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procopius · November 25th, 2015

I wonder how counter-jihadists explain why the US gives ISIS 45 minutes to evacuate an oil refinery but gave doctors-without-borders no warning when they bombed them each.

NewsFeed · November 25th, 2015

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official said that assessment was based on detection of the heat signature of the jet.

read full article at source: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-hi...010811956.html

cillian · November 25th, 2015

The surviving pilot of a Russian jet downed by Turkey has said there were no warnings before they were struck out of the sky, it's reported.

Captain Konstantin Murakhtin told a Russian TV station that his plane was flying over Syrian territory and did not violate Turkish airspace.

Speaking for the first time since the incident yesterday, the pilot said he knew the region like the back of his hand and "couldn't possibly have flown into Turkish airspace".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...s-were-6898879

Crowe · November 25th, 2015

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Originally Posted by Robbie Key

Turkey's actually been a member of NATO for decades, which makes it all the more serious. I do wonder what the turks are trying to accomplish with such an aggressive act. The Russians should send in ground forces to completely obliterate the ISIS filth as a response to this.

They're trying to bait Russia into getting more involved in that region. That's the only reason I can think for doing something like this. A boots on the ground presence in Syria would escalate the situation as a proxy war. The Israelis, the US, the Turks, etc would all start attacking Russian troops in Syria. It could end up as another Afghanistan for the Russians. I'm sure ZOG would love to get Russia throwing heavy resources away into a conflict they couldn't win.

One way he could get even is to station more Russian troops in/near Iran, and have some more submarines patrolling the region, as well as offer to defend Iran from attack. He could completely eliminate the possibility of a first strike on Iran by ZOG or Israel.

Robbie Key · November 25th, 2015

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Originally Posted by Crowe

They're trying to bait Russia into getting more involved in that region. That's the only reason I can think for doing something like this. A boots on the ground presence in Syria would escalate the situation as a proxy war. The Israelis, the US, the Turks, etc would all start attacking Russian troops in Syria. It could end up as another Afghanistan for the Russians. I'm sure ZOG would love to get Russia throwing heavy resources away into a conflict they couldn't win.

One way he could get even is to station more Russian troops in/near Iran, and have some more submarines patrolling the region, as well as offer to defend Iran from attack. He could completely eliminate the possibility of a first strike on Iran by ZOG or Israel.

Yeah, that makes sense. They tried to bait the Russians in Ukraine a year ago and now this Syria campaign has been a huge propaganda victory for Russia as they have shown that they actually are serious in fighting ISIS and defending the Assad government (in accordance with international law no less).

As this isn't THAT big of an incident all things considered, there should be more coming, no? NATO/US couldn't seriously believe that Putin and his team would start lashing out irrationally all of a sudden because of this one incident? They've shown remarkable restraint with regards to Ukraine.

Robbie Key · November 25th, 2015

here's the russian reaction so far, anyway

Russian missile cruiser off Latakia coast, ready to destroy dangerous air targets - Defense Minister

Published time: 25 Nov, 2015 09:18
Edited time: 25 Nov, 2015 17:55
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The Guards Missile Cruiser "Moskva" © Vitaliy Ankov / Sputnik

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Russia has deployed a missile cruiser near Latakia and is ready to take down any aerial targets threatening its airbase near the Syrian city, with long-range surface-to-air missiles.

The move was announced on Tuesday after Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber conducting an anti-terrorist mission in Syria. Ankara claims it engaged the warplane over a violation of Turkey’s airspace, but Moscow denies any violation and accused Turkey of aiding terrorists in Syria.

The Moskva cruiser, stationed in Latakia as part of the military buildup, is a 11,500-ton, 186-meter warship serving as part of the Russian Black Sea fleet. In addition to anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine mortars and torpedoes, it has 64 Fort missiles, the naval version of the S-300 long-range air defense system. The missiles can engage targets at a range of up to 150km, which is enough to cover all of southern Turkey from Latakia.

In response to the incident, the Russian military in Syria has ramped up security. All Russian bombers will now be accompanied by fighter jets to protect them from possible aggression. Russia also warned that it would destroy any aircraft threatening Russian forces deployed in the Middle Eastern country.

https://www.rt.com/news/323385-russi...uiser-latakia/

Moscow to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria

Published time: 25 Nov, 2015 08:37
Edited time: 25 Nov, 2015 17:58
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An S-400 "Triumf" antiaircraft missile system. © Kirill Kallinikov / Sputnik

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The Russian Air Force base in Latakia will be reinforced with S-400 SAM system, which will soon be deployed there, Russia's Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Wednesday.

