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A defiant Prince Charles will continue to express his forthright views to ministers even after he becomes King, aides said yesterday.

The heir to throne is said to be unrepentant about the furore sparked by the Government’s decision to overrule a High Court decision to allow 27 ‘particularly frank’ letters written to ministers in the last Labour government to be revealed.

On Tuesday, the Attorney General announced that the prince’s memos must be kept secret because their contents would ‘seriously damage’ his future role as monarch.

Courtiers told the Mail last night that it is the prince’s ‘right and absolute duty’ to correspond with politicians over issues that affect his country and future subjects.

And sources close to the prince made clear that Charles will continue to air his opinions, even during his private meetings with the Prime Minister after he accedes to the throne.

'The Prince of Wales absolutely sees it as his duty to make his views known to ministers,’ they said. ‘He is a man of passionate belief and will always strive to make his views clear.’

As a self-confessed ‘interfering busybody’, Charles has become renowned for expressing his strong views on a huge variety of issues ranging from youth opportunity to architecture and the environment.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219343/Aides-defiant-Charles-insist-duty-bombard-ministers-political-views.html

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His favourite government minister of the moment is Greg Barker, whose responsibilities at the Department of Energy include the divisive issue of climate change. His favourite current topic: the importance of green and renewable energy.

The Prince of Wales’s pen, scratching away in black ink, is as busy as ever. At peak periods, his passionate words have poured out at the rate of 1,000 letters a year to ministers and other public figures.

Until now, it has certainly never occurred to him that his one-man letter-writing factory might have to shut down because of the risk of sacrificing the crucial ‘political neutrality’ of his future role as king.


This is the reason put forward by Attorney General Dominic Grieve for overturning a decision of the High Court to allow the contents of 27 letters penned to ministers more than eight years ago to be made public.

Yesterday friends ridiculed the notion that Prince Charles, just a month short of his 64th birthday, should start keeping his opinions to himself. They know he’ll never do it.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219320/Firing-1-000-letters-year-obsession-Disgusted-Highgrove.html

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On Tuesday, the Attorney General, Dominic Grieve, ruled that the Prince of Wales’s letters to Labour ministers must be kept secret despite an earlier decision by three judges that they should be made public.

According to Mr Grieve, the publication of 27 letters written between 2004 and 2005 might ‘seriously damage’ his future role as king, because they were ‘in many cases particularly frank’ and would have ‘potentially undermined [Prince Charles’s] position of political neutrality’.

Not for the first time, Mr Grieve has clearly served the cause of secrecy so dear to his heart. But if he thinks that he has defended the interests of the monarchy, he should reflect again. He has in effect removed the Prince from the frying pan, where he was enduring only moderate heat, and tossed him directly into the roaring fire.


The clever thing for him to have said would have been that Prince Charles wrote these letters in confidence and they should therefore remain private. He might even have implied that they were relatively insignificant and even rather boring.

Instead, he has painted a picture of an opinionated Prince expressing tendentious views which, were they to come to light, might shock some people and embarrass the monarchy. Our natural response is to want to know exactly what Prince Charles wrote.

In effect, Mr Grieve has — presumably inadvertently — made the case for publishing the letters. For if they are so seismic, if they really might divide opinion and call into question his fitness to be King, surely we, as his future subjects, have a right to know their contents.


Previously, I had thought Mr Grieve a somewhat anachronistic figure who might have strayed out of a Dickens novel. One imagines that a clap on his shoulder would release clouds of dust. Until now, though, I had thought him intelligent. Now I am not so sure — unless he was deliberately trying to undermine the Prince.

As it happens, I probably agree with much of what the heir to the throne believes about such issues as modern architecture, organic food and fox hunting. But that is not the point. If he writes opinionated letters to government ministers trying to get them to change their minds, he should not expect those letters to stay private.

As long as they remain so, people are bound to suspect that he may have covertly influenced, and even altered, government policy, which is not what the Prince of Wales is supposed to do under our constitutional arrangements. Mr Grieve’s lurid characterisation of these letters increases one’s suspicions that this may be precisely what he has done.

Although I may often agree with the Prince, I don’t think it wise for him to try to influence ministers in this way. The monarchy will survive and prosper as long as it remains above politics. Once it becomes opinionated it becomes divisive, and when it becomes divisive it will attract criticism and create enemies.

The Queen knows this. We have little idea what she thinks about anything, and can only guess. The BBC’s Frank Gardner recently let slip that Her Majesty had expressed surprise that the radical Islamist Abu Hamza had not been deported. (He finally has been.) But this was hardly a divisive point of view, and in any case she did not want us to know about it.

As an intelligent man who is perhaps sometimes a little underemployed, the Prince of Wales operates on very different principles. He is forever sticking his oar in publicly or privately. For example, he worked behind the scenes to scupper a £3 billion development of Chelsea barracks in London, funded by the Qataris.

