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Old February 15th, 2014 #21
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Fićo, fićo!!! Ja, ako si primetio, svuda stavljam ova 3 uzvičnika, ali ne jer se derem, već mi je to navika, 3 ili 4!!! Da, svi Srbi ovde su ista osoba, to je dobro što si primetio!!!! Kako god, objasnio sam onome kome sam trebao da objasnim! Zaboravio sam šifru i preko mog komšije Dagaza preneo poruku Gospodinu Linderu da imam dotični problem, te je Gos'n Linder to rešio u najkraćem roku, na šta sam mu zahvalan i sada mogu pisati pod svojim imenom!!!

Fico, I was forgot my password, so my neighber and friend contact Mr. Linder that I forgot my password and Mr. Linder solve problem in very short time and I am very gratitude for this!!! Thanks if I missed you here anyway, but I think there is no reason that we have any contact, I write my opinions, you write your and that is best!

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I am just glad that HardHawk is not here anymore because I must use so bad language when he was here, this is why I made long pause here, but when I saw that he is banned, I come back!!!
I didn't agree with everything HardHawk posted but I didn't have any problems with him.
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Old February 15th, 2014 #22
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Are these maps wrong?
No it isn't,because all map who shove wikipedia,wikimedia or something other similar pages is right,but maps which is specific ranking about history is bad as I was showed.

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The maps in your link don't even show Dusan's Empire at a time when Croat state didn't even exist?
This is not my link,this is link of page which is in this link http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/

In this map was mentioned Raska (not Serbia) between 1300.-1400 http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1300/index.html . This Empire lasted short years-25 years,also Croatia between lasted short years-4 years and Croatia didn't mentioned time between 41.-45.,Croatian Kingdom is in Personal Union with Hungary between 1300.-1400. but isn't mentioned.

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Can you tell me where is Croatian state mentioned in Frankish Chronicles? According to the Royal Frankish Annals in 822 Ljudevit went from his seat in Sisak to the Serbs in western Bosnia, the Serbs are also mentioned as controlling the greater part of Dalmatia ("Sorabos, quae natio magnam Dalmatiae partem obtinere dicitur").
Croatian is not state in this time but Kingdom was born in early period of 9 century on Balkan as White Croatia in areas where is today Poland for example.
Show me map where Serbs control greater part of Dalmatia 822. Wikipedia,wikimedia?
Where is Serbian state in this period?

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I know you like to live in fairy tales of great neational romanticism, (as do many other people regardless of European nationality) but fact is your short lived statehood was extinguished in 1100 and you didn't get it again til 1991 (if we can even call this EU/ZOG occupation statehood). Your capitals in last over 900 years, or at least cities where decisions about Croatia were made, have been Budapest Bec (Vienna in Serbo-Croat} Berlin Belgrade and now Brussels.
This is exactly. As extinguished (Kingdom) was much longer than Dushan Empire for example. Also Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Hungary 1102. concluded contract Pacta Conventa and this contract say that only connection between Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Hungary is just King,same contract Kingdom of Croatia concluded with Habsburg monarchy 1527. when is also only connection between Habsburg monarchy and Kingdom of Croatia King-this says contract. Also we have Triune Kingdom in Habsburg Monarchy so don't me speak about extinguished of Croat,just look in empire in which you have been on this part.
I forgot in wich empire you have been in this period,can you tell me?
Also is really interesting that Croatia between 41.-45. isn't existed because nobody of your nation can't accuse us,how wonderful that ZOG and company know this.


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Same logic as you guys which is where Croats live is Croatia. Croatia to Zemun and border on Drina even incorporating Sandzak into this Greater Croatian state.
This is classic example of replacement thesis when someone have wrong.
Of course,we can't accept communist border,but you maybe can because you have Vojvodina within Serbia and situation within Bosnia (articifial state who communist deducted Croatia after ww2) suits you because you have entity Republic of Serbia which created ZOG and company with Dayton agreement. But it is not first time that Serbs think that they have right for establish State in all areas when live Serbs,for example they have right for establish Serbia in Australia,SAD,Canada....etc.


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My opinion is that once we defeat ZOG, if we stillcan't get along, we could just fight it out and may the best nation win, but this time WITHOUT any foreign interference, be that German or American.
Another armed conflict here in short time,and maybe we can say goodby with Croats and Serbs,I think that three wars have been enough in 20 century between us. Conflict between us will never happened that Serbs didn't write Nacertanije.


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Starcevic was a chauvinist and you know it and are proud of him because of it but I don't care, fact is Garasanin had nothing on Starcevic in terms of any kind of hatred for Croats.
No,I don't know that Starcevic was chauvinist,can you tell me one example of his chauvinism? Of course,you have right that I am proud on him,no Grasanin had noting of hatred for Croats,all wars which caused Grasanin with Nacertanije is just for love between us.

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Yeah im sure that Nacertanije was in the minds of Serbian villagers defending their land and lives in Bosnia and Krajina. i guess they were all brainwashed by 'velikosrpska ideologija'.
Krajina? What is that? Serbian villagers showed respect in last war,particulary in operation Storm. You must be very proud of their defense.

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Old February 15th, 2014 #23
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In this map was mentioned Raska (not Serbia) between 1300.-1400 http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1300/index.html . This Empire lasted short years-25 years,also Croatia between lasted short years-4 years and Croatia didn't mentioned time between 41.-45.,Croatian Kingdom is in Personal Union with Hungary between 1300.-1400. but isn't mentioned.
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Show me map where Serbs control greater part of Dalmatia 822. Wikipedia,wikimedia?
Where is Serbian state in this period?
Serbian state was Raska/Hercegovina and in Bosnia however Serbs also lived in Dalmatia.

Croats never fully controlled the coastal region/Dalmatia. Even under NDH Italians were controlling the coastline, Zara Spalato Fiume are old Italian names for 'your' towns on the Adriatic, and it is only due to Tito and partisans that they were driven out/ethnically cleansed, and those areas of Adriatic coast Istra and Dalmatia given to the newly proclaimed Socialist Republic of Croatia.
I say we be fair and give it back to the Italians as it was historically part of the Roman Empire and Venetian republic, or just let it revert back to local feuding mini city states as it once was.

I think you know how Serbs of Dalmatia and Italians showed what good cooperation means during WW2 with Partisans and Ustashe not really being able to do much, at least for a short time.


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Croatian is not state in this time but Kingdom was born in early period of 9 century on Balkan as White Croatia in areas where is today Poland for example.
Yes, White Serbia was also in present day Poland/Germany. The Sorbs are remnants of this.


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This is exactly. As extinguished (Kingdom) was much longer than Dushan Empire for example. Also Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Hungary 1102. concluded contract Pacta Conventa and this contract say that only connection between Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Hungary is just King,same contract Kingdom of Croatia concluded with Habsburg monarchy 1527. when is also only connection between Habsburg monarchy and Kingdom of Croatia King-this says contract. Also we have Triune Kingdom in Habsburg Monarchy so don't me speak about extinguished of Croat,just look in empire in which you have been on this part.
Yeah right 'union' on paper in which foreign kings lord over you and you have no real say on the stuff that matters. You were staging peasant revolts/uprisings which the Hungarians would put down. Petar Svacic's (your last native king) struggle against Hungarians (who was killed), Mateja Gubec who led the peasants revolt and was executed. Your history under Hungarians and Austrians was not rosy and many Croats wanted their own state but it was not to be for a very long time. That is why you saw perfect opportunity in the creation of first Yugoslavia as a kind transition on your way to statehood and freedom from foreign Austro-Hungarian rule.

Of course failing to understand the national soul of Croats and to grasp the fact that catholicism and orthodoxy don't mix, especially in an area which has been the historic fault line between the two sects of the anti white jeboo cult, victorious idealistic pan Slavic Serbian retards instead of creating a strong centralized ethnic Serbian state post WW1 on all territories which THEY ALONE had liberated and on which Serbs lived were duped by Anglo masons into creating artificial counter Serbian entity Yugoslavia, the so called kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes. Then came the commies who of course viewed this non nationalistic liberal democratic south Slavic kingdom as an exploitive bourgeois Greater Serbian Imperialist state which must be crushed in order to create a new people's socialist Yugoslavia, drew up new AVNOJ borders, and the rest was history.


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I forgot in wich empire you have been in this period,can you tell me?
Part of Serbs were under Ottoman occupation, other part were under Austro Hungarians and the rest were in still independent Serbian principality of Montenegro.


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Also is really interesting that Croatia between 41.-45. isn't existed because nobody of your nation can't accuse us,how wonderful that ZOG and company know this.
NDH Croatia 41-45 can solely be attributed to Serbian stupidity and nothing else.


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This is classic example of replacement thesis when someone have wrong.
Of course,we can't accept communist border,but you maybe can because you have Vojvodina within Serbia and situation within Bosnia (articifial state who communist deducted Croatia after ww2) suits you because you have entity Republic of Serbia which created ZOG and company with Dayton agreement. .
You have Dalmatia which communists gave you as they turned you from defeated nation in WW2 into victorious one overnight, which meant that you didnt have to pay reparations in form of territory to all the Serbs you butchered ethnically cleansed between 41-45. If I were you a portrait of Tito would be hanging on my wall. How come Germany was made to pay massive reparations to jews/allies and undergo 'denazification' but not Croatia? Well im not really confused, the answer is TITO.