"S-400 will be deployed on Khmeimim airbase in Syria," Shoigu said at a Defense Ministry meeting.

Earlier on Tuesday, the Russian Su-24 was shot down by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet near the Turkish-Syrian border. One pilot died in the incident. The second one was rescued and brought to the Russian airbase in Latakia.

Moscow maintains the jet did not violate Turkey's airspace. It ditched on Syria's territory four kilometers from the border.

Shortly afterwards, the MoD announced three steps to be taken following the attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber, including providing aerial cover by fighter jets for every airstrike, boosting air defense by deploying guided missile cruisers off the Latakia coast, and suspending all military-to-military contacts with Turkey.

https://www.rt.com/news/323379-s400-...syria-airbase/

Crowe · November 25th, 2015

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Originally Posted by Robbie Key

As this isn't THAT big of an incident all things considered, there should be more coming, no? NATO/US couldn't seriously believe that Putin and his team would start lashing out irrationally all of a sudden because of this one incident? They've shown remarkable restraint with regards to Ukraine.

Putin isn't stupid, he's aware of the situation, and isn't going to act like an autistic child with no restraints. But at this point NATO/US/Israel are grasping at straws trying to do whatever they can to get the situation to turn in their favor. The goal for the Zionists is clearly to oust Assad, and establish a puppet regime subservient to Israel and the USA. The best way for Putin to get even is to find another creative way of throwing another wrench in that operation. Nations that are nuclear armed have to be coy and even passive aggressive to avoid escalating conflict directly between each other. Its not in anyone's interests to escalate things to a nuclear war.

Robbie Key · November 25th, 2015

no more filthy israeli or turkish jets in Syria

Syria is Getting the Best Air Defense Missile System Ever

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19:02 25.11.2015 (updated 21:31 25.11.2015) Get short URL

The Russian air force in Syria will be protected by the most powerful and advanced air defense system in the world, when it deploys its S-400 missile system to the Hmeymim airbase there.

Syria will have a comprehensive air defense after Russia deploys its S-400 missile systems to the Hmeymim airbase there, security analyst and US Navy veteran Mark Sleboda told Sputnik.

"It is a significant upgrade on the S-300, which was a much earlier system. The S-400 came out at the end of the Soviet period, but there have been significant upgrades in recent years."

"It is widely regarded by experts as the most powerful and technologically advanced air defense system in the world," and its deployment in Syria sends a powerful statement, said Sleboda.

"This is a very powerful defensive statement from Russia … very soon there will be a quite effective Russian no-fly zone over almost the entirety of Syrian territory, certainly covering all west of Syria, and very far towards the eastern border."

The deployment of S-400 is in addition to the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile-gun system the Russian air force already had at its disposal at the Hmeymim airbase, while the Moskva guided missile cruiser was already in the area.
"There wasn't really a need for them (the more powerful S-400 system)," said Sleboda.

"ISIL, of course, doesn't have an air force. They were simply a standard military precaution for an air mission. But now with the threat of NATO planes taking down Russian jets out of the air, that suddenly becomes a very real necessity."

On Wednesday the Russian defense ministry announced that the S-400 defense missile system will be deployed to its air base in Syria.

It can destroy tactical ballistic missiles at a range of up to 60 km, and air targets including cruise missiles and aircraft flying at a speed of up to 4800 meters a second, and a distance of up to 250 km. The S-400 is also capable of tracking and launching against most stealth technology.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20...e-defense.html

cillian · November 25th, 2015

Russian retaliation on turkmen terrorists US funded and equipped moderate opposition.

LiveLeak.com - Russian carpet bombing in place where turkomans murdered Russian pilot

LiveLeak.com - RuAF Warplanes bombing smuggling route near Syria'n - Turkey border

LiveLeak.com - Abandoned rat holes of Jabhat Al-Nusra "moderate" terrorists are inspected by Russian TV...

Crowe · November 25th, 2015

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Rinnnnng.....hello?

Why do you have to shit post 6 consecutive posts in an important topic like this? It would be different if those posts had something to contribute to this topic in a meaningful way, but you're being annoying to anyone reading this topic. Please stop that.

