the reality of this achievement,’ said Prof Warrens.

‘Data show that an individual who donates his or her organs after death gives the recipients an aggregate of an additional 56 years of life. And despite the sadness of the moment, this usually becomes a major comfort to bereaved families as time passes.’

Dr Paul Murphy, an intensive care consultant in Leeds and NHSBT's national lead for organ donation, called the dramatic donation increase a ‘landmark event in donation and transplantation for the UK’.

‘It is testament to the changes we have made at every level in hospitals to deliver this, to the commitment of critical care and emergency department staff to donation, and most of all to the generosity of donors and their families,’ he said.

'‘But we can and must do more, because patients continue to die needlessly waiting for an organ transplant.

‘Now we have the foundation to push on and create a donation and transplantation service that we can be proud of. Too many families continue to say no, sometimes even overturning their loved one's commitment to donate after death.’

Despite the increase in organ donors, the numbers of families refusing to grant consent remains among the highest in Europe, and NHSBT is calling for more to be done.

In addition to this, lack of organ donation awareness amongst the black and Asian community particularly needs to targeted, according to the NHSBT.

Despite being three times more likely to need a transplant, only three per cent of this section of the population is on the organ donation register.
Sally Johnson, NHSBT's director of organ donation and transplantation, said: ‘Although I am delighted that we have made such big advances in the UK, we can and must do more.

‘We need a transformation in donor and family consent to organ donation because the UK's family refusal rate remains one of the highest in Europe.

‘Without that, there is only a limited amount the NHS can do to offer further hope to those on the waiting list for an organ transplant.’

A new strategy is to be launched this summer that will build on the 2008 recommendations of the Organ Donor Taskforce and encourage more people to donate organs.

To register for organ donation visit NHSBT Donation
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...lf-decade.html


Has the DM forgotten the story from a few weeks ago (see a few posts up) that reads:


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Livers donated to the NHS have been given to fee paying patients, prepared to pay tens of thousands of pounds, it has today been revealed.

Surgeons at King's College NHS Foundation Trust have carried out 19 of the operations in the past two year on patients from Greece, Cyprus, Kuwait, Libya and Dubai.

It is believed the trust has been paid around £1m for the procedures.
Now they're even taxing your corpse.
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Any money derived from organ donations must go to the next of kin.The Bnp should have this as a policy,they would if they were serious politicians.
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Any money derived from organ donations must go to the next of kin.The Bnp should have this as a policy,they would if they were serious politicians.
This is EXACTLY what I've said for years. If one's next of kin is responsible for paying for/arranging one's funeral, then obviously the body is the responsibility of the next of kin. If a kidney is worth 25k to a rich Arab via the NHS then it should be worth the same amount to the next of kin. The body should form part of the estate but you're not even allowed to state that you want your organs to go to a non-paedo or a white person or an odinist or whatever values you have. Imagine your next of kin finding out that your liver has saved the life of a paedo? What the hell right has the NHS got to sell off your organs?
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Wales is set to become the first part of the UK to introduce presumed consent for organ donation - despite disquiet from health workers and religious leaders.

The human transplantation (Wales) bill will mean only those who explicitly leave an instruction that they do not want their organs harvested for transplant operations will avoid potentially having their organs removed after death.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/...les-new-normal (Tuesday, 2 July 2013)
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