As for Vojvodina it was Slavic before the arrival of Magyars so.

You really don't want to get me started on Bosnia Dayton 'Agreement' etc. I was there and know more about this stuff than you can comprehend. BTW Bosnain Serbs were militarily in control of 70% of Bosnia during the war. Dayton, which was illegitimate as democratically elected representatives of Bosnian Serbs were barred from the so called 'negotiating table (later indicted by ZOG for war crimes and genocide),' rolled them back to around 47%, and that 47% is under NATO occupation anyway, with Serbian people being smeared hunted down arrested and threatened on a daily basis.


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But it is not first time that Serbs think that they have right for establish State in all areas when live Serbs,for example they have right for establish Serbia in Australia,SAD,Canada....etc
Yeah everyone has a right to establish their own national states on the ruins of Austro Hungarian Empire except Serbs, great logic.

Speaking of Australia,SAD,Canada, West Europe, the Croat community has historically been much more vocal high profile connected organized and even violent in places like Australia (see The Croatian Six) US Canada West Europe (killing of ambassador Rolovic, bombings of JAT, various threats and violent anti Yugolsav demonstartions) than small non political Serbian communities of those countries (who often just labeled themselves apolitical Yugos) I only say this because it is something I respect you for as your clanishness and ethnic solidarity is something Serbs can learn a lot from.



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Another armed conflict here in short time,and maybe we can say goodby with Croats and Serbs,I think that three wars have been enough in 20 century between us.
I agree with you here. Only muslims and outside forces hostile to both peoples will truly benefit from any serious future Croat Serb conflicts. But hey look on the bright side my friend, now you are part of NATO so if the evil Serbian aggressors play up or threaten you in any way you know who to call, in fact you will not even need to call as they will be happy to come on their own just itching to lay the smack down on tyranny once again and put those damn Serbs in their rightful place.

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Conflict between us will never happened that Serbs didn't write Nacertanije.
I don't agree


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No,I don't know that Starcevic was chauvinist,can you tell me one example of his chauvinism? Of course,you have right that I am proud on him,no Grasanin had noting of hatred for Croats,all wars which caused Grasanin with Nacertanije is just for love between us.
hehe you are funny. Slavosrbi gori od zidova. I suppose another of your 'Croat' Serbophobe HSP idols, Josip Frank was not a jew, right?

It is also interesting to note that half Starcevic's hatred for Serbs also translated into hatred for all Slavs in general. As a side note the man's mother was Serbian so technically he hated himself. Really twisted individual, but that's just my opinion, you of course are free to praise him all you want. Two of the biggest Serb haters in Croatia's history, one is half Serb the other a jew.


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Krajina? What is that? Serbian villagers showed respect in last war,particulary in operation Storm. You must be very proud of their defense.
That's a low blow my friend but thats ok I don't expect less. You know very well that for four years prior to American approved Storm RSK was under tight embrgo, heavy weapons removed, no fly zone, UN spies in, entire Serb controlled area mapped out by US satellites with coordinates given to Croats, NATO strikes on radars and air fields to help the Croat advance etc. Without tight UN sanctions on Serbs, US/NATO logistic military and political support/cover Storm would never have happened. Of course i also blame us as due to combination of Western pressure and idiotic clinging to old communist Yugoslav brotherhood-unity ideology of multi ethnic JNA generals Serbs were stopped when we had the battle initiative and momentum in mid 91. In my opinion RSK was already lost by the end of 1991, August 1995 Oluja was just picking off the rotten corpse.

Gotovina (in the middle) with his NATO commanders planning Operation Storm.




Anyway not to end on such a bitter note

Ko nas bre zavadi?

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Old February 16th, 2014 #24
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Serbian state was Raska/Hercegovina and in Bosnia however Serbs also lived in Dalmatia.
Do you have proof for that? Do you know how many Serbs lived in croatian province Bosnia,Dalmacia,Hercegovina in 9. Century?Here is the mapo in 9 century http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/800/index.html


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Croats never fully controlled the coastal region/Dalmatia.
Why you can't show me map when Serbs controlled Dalmatia?

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Even under NDH Italians were controlling the coastline, Zara Spalato Fiume are old Italian names for 'your' towns on the Adriatic, and it is only due to Tito and partisans that they were driven out/ethnically cleansed, and those areas of Adriatic coast Istra and Dalmatia given to the newly proclaimed Socialist Republic of Croatia.
I say we be fair and give it back to the Italians as it was historically part of the Roman Empire and Venetian republic, or just let it revert back to local feuding mini city states as it once was.
Do you know in wich century history know for Italians? This name which you was mentioned have coleration wi th Latin language who have been language of Romans (not Italian). Italians controled Dalmatia just two years when Croats get Indempendent State of Croatia,because you and I know how good warriors are Italians. You have big in wrong about Tito with Dalmatia because Pavelic ordered attack on Dalmatia in 1943. and croatian warriors are returned Dalmatia in Croatian state. Socialistic Republic of Croatia is classic communist creation without today Bosnia and Herzegovina who created communist just because that Croatia don't have its history land and that Croatia have funniest form then any other state have int he world.

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I think you know how Serbs of Dalmatia and Italians showed what good cooperation means during WW2 with Partisans and Ustashe not really being able to do much, at least for a short time.
Yes,I know how good cooperation Chetnicks (yugoslav wariors for King) and Italians showed with Partisans (yus goslaw warriorfor munist yugoslavia),also I know how about good cooperation Serbs and Italians in Rapaian agreement when serbian king gived Dalmaof tia,Istra and lot islands Italians 1920. all on damage Croats but serbian king have been killed for this.

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Yes, White Serbia was also in present day Poland/Germany. The Sorbs are remnants of this.
You must know what is nation. Whitr Croatia is state and Sorbs are nation, (theyas Croats in 7.century was nation and Croatia in 9 century i Kingdom (we can say state).

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Yeah right 'union' on paper in which foreign kings lord over you and you have no real say on the stuff that matters.
1527. Croats indenpendently decide about yourself when Kingdom of Croatia wenw in Personal Union with Habsburgs. Also we have Triune Kingdom in Habsburg Monarchy,Parilament,but I know all about conflicts with Hungars and Austrians,they watch just its own interests,but Croats showed Hungars who they are with Jelacic,and Habsburgs with Zrinski and Frankopan.

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. That is why you saw perfect opportunity in the creation of first Yugoslavia as a kind transition on your way to statehood and freedom from foreign Austro-Hungarian rule.
1.December 1918. Nobod y tell Croats If they want Union with Kingdom of Serbia but Croatia is occupied by Kingdom of Serbia.

5.December 1918.Croats Home Guards seeking Indempendent State of Croatia and new Serbian regime was killed some of them.

20. June 1928. One serbian politicans shoted Croatian leader Stjepan Radić and some other Croatian politicans.

6.january 1929. Serbian king created dictatatiure,an changed state name with Yugoslavia but they had regular Chetnicks formation (traditional serbian military).

Answer on this serbian tirany havre been Ustasha movement which have been created after when serbian king created dictatature.
7.january 1929.

Nice freedom we have in Yugoslavia

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Of course failing to understand the national soul of Croats and to grasp the fact that catholicism and orthodoxy don't mix, especially in an area which has been the historic fault line between the two sects of the anti white jeboo cult, victorious idealistic pan Slavic Serbian retards instead of creating a strong centralized ethnic Serbian state post WW1 on all territories which THEY ALONE had liberated and on which Serbs lived were duped by Anglo masons into creating artificial counter Serbian entity Yugoslavia, the so called kingdom of Serbs Croats and Slovenes. Then came the commies who of course viewed this non nationalistic liberal democratic south Slavic kingdom as an exploitive bourgeois Greater Serbian Imperialist state which must be crushed in order to create a new people's socialist Yugoslavia, drew up new AVNOJ borders, and the rest was history.
Jews with Freemasons controled all events in ww1,events after ww1,and ww2,after ww2,and jews have been and are only winners. They can give some ad in advantage in tactic "divide and conquer" as your nation which serbian king have been Freemason,and his son when Yugoslavia disappeared came in London with his boss Freemason

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Part of Serbs were under Ottoman occupation, other part were under Austro Hungarians and the rest were in still independent Serbian principality of Montenegro.
Why Montenegro nation don't know that they are Serbs? I ask you this question because we can see two different nations. Which part of Serbia is in Austro-Hungars? Wich in Ottoman Empire?

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NDH Croatia 41-45 can solely be attributed to Serbian stupidity and nothing else.
NDH means Independent State of Croatia i never heard for NDH Croatia just for NDH.
Serbian stupidty,I don't know If you know that Croats booted revolution in 6 April 1941 and because oft his revolution Croats have state int his time,because Yugoslavia is still ever int he Tripartite Pact. Funny is that because of Serb we have Croatia between 41.-45.-people who read this can have wrong conclusion.


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You have Dalmatia which communists gave you as they turned you from defeated nation in WW2 into victorious one overnight, which meant that you didnt have to pay reparations in form of territory to all the Serbs you butchered ethnically cleansed between 41-45. If I were you a portrait of Tito would be hanging on my wall. How come Germany was made to pay massive reparations to jews/allies and undergo 'denazification' but not Croatia? Well im not really confused, the answer is TITO.