8Man · November 25th, 2015

'Turks never gave me ANY warning': Rescued Russian pilot says he was shot down for no reason and vows 'pay back' for lost co-pilot

The pilot of the downed Russian fighter jet has vowed to continue flying
Captain Konstantin Murahtin said it would be 'payback' for his commander
Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov was killed by rebels in the plane crash
But Cpt. Murahtin was rescued in a 12-hour military operation overnight
He has claimed he received no warning he was violating Turkish airspace

'I could clearly see with the map and visually where the borders were and where we were. There even wasn't a threat of entering Turkey.'

Cpt Murahtin told of how he landed in rebel held territory where he spent several hours hiding in a forest' before being found using his radio beacon.

He was rescued after an 18-strong Syrian SWAT team backed by six fighters from the elite division of Shia Hezbollah movement, and then spirited to the Hemeimeem air base.

Capt. Scott O'Grady might find it interesting to share stories with him.

more at: Russian pilot rescued

Crowe · November 25th, 2015

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Originally Posted by 8Man

He was rescued after an 18-strong Syrian SWAT team backed by six fighters from the elite division of Shia Hezbollah movement, and then spirited to the Hemeimeem air base.

Yet ZOG paints Hezbollah with the same brush they paint ISIS with. It was Joe Smith who was the first one on here I saw point out that Hezbollah wasn't a "terrorist" organization. They're freedom fighters, and anti-Zionists.

cillian · November 25th, 2015

Some more retaliation vids. Warning, excessive snackbarring.

LiveLeak.com - Russia unleashes its anger at jihadis in Hama countryside. Ya Allah indeed, you kunts

Aid convoy hit by Russian air strikes in Azaz near Turkey border

cillian · November 25th, 2015

The Anadolu news agency reports that the Turkish authorities have sent tanks to its border with Syria.

The Turkish military has sent 20 more tanks to an armored brigade it has stationed at Turkey's western border with Syria, Turkey's Anadolu agency reported on Wednesday.

"Accompanied by police and gendarmes, 20 tanks were sent by rail from Turkey's western provinces by railway to Gaziantep in the south of the country, and then redirected to the Syrian border," a military source told the agency.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20...#ixzz3sXn328N9

Serbian · November 25th, 2015

The NATO destruction of the RuAF SU-24 Fencer and Turkish murder of the Russian servicemen

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Russia’s Interdiction of ISIS-Turkey Oil Trade and Attacks on Turkmen jihadi militants Poses Risk of Enlargement of Syrian Conflict

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By: JiminNH

The increasing velocity of events in Syria indicates that the conflict may be ready to spill over into a larger conflagration and direct conflict between the forces of the AZ hegemon and the Resistance thereto. A couple of apparently un-related events have rapidly coalesced into armed conflict between an NATO member state and Russia, the consequences of which are yet to be revealed, but unlikely to be anything but more fuel on the fires of the not only the Syrian conflict but the war between the AZ empire and Russia.

Follow the Oil:

Followers of this blog are undoubtedly aware that Russian Pres. Vladimir Putin was outspoken in his comments at a post G-20 press conference on Nov. 16th regarding not only direct aid and support to ISIS by Western allied G-20 member states, but also the nature of those same Western allies who aid ISIS in the transshipment and sale of contraband ISIS oil.

The western “free press” has still yet to report on that presser wherein Pres. Putin stated that he provided evidence of “our data on the financing of Islamic State units by natural persons in various countries. The financing comes from 40 countries, as we established, including some G20 members”, and further where he told of providing imagery and intelligence data that shows the massive oil tanker truck convoys that ship oil from ISIS controlled territory, in his words “convoys stretching for dozens of kilometers, going beyond the horizon when seen from a height of four-five thousand meters”.
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Readers to this blog are also probably aware of the deep ties between Turkish Pres. Erdogan and the various Wahhibi and Salafist groups in Syria, to specifically include Turkish collusion with ISIS in both military support as well as financial support. That financial involvement includes claims that Bilal Erdogan, the son of Turkish Pres. Recip Tayyep Erdogan, is the principal conduit of the transshipment and sale of contraband ISIS oil supplies, and that his company BMZ Ltd. owns and operates both the tanker trucks that send ISIS’s ill-begotten oil to Turkey, and from their onto Ceylan where it is sold on the world markets. BMZ also owns oil tanker ships that then transport the oil to end destinations, in EU markets, Japan and, reportedly, Israel.
Source:

In recent weeks, Russia has been straightforward in reporting its attacks on ISIS’s financial lifeline, i.e. the sale of oil. RuAF bombers and cruise missiles have attacked both oil infrastructure (tanks and transshipment points), as well as the fleet of oil tanker trucks that transship said oil to Turkey.