When giving vent to his views, he tends to use colourful language. In extracts of his diaries published by the Mail on Sunday in 2006, he amusingly described Chinese officials as ‘appalling old waxworks’.


By securing an injunction preventing further publication, Prince Charles established that his diaries were private property. However, I don’t believe the same can be said of his handwritten so-called ‘black spider memos’ sent to ministers with a view to bending their ears on matters of public policy.

Given a choice between being open or secretive, Dominic Grieve is apt to choose the latter. In June, he rejected calls for an inquest into the death in 2003 of Dr David Kelly, saying there was ‘overwhelming evidence’ that the government scientist had killed himself. In fact, some perfectly sane observers doubt this. In any case, doesn’t natural justice demand that there should be an inquest into Dr Kelly’s death?




Two months ago, Mr Grieve decided that the minutes of Labour Cabinet meetings in the run-up to the Iraq war should be kept secret, thereby upholding the decision the Labour government had made in its own interests. His ruling, criticised by the Information Commissioner as ‘disappointing’, confirmed his reputation as someone who is no enthusiast for open government.

Although in opposition he had championed the cause of the hacker Gary McKinnon, as Attorney General he has shown no such independence of mind, and seems to be guided by conventional Whitehall thinking. Somewhat ludicrously, he recently claimed Britain would become a ‘pariah state’ if it quit the authority of the European Court of Human Rights.In a government that is promoting secret courts and email surveillance, Mr Grieve is the embodiment of the spirit of secrecy.

Incidentally, he has invoked the 1981 Contempt of Court Act against media organisations more frequently than any other Attorney General in recent times.

So will the Prince’s letters remain secret? The Guardian newspaper, which made the original application to see copies of the letters, intends to take the Government to the High Court. Let’s hope it succeeds, and that the Attorney General’s predisposition to sweep matters under the carpet is thwarted.

By depicting the letters in such sensational terms, he has only served to emphasise why it is in the public interest for them to be published. It is no part of his duty to attempt to protect the Prince of Wales from himself.

Moreover, Mr Grieve was wholly incorrect to say that the sending of letters by the Prince was part of his ‘preparation for kingship’. Did his mother bombard ministers with argumentative missives before becoming Queen, or has she done so since? No. Where is the constitutional precedent in modern times for Prince Charles’ behaviour? There isn’t one.

The lesson of this affair — apart from the secretive proclivities of Dominic Grieve — is that Prince Charles should stop behaving like a politician who wants to change the world. Reticence and discretion are the proper preparation for kingship in a modern constitutional monarchy.

They go with the job, I’m afraid, and the sooner the Prince of Wales learns this, the better it will be for him and the monarchy. If he is outspoken, he will alienate great numbers of his future subjects.

And the person who understands this better than anyone else in the world is his mother, the Queen.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2219301/If-Charles-insists-hectoring-Ministers-views-mustnt-state-secrets.html

If Charles the "Defender of all faiths" and the encourager of plate-smashing at his son's wedding intends to be a political king then should he be king at all? The duty of the Monarch is only to "advise and warn" Ministers (though I notice the Queen managed to find a few words to say about the possible break-up of the Union so they can be political when it suits them) and Charles evidently sees his role as more than that. He's supposed to be an intelligent man and he was close to his Uncle David in the latter's later years so he will surely be aware that the role of monarch has changed from the days when their word was law and the job is really only yours for as long as the Govt. say it is. May the gods and g-ds of all the faiths he wants to defend save us all from becoming Charlies.
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Old April 18th, 2023 #2
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Temptations gift shop in Henley-on-Thames offers shoppers array of souvenirs to commemorate upcoming coronation of King Charles.


51% of respondents believe the ceremony to crown Charles and Camilla should not be paid for by the UK government.


MORE THAN HALF of British people do not want the upcoming coronation of King Charles to be funded by UK taxpayers, a new poll conducted and published today found.

The YouGov poll found 51% of respondents believe the 6 May ceremony to crown Charles and Camilla should not be paid for by the UK government. Nearly a third, 32%, said it should, while around 18% did not know.

It comes with the UK in the grip of a cost-of-living crisis and wide-ranging strikes by employees across the public and private sectors, as decades-high inflation eats away at earnings.

The situation is seen as factoring into the muted enthusiasm seen so far for the long weekend of celebrations. The government is yet to disclose how much it will all cost, with a Westminster Abbey ceremony on Saturday, 6 May and Windsor Castle concert on Sunday, 7 May among the set-piece events.

Alongside a huge security operation throughout, it is predicted to run into the tens of millions of pounds. The country will also get an extra bank holiday on Monday, 8 May, which has an additional economic cost.

The 1953 coronation of Charles’ mother, the late Queen Elizabeth II, cost £912,000 in 1953 – £20.5 million (€23.33 million) in today’s money. Meanwhile his grandfather George VI was crowned at a cost of £454,000 in 1937, which is worth £24.8 million (€28.1 million) in 2023.