As for Vojvodina it was Slavic before the arrival of Magyars so.
I repeat:You have big in wrong about Tito with Dalmatia because Pavelic ordered attack on Dalmatia in 1943. and croatian warriors are returned Dalmatia in Croatian state. Socialistic Republic of Croatia is classic communist creation without today Bosnia and Herzegovina who created communist just because that Croatia don't have its history land and that Croatia have funniest form then any other state have int he world.
Who are Slavs? You have that Vojvodina have been Slavic before the arrival of Magyars.

You speak about reparations,how much we owe you?



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Yeah everyone has a right to establish their own national states on the ruins of Austro Hungarian Empire except Serbs, great logic.
Croats have right for establish Croatian state of Sutla to the Drina to East Srijem,I don't know where you have right. Can you tell me?

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I agree with you here. Only muslims and outside forces hostile to both peoples will truly benefit from any serious future Croat Serb conflicts. But hey look on the bright side my friend, now you are part of NATO so if the evil Serbian aggressors play up or threaten you in any way you know who to call, in fact you will not even need to call as they will be happy to come on their own just itching to lay the smack down on tyranny once again and put those damn Serbs in their rightful place.
What is wrong? Know we have NATO as you had JNA (communist army). So,just try something,we will see how will your defend If you can
I just don't know which will be fate of Republic of Serbia within Bosnia,because globalists created her with Dayton,well maybe NATO will be confused or maybe we play for you,because we are part of NATO.


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hehe you are funny. Slavosrbi gori od zidova. I suppose another of your 'Croat' Serbophobe HSP idols, Josip Frank was not a jew, right?
It is also interesting to note that half Starcevic's hatred for Serbs also translated into hatred for all Slavs in general. As a side note the man's mother was Serbian so technically he hated himself. Really twisted individual, but that's just my opinion, you of course are free to praise him all you want. Two of the biggest Serb haters in Croatia's history, one is half Serb the other a jew.
Name of your nation is in corelation with latin name "servus"-servant.
Starcevic don't think on your nation,but he think of nation traitors.
Frank is jew and I don't know in wich way he hate Serbs but I know that occured to division within Clean Party of Rights because Frank after Starcevic death.

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That's a low blow my friend but thats ok I don't expect less. You know very well that for four years prior to American approved Storm RSK was under tight embrgo, heavy weapons removed, no fly zone, UN spies in, entire Serb controlled area mapped out by US satellites with coordinates given to Croats, NATO strikes on radars and air fields to help the Croat advance etc. Without tight UN sanctions on Serbs, US/NATO logistic military and political support/cover Storm would never have happened. Of course i also blame us as due to combination of Western pressure and idiotic clinging to old communist Yugoslav brotherhood-unity ideology of multi ethnic JNA generals Serbs were stopped when we had the battle initiative and momentum in mid 91. In my opinion RSK was already lost by the end of 1991, August 1995 Oluja was just picking off the rotten corpse.

Gotovina (in the middle) with his NATO commanders planning Operation Storm.
Croats have also been under embargo when war was started by someone (globalists). Friend,you had one communist army which have been 3. military in Europe in your side,all wepons,barracks, support outside (embargo on weapon on Croats) and you lost war. Who were attacked you in Storm,NATO and Americans or Croats? Maybe Aliens where supported us,because wisdom is losed theritory in such short time. Dayton was saved you by croatian blitzkrieg. Ko nas bre zavadi?

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Old February 17th, 2014 #25
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Slusaj Fico da se razumemo, ja uopste nemam namere da pljujem po hrvatima da se kacim sa vama, da ovde na americkom WN sajtu ispravljam krive Drine. Moj fokus je od uvek bio na Beli Nacionalizam Zidovsko Pitanje i ZOG. Znam da su par srpskih clanova dosli ovde na hrvatsku sekciju da te malo cackaju i provociraju, tako da posle lako dodje do prepucavanja svadja i problema vec vidjenih toliko puta. Ovo ce mi verovatno biti zadnji post na vasem delu foruma.

Look just so you don't get the wrong impression of me, I'm not here to attack Croats or troll your section, I certainly don't have the time, or interest, for that, and really the Serb-Croat problem will never be properly settled, certainly not on WN forums ( I think the current Serb-Croat relations on SF are definietly a big improvement to the flaming and chaos that was there in the past).

You have your 'truth' and there is nothing I can do to change what you believe so this may probably be my last post on your section as I am not here for our local diputes but for WN related news, the jewish problem/ZOG, and internatioanl politics. There are many Ustasha and Chetnik sites where chauvinists of all stripes can go to vent their frustrations and deep seated complexes. I'm far more concerned with ZOG, its occupation govt in Belgrade and local Serbian traitors (anti Serbian neo-Yugoslavs who are ten times worse and dangerous for my nation than the most vocal ustashe), shiptars, muslims and gypsy scum, than I am with Croats, who at this moment are not even an issue for 99% of all Serbs. I know in your case the opposite is true as you are still seem to be obsessed with us, which I guess is understandable as a big chunk of Croat nationalism is built on the Serbian issue, but hey that's your 'problem'. So just a couple of quick points in response :


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Do you have proof for that? Do you know how many Serbs lived in croatian province Bosnia,Dalmacia,Hercegovina in 9. Century?Here is the mapo in 9 century http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/800/index.html
Al si se uhvatio za tu mapu. Anyway even on your map you don't really control Dalmatia as it shows you more north. Of course I have proof. Croatian province of Bosnia, and most Serbian part of east Hercegovina as well that is very funny especially when we see the history of Bosnia and who it belonged to. Serb land of Bosnia. http://cafehome.tripod.com/serbdom-eng.htm all the historic documents spell it out clearly, but hey believe what you want. In any case if ZOG has its way neither Serbs nor Croats will have Bosnia. They have de-legitimized both Bosnian Serbs and Croats as they attempt to do what Austro-Hungarian jew Kalaj and Communists tried in the past, which is creation of artificial Bosnian identity under Bosnian muslims. Under this plan all Serbs become 'Orthodox Bosnians" while Croats become 'Catholic Bosnians'. I hope you now see the utter stupidity of groups like Blaz Kraljevic's HOS when in 1992they allied with Izetbegovic regime thinking that it would get Croats a border on the river Drina. Didn't quite work out as planned did it? Of course more saner Croats like Mate Boban's people and HVO in central Bosnia even cooperated with Bosnian Serbs during 93-94, with many of your civilians and fighters being saved by the BSA from certain death at the hands of your formeer muslim allies, the 'flowers'.


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Why you can't show me map when Serbs controlled Dalmatia?
Serbs and Croats were present in Dalmatia but they didn't have ethnic states in those times. In history of Dalmatia region it has always been a Roman Venetian sphere of influence with feuding coastal city states. BTW historically during Roman times the province of Dalmatia was much larger than todays as it stretched from Istra to what is present day Alabania. What is referred to today as Dalmatia is much smaller. Dalamtia also has a common more Med culture which has nothing to do with other parts of todays Croatia, for instance what on earth does Slavonia have in common with Dalmatia or Istra?

Let me ask you a question. What do you think about this map?



Why do majority of Croats speak Serbian stokavaian? Present-day division between Shtokavian (ethnic Serb) and Chakavian-Kajkavian (Croat) language. If you can't stand Serbs so much then you may want to stop using our language.


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Do you know in which century history know for Italians? This name which you was mentioned have coleration wi th Latin language who have been language of Romans (not Italian). Italians controled Dalmatia just two years when Croats get Indempendent State of Croatia,because you and I know how good warriors are Italians. You have big in wrong about Tito with Dalmatia because Pavelic ordered attack on Dalmatia in 1943. and croatian warriors are returned Dalmatia in Croatian state. Socialistic Republic of Croatia is classic communist creation without today Bosnia and Herzegovina who created communist just because that Croatia don't have its history land and that Croatia have funniest form then any other state have int he world.
If we are talking about Middle Ages it was the Venice Republic. Tell me are you going to also claim Roman and Venetian history as your own? All the buildings and architecture?

What kind of warriors Italians are Im not getting into but Pavelic understood that Mussolini was boss so he had to shut up and not make a big deal about the coast. He also had to let Hungarians take Baranjna region in the north east which commies later gave to socialist Croatia.

When Italy was already turning.

Dalmatia would never have been part of a future Croat state had Germany and Italy won WW2. What, Hitler was going to take the side of Pavelic over an issue which would infuriate his bigger ally the Italians, please. Tell me why didn't Tito punish Croats and take Dalmatia away from them like he took Kosovo and Vojvodina away from Serbia? Why did he also add Hungarian controlled Baranja to Croatia?

Tito's partizans fully 'liberated' Dalmatia and incoroporated it into SFR Croatia, that is fact. Due to this local Serbian chetniks had to flee the country same as local Italian population (collaborators with so called occupier), I think you know that some of them ended up living in the US.

hehe Hrvatska Kifla, yeah well Serbs were willing to fix that shape for you but due to foreign factors beyond our control it didn't quite pan out.

You are very lucky as you managed to do, with foreign help, to Croatian Serbs what Serbs got bombed for allegedly 'doing' to Serbian shiptars. If only they had treated us like they treated you, but unfortunately we were not Clinton's and NATOs junkyard dogs, see deceased jew criminal Richard Holbrook for further info.