Sources: RT

and ZeroHedge

Not surprisingly, the Pentagon disputes those assertions.
Source:

Of course, it is only “coincidental” that the USAF-led “coalition” that has been putatively bombing ISIS for over 16 months failed to hit a single one of those convoys until literally hours after Putin’s as-yet unreported press conference.
Source:

Russia’s air war against the financial aid rendered to ISIS by Turkey and its western allies through the illicit and eminently illegal sale of stolen Syrian (and Iraqi) oil by ISIS through Turkey poses a dire threat to ISIS, as well as causes a catastrophic loss to Erdogan’s family business empire.

Russian Air Operations against Turkmen Militiants in Northen Latakia Province

In another sequence of event, Russia’s air expeditionary wing has been engaged in close air support and other air operations targeting the anti-Assad jihadi militias, including the al Qaeda/al Nusra affiliated “Turkmen Brigade”, in the northern Latakia province of Syria. In response to those punitive air operations, the Turkmen militants openly called out for help from Turkey against the RuAF. An article was posted on the Turkish newspaper Todays Zaman regarding the plea for help, in an article headlined:
“Syrian Turkmens ask for Turkey’s help under heavy bombardment by Assad, Russia”

Source:

Also days ago, Turkish P.M. Davutoglu warned Russia about bombing the same ethnic Turkmen militias in Latakia province.

Confluence of Events Leads to Direct Conflict

It appears that Davutoglu is a man of his word. These two events have coalesced into an incident whereby Turkish F-16 fighters have apparently shot down the RuAF SU-24 Fender bomber in Syrian airspace, with the pilot and navigator ejecting over Syrian territory. Reports indicate that the Turkmen militants exacted typical jihadi vengeance against the RuAF crewmembers by killing them while parachuting to the ground and/or on the ground. Reports also indicate that a RuAF search and rescue helicopted was likewise attacked by militants, the results of which are not known to this author at the moment.

Russian Pres. Putin has clearly articulated his viewpoint that Russia has been “stabbed in the back delivered by the accomplices to terrorists.” He stated emphatically that the Russian plane posed no threat to Turkey, and that it was operating solely in Syrian airspace against “terrorists” The implication is clear – he just called NATO member Turkey an accomplice to terror, not to mention the killer of two Russian servicemen. While there will undoubtedly be a duel of radar tracking to show whether or not the Fencer violated Turkish airspace, as claimed by Davutoglu, the reality is that a NATO jet just shot down the first Russian aircraft since the formation of the NATO alliance, an operation conducted in support of Turkmen jihadi’s and likely in revenge for Russia’s destruction of the ISIS/Erdogan Oil company.

Likely Outcome:

From this moment forward, we can expect that NATO will provide 100% support for the Turkish claims of the Fencer violating Turkish airspace. After all, since readers to this blog are fully aware that the multiplicity of Wahhabi and Salafist jihadi militants in Syria are but proxy armies for the AZ empire, and its armed forces in the form of NATO militaries, such an outcome is only to be expected.

The real question is what can we expect to be Russia’s response. Beyond FM Lavrov cancelling his scheduled meeting with Turkey, and his call for Russian citizens to boycott Turkey’s tourist destinations, we can fully expect Russia to respond in the military domain.

The respons is likely to be in multiple domains. Reports have already emerged that the Russian naval flotilla off Syria will provide heightened air defense coverage, likely moving naval assets closer to the Turkish/Syrian border.

In the air, at a minimum we coud anticipate that Russia will enhance its fighter cover in support of CAS (close air support) operations near the Turkish border. To accomplish that feat, it is likely that Russia will need to enlarge its air expeditionary wing in Syria with more advanced air-to-air combat fighters.

Russia may well enhance its air-to-air fighter assets in an effort to close of Syrian airspace to Turkish fighter/bombers, which have repeatedly violated Syrian sovereign airspace in operations putatively directed against the Kurds, but likely directed against the Syrian Arab Army and other Syrian assets in the “undeclared” war on the Syrian Arab Republic.