‘Scrimping and scraping’


The poll of 4,246 adults found younger people – who have often been hardest hit by the cost-of-living crisis – least in favour of footing the bill for the landmark occasion. Around 62% of those aged 18 to 24 were opposed to the coronation being government-funded, while 15 percent were in favour. However, among over-65s, 43% supported taxpayers funding it, while 44% were against.

Government minister Oliver Dowden has previously insisted colleagues and the monarch were “mindful of ensuring that there is value for the taxpayer” and there will not be “lavishness or excess”. “It is a marvellous moment in our history and people would not want a dour scrimping and scraping,” Dowden told a parliamentary committee earlier this year.

But Graham Smith, chief executive of campaign group Republic, has called the coronation an “expensive pantomime” and a “slap in the face for millions of people struggling with the cost-of-living crisis”.

The total cost and breakdown of funding will likely not be available until after the 6 May event, as occurs with other royal occasions such as jubilees.

- © AFP 2023




New poll finds over half of British do not want to pay for King Charles coronation



State Media BBC always push 'Monarchism'.
Can't ever see the 'Nogs and Muzzies' supporting 'Monarchism'.
 
Old April 18th, 2023 #3
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Had immense respect for Queen Elizabeth II plus a great admiration for her husband Prince Philip who did not suffer fools at all never mind gladly. I do know from a third party that he thought his son and heir was a 'bit of a plank' Its was his airy,fairy ideas and his general wokeness before it was fashionable that annoyed his Father immensely who was a plain speaking pragmatist.

Its because of Charlie's behaviour over the last 50 years that he does not engender anything like the same level of affection or respect that was accorded ( deservedly so) to his Mother.



I cannot imagine anybody in their right mind throwing eggs or even demonstrating at a public appearance of his Mother due to the fact they would be lunched ( avoiding censorship) by the crowd before the police or security could save them. Now disrespecting the reigning monarch is treated as a minor issue.


England once spawned the globe and had their finger in a 1/4 of the world's affairs. Now they are looking to lose Ireland and who knows if Scotland will eventually follow. They build boats to rescue foreigners and put them on the public dole costing £64,000 pa, they believe in having Germans catch their fish and keep Englishman from doing so, elect a Muslim to be London's mayor and an Indian to be P M. They have free healthcare for all just so long as you want to wait a year before getting what would've been life saving cancer surgery. They arrest people for having their neighbors over during Covid and for praying silently outside of abortion centers. With all that in mind, who cares about their monarchy?
 
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Had immense respect for Queen Elizabeth II plus a great admiration for her husband Prince Philip who did not suffer fools at all never mind gladly.
They were both scum. Jew-loving scum.

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Prince Philip, who opposed Nazis and was first British royal to visit Israel, dies at 99


BY CNAAN LIPHSHIZ AND RON KAMPEAS APRIL 9, 2021 9:44 AM



Prince Philip at a ceremony in Windsor, England, July 22, 2020. (Samir Hussein/ Samir Hussein/WireImage/Getty Images)

(JTA) — Prince Philip, perhaps the closest member of the British royal family to Jews and Jewish causes, has died at 99.

Buckingham Palace announced his death on Friday. Philip, who had been married to Queen Elizabeth II for 74 years, since five years before she ascended to the throne, had been in declining health for some time.

Also known as the Duke of Edinburgh, Philip’s support for Jewish and pro-Israel causes ran deep. His mother, Princess Alice of Greece, sheltered a Jewish family during the Holocaust and is recognized as one of fewer than 30,000 “righteous among the nations” by Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust museum.

Philip’s four sisters each married German nobles, at least three of whom became Nazis. But Philip, educated in Britain, joined the allied war effort. As an adult, he showed little patience for Nazi collaborators; he was instrumental in making a pariah of his wife’s uncle Edward, who after abdicating the throne dallied with Nazi Germany.
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What Queen Elizabeth meant to a British Jew like me


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Queen Elizabeth II visits the concentration camp memorial at Bergen-Belsen in Lohheide, Germany, June 26, 2015. With her are Prince Philip and Jens-Christian Wagner, director of the memorial. (Julian Stratenschulte/Pool/Getty Images)

(JTA) — The death 0f Queen Elizabeth II after 70 years on the throne is a devastating loss for Britain, the Commonwealth and the free world. It is hard to overstate the sense of grief that will be felt at her passing, including from within the Anglo-Jewish community.

I was brought up in a typical liberal Jewish family that showed a healthy respect for the queen, and the royal family more widely. I recall marching down the Mall in London for the 60th anniversary of VE Day and catching a sight of our monarch on the steps of Buckingham Palace. Like other British Jews, I also remember hearing the prayer for the royal family which was, and is, a feature of every Shabbat service.