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Yes,I know how good cooperation Chetnicks (yugoslav wariors for King) and Italians showed with Partisans (yus goslaw warriorfor munist yugoslavia),also I know how about good cooperation Serbs and Italians in Rapaian agreement when serbian king gived Dalmaof tia,Istra and lot islands Italians 1920. all on damage Croats but serbian king have been killed for this.
Just to let you know, I am not a Chetnik nor do I sympathize with Anglophile Draza's faction.

Italians 'fascists' and Chetniks cooperated with the partisans? lol Chetniks were fighting partisans even more than they were fighting ustashe. Are you even aware of the bloody civil war waged in Serbia between chetniks and partizans, between Nedic's SDK and commies?

As for the pro Yugoslav Serbian king, he done more damage to Serbs than to anyone else. Serbs should have killed him.


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You must know what is nation. Whitr Croatia is state and Sorbs are nation, (theyas Croats in 7.century was nation and Croatia in 9 century i Kingdom (we can say state).
I was referring to the general area where they migrated from. White Serbia and White Croatia.

"White Serbia (Serbian: Белa Србиja; Archaic: Бојка, Greek: Boiki), is the majestic homeland of the ancestors of the Serbs, of the White Serbs (Serbian: Бели Срби, Beli Srbi). In De Administrando Imperio the homeland is also called Bojka (Бојка, Greek: Boiki[citation needed]).

The area adjacent to White Serbia was known as White Croatia, where the Croats trace their origin. White Serbia and its ethnic designates, the White Serbs, could be interpreted through attributes such as "the unbaptized" or "pagan" (Pre- Christian), according to the De administrando imperio"



Sorry but I just don't view Croats as a serious and solid state forming nation. If we are so inferior to you why did you accept our pathetic king ? Why was Belgrade your capital? Why did you demand unification? And dont tell me you didn't. Maybe small sector of Croats didn't but all of Croat leaders at the time were in favour of union as was majority of population. Serbian liberators entering Zagreb 1918, being greeted by Croat 'brothers'.



Serbs liberating Zagreb






Serbian army gave you statehood and status as a real political factor in kingodom of SHS.

You see I am of the view that this was a catastrophic mistake on part of foolish christard Serbs, we should have never liberated Zagreb or any area past the Karlobag-Karlovac-Virovitica line. We lost such a huge chunk of our population in Balkans wars for liberation and WW1 that to throw it all away on some horrible multi ethnic Yugoslav project instead of a strong centralized ethnic Serbian state was insanity not seen anywhere in history.


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1527. Croats indenpendently decide about yourself when Kingdom of Croatia wenw in Personal Union with Habsburgs. Also we have Triune Kingdom in Habsburg Monarchy,Parilament,but I know all about conflicts with Hungars and Austrians,they watch just its own interests,but Croats showed Hungars who they are with Jelacic,and Habsburgs with Zrinski and Frankopan.

Well if Triune Kingdom then why all the tensions/conflicts. Are you claiming Croats didnt want their own free state? I know they did. People can look up for themselves about the various conflicts and uprisings within the Austro-Hungarian empire, also conflicts between the Austrians and Hungarians themselves, like the outbreak of the Hungarian Revolution, in the 1840s I think. I don't have time nor can I be bothered to post all the info here right now.

Yes Jelacic Zrinski and Matija Gubec are all Croats I have respect for. BTW your Ban Jelacic took his oath before the Serbian Orthodox Patriarch.



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1.December 1918. Nobod y tell Croats If they want Union with Kingdom of Serbia but Croatia is occupied by Kingdom of Serbia.

5.December 1918.Croats Home Guards seeking Indempendent State of Croatia and new Serbian regime was killed some of them.

20. June 1928. One serbian politicans shoted Croatian leader Stjepan Radić and some other Croatian politicans.

6.january 1929. Serbian king created dictatatiure,an changed state name with Yugoslavia but they had regular Chetnicks formation (traditional serbian military).

Answer on this serbian tirany havre been Ustasha movement which have been created after when serbian king created dictatature.
7.january 1929.

Nice freedom we have in Yugoslavia

I prefer the term liberated, but hey whatever floats your boat.

Can you tell me why didn't the entire Croat population come out onto the streets and demand independence right then? Instead they nostly welcomed the liberating Serbian army. Now again Im not saying that there weren't some elements who weren't happy but their view was drowned out by the vast majority of Croats at the time who were in favour as pan Slavist ideology was still strong. BTW first pan-Slavist was the 17th-century Croatian Catholic missionary Juraj Krizanic. Other early pan Slavists were also Adam Franz Kollar and Pavel Jozef Safarik, so as you can see this idiotic ideology was not a Serbian creation, but of course stupid Serbs were used as cannon fodder in its name to free their Slavic 'brothers' from foreign 'occupation/oppression'.

So response to one Stjepan Radic who openly mocked and provoked Serbs in center of Belgrade is Jasenovac and attempted eradication of entire Serbian population of Bosna Hercegovina Slavonia Dalmacija. Very nice logic. what should our response to your actions be? Full eradicationof every Croat?

You can admire ustashe all you want, I'm certainly not here to try to change your opinion or convince you about anything.


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Jews with Freemasons controled all events in ww1,events after ww1,and ww2,after ww2,and jews have been and are only winners. They can give some ad in advantage in tactic "divide and conquer" as your nation which serbian king have been Freemason,and his son when Yugoslavia disappeared came in London with his boss Freemason

I agree fully with the bolded.

Or your nation in NATO prepared Operation Storm and reducing number of Serbs in Croatia from 18% in 1990 to under 2% in 1995.

Our king was an Anglophile muliculturalist Yugoslavian piece of shit so i don't see how his rule benefited us in any way.



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Why Montenegro nation don't know that they are Serbs? I ask you this question because we can see two different nations. Which part of Serbia is in Austro-Hungars? Wich in Ottoman Empire?
Why how did I guess, you also deny Serbdom of Montenegro. Of course you do as your ustasha ideology classes them as Crveni Hrvati (Red Croats) Slovenes are also classed as Alpski Hrvati (Alpine Croats) Bosnian Serbs as orthodox Croats and Vlachs....



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NDH means Independent State of Croatia i never heard for NDH Croatia just for NDH.
Serbian stupidty,I don't know If you know that Croats booted revolution in 6 April 1941 and because oft his revolution Croats have state int his time,because Yugoslavia is still ever int he Tripartite Pact. Funny is that because of Serb we have Croatia between 41.-45.-people who read this can have wrong conclusion.
Yes you know what I mean. NDH Nezavisna Drzava Hrvatska. You know the history of the 41 March events and who pulled the strings behind the scenes, look it up I cant be bothered writing in depth about it now. I think I have already posted about it somewhere in the serbian section.



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Who are Slavs? You have that Vojvodina have been Slavic before the arrival of Magyars.
Yes although the Magyars absorbed the slavic population that is why today hungarians although not speaking an Indo European language are still very close culturally and racially to their Slavic neighbours.


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You speak about reparations,how much we owe you?

Nah, how about just putting the catholic chauvinism and Serbophobia on hold for the time being and working together in Bosnia to destroy this artificial muslim led mini Yugoslavia monstrosity that ZOG has created.


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Croats have right for establish Croatian state of Sutla to the Drina to East Srijem,I don't know where you have right. Can you tell me?
Why such humble minimal demands? You so deserve more. What about Sandzak Montenegro and the 'Alpine Croats'?

Maybe now that you are in NATO those borders are looking more likely, although maybe not, as I don't think that Western pets the Bosnian muslims would be in agreement.

West of Drina was occupied by AU east by Ottomans. Drina is the (kichma) backbone of the Serbian nation not a border as you and our democratic friends in the International Community would like it to be.

See the difference between me and you is that I'm not a chauvinist and I wish Bosnian Croats to have their own state and be free from muslim/EU domination, you on the other hand in your hatred and greed would rather sacrifice Bosnia's remaining Croats to muslims just if it means extinguishing Republika Srpska. Not a good position to take my friend, especially in the current climate.


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What is wrong? Know we have NATO as you had JNA (communist army). So,just try something,we will see how will your defend If you can
I just don't know which will be fate of Republic of Serbia within Bosnia,because globalists created her with Dayton,well maybe NATO will be confused or maybe we play for you,because we are part of NATO.

Oh boy JNA again, if only that were a Serbian army. Anyway they were withdrawn fully from Croatia by end of 91 beginning of 92, and from Bosnia later that same year. So basically since then you and your muslims allies only had local Serbian peasants to deal with, and it still took years, 24-7 media campaign, sanctions, internationalization, Milosevic's blockade and foreign bombs to achieve the results. BTW when they bomb you then talk to me





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Name of your nation is in corelation with latin name "servus"-servant.
Starcevic don't think on your nation,but he think of nation traitors.
Frank is jew and I don't know in wich way he hate Serbs but I know that occured to division within Clean Party of Rights because Frank after Starcevic death.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Read first post from unfortunately former user Sorab14 about the origins of name Srbin.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t420895/

So wasn't your hero Starcevic half Serbian? Are you denying it? heheh a stari Pravas like you and you 'don't know' about Frank's ideology in relation to Serbs, ok no problem.