Another likely result is that Russia will formally recognize that reports of the presence of the S-400 SAM system is present in Syria, and that it will be employed in defense of Russian air operations over northern Syria. I would also anticipate that such surface to air missile coverage, perhaps the more mobile Sa-22 Pantsir SAM system, will be moved as far north in the Latakia province as possible to provide more timely protection to RuAF CAS operations.

If so, we will undoubtedly read of Russian SAM operators “lighting up” Turkish and other NATO jets operating in the border region, locking onto those targets with firing solutions in case those SAMS are actually deployed to prevent another shootdown of a Russian plane or to take down the plane(s) that engage in such an attack in the future.

Finally, other unconventional means of protecting airborne assets, such as electronic warfare operations conducted by the fleet, by airborne assets and/or ground based EW systems could well be used to shield and protect the bomber forces. The inherent risk of significant use of EW assets, however, would be that NATO could discover previously unknown Russian capabilities in that crucial domain and have a “head start” on developing EW countermeasures for the likely next phase of the AZ war on Russia.

The key question is whether this unjustified attack on the RuAF plane operating in Syrian airspace will be the incident that causes Russia to provide additional support to its air operations in support of Syrian sovereign rights of self defense in the form of introduction of ground forces. Such ground forces could now justifiably be deployed directly along the Syrian-Turkish border, at a minimum against the Turkmen Brigade which just butchered two RuAF servicemen, but perhaps more expansively along larger swaths of the open border and thereby help close off not only the NATO-ISIS arms supply lines (the reporting of which cost Serena Shim her life) but also the Erdogan family’s illicit enterprise of shipping and selling ISIS oil supplies in western oil markets.

Whatever the case, the gloves appear to be coming off, and those who back the terrorists in Syria, NATO member Turkey among them along with the AZ empire’s GCC allies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, are increasingly easy to discern. The question is whether Turkey’s “throwing down the gauntlet” and challenging Russia’s air operations will be the trigger event for more conflict, or perhaps the warning shot that makes all parties realize the heightened risks of global conflict that the neo-Ottoman Caliph Erdogan attack against the Russian Air Force just engendered.

Respectfully submitted by JiminNH

JiminNH is a USAF veteran who resides in NH. The motto “Live Free or Die” on the license plate should not be just a quaint historical relic of a once great constitutional republic

http://thesaker.is/the-nato-destruct...an-servicemen/

Serbian · November 25th, 2015

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Originally Posted by Crowe

Putin isn't stupid, he's aware of the situation, and isn't going to act like an autistic child with no restraints. But at this point NATO/US/Israel are grasping at straws trying to do whatever they can to get the situation to turn in their favor. The goal for the Zionists is clearly to oust Assad, and establish a puppet regime subservient to Israel and the USA. The best way for Putin to get even is to find another creative way of throwing another wrench in that operation. Nations that are nuclear armed have to be coy and even passive aggressive to avoid escalating conflict directly between each other. Its not in anyone's interests to escalate things to a nuclear war.

One thing Russia could still do is start sending intelligence and sophisticated weapons to the PKK.

It should also encourage and facilitate even more active Iranian engagement in Syria.

brutus · November 26th, 2015

Has Turkey ever been on the right side of anything?

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Serbian · November 26th, 2015

An American general speaking some sense. Wonder if they will invite him back after this.

Note the biased Fox whore can't even hide her prejudice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzHg6I0CmyU

Jack Stanton · November 26th, 2015

They were playing that clip constantly on RT as an example of the media bias.
Way to show your hand Gretchen.

There are a lot of angry people around that Syrian table, it's almost as if they had already carved up Syria in their minds and they just needed to dish out the portions. "A big slab of Golan for you Benny?" Then Putin comes in and kicks the table over and they all have to walk away with empty bellies.

I think it's absolutely fantastic.

procopius · November 26th, 2015

With Russia bringing new missiles systems to Syria, can we expect another civilian airliner being mysteriously shot down over/near Syria and Russia being blamed for it?