For Anglo-Jewry, the queen was a rock and mainstay of her nation, a constant, familiar and reassuring presence amid the turbulence of both domestic and international crises.
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She was also a friend of the Jewish community in the U.K. She met many faith leaders and gained the praise of figures such as the late Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks, who described her and the royal family as “one of the great unifying forces in Britain, a unity we need all the more, the more diverse religiously and culturally we become.” She hosted Israeli leaders in the U.K., including President Ephraim Katzir in 1976, and gave an honorary knighthood to Shimon Peres in 2008.

In 2000, she also inaugurated Britain’s first permanent memorial to the Holocaust and served as patron of the UK Holocaust Memorial Day Trust for a decade.
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I will raise you ten.

"After spending many of his 99 years as a monarchical figurehead, the reincarnated royal looks forward to another, far more productive lifetime as a viral scourge of humanity. “I expect that with any luck, I’ll be able to kill off about seven-and-a-quarter billion people,” the princely pathogen boasted. “That would be enough to meet our depopulation target, which is to leave fewer than half a billion human beings alive.”

Questioned on what it’s like to be a deadly virus, the Prince quipped: “It sure beats working!” Asked to elaborate, he explained: “As a member of the royal family, I was a destructive, parasitical entity infecting a host population. Being a virus is like being a royal, only better, because you’re so small that the paparazzi have a much harder time locating you.”

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In the past, this hatred of the king would have been unimaginable in the UK.

 
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Sorry, dude, but you posted the wrong flag. This is the real one:









 
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Do the public support the monarchy?

The argument that the UK should abolish the monarchy and become a republic remains at the fringes of mainstream political debate. The British monarchy as an institution generally retains a large degree of public support.

According to YouGov polls at the time of the Queen Elizabeth II’s 2022 platinum jubilee, 62% of Britons thought the country should continue to have a monarchy in the future (down from 67% in October 2020), with only 22% saying the country should move to having an elected head of state instead.

Support for the monarchy is strongest amongst Conservative voters (84%), and with those over 65 (77%). By comparison, only 48% of labour voters are in favour of the monarchy, with the lowest level of support being amongst those aged between 18 and 24 (33%).

Otherwise, support for the royal family remains almost identical amongst different social classes, albeit there were regional variations. In 2020, just 58% of Londoners supported the continuation of the monarchy.

The case for a constitutional monarchy


The most frequent arguments made in favour of a constitutional monarchy revolve around:

An impartial and symbolic head of state

A constitutional monarch is one who is above party politics or factional interests. The monarch is thus said to be a focus of national unity. Supporters of a constitutional monarchy stress the benefits of the head of government (the prime minister) being separate from the role as head of state.

A constitutional monarch is also able to give impartial non-political support to the work of a wide range of different types of organizations and charities that would not be possible in the same way for a political figure.

This unifying non political role of the royal family is something that spreads through the monarch’s annual Christmas Broadcast, attendance at ceremonial events like Trooping the Colour, and the dispatch of congratulatory telegrams to centenarians and couples marking their Diamond Wedding anniversary.

The Royal Family‘s Annual Report in relation to the Sovereign Grant in 2019/20 detailed how in that year, some 139,000 guests were welcomed by Queen Elizabeth II and other Members of the Royal Family at Royal Residences for events such as garden parties and investitures,

Queen Elizabeth II was said to have undertaken 296 official engagements in the year 2019/20, as part of 3,200 official engagements undertaken by members of the royal family.

A link with history

A constitutional monarch represents a constant and lasting connection to the country‘s past, with links that date back through history. The British monarch is also the Head of State of 15 other independent countries, as well as being the head of the commonwealth of 53 Nations.

A powerful global representation of Britain

The international recognition of the British monarchy, with its associated foreign tours and state visits, is said to help support the influence of Britain around the world. This is said to bring notable benefits in terms of security, influence, and trade.

The Consultancy Brand Finance has estimated that the gain in trade, resulting from the Royal Family’s ambassadorial role could be worth as much as £150m a year.

A magnet for tourism


The Royal Family are said to represent a strong draw for tourists to visit Great Britain. The Organisation Visit Britain estimated that tourism linked to royal residences such as Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, and Balmoral Castle adds up to 2.7 million visitors a year.

The consultancy Brand Finance estimated that the Royal Family drew in £550 million of tourist revenues a year. Such figures are questioned by others, but supporters of the Royal Family pose the counter factual question as to how much tourism may not come to Britain, if the monarchy was abolished.

The case for abolishing the monarchy

The most frequent arguments made for the abolition of the monarchy are:

Democracy


It is argued that in a democracy, the public should be able to exercise democratic control over the Head of State. This relates to both electing the post, and having the instruments to check or even impeach whoever holds that role. None of this is possible if the head of state is a hereditary monarch.

Campaigners for the abolition of the monarchy, such as the campaign group, ‘Republic’, have argued that a monarchy is fundamentally undemocratic. They argue that only an elected head of state can change the political culture and the relationship with those in power.

The group also attack what they perceive as the Royal Family‘s use of their privileged status to regularly involve themselves in the country‘s politics. This is said to be evidenced by the volume of private letters written by the current Prince of Wales to government Ministers on a regular basis.