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Croats have also been under embargo when war was started by someone (globalists). Friend,you had one communist army which have been 3. military in Europe in your side,all wepons,barracks, support outside (embargo on weapon on Croats) and you lost war. Who were attacked you in Storm,NATO and Americans or Croats? Maybe Aliens where supported us,because wisdom is losed theritory in such short time. Dayton was saved you by croatian blitzkrieg. Ko nas bre zavadi?
Again with this nonsense about the rotten at its internal core ethnically diverse army being 'ours'. The federal, anti nationalist ,political, heavily indocrinated in to the yugo multi kult spirit of Brotherhood and Unity, JNA (Yugolsav People's Army) disintegrated, other parts of it were withdrawn to Serbia. You guys got plenty of weapons too, for example entire Varazdinski Korpus as did Bosnian muslims in areas where barracks arms dumps and heavy weapons were on their territory. Who got the spoils depended on where the stuff was located, and it was spread out all over Bosnia and Croatia, also to mention all the covert arms shipments that NATO and the Islamic world were pumping into the area for you and the muslims through the ports like Split and airfield in Tuzla, so I don't understand why you constantly cite this as an issue, of course I do as it is an attempt to present to the world that poor democratic victims were unarmed and defenceless in the face of such 'aggression'.


Yes, if one has closely studied the unfolding events duringv that period and he is fair and impartial there is absolutely no denying that Storm was a 100% American and NATO attack on politically militarily economically isolated disamred and demoralized peasants of the RSK. You of course are free to celebrate it as a crowing achievement in your nation's short history.


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US role in Operation Storm

Author: Ivo Pukanic

Source: Nacional, Croatian weekly magazine

http://www.nacional.hr/index3e.php?b...english&id=516

May 24, 2005

Thrilled with Operation Flash, President Clinton gave the go ahead for Operation Storm

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The United States was actively involved in the preparation, monitoring and initiation of Operation Storm: the green light from President Clinton was passed on by the US military attache in Zagreb, and the operations were transmitted in real time to the Pentagon

http://cryptome.org/us-op-storm.htm

note this is a Croatian source not Serbian.
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Look just so you don't get the wrong impression of me, I'm not here to attack Croats or troll your section, I certainly don't have the time, or interest, for that, and really the Serb-Croat problem will never be properly settled, certainly not on WN forums ( I think the current Serb-Croat relations on SF are definietly a big improvement to the flaming and chaos that was there in the past).
You have your 'truth' and there is nothing I can do to change what you believe so this may probably be my last post on your section as I am not here for our local diputes but for WN related news, the jewish problem/ZOG, and internatioanl politics. There are many Ustasha and Chetnik sites where chauvinists of all stripes can go to vent their frustrations and deep seated complexes. I'm far more concerned with ZOG, its occupation govt in Belgrade and local Serbian traitors (anti Serbian neo-Yugoslavs who are ten times worse and dangerous for my nation than the most vocal ustashe), shiptars, muslims and gypsy scum, than I am with Croats, who at this moment are not even an issue for 99% of all Serbs. I know in your case the opposite is true as you are still seem to be obsessed with us, which I guess is understandable as a big chunk of Croat nationalism is built on the Serbian issue, but hey that's your 'problem'. So just a couple of quick points in response :


Oh yes,I saw that you're not here for troll,in this teme who named "Books on croatian language" member of your nation and you turned this topic in imputation about Croats.
I didn't see any book by you or members who didn't troll here If you understand me.
Croat-Serb relations in SF don't have any improvement-it's virtual illusion. Fact is that in SF Croatian nationalists have always been banned after little discussion with serbs but it isn't case for Serbs in general.


I didn't go in your section and or impute insinuating Serbs so,really difficult is for known who have problems. My mission here is Croatian section is write about Croatian possition today in first,but also told people in history how have been possition of Croats,but members of your nation obstructing all Croatian sub-forum.
If you told about Croatian nationalism and serbian question within this,don't accidentally told about Serbian nationalism and Nacertanije which touch Croatian question.





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. Serb land of Bosnia. http://cafehome.tripod.com/serbdom-eng.htm all the historic documents spell it out clearly, but hey believe what you want.
Nice try. You this link manipulate with Bosnia int he middle. Kotromanich are serbian? Which religion have been first Kotromanich and Matej Ninoslav? On your logic,Starcevich is half-serbian because his mother is Orthodox Christian,so know I just ask your this question.
Also this link is SERBdom-eng-how interesting that you don't put me one hiystoric map who isn't from ridicolous wikipedia,wikimedia etc who can show when Bosnia have been serbian state. You know what is amazing? Amazing is that state of Serbia don't exist int his map whatever years you can find,and you speak about serbian lands. Ah,yes Raska,Bosnia maybe Croatia is all serbian lands but but Serbs have been scare that they call themselves state Serbia.



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I hope you now see the utter stupidity of groups like Blaz Kraljevic's HOS when in 1992they allied with Izetbegovic regime thinking that it would get Croats a border on the river Drina. Didn't quite work out as planned did it? Of course more saner Croats like Mate Boban's people and HVO in central Bosnia even cooperated with Bosnian Serbs during 93-94, with many of your civilians and fighters being saved by the BSA from certain death at the hands of your formeer muslim allies, the 'flowers'.
You know who is Blaž Kraljević,now I am impress. Mate Boban have been old communist,to compare with Kraljević,they have been arested by Australian police because they should be 20. member of Bugojan group who attack Yugoslavia in 20.june 1972. I think that I said all. And Bobans army killed Kraljević because he don't want for division Bosnia with Serbs.

Who are been HOs army people can see here

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Serbs and Croats were present in Dalmatia but they didn't have ethnic states in those times. In history of Dalmatia region it has always been a Roman Venetian sphere of influence with feuding coastal city states. BTW historically during Roman times the province of Dalmatia was much larger than todays as it stretched from Istra to what is present day Alabania. What is referred to today as Dalmatia is much smaller. Dalamtia also has a common more Med culture which has nothing to do with other parts of todays Croatia, for instance what on earth does Slavonia have in common with Dalmatia or Istra?
Let me ask you a question. What do you think about this map?
Why do majority of Croats speak Serbian stokavaian? Present-day division between Shtokavian (ethnic Serb) and Chakavian-Kajkavian (Croat) language. If you can't stand Serbs so much then you may want to stop using our language.

Well,I think that you know that croatian provinces had many foregin impact,all Croats provinces have diference cultural inheritance but this is wealth of culture in general.
What I think about this map? I think that ideology of Illiryanism and later Slavism created today offical Croatian language,I also think that we speak Slavic language in genral but Croatian and Serbian are two diffrent languages. Kajkavian,Chakavian and Stokavian are wealth of Croatian language who make one language-croatian.



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If we are talking about Middle Ages it was the Venice Republic. Tell me are you going to also claim Roman and Venetian history as your own? All the buildings and architecture?
What kind of warriors Italians are Im not getting into but Pavelic understood that Mussolini was boss so he had to shut up and not make a big deal about the coast. He also had to let Hungarians take Baranjna region in the north east which commies later gave to socialist Croatia.
When Italy was already turning.
Dalmatia would never have been part of a future Croat state had Germany and Italy won WW2. What, Hitler was going to take the side of Pavelic over an issue which would infuriate his bigger ally the Italians, please. Tell me why didn't Tito punish Croats and take Dalmatia away from them like he took Kosovo and Vojvodina away from Serbia? Why did he also add Hungarian controlled Baranja to Croatia?
Tito's partizans fully 'liberated' Dalmatia and incoroporated it into SFR Croatia, that is fact. Due to this local Serbian chetniks had to flee the country same as local Italian population (collaborators with so called occupier), I think you know that some of them ended up living in the US.
hehe Hrvatska Kifla, yeah well Serbs were willing to fix that shape for you but due to foreign factors beyond our control it didn't quite pan out.
When we speak about Middle Ages it was Roman teritory. Roman history is also our history because Rome have been multitacional Empire. Croats and Venecians have many conflict because of Dalmatia but Dalmatia have been Croatian land,and today nobody don't know nation who call Venecia,so I don't what is Venecian.
Buildings and arhitecture build people who lived in this areas which called as Romans for example but I explain who are Romans. You don't know that Pavelic is lawyer and great diplomat and he told that he will be Italians drown in sea when situation will be better,also he attacked Italians 43. and Dalmatia have been under Croatia between 43.-45. You know that Tito created Bosnia within Croatia and Serbs get authonomus provinces on Vojvodina and Kosovo . So Serbs get more then Croats for Titos merits. Dalmatia liberated Pavelic,not Tito. And when we speak about funny oblic Republic of Croatia we can easy see that Bosnia is like puzzle who missing she.

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You are very lucky as you managed to do, with foreign help, to Croatian Serbs what Serbs got bombed for allegedly 'doing' to Serbian shiptars. If only they had treated us like they treated you, but unfortunately we were not Clinton's and NATOs junkyard dogs, see deceased jew criminal Richard Holbrook for further info.
We don't have JNA and Croatia don't have been in NATO pact in this time about we speak as Serbs have been in JNA,and also Serbs don't have embargo on wepon as Croats have. Who attacked Ban's Place? JNA ! What is that?Poor Serbs-no doubt.




Continue of my answers will be,I don't have time know,let me finish my answers for you and then you will write.

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Oh yes,I saw that you're not here for troll,in this teme who named "Books on croatian language" member of your nation and you turned this topic in imputation about Croats.
I didn't see any book by you or members who didn't troll here If you understand me.
Croat-Serb relations in SF don't have any improvement-it's virtual illusion. Fact is that in SF Croatian nationalists have always been banned after little discussion with serbs but it isn't case for Serbs in general.