November 25th, 2015	#41
procopius Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,611	I wonder how counter-jihadists explain why the US gives ISIS 45 minutes to evacuate an oil refinery but gave doctors-without-borders no warning when they bombed them each.
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November 25th, 2015	#42
NewsFeed News Bot	U.S Confirmed that Turkey shot down Russian Jet over Syrian Land WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official said that assessment was based on detection of the heat signature of the jet. read full article at source: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-hi...010811956.html
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November 25th, 2015	#43
cillian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,377	The surviving pilot of a Russian jet downed by Turkey has said there were no warnings before they were struck out of the sky, it's reported. Captain Konstantin Murakhtin told a Russian TV station that his plane was flying over Syrian territory and did not violate Turkish airspace. Speaking for the first time since the incident yesterday, the pilot said he knew the region like the back of his hand and "couldn't possibly have flown into Turkish airspace". http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...s-were-6898879
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November 25th, 2015	#48
Robbie Key Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,399 Blog Entries: 8	no more filthy israeli or turkish jets in Syria Syria is Getting the Best Air Defense Missile System Ever MIDDLE EAST 19:02 25.11.2015 (updated 21:31 25.11.2015) Get short URL The Russian air force in Syria will be protected by the most powerful and advanced air defense system in the world, when it deploys its S-400 missile system to the Hmeymim airbase there. Syria will have a comprehensive air defense after Russia deploys its S-400 missile systems to the Hmeymim airbase there, security analyst and US Navy veteran Mark Sleboda told Sputnik. "It is a significant upgrade on the S-300, which was a much earlier system. The S-400 came out at the end of the Soviet period, but there have been significant upgrades in recent years." "It is widely regarded by experts as the most powerful and technologically advanced air defense system in the world," and its deployment in Syria sends a powerful statement, said Sleboda. "This is a very powerful defensive statement from Russia … very soon there will be a quite effective Russian no-fly zone over almost the entirety of Syrian territory, certainly covering all west of Syria, and very far towards the eastern border." The deployment of S-400 is in addition to the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile-gun system the Russian air force already had at its disposal at the Hmeymim airbase, while the Moskva guided missile cruiser was already in the area. "There wasn't really a need for them (the more powerful S-400 system)," said Sleboda. "ISIL, of course, doesn't have an air force. They were simply a standard military precaution for an air mission. But now with the threat of NATO planes taking down Russian jets out of the air, that suddenly becomes a very real necessity." On Wednesday the Russian defense ministry announced that the S-400 defense missile system will be deployed to its air base in Syria. It can destroy tactical ballistic missiles at a range of up to 60 km, and air targets including cruise missiles and aircraft flying at a speed of up to 4800 meters a second, and a distance of up to 250 km. The S-400 is also capable of tracking and launching against most stealth technology. http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20...e-defense.html
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8Man "moderate" radical Join Date: May 2004 Location: 33 Thomas St NY 10007 Posts: 3,430	.. looks like one pilot made it out OK 'Turks never gave me ANY warning': Rescued Russian pilot says he was shot down for no reason and vows 'pay back' for lost co-pilot The pilot of the downed Russian fighter jet has vowed to continue flying Captain Konstantin Murahtin said it would be 'payback' for his commander Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov was killed by rebels in the plane crash But Cpt. Murahtin was rescued in a 12-hour military operation overnight He has claimed he received no warning he was violating Turkish airspace 'I could clearly see with the map and visually where the borders were and where we were. There even wasn't a threat of entering Turkey.' Cpt Murahtin told of how he landed in rebel held territory where he spent several hours hiding in a forest' before being found using his radio beacon. He was rescued after an 18-strong Syrian SWAT team backed by six fighters from the elite division of Shia Hezbollah movement, and then spirited to the Hemeimeem air base. Capt. Scott O'Grady might find it interesting to share stories with him. more at: Russian pilot rescued __________________ "Israel's values are Canada's values" Canadian PM Paul Martin, Nov. 13 2005 "An attack on Israel is an attack on Canada" Canadian PM Stephen Harper, Feb. 16 2010
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November 25th, 2015	#55