The Established Church

The continuing existence of the royal family also attracts criticism because of the way in which the monarch is both the head of the church and head of state.

It is argued that having an established church, in the form of the Church of England, discriminates in favour of one religion above all. It is said that this is a piece of religious discrimination which is a dangerous anachronism in a multi-cultural, mainly secular society.

A similar argument is advanced around the automatic right of Bishops to sit in the House of Lords.

Costs

Campaigners for reform of the British royal family have pointed to the cost of the Royal Family.

At over £80 million per year, they argue that the British sovereign is the most expensive monarch in Europe . In comparison, the Spanish monarchy is said to cost £6.15m, and Swedes reportedly pay £11.6m for their monarchy.

A forward looking Britain

Campaigners for the abolition of the monarchy, argue that having an elected head of state would give a global boost to brand ‘Britain‘. It is argued that such a change would project the image of a modern, confident, and forward looking country abroad.

They also argue that the existence of hereditary power at the top of the country’s political, military and religious institutions, perpetuates a mentality which they describe as being defined by social class. This criticism is frequently tied to criticism of the honours system.

The role of the British monarch


The British monarch, King Charles III is the sovereign and head of state of the UK and its overseas territories. The monarch, referred to in the abstract as ‘The Crown’, is the formal source of all legislative and executive power.

However in practice, the British political system is a ‘constitutional monarchy‘: the supreme power held by the monarch is largely ceremonial and formal, with actual political power exercised by others.

In the United Kingdom, the monarch has the following constitutional duties: the state opening of parliament; the appointment of the prime minister; the approval of parliamentary legislation; the approval of official appointments; the approval of secondary legislation through the privy council; representational duties as head of state such as paying and receiving state visits to and from other heads of state; receiving the credentials of foreign Ambassadors; and regular confidential audiences with the prime minister.

In addition to these constitutional duties, the monarch is also the head of the armed forces; the head of the judiciary; and the head of the civil service. Since Henry VIII, the British monarch has been Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

The monarch is also the fount of honour, and all honours are awarded in his or her name (although, with notable exceptions, most are awarded on the advice of the government).

The British monarch is also the Head of the Commonwealth, and the head of state in 15 of the other 53 Commonwealth member countries.

How much does the royal family cost?

Direct funding to meet the monarchy’s official expenditure is now provided through what is called the ‘Sovereign Grant’. This replaced the Civil List and ‘grants in aid’ from the government in 2012. The grant is reviewed on a five yearly basis.

In 2019-20 the Sovereign Grant was £82.4 million. These figures have risen from £47.4 million in 2017-18, largely to cover the refurbishments and reservicing required at Buckingham Palace.

Supporters of the monarchy and related royal duties equates to £1.23 a year for every person in the UK.

Separate to the Sovereign Grant, the Royal Family’s security bill is picked up by the Metropolitan police in London, while the costs of royal visits are borne by local councils.

Senior members of the royal family have private incomes from their private landed estates and financial assets. In 2016-17, Queen Elizabeth II received revenue of £19.1 million from a landed estate called the Duchy of Lancaster. In the same year, then King Charles earned £22.5 million from his estate, the Duchy of Cornwall.

Queen Elizabeth II voluntarily paid income and capital gains tax since 1992 on her private income and the revenues not used to finance her official work. King Charles III has also voluntarily paid income tax on his income from the Duchy of Cornwall, since 1993.

King Charles’ lobbying



In the past, Charles as the Prince of Wales, has come under scrutiny amidst claims that he regularly writes to government Ministers. A selection of his letters have previously been revealed following Freedom of Information Requests.

Quotes


“The monarchy is so extraordinarily useful. When Britain wins a battle she shouts, God save the Queen; when she loses, she votes down the prime minister.”
Winston Churchill

“The events that I have attended to mark my Diamond Jubilee have been a humbling experience. It has touched me deeply to see so many thousands of families, neighbours and friends celebrating together in such a happy atmosphere”…”I hope that memories of all this year’s happy events will brighten our lives for many years to come. I will continue to treasure and draw inspiration from the countless kindnesses shown to me in this country and throughout the Commonwealth. Thank you all.” The Queen‘s Diamond Jubilee Message – June 2012

“No. I am not a royalist. Not at all. I am definitely a Republican in the British sense of the word. I just don’t see the use of the monarchy though I’m fierce patriot. I’m proud proud proud of being English, but I think the monarchy symbolizes a lot of what was wrong with the country“
. Actor – Daniel Radcliffe

“Canadians should realise when they are well off under the Monarchy. For the vast majority of Canadians, being a Monarchy is probably the only form of government acceptable to them. I have always been for parliamentary democracy and I think the institution of Monarchy with the Queen heading it all has served Canada well”, Former Canadian Prime Minister – Pierre Trudeau.