I didn't go in your section and or impute insinuating Serbs so,really difficult is for known who have problems. My mission here is Croatian section is write about Croatian possition today in first,but also told people in history how have been possition of Croats,but members of your nation obstructing all Croatian sub-forum.
If you told about Croatian nationalism and serbian question within this,don't accidentally told about Serbian nationalism and Nacertanije which touch Croatian question.


Don't blame me for actions of some members who can't control themselves and enjoy trolling. I have been very reserved here and am holding my tongue, not saying what I could, all in the name of at least some semblance of European and White if not Slavic unity. You have denied very existence of Serbian nationhood on all Serbian lands just ignoring the evidence even though a chunk of your Croatian nation is made up of forcibly converted Serbs.

Just during WW2 you were turning Serbs into Croats by forcibly mass converting them to Catholicism during ustashe regime in NDH

Slavonia


Bosnia



What about Croat population of Hercegovina many of who have Serbian ancestors? One of my former friends was a Croat from west Mostar and he told to me his grandmother was Serbian but that he could never say that in front of ustashe, this is typical, then come younger generations who assimilate into your national korpus and you have fierce Croats.


Well that's your opinion, I don't fully agree as the situation has improved since about five years ago or so when it was just total war between Serb-Croat mmbers. There are quite a few Croat WN members there who are intelligent and not completely obsessed with Serbs like you.




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Nice try. You this link manipulate with Bosnia int he middle. Kotromanich are serbian? Which religion have been first Kotromanich and Matej Ninoslav? On your logic,Starcevich is half-serbian because his mother is Orthodox Christian,so know I just ask your this question.
Also this link is SERBdom-eng-how interesting that you don't put me one hiystoric map who isn't from ridicolous wikipedia,wikimedia etc who can show when Bosnia have been serbian state. You know what is amazing? Amazing is that state of Serbia don't exist int his map whatever years you can find,and you speak about serbian lands. Ah,yes Raska,Bosnia maybe Croatia is all serbian lands but but Serbs have been scare that they call themselves state Serbia.
Ok then what nationality was Starcevic's mother if not Serbian? Kotromanic Dynasty was Serbian correct. In Bosnia at the time there were only mostly Serbs and Vlachs. Do you know about Catholic Serbs, of course they must all be Croats right? In earlier times Bosnia was only existing as past of Raska under rule of Serb knez Caslav. Where were Croats during the time of knez Viseslav 768–814 who united the various Serbian tribes? In Bosnia why did Ban Ninoslav call his subjest Serbs (Srblji)?


Časlav of Serbia

Časlav Klonimirović or Časlav of Serbia (Serbian: Часлав Клонимировић, Greek: Τσασλάβο[a] ; c. 890s – 960) was Prince of the Serbs from c. 933 until his death in 960. He significantly expanded the Serbian Principality when he managed to unite several Slavic tribes, stretching his realm over the shores of the Adriatic Sea, the Sava river and the Morava valley. He successfully fought off the Magyars, who had crossed the Carpathians and ravaged Central Europe, when they invaded Bosnia. Časlav is remembered, alongside his predecessor Vlastimir, as founders of Serbia in the Middle Ages.


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Кнежевина/Srpska Kneževina) was an early medieval state of the Serbs ruled by the Vlastimirović dynasty, that existed from ca 768 to 969 in Southeastern Europe. It was established through a unification of several provincial chiefs under the supreme rule of a certain Višeslav, the first known Serbian ruler by name (fl. 768–814). In 822, the Serbs were said to rule the "greater part of Dalmatia", and at the same time the Bulgars had taken the lands to the east, preparing to conquer Serbia. Vlastimir of Serbia defeated the Bulgar army in a three-year-war (839–842), and the two powers lived in peace for some decades





Nemanjić dynasty

The Nemanjić (pronounced [nɛ̌maɲitɕ], Serbian: pl. Немањићи, Nemanjići) was the most important dynasty of Serbia in the Middle Ages, and one of the most important in Southeastern Europe. The royal house produced eleven Serbian monarchs between 1166 and 1371. Its progenitor was Stephen Nemanja, who descended from a cadet line of the Vukanović dynasty (1101–1166). After Stephen (Stefan) Nemanja, all monarchs used Stefan as a personal name, a tradition adopted for the royal pretensions. The monarchs began as Grand Princes, and with the crowning of Stephen II in 1217, the realm was promoted to a Kingdom, and the Serbian Church was established. In 1346, Stephen Uroš IV Dušan was crowned Emperor of the Serbs and Greeks [and Albanians and Bulgarians], and the Archbishopric of Serbia was elevated to a Patriarchate




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You know who is Blaž Kraljević,now I am impress. Mate Boban have been old communist,to compare with Kraljević,they have been arested by Australian police because they should be 20. member of Bugojan group who attack Yugoslavia in 20.june 1972. I think that I said all. And Bobans army killed Kraljević because he don't want for division Bosnia with Serbs.
I am gald that Blaz Kraljevic and his people got what they deserved. He came to kill Serbs and was killed not by them but by his own Croats, poetic justice.

So what if they were former commies. Who wasn't? Tudjman? Bobetko? All of your leadership were former commies who later bacame nationalists, I dont see a big deal.

You should show some respect as Mate Boban Dario Kordic and Jadranko Prlic built the Croatian Republic of Herceg Bosnia, this republic would have cooperated with Republika Srpska but of course ZOG was against this so they destroyed the intelligent Croat leadership even sending Jadranko Prlic to the Hague and sentencing him to 25 years for 'crimes' against muslims. You know ZOG viewed Herceg Bosna as a joint criminal enterprise almost on the level of Republika Srpska. Too bad you didn't have more Croats like Mate Boban and less like muslim lover and Izetbegovic stooge Kraljevic.

On 18 November 1991, Boban proclaimed the existence of the Croatian Community of Herzeg-Bosnia, as a separate "political, cultural, economic and territorial whole", on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina. This was in line with Karađorđevo agreement between Croatian president Franjo Tuđman and Serbian president Slobodan Milošević (then of Yugoslavia) to divide Bosnia and Herzegovina between Croatia and Serbia.[7]


About Mate Boban, the Croat who refused go along with ZOG's designs in the region

Boban met with Bosnian Serb president Radovan Karadžić during May 1992 in Graz, Austria where they agreed on mutual cooperation in the division of Bosnia and Herzegovina that became known as the Graz agreement (the pair met again on 2 September 1993 in Montenegro in order to coordinate their actions after the Bosniaks rejected the Vance-Owen peace plan). Boban said "the Serbs are our brothers in Christ, but the Muslims are nothing to us, apart from the fact that for hundreds of years they raped our mothers and sisters."[8]

The deal called for the Serbs to aid the Croats in defeating the Bosniaks and carving a piece of Bosnia and Herzegovina and incorporating it into Croatia. Tensions mounted from June 1992 until early 1993. After many provocations and hostile acts by Croats,[6] open warfare broke out in April 1993 between Croats and Bosniaks. The Croat militia, the HVO, attacked and expelled Bosniaks all over central and southern Bosnia and Herzegovina, all the while they committed many atrocities against civilians. Examples of this include the massacres in Stupni Do and Ahmići. The US forced a peace treaty, known as the Washington Accords, which was signed in March 1994. Subsequently Pope John Paul II and the US government forced the ouster of Boban.

Boban ordered the assassination of Bosnian-Herzegovinian Croats who opposed his plans.[1] The most well known were Stjepan Kljuić, Blaž Kraljević and Tomislav Dretar. Kraljević was lured to a meeting on 9 August 1992 and was assassinated along with eight of his deputies. Dretar survived assassination attempts but was isolated in the Bihać enclave throughout the war and as such could not oppose Boban effectively. Stjepan Kljuić remained opposed to Boban for the duration of the war.




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Who are been HOs army people can see here Croatian Right Gets Tough - HOS, 1991 - YouTube
I know very well who HOS were and the clown Dobroslav Paraga. That report is a joke. Serbs were not even interested in taking Osijek. Of course I can't like Tudjman but he was a real and serious leader when compared to these clowns.


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Well,I think that you know that croatian provinces had many foregin impact,all Croats provinces have diference cultural inheritance but this is wealth of culture in general.
And what about Serbian cultural inheritence?


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What I think about this map? I think that ideology of Illiryanism and later Slavism created today offical Croatian language,I also think that we speak Slavic language in genral but Croatian and Serbian are two diffrent languages. Kajkavian,Chakavian and Stokavian are wealth of Croatian language who make one language-croatian.
Serbian and Croatian are different languages? Unbelievable what further is there to discuss when you can say this? The map I posted map clearly shows Serbian speaking areas.

Let me ask you a simple question, when Serbs and Croats talk to each other what language are they using? rep point for correct answer


Anyway I don't have the time nor interest for further corespondence with you, we will never agree on ANYTHING, not even the minimal when it comes to fighting ZOG, as you still support the centralized American/EU project of Bosnia under muslims, so with those words I bid you farewell and enjoy your forum.
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Just to let you know, I am not a Chetnik nor do I sympathize with Anglophile Draza's faction.

Italians 'fascists' and Chetniks cooperated with the partisans? lol Chetniks were fighting partisans even more than they were fighting ustashe. Are you even aware of the bloody civil war waged in Serbia between chetniks and partizans, between Nedic's SDK and commies?

As for the pro Yugoslav Serbian king, he done more damage to Serbs than to anyone else. Serbs should have killed him.