Serbian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,794	The NATO destruction of the RuAF SU-24 Fencer and Turkish murder of the Russian servicemen 8034 ViewsNovember 25, 2015 106 Comments Russia’s Interdiction of ISIS-Turkey Oil Trade and Attacks on Turkmen jihadi militants Poses Risk of Enlargement of Syrian Conflict UPDATED By: JiminNH The increasing velocity of events in Syria indicates that the conflict may be ready to spill over into a larger conflagration and direct conflict between the forces of the AZ hegemon and the Resistance thereto. A couple of apparently un-related events have rapidly coalesced into armed conflict between an NATO member state and Russia, the consequences of which are yet to be revealed, but unlikely to be anything but more fuel on the fires of the not only the Syrian conflict but the war between the AZ empire and Russia. Follow the Oil: Followers of this blog are undoubtedly aware that Russian Pres. Vladimir Putin was outspoken in his comments at a post G-20 press conference on Nov. 16th regarding not only direct aid and support to ISIS by Western allied G-20 member states, but also the nature of those same Western allies who aid ISIS in the transshipment and sale of contraband ISIS oil. The western “free press” has still yet to report on that presser wherein Pres. Putin stated that he provided evidence of “our data on the financing of Islamic State units by natural persons in various countries. The financing comes from 40 countries, as we established, including some G20 members”, and further where he told of providing imagery and intelligence data that shows the massive oil tanker truck convoys that ship oil from ISIS controlled territory, in his words “convoys stretching for dozens of kilometers, going beyond the horizon when seen from a height of four-five thousand meters”. Source: Readers to this blog are also probably aware of the deep ties between Turkish Pres. Erdogan and the various Wahhibi and Salafist groups in Syria, to specifically include Turkish collusion with ISIS in both military support as well as financial support. That financial involvement includes claims that Bilal Erdogan, the son of Turkish Pres. Recip Tayyep Erdogan, is the principal conduit of the transshipment and sale of contraband ISIS oil supplies, and that his company BMZ Ltd. owns and operates both the tanker trucks that send ISIS’s ill-begotten oil to Turkey, and from their onto Ceylan where it is sold on the world markets. BMZ also owns oil tanker ships that then transport the oil to end destinations, in EU markets, Japan and, reportedly, Israel. Source: In recent weeks, Russia has been straightforward in reporting its attacks on ISIS’s financial lifeline, i.e. the sale of oil. RuAF bombers and cruise missiles have attacked both oil infrastructure (tanks and transshipment points), as well as the fleet of oil tanker trucks that transship said oil to Turkey. Sources: RT and ZeroHedge Not surprisingly, the Pentagon disputes those assertions. Source: Of course, it is only “coincidental” that the USAF-led “coalition” that has been putatively bombing ISIS for over 16 months failed to hit a single one of those convoys until literally hours after Putin’s as-yet unreported press conference. Source: Russia’s air war against the financial aid rendered to ISIS by Turkey and its western allies through the illicit and eminently illegal sale of stolen Syrian (and Iraqi) oil by ISIS through Turkey poses a dire threat to ISIS, as well as causes a catastrophic loss to Erdogan’s family business empire. Russian Air Operations against Turkmen Militiants in Northen Latakia Province In another sequence of event, Russia’s air expeditionary wing has been engaged in close air support and other air operations targeting the anti-Assad jihadi militias, including the al Qaeda/al Nusra affiliated “Turkmen Brigade”, in the northern Latakia province of Syria. In response to those punitive air operations, the Turkmen militants openly called out for help from Turkey against the RuAF. An article was posted on the Turkish newspaper Todays Zaman regarding the plea for help, in an article headlined: “Syrian Turkmens ask for Turkey’s help under heavy bombardment by Assad, Russia” Source: Also days ago, Turkish P.M. Davutoglu warned Russia about bombing the same ethnic Turkmen militias in Latakia province. Confluence of Events Leads to Direct Conflict It appears that Davutoglu is a man of his word. These two events have coalesced into an incident whereby Turkish F-16 fighters have apparently shot down the RuAF SU-24 Fender bomber in Syrian airspace, with the pilot and navigator ejecting over Syrian territory. Reports indicate that the Turkmen militants exacted typical jihadi vengeance against the RuAF crewmembers by killing them while parachuting to the ground and/or on the ground. Reports also indicate that a RuAF search and rescue helicopted was likewise attacked by militants, the results of which are not known to this author at the moment. Russian Pres. Putin has clearly articulated his viewpoint that Russia has been “stabbed in the back delivered by the accomplices to terrorists.” He stated emphatically that the Russian plane posed no threat to Turkey, and that it was operating solely in Syrian airspace against “terrorists” The implication is clear – he just called NATO member Turkey an accomplice to terror, not to mention the killer of two Russian servicemen. While there will undoubtedly be a duel of radar tracking to show whether or not the Fencer violated Turkish airspace, as claimed by Davutoglu, the reality is that a NATO jet just shot down the first Russian aircraft since the formation of the NATO alliance, an operation conducted in support of Turkmen jihadi’s and likely in revenge for Russia’s destruction of the ISIS/Erdogan Oil company. Likely Outcome: From this moment forward, we can expect that NATO will provide 100% support for the Turkish claims of the