The history of the British monarchy

Monarchy is rule by an individual who is royal, and the system is usually hereditary. The term monarchy derives from the Greek, monos arkhein, meaning ‘one ruler’.

King Charles III can trace his lineage back to King Egbert, who united England in 829. The only interruption to the institution of the Monarchy was its brief abolition from 1649 to 1660, following the execution of Charles I and the rules of Oliver Cromwell and his son, Richard.

The crowns of England and Scotland were brought together on the accession of James VI of Scotland as James I of England in 1603. The 1707 Act of Union joined the countries as the Kingdom of Great Britain, while the 1801 Act of Union joined this with the Kingdom of Ireland, to create the United Kingdom.

Over the last thousand years, political power in Britain has passed from the Monarch, who reigned and ruled by virtue of the ‘Divine Right of Kings’, to Parliament. Parliament began as a body of leading nobles and clergy that the Monarch consulted in the exercise of power, which gradually assumed more and more power at the expense of the Monarch – particularly during the upheavals of the 17th Century, which culminated in the ‘Glorious Revolution’ of 1689. The 1701 Act of Settlement, critically, passed the power to decide on succession to the throne to Parliament.

By the beginning of the 20th Century, power had passed almost entirely to Parliament. However, Parliament and the Government exercise their powers under ‘Royal Prerogative’: on behalf of the Monarch and through powers still formally possessed by the Monarch.

In 2011, the British Monarchy agreed an end to the primogeniture rule for descendants of the Prince of Wales. This means that if the first child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge had been a girl, she would succeed to the throne ahead of any brothers that she may have. The current line of succession is Prince William, and then Prince George.

It was agreed to abolish the rule which says that no-one who marries a Roman Catholic can become Monarch. However, the monarch must be in communion with the Church of England because he or she is the head of that church.

The early 2020s have seen the British Royal Family endure their most difficult period in the media spotlight since the divorce of Prince Charles and Princess Diana in the early 1990s.

In early 2021, Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan Markel gave a TV interview with Oprah Winfrey in America. In the interview, Markel claimed that Harry had been asked by an unnamed family member “how dark” their son Archie’s skin might be. The comments came at a bad time for the Royal Family, with Prince Andrew facing regular questions around his relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

In 2021, Queen Elizabeth II’s husband Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, died aged 99. He had acted as royal consort between 1952 and 2021, making him the longest ever serving royal consort.

Queen Elizabeth II died on 8 September 2022.

Queen Elizabeth II was the longest ever reigning Monarch, having been Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand for 70 years between 6 February 1952 and 8 September 2022. Between 1952 and 2022, Queen Elizabeth II gave Royal Assent to more than 3,650 Acts of Parliament Over her reign, Queen Elizabeth II appointed 15 Prime Ministers and 7 Archbishops of Canterbury.

Only five other kings and queens in British history have reigned for 50 years or more. They are: Queen Victoria (63 years), George III (59 years), Henry III (56 years), Edward III (50 years), James VI of Scotland (James I of England) (58 years).

There were seven Archbishops of Canterbury during Queen Elizabeth II’s reign: Archbishops Geoffrey Fisher, Michael Ramsey, Donald Coggan, Robert Runcie, George Carey, Rowan Williams, and Justin Welby.



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I'm not a Monarchist. I look at the last three Presidents of the Rep. of Ireland and compare them to Elizabeth II who was competent and dignified, whereas they were embarrassing, woke globalist fools. Charles III is also a new age fool.

English Monarchy is best left alone, like the Papacy. Look at it since the Italians were ousted and since there's musical chairs.
 
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It is good to see the Tudor crown, the true British crown, restored to the Royal Arms.

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THE CORONATION OF Britain’s King Charles (and his wife Queen Camilla) is taking place today, nine months after he ascended the throne following the death of his mother, Queen Elizabeth.



UK residents will be treated to a bank holiday this Monday to mark the first coronation ceremony in 70 years. Many Britons will be celebrating the crowning of their new king throwing parties, baking Union Jack cakes or showing off crochet accessories they’ve made to mark the occasion.

But others, in the UK and beyond, don’t see the coronation as reason to celebrate: critics have said the ceremony is a lavish “publicity stunt”, and have accused the monarchy and the government of being out of touch for making the taxpayer foot the £100 million bill.

We in Ireland have a curious relationship with the monarchy. It was historically a symbol of British rule here, but in recent years there has been more of a fascination with the often-dramatic ongoings of the Windsors across the sea.

Whether you’ll be watching the ceremony from start to finish, or plan to scoff at any and all royal coverage, here’s what you need to know.

Saturday
Coronation Day begins early with viewing areas opening along the procession route at 6am and guests for Westminster Abbey beginning to arrive at security checkpoints in Victoria Tower Gardens between 7.15am and 8.30am.

Charles and Camilla will travel in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach, drawn by six Windsor Grey horses, and escorted by members of the king’s bodyguard, the Household Cavalry.