Itallyans,Partisans and Chetnicks cooperated for destroy of Croatia and your Chetnicks have bee nin cooperate wirh Partisans in first because they have common enemy-Croatian military. You Freemason king allowed regular Chetnicks formation within Yugoslavia,and Croats didn't have legal military formation int his time,this Yugoslavia is award of you for all what members of your nation do for globalists. Jews created ww1 and member of your nation assisted for them,and for award they put Serbs that will main in Yugoslavia



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I was referring to the general area where they migrated from. White Serbia and White Croatia.
Sorry,but I cant find White Serbia on thi maps http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/index.html can you help me?



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Sorry but I just don't view Croats as a serious and solid state forming nation. If we are so inferior to you why did you accept our pathetic king ? Why was Belgrade your capital? Why did you demand unification? And dont tell me you didn't. Maybe small sector of Croats didn't but all of Croat leaders at the time were in favour of union as was majority of population. Serbian liberators entering Zagreb 1918, being greeted by Croat 'brothers'.
Serbian army gave you statehood and status as a real political factor in kingodom of SHS.
You see I am of the view that this was a catastrophic mistake on part of foolish christard Serbs, we should have never liberated Zagreb or any area past the Karlobag-Karlovac-Virovitica line. We lost such a huge chunk of our population in Balkans wars for liberation and WW1 that to throw it all away on some horrible multi ethnic Yugoslav project instead of a strong centralized ethnic Serbian state was insanity not seen anywhere in history.

Who accepted your king? Croats have been ilegal entered in Kingdom of Sersbs,Croats and Slovenians which is in 1929. Yugoslavia as today in EU. Only Clean Party of Rights who changed name in Croatian Party of Rights have been for Croatia and Croatian leader Stjepan Radic also warning on unification and he have been killed by serbian regime-I spell you short cronology. All this ceremony int he end of ww1 have been just as preparation for unifications with serbs king who have been Freemason and who gived Serbs all privilegy and Croats must be deleted,but Ustashas and all Croatian people defeating your regime in 10 April 1941. You can manipulate people here but not me.

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I prefer the term liberated, but hey whatever floats your boat.

Can you tell me why didn't the entire Croat population come out onto the streets and demand independence right then?
Because more Croats would be kill by your regime. Maybe regime of your Freemason king should kill more Croats in your mind. Croats also in this time don't have many wepon because we lost ww1 1918. as we don't have many wepon 1991. but we won in two times. In first victory son of your king went in his boss Freemasons in London and in second you continued live in Yugoslavia who created Freemason two time.
All events which have been in Croatia between 41.-45. have been because teror of your regime. How Radic provoke Serbs in Belgrade? Are Croats also provoked Serbs in Zagreb 5 december 1918.?

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I agree fully with the bolded.

Or your nation in NATO prepared Operation Storm and reducing number of Serbs in Croatia from 18% in 1990 to under 2% in 1995.

Our king was an Anglophile muliculturalist Yugoslavian piece of shit so i don't see how his rule benefited us in any way.
Only what I can say about this that Croatia didn't be in NATO pact on this time,and also that Croatia had embargo with weapon when war started. However globalists gave you Republic of Serbia within bosnia.





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Why how did I guess, you also deny Serbdom of Montenegro. Of course you do as your ustasha ideology classes them as Crveni Hrvati (Red Croats) Slovenes are also classed as Alpski Hrvati (Alpine Croats) Bosnian Serbs as orthodox Croats and Vlachs....
I don't have Ustasha ideology but you can call me shympatizer of Ustashas. My ideology is Croatian national socialism and I am only concentrate on this ideology.




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Nah, how about just putting the catholic chauvinism and Serbophobia on hold for the time being and working together in Bosnia to destroy this artificial muslim led mini Yugoslavia monstrosity that ZOG has created.
Well,you must look that Bosnia and your nation will be in EU one day. I think that Bosnia is heart of Croatia as you think that Kosovo is heart of Serbia.




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Why such humble minimal demands? You so deserve more. What about Sandzak Montenegro and the 'Alpine Croats'?
I just look for Bosnia and East Srijem,Boka Kotorska and this is all.



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West of Drina was occupied by AU east by Ottomans. Drina is the (kichma) backbone of the Serbian nation not a border as you and our democratic friends in the International Community would like it to be.
Drina is border of East and West,and this river have been border of West and East Roman Empire. Drina is also real border between Croatia and Serbia.

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See the difference between me and you is that I'm not a chauvinist and I wish Bosnian Croats to have their own state and be free from muslim/EU domination, you on the other hand in your hatred and greed would rather sacrifice Bosnia's remaining Croats to muslims just if it means extinguishing Republika Srpska. Not a good position to take my friend, especially in the current climate.
Yes, you are good and I am really thankful because your opinion is that Croat must allow another Krajina within Croatia-Republic of Serbia within Bosnia. Bolues ready?





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Oh boy JNA again, if only that were a Serbian army. Anyway they were withdrawn fully from Croatia by end of 91 beginning of 92, and from Bosnia later that same year. So basically since then you and your muslims allies only had local Serbian peasants to deal with, and it still took years, 24-7 media campaign, sanctions, internationalization, Milosevic's blockade and foreign bombs to achieve the results. BTW when they bomb you then talk to me
When you explain people here attack on Ban's Palace and embergo on weapon both when war started then you can talk to me.






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You have no idea what you are talking about. Read first post from unfortunately former user Sorab14 about the origins of name Srbin.
You tought me about Starcevic so write Starcevich "Name of Serb" and you will know what they used name Slavoserbi.

http://books.google.hr/books?id=AxhX...page&q&f=false


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So wasn't your hero Starcevic half Serbian? Are you denying it? heheh a stari Pravas like you and you 'don't know' about Frank's ideology in relation to Serbs, ok no problem.
Yeas,all Orthodox all Serbs,are Kotromanics Croats because first Kotromanic have been Chatolic?




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Again with this nonsense about the rotten at its internal core ethnically diverse army being 'ours'. The federal, anti nationalist ,political, heavily indocrinated in to the yugo multi kult spirit of Brotherhood and Unity, JNA (Yugolsav People's Army) disintegrated, other parts of it were withdrawn to Serbia. You guys got plenty of weapons too, for example entire Varazdinski Korpus as did Bosnian muslims in areas where barracks arms dumps and heavy weapons were on their territory. Who got the spoils depended on where the stuff was located, and it was spread out all over Bosnia and Croatia, also to mention all the covert arms shipments that NATO and the Islamic world were pumping into the area for you and the muslims through the ports like Split and airfield in Tuzla, so I don't understand why you constantly cite this as an issue, of course I do as it is an attempt to present to the world that poor democratic victims were unarmed and defenceless in the face of such 'aggression'.
Facts is that Croats procured weapons on smuggling,and you have 3. army in Europe behind you. And you are so coward that you attack someone who had not many weapons but when we have weapons and you losed war,all world is guilty.


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Yes, if one has closely studied the unfolding events duringv that period and he is fair and impartial there is absolutely no denying that Storm was a 100% American and NATO attack on politically militarily economically isolated disamred and demoralized peasants of the RSK. You of course are free to celebrate it as a crowing achievement in your nation's short history. Yes, if one has closely studied the unfolding events duringv that period and he is fair and impartial there is absolutely no denying that Storm was a 100% American and NATO attack on politically militarily economically isolated disamred and demoralized peasants of the RSK. You of course are free to celebrate it as a crowing achievement in your nation's short history.
Why this globalists puted Croats embargo on weapon? We will celebrate Storm always-don't worry. Croatia didn't been in NATO and this globalists stopped our army when they went in Bosnia and gave you Republic of Serbia within Bosnia and you sell story that globalists work against Republic of Serbia within Bosnia.


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Don't blame me for actions of some members who can't control themselves and enjoy trolling. I have been very reserved here and am holding my tongue, not saying what I could, all in the name of at least some semblance of European and White if not Slavic unity. You have denied very existence of Serbian nationhood on all Serbian lands just ignoring the evidence even though a chunk of your Croatian nation is made up of forcibly converted Serbs.
Just during WW2 you were turning Serbs into Croats by forcibly mass converting them to Catholicism during ustashe regime in NDH
What about Croat population of Hercegovina many of who have Serbian ancestors? One of my former friends was a Croat from west Mostar and he told to me his grandmother was Serbian but that he could never say that in front of ustashe, this is typical, then come younger generations who assimilate into your national korpus and you have fierce Croats.
How many todays lands Serbs have? One,two,three or more? I can't affect about religion,people who is part of one nation know why is they part of one nation. I just told that I can't fin Serbian when Tomislav have been king and this is all,and you scored themselves in this conversation. And you always think that I and someone is obssesed with you-member of heavenly nation.










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Ok then what nationality was Starcevic's mother if not Serbian? Kotromanic Dynasty was Serbian correct. In Bosnia at the time there were only mostly Serbs and Vlachs. Do you know about Catholic Serbs, of course they must all be Croats right? In earlier times Bosnia was only existing as past of Raska under rule of Serb knez Caslav. Where were Croats during the time of knez Viseslav 768–814 who united the various Serbian tribes? In Bosnia why did Ban Ninoslav call his subjest Serbs (Srblji)?
Starcevic mother have been Orthodox Christian so If she is Serbian,Kotromanic is Croat because first Kotromanic have been Chatilic Chriatian-I just use your logic.
Do you have census of people in Bosnia in middle ages? How many Serbian and Vlach have been in Bosnia,how many Croats?
Bosnia have never been serbian state whatever maps you look on this link,but Croatian is.
http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/index.html

Wikipedia is your good friend-best scoure for proof o anything.