Fencer violating Turkish airspace. After all, since readers to this blog are fully aware that the multiplicity of Wahhabi and Salafist jihadi militants in Syria are but proxy armies for the AZ empire, and its armed forces in the form of NATO militaries, such an outcome is only to be expected. The real question is what can we expect to be Russia’s response. Beyond FM Lavrov cancelling his scheduled meeting with Turkey, and his call for Russian citizens to boycott Turkey’s tourist destinations, we can fully expect Russia to respond in the military domain. The respons is likely to be in multiple domains. Reports have already emerged that the Russian naval flotilla off Syria will provide heightened air defense coverage, likely moving naval assets closer to the Turkish/Syrian border. In the air, at a minimum we coud anticipate that Russia will enhance its fighter cover in support of CAS (close air support) operations near the Turkish border. To accomplish that feat, it is likely that Russia will need to enlarge its air expeditionary wing in Syria with more advanced air-to-air combat fighters. Russia may well enhance its air-to-air fighter assets in an effort to close of Syrian airspace to Turkish fighter/bombers, which have repeatedly violated Syrian sovereign airspace in operations putatively directed against the Kurds, but likely directed against the Syrian Arab Army and other Syrian assets in the “undeclared” war on the Syrian Arab Republic. Another likely result is that Russia will formally recognize that reports of the presence of the S-400 SAM system is present in Syria, and that it will be employed in defense of Russian air operations over northern Syria. I would also anticipate that such surface to air missile coverage, perhaps the more mobile Sa-22 Pantsir SAM system, will be moved as far north in the Latakia province as possible to provide more timely protection to RuAF CAS operations. If so, we will undoubtedly read of Russian SAM operators “lighting up” Turkish and other NATO jets operating in the border region, locking onto those targets with firing solutions in case those SAMS are actually deployed to prevent another shootdown of a Russian plane or to take down the plane(s) that engage in such an attack in the future. Finally, other unconventional means of protecting airborne assets, such as electronic warfare operations conducted by the fleet, by airborne assets and/or ground based EW systems could well be used to shield and protect the bomber forces. The inherent risk of significant use of EW assets, however, would be that NATO could discover previously unknown Russian capabilities in that crucial domain and have a “head start” on developing EW countermeasures for the likely next phase of the AZ war on Russia. The key question is whether this unjustified attack on the RuAF plane operating in Syrian airspace will be the incident that causes Russia to provide additional support to its air operations in support of Syrian sovereign rights of self defense in the form of introduction of ground forces. Such ground forces could now justifiably be deployed directly along the Syrian-Turkish border, at a minimum against the Turkmen Brigade which just butchered two RuAF servicemen, but perhaps more expansively along larger swaths of the open border and thereby help close off not only the NATO-ISIS arms supply lines (the reporting of which cost Serena Shim her life) but also the Erdogan family’s illicit enterprise of shipping and selling ISIS oil supplies in western oil markets. Whatever the case, the gloves appear to be coming off, and those who back the terrorists in Syria, NATO member Turkey among them along with the AZ empire’s GCC allies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, are increasingly easy to discern. The question is whether Turkey’s “throwing down the gauntlet” and challenging Russia’s air operations will be the trigger event for more conflict, or perhaps the warning shot that makes all parties realize the heightened risks of global conflict that the neo-Ottoman Caliph Erdogan attack against the Russian Air Force just engendered. Respectfully submitted by JiminNH JiminNH is a USAF veteran who resides in NH. The motto “Live Free or Die” on the license plate should not be just a quaint historical relic of a once great constitutional republic http://thesaker.is/the-nato-destruct...an-servicemen/ __________________ Christianity and Feminism, the two deadliest poisons jews gave to the White Race Nothing gets serious until “Death to the jews” replaces “It’s ok to be White.”
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November 26th, 2015	#57
brutus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: naples Posts: 10,803	Has Turkey ever been on the right side of anything? . __________________ The ink of the learned is as precious as the blood of the martyr. For one drop of ink may make millions think.
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November 26th, 2015	#59
Jack Stanton Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 796	They were playing that clip constantly on RT as an example of the media bias. Way to show your hand Gretchen. There are a lot of angry people around that Syrian table, it's almost as if they had already carved up Syria in their minds and they just needed to dish out the portions. "A big slab of Golan for you Benny?" Then Putin comes in and kicks the table over and they all have to walk away with empty bellies. I think it's absolutely fantastic. __________________ We have it. We have it all.
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