Some of those expected to be among the 2,300 guests include US first lady Jill Biden, French president Emmanuel Macron, Chinese vice-president Han Zheng, Sinn Féin’s leader in Northern Ireland Michelle O’Neill, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and president of Ireland Michael D Higgins.

The service will begin at 11am and last for two hours, with the key moment coming at midday when the King is crowned.

The Ceremony

There are five main elements: the Recognition, the Oath, the Anointing, the Investiture and Crowning and the Enthronement and Homage, as well as Camilla’s coronations as Queen.

After a moment of silent prayer, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Holy Reverend Justin Welby, will give a greeting. There will then be a Welsh song, Coronation Kyrie, sung. It will be the first Welsh-language performance at a coronation. Hymns will follow throughout the ceremony, including one which will be sung in English, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Irish – the first time the coronation includes other languages associated with Britain and Northern Ireland.

Part One: The Recognition

The recognition rite dates back to the ancient procedures of the Witan – the supreme council of England in Anglo-Saxon times.

The king will stand in the theatre – the central space in Westminster Abbey – and turns to show himself to the people at each of the four directions – east, south, west and north.

A specially commissioned red, leather-bound Bible will be presented to the king.

Part Two: The Oath

For the first time, there is a preface to the coronation oath in which the Archbishop says the Church of England “will seek to foster an environment where people of all faiths and beliefs may live freely”.

The Coronation Oath Act of 1688 requires the King to declare during his crowning ceremony that he will maintain the established Anglican Protestant Church, rule according to laws agreed in Parliament, and cause law, justice and mercy to be executed in his judgment.

After that, Charles will become the first monarch to pray aloud in front of a coronation congregation.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will do a reading.

The Alleluia will then be sung and the Gospel will be read by the Dean of HM Chapels Royal, Sarah Mullally. This will be the first coronation with female clergy. Female priests were introduced in the Church of England in 1994 and female bishops in 2014.

The Alleluia will be sung again and the Archbishop will deliver a sermon. There was no sermon in the coronation of Queen Elizabeth in 1953, but a sermon is usually part of the ceremony.

The Archbishop will then be presented with the Coronation Oil. Charles’s holy oil was made sacred in Jerusalem, and consecrated by the Patriarch of Jerusalem and the Anglican Archbishop in Jerusalem.

The oil will be presented by Anglican Archbishop in Jerusalem, the Most Reverend Dr Hosam Naoum.

Part Three: The Anointing
The anointing with holy oil is the central act of the religious ceremony and takes place in private.

Charles will remove his crimson Robe of State and sit in the Coronation Chair – made for King Edward I around 1300.

The Anointing screen – a new, 2.6m high three-sided screen featuring an embroidered tree celebrating the Commonwealth – will be arranged around the Coronation Chair.

The Archbishop will anoint the King on his hands, breast and head. The coronation spoon used to hold the oil is the oldest item in the ceremony, dating back to the 12th century.

Part Four: The Investiture and Crowning
Charles will then be presented with the coronation regalia.



In recognition of multi-faith Britain, peers from from non-Christian faith traditions have been chosen to take part for the first time.

The regalia represent virtues such as chivalry, royal power, sincerity and wisdom. One object, the Jewelled Sword of Offering, will be carried by a woman for the first time, when Commons leader Penny Mordaunt presents it.

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Charles will be presented with a glove to place on his right hand before he is presented with the Sovereign’s Sceptre with Cross and the Rod with Dove.

The Archbishop will then bring the Crown of St Edward down onto the king’s head and proclaim: “God save The King.”



royalty-coronation-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-londonPA The crowning of the late Queen Elizabeth in 1953

The Abbey bells will ring for two minutes. A fanfare will be sounded followed by a gun salute.

Gun Salutes will also be fired at the Tower of London.

Part Five: Enthronment and Homage
The enthroning is the setting of the King in his crown on the throne.

The ancient ritual descends from coronations of old when early kings were crowned upon a mound of earth and lifted high on to the shoulders of noblemen for all to see.

The Archbishop and Prince William will swear allegiance to the king.

The new – somewhat controversial – Homage of the People invites people watching around the UK and across world in the King’s overseas realms to cry out and join in by swearing allegiance to the King.

The Archbishop of Canterbury will again proclaim: “God save The King”, with the people replying: “God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May The King live for ever.”

Coronation of the Queen
Charles’s wife Camilla will then be crowned Queen.



In a break with tradition, she will be anointed in public rather than in private under a canopy.

The Archbishop will place Queen Mary’s crown on Camilla’s head. The crown was made for Charles’s great-grandmother Queen Mary for George V’s coronation in 1911. It will be the first time a consort’s crown has been reused for a coronation rather than a new one created.



Camilla will be presented the rod and sceptre.

The enthroning of Camilla is the moment in which she and Charles “are united in their joint vocation before God”.

