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Dialects
Dialects are a part of languages / countries . . Definition of a dialect : A language / tongue which dissents from the officially standardised language of a region / script-language. . Let's look at Germany . . dialects are very many here. . In the case of Germany it is because the German people are not a single people . . We have Swabians , Frisians , Saxons etc . . For a long time there even wasn't any 'German standard language' . . Little breakdown on history . . Germany came to pass when after the great peoples' migration in Europe in ancient times the Franks under Charlemagne united Germanic tribes in the middle of Europe under their leadership . . . There were duchies , archduchies etc of different peoples . . They weren't really one. . . The first person who standardised German was the Protestant reformer Martin Luther ( he translated the Bible into what became known as 'high-German' ( Hochdeutsch ) ) . . The first ones to adopt 'Luther's German' in old times was the bourgeoisie of Northern Germany . . Today the 'best German' , it is said , is spoken in the Hannover region in Lower Saxony . . . . in time more or less the whole Northern German area adopted 'Luther's German' . . They abandoned their original dialect , 'Plattdeutsch',or the speakers of it became a minorty ( the language is still alive until today though ) . . 'Plattdeutsch' is based on the ancient Saxon tongue . . The Saxons were the tribe which settled in Northern Germany ( in contrast to the people today known as 'the Saxons' , living in the Dresden / Leipzig area ) . . Apart from that , there are other dialect areas in Germany. Swabian is spoken in the Stuttgart region ( Southern Germany ) for example . . It is related to 'Swiss-German' . . The ancient Swabians settled in that area . . Bavarian-based dialects are spoken in the federal state of Bavaria itself as well as in parts of Austria . . . The Western-German dialects include Mosel-franconian and the Rhineland-dialect . . They are even related to Dutch ( the bordering area ) . . These 'ripuarian' ( 'coastal' ) German dialects are said to be based on Frisian ( the ancient Germanic tribe which settled the coast in ancient times ) . . The Middle-German dialects include the dialects spoken in Upper Saxony and Thuringia. The city of Berlin is also known for its own dialect . . - - - I know in other European places like France it is known that Paris for example "speaks the best French" . . . Often "the best version of the respective language" is spoken in the respective capitals . . such is the case in France. But . . believe me . . it isn't the case for Germany Au contraire , the Berlin-dialect is quite far from standard-German . . Example . . The phrase "Das will ich kaufen" ("I want to buy that") in the Berlin-dialect would sound "Det will ick koofen". Berlin was chosen as the German capital once because it was the main city of Prussia ( Germany was united under Prussia ) , not the because the best German is spoken there - - - Anyway . . Concerning other Caucasian countries. . I know Britain also has quite a vivid dialect / tongue landscape with 'Oxford English' being regarded as the best British english. Same with the USA . . different regions , different influences in the language . . Concerning the English language in general . . I know that there are different varieties of English , like for example that 'Pidgin'-english spoken by Negroes especially in the Caribbean . . Jamaican 'Patois' . . ( based on trying to imitate the 'simplified English' the European colonial overseers spoke with the black slaves . .) - - - - In closing a song sung in the ancient dialect of my area ( Northern Germany ) . . Last edited by ColdFire; May 9th, 2019 at 01:39 PM. |
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Well ColdFire, the small amount of German I know is all 'hochdeutsch' apparently the same as spoken in your area of northern Germany (Bremen/Hannover), so I would have trouble understanding a speaker from Bavaria or Austria or even Berlin. Depending on what English pronunciation you learned (I'm assuming 'Oxford' English?), it would probably be difficult for you to understand American southern accents. Most of my family came from the South and Texas, but I was born and grew up in the West, so I don't speak in a Southern accent, but the flatter, more monotoned 'Western' accent.
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My area brings that with itself . . Whereas many people in Germany even until this day have problems talking accent-free Hochdeutsch. But . . the ancient dialect of our area is also not forgotten even to the point that for children courses in 'Plattdeutsch' are offered to keep 'the old tongue of Northern Germany alive' . . Quote:
Bavarian is a very strong dialect and many Austrian dialects are based on Bavarian ( largely the same tribe of people ) . . As for the Berlin dialect , Berlin being located on the Northern German plain too , it did keep its dialect nevertheless . . . The Berlin-dialect is based on Plattdeutsch with Hochdeutsch-elements thrown in . . Quote:
I myself , when switching from German to English , speak a 'neutral' English , some might call that an 'English without any regional accent' , some would call it 'how a German tries to talk English' . . I can imitate a British accent if I want to as well as American but I'm 'neutral' Quote:
Though ,I watch many films in English language in the 'original' , i. e. not dubbed into German , and came across movies in 'British slang' as well as movies set in the American south with people talking typically . . I'm a bit trained on that field. Quote:
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I've always been fascinated by the fact that Italy has such a huge amount of languages, dialects and subdialects. The following linguistic map will give you an idea of what I'm talking about: |
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The area of the Italian peninsula where the city of Rome is located was called the 'Latinum' since old times. That's why the language "coming from that area" was / is called 'Latin'. Today Italian as it is written ( i. e. standard-Italian) is the language closest to ancient Latin. |
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I heard that in 'the Spanish-speaking world' there are also differences between for example Spain , Mexico , Chile et al . .
Spanish is the second most distributed language on Earth next to English . . No wonder there are differences . . Even in Spain itself . . As far as I know Castilian is the 'purest' Spanish . . Some even go so far as to claim that the 'Spanish' in Mexico for example is merely 'a Spanish slang' . . Same differences might probably exist for Portugal and Brazil . . . |
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The following post/tweet feels kinda similar to Wilders' "probleem" meme, only it's in German, and not Dutch: |
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The German words suchen dich don't mean "sucking dick." They mean "seeking you."
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Well, yes, I know that since I studied German in school, but to the average American it probably looks like it says "sucking dick". |
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Slovenia is an interesting place linguistically speaking, as it has a huge amount of dialects and subdialects, which is unusual for such a small country. Quote:
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The Cinderella fairy tale, which is known and loved by so many people all over the world, has its origin in the Kingdom of Naples, and was first written in the Neapolitan dialect/language. |
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