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I am gald that Blaz Kraljevic and his people got what they deserved. He came to kill Serbs and was killed not by them but by his own Croats, poetic justice.
How many comunist killers you support?

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So what if they were former commies. Who wasn't? Tudjman? Bobetko? All of your leadership were former commies who later bacame nationalists, I dont see a big deal.
Your heroes are commies-nice friends I also don't see a big deal.




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I know very well who HOS were and the clown Dobroslav Paraga. That report is a joke. Serbs were not even interested in taking Osijek. Of course I can't like Tudjman but he was a real and serious leader when compared to these clowns.
When Serbian said that Tudjman is great leader,he also must be this. Clowns is all anticommunist on your opinion.




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And what about Serbian cultural inheritence?
I didn't speak about Serbs about cultural inheritance,so you must know about this what about.



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Serbian and Croatian are different languages? Unbelievable what further is there to discuss when you can say this? The map I posted map clearly shows Serbian speaking areas.
Let me ask you a simple question, when Serbs and Croats talk to each other what language are they using? rep point for correct answer
Yes, croatian and serbian is diffrent languages,in history communists created serbo-croatian language so maybe you are confused because of this.
You didn't show serbian speaking areay,but you shov areas when people speak stokavian what is one of three croatian dialect. Well If you don't know which language using Croats and Serbs you are really confused about language and I can't help you.


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Anyway I don't have the time nor interest for further corespondence with you, we will never agree on ANYTHING, not even the minimal when it comes to fighting ZOG, as you still support the centralized American/EU project of Bosnia under muslims, so with those words I bid you farewell and enjoy your forum.
Fact is that you support project of American/EU because you get entity Republic of Serbia by same of this players,so I can't support this policy as also I can't support commies borders.

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Rudolf Horvat-Povijest Hrvatske

http://www.4shared.com/office/PXiWiR...t_Hrvatsk.html

Ante Starčević-Bi li k Slavstvu ili ka Hrvatstvu

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76706172/A...i-ka-Hrvatstvu

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Ante Starčević-Nekolike uspomene

http://books.google.hr/books?id=TfID...page&q&f=false

Ante Pavelić-Strahote zabluda

http://www.scribd.com/doc/215182882/...rahote-Zabluda


Ante Pavelić-Hrvatsko pitanje

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Dietrich Eckart-Boljševizam od Mojsija do Lenjina

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Adolf Hitler-Mein Kampf

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Benito Mussolini-Doktrina fašizma

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t573128/

Stjepan Radić-Židovstvo kao negativni element kulture

http://www.hazud.ch/2011/06/stjepan-...ement-kulture/

Ante Starčević-Ime Serb (za sve oni koji mu predbacuju da je u riječi "slavoserb" vidio jedan narod,ta riječ u kontekstu njegovih djela/govora ujedno postala "dokaz" za Starčevićevu mržnju prema opet jednom narodu)

http://it.scribd.com/doc/41184419/An...cevic-Ime-Serb

Ante Starčević-Pasmina slavoserbska po Hervatskoj ( prvo poglavlje svakako)

http://it.scribd.com/doc/14961530/An...a-Po-Hrvatskoj

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Marko Francišković-Hrvatska knjiga opstanka




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Ante Starčević-Na čemu smo + ostalo (nešto već navedeno)

http://books.google.hr/books?id=AxhX...page&q&f=false

Starčević kad gleda opću političku situaciju toga doba i ide metodom "cilj opravdava sredstvo" ili bolje rečeno "neprijatelj mojeg neprijatelja je moj prijatelj". Iako svjestan sudbine "malih" naroda ostaje dosljedan :

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Dakle,kada nastanu događaji koji nemogu izostati,kad se praktičnost pokaže opsenom,umišljena jakost i gospodarstvo herdjom,ova stranka branivša samo svoju čast,gledajuć da Hervati negube ništa,a da metafizičke moći propadaju sa svojim delomn,-ova će stranka stranka mirno moći šaljivu izreku na preozbiljnu stvar uporaviti "Tu I'as voulu, Georges Dandin"*
Izvor: 7. poglavlje str. 24 (ili zadnja rečenica na kraju)

* Tu I'as voulu, Georges Dandin-kao što ste htjeli,Georges Dandin (google prevoditelj na francuski)

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Ante Pavelić-Liepa plavka

Ne trebaju nam "turnerovi dnevnici" kad imamo "liepu plavku" napisanu iz zatvora u Torinu za vrijeme Mussolinija. Recenziju nemam za koga pisati no ona bi mogla privući i žensko čitateljstvo jer se radi romantičnoj drami kroz prizmu borbe za Hrvatsku. Ako ljudi dođu ovdje ili makar vide priloženu literaturu,ovo im preporučujem da si obavezno pročitaju.

Izdvojeno:

Nisu dugi u tamnici danci
Al su teški okovi i lanci,
Što hrvatski narod su sapeli
Kako su to dušmani željeli.

Nu,proći će od tamnice danci,
Popucat će okovi i lanci,
A Hrvatska će slobodna biti !



Uglavnom,plavka shvaća da joj je onaj kojeg voli Ustaša ,vidi scene po Zagrebu di se tisuće Hrvata zatvara,maltretira i ubija,toga joj je dosta,stavlja ruku na pištolj i nož i polaže ustašku prisegu na smrt između dviju gorućih svijeća u polumračnoj sobi pred trojicom Ustaša ispred. Dok joj je jedan govorio prisegu i gledao nju,druga dvojica su samo gledala nož,pištolj i njezinu ruku na njima jer za njih ona "ne postoji" dok ne obavi zakletvu. Očigledno da je to napravila zato da vidi Dulibića u prvom redu. Nakon zakletve pružaju joj sva trojica ruku i nadjenu joj ime Tuga. Svako je imao svoje lažno ime,recimo njezina simpatija je imala ime Pribiša (Dulibić). Prije toga Ustaše organiziraju bombaški napad na režimski objekt u Zagrebu i grupiraju se na Velebitu di je pojačan oprez od jugoslavenskog režima jer se počelo pucati (Velebitski ustanak) i šire se glasine o naoružanim Ustašama a i Dulibića su zatvorili u Beču di se i upoznao sa plavkom osumnjičenog da su preko njega išli eksplozivi . Plavka igra ulogu špijunke u jednom švicarskom hotelu di joj se udvara nekakav jugoslavenski režimski pripadnik od kojeg je trebala saznati neke informacije ali shvati da on ne može omesti daljnje akcije nakon saznanja,pa zatim ide dalje u Francusku i ugleda Dulibića koji joj igra ulogu lažnog muža no oboje nisu znali ništa prije toga o tome pa su bili sretni kaj su se našli nakon dvije godine. Ubrzo se rastaju nakon šetnje po Marseju jer su zadaci tekli dalje i dogovori se s Dulibićem (Dulibić je ujedno bio i najvjerojatnije glavni ili jedan od značajnih rukovodioca atentata na Karađorđevića.) da budu se našli u Genovi te joj kaže da što prije krene. Nju je baš zanimalo što će se dogoditi i nije odma krenula,vidjela je da se dešava nekakav skup di je čula pucnjeve koji su ubili Karađorđevića i prolaznici su počeli vikati da je ubijen kralj,ona uzme auto i u panici bježi preko granice a tokom vožnje su joj se razni prizori koje je proživjela motali po glavi i sve je jače dodavala gas da bi zbog toga poginula,sletjela je s ceste u more na putu za praobrod u Južnu Ameriku,ja zaključujem da je mrtva . Ovo je zapravo glupo prepričavanje jer je skraćeno do maksimuma i ima puno praznina,knjigu baš treba pročitati jer ima neku posebnu energiju u sebi. Važno je napomenuti to da su Ustaše imali na strateškim mjestima svoje infiltratore i radili budale od jugoslavenskog režima.



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Stjepan Radić-Frankova politička smrt

http://nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/kro-radic_frank.zip

Sukob Radića i Franka.
 
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Tomislav Sunić-Europska nova desnica

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Ante Starčević-Jubileji

Dostupno u hrvatskim knjižnicama ali bi se sa ovime mogli iznenaditi Srbi. Starčević otvoreno ima pro-Ruske stavove sa poganštinom kao religijom te ističe kako je snaga Ruskog Carstva u tome što se ne drže kršćanskih načela. Govori kako je Kršćanstvo kroz povijest bilo samo alat za manipulaciju masama u političke svrhe. Takav primjer vidimo najbolje kod Franca koji je uspio infiltrirati svoju filozofiju unutar Katoličke Crkve te ju nastojao odvojiti od Vatikana.

Za Starčevića,imati nacionalnu Crkvu poput pravoslavaca je puno bolje od internacionalizma. U ranijim tekstovima Starčević je isto tako bio svjestan uloge Kršćanstva u Rimu kao i toga da Hrvati nisu olako prihvatili isto unutar puka što je i razlog zašto stoljećima nisu imali svojeg kralja i državu. Elita je razumjela koliko religija spada u sferu najjačeg oružja za ovladavanje masama.

Note: I appeal on moderator if he can clean all discussion here who are not part of croatian literature

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