Holy Communion
The gifts of bread and wine will be brought before the king for him to acknowledge, and from there the celebration of the Eucharist takes place much like a regular Anglican mass.

God Save the King, the national anthem, will be sung and the procession will exit the cathedral.

At the end of the procession, Charles will be greeted by leaders and representatives from different faith communities.

He will then proceed to the gold state coach with Camilla for their coronation procession back to Buckingham Palace.


A rehearsal for the coronation during the week.

The journey is 1.3 miles, considerably shorter than the five miles that Elizabeth traipsed for her coronation. The gold state coach is said to be rather uncomfortable as a mode of transport.

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Charles and Camilla will receive a royal salute from the military in the palace gardens at 1.45pm.

This will be followed by a balcony moment when the couple will be joined by other members of the royal family to watch a flypast at around 2.15pm.


Members of the royal family watch a flypast for the late Queen Elizabeth's platinum jubilee celebrations

Sunday
Thousands of street parties are expected to be held over the weekend, with people encouraged to come together across the country for the Coronation Big Lunch.

Several members of the royal family, including Prince William and his wife Kate Middleton, will attend community parties.

Later, around 20,000 members of the public are expected to attend the Coronation Concert at Windsor Castle where they will see performances by Take That, Katy Perry, Lionel Richie, Paloma Faith, Olly Murs, veteran rock guitarist Steve Winwood, and Nicole Scherzinger of The Pussycat Dolls.

The show, hosted by Paddington and Downton Abbey actor Hugh Bonneville, will see Hollywood star Tom Cruise, Dynasty actress Dame Joan Collins, adventurer Bear Grylls and singer Tom Jones appear via video message.

The series of pre-recorded sketches will reveal little-known facts about the monarch and will also include moments from beloved literary figure Winnie the Pooh – seemingly echoing the famous moment Paddington Bear drank tea with the Queen during her Platinum Jubilee celebrations.

Classical acts including Andrea Bocelli, Welsh bass-baritone Sir Bryn Terfel and Chinese pianist Lang Lang will also perform.

The Royal Ballet, the Royal Opera, the Royal Shakespeare Company, the Royal College of Music and the Royal College of Art will come together for the first time to create a one-off performance featuring Sex Education and Doctor Who star Ncuti Gatwa and Olivier Award nominee Mei Mac.

As part of the Coronation Concert, choreographed lasers, projections and drone displays will radiate over historic bridges and buildings.

Monday
The ‘Big Help Out’ will take place on bank holiday Monday, with the aim of inspiring and recruiting a new generation of volunteers.

Buckingham Palace said the Big Help Out will “highlight the positive impact volunteering has on communities across the nation”.

Prince Edward and his wife Sophie will take part in a puppy class at the Guide Dogs training centre in Reading, while Princess Anne and her husband Tim Laurence will attend a civic service recognising local volunteers at Gloucester Cathedral.



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The palace spokesperson said that according to the latest polling, an estimated 6.5 million people say they are planning to take part in the Big Help Out, ranging from community litter picks to signing up to longer-term volunteering opportunities with a wide range of charities.

The palace said that while “wholly supportive” of the Big Help Out initiatives on Monday, Charles and Camilla will not be attending any of the events in person.



In France multiple French channels will be showing the coronation. Check their schedules if you don’t believe me. France24 English Channel.has been showing multiple segments over the oast week or two about the coronation. Much if the British coronation ceremony is a cut and paste job of French Coronations with some adaptations. William the Conquerer came from France as did the first half dozen Kings of England

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What is true, in my opinion, are the sacred and distinguished Kingdoms of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

For me the "United Kingdom" is a leftist structure.

The division of Ireland into two "countries" is a leftist tactic, as is any kind of "union", "united" and so on.

The USA should be just one nationalist state, America, not "united states", because that is leftist and fragmentary.

Regarding King Charles III - specifically him, and only him - I've always wanted him to reach the throne - since I watched his wedding to Diana live in 1981 - for his rebellious and independent style.

He was primarily responsible for the expulsion of Harry and his mixed-race wife from the Royal Family.

When a King is great, as Charles III is, even the bizarre things he's done - like talking to plants and those porn letters he sent to Camilla - don't erase his royalty, elegance and leadership.
 
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What is true, in my opinion, are the sacred and distinguished Kingdoms of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

For me the "United Kingdom" is a leftist structure.

The division of Ireland into two "countries" is a leftist tactic, as is any kind of "union", "united" and so on.

The USA should be just one nationalist state, America, not "united states", because that is leftist and fragmentary.

Regarding King Charles III - specifically him, and only him - I've always wanted him to reach the throne - since I watched his wedding to Diana live in 1981 - for his rebellious and independent style.

He was primarily responsible for the expulsion of Harry and his mixed-race wife from the Royal Family.

When a King is great, as Charles III is, even the bizarre things he's done - like talking to plants and those porn letters he sent to Camilla - don't erase his royalty, elegance and leadership.
He has had the balls to do something right